Re: [WarOf1812] The Letter "J" in the alphabet
- In a message dated 4/06/01 2:06:38 PM, BritcomHMP@... writes:
<< In a message dated 6/4/2001 3:18:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
<< In the mid to late 18th century, the letter "J" was not used in the English
alphabet. The letter "I" was used for both "I" and "J.">>
Actually it is in Latin that there is no "J"; in English in anything like its
modern form "J" is most certainly used
<<Was the letter "J" in use by our period (ie: the early 19th Century)? >>
Absolutely. The earliest book in my collection is 1786, this has the usual
figure that looks like 'f' for a small 'S' but it has both 'i' and 'j'.
>>And don't forget that little ol' King James Bible book thingy...
(And I've never seen any of my ancestors listed as "Iennings"....)
THE Thin Red Line
- Hi everyone,
I own an butcher knife made in Shefield in the period 1800-1840 by John
Wilson Co. It is marked I WILSON. He made knives from the 3rd qtr of
the 18th Cen. well into the 20th Cen. I imagine that he did not want to
change his "brand" name which was known for high quality. Prior to 1800
Wilson marked his knives with a touch mark of a pepper corn and a
diamond. The name was added at the start of the 19th Cen. The
documentation for this came from the Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly.
I also have a 1763 set of Engineer manuals published in Britain which
uses j as we would today. Things were not as uniform as they are today
in usage and spelling.
- There is definitely _something_ odd about the way "i" & "j" were viewed in
the early 19C. My c.1806 edition of Johnson's dictionary considers 'i' and
'j' to be the same letter, alphabetizing 'jay' and 'jazel' before 'ibis'.
'Ibis' to 'idyl' are followed by 'jealous' to 'jezebel'. 'Jezebel' is
followed by 'if' and so on. I wonder if this is some academic affectation
that comes from the fact that there is no 'j' in Latin.
Your humble & obedient servant,
- In a message dated 6/5/2001 9:19:13 AM Central Daylight Time,
<< I wonder if this is some academic affectation
that comes from the fact that there is no 'j' in Latin. >>
I think you could well be right Angela, that is was considered the same
letter even though it is written differently and pronounced differently!
Of course this affectation does not affect the usage in everyday written
language one jot.
- Angela Gottfred wrote:
> I wonder if this is some academic affectationConsidering earlier efforts to impose Latin grammar on English, I suspect you are not far from the truth of the matter.
> that comes from the fact that there is no 'j' in Latin.
Green Bay Lacrosse-- Play hard; play often.
I am doing the film "Salem Witch Trials" right now, which occurred in 1692
and they definitely used the letter "J". one of the poor bastards hung was
From: Scott Jeznach <scottj@...>
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, June 04, 2001 2:55 PM
Subject: [WarOf1812] The Letter "J" in the alphabet
>Got a weird question for the group.square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
>In the mid to late 18th century, the letter "J" was not used in the English
>alphabet. The letter "I" was used for both "I" and "J."
>Was the letter "J" in use by our period (ie: the early 19th Century)?
>The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
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- Ah - it was Scott Jeznach, then. Kindly elucidate, Scott.
> -----Original Message-----<SNIP>?
> From: Scott Jeznach <scottj@c...>
> Subject: [WarOf1812] The Letter "J" in the alphabet
> >The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate ofhundreds of square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the
fate of THOUSANDS of square miles...