- From: chimera1@...
...there already is an existing widely accepted body of
safety rules/guidelines ...
......why not issue them as guidelines (not rules)
so the red light or stop sign is suggestive not mandatory?!?!
~ we all receive Safety rules from Ft. George, Ft. Erie,
Mississinewa, etc. and they are all the same a conglomerate
of NPS (USA) and Parks Canada sooooooooo
just enforce them............
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>From: chimera1@...Even then it's not always easy. I support the notion of an unbrella group,
>...there already is an existing widely accepted body of
>safety rules/guidelines ...
>......why not issue them as guidelines (not rules)
>so the red light or stop sign is suggestive not mandatory?!?!
>~ we all receive Safety rules from Ft. George, Ft. Erie,
>Mississinewa, etc. and they are all the same a conglomerate
>of NPS (USA) and Parks Canada sooooooooo
>just enforce them............
but sometimes they don't always succeed. Take for example my experience at
Fort Meigs last year for the August F&I event. A couple of umbrella groups
in play with overall COs set up. We received a (IMO) silly multiple page
set of safety and site rules which my little group actually read. I doubt
many others went through the lengthy text. I love it at Meigs and go at
least once a year, but we were actually laughing at the detail of some of
So, we go out for the first tactical, which is an unscripted skirmish
within the fort. Ebb and flow, lots of shooting, good time. Afterwards
our French group goes out to police the grounds of papers and I find
several whole cartridges in a little pile (Ranger droppings) that have been
sealed with wax. An act expressly forbidden by the safety regs. So I take
them to the unit CO that has adopted us for the weekend (just three made it
from my group) and he takes them to the French CO. And there seemingly it
died. Anyway we found more later in the weekend. So the point is, we
can't count on rules being enforced even at the top of the food chain if
they happen to think it's silly. I'm sure messers Abolt and Trumball do a
fine job with the US forces, and we've perhaps been spoiled by the
consistency and skill of Tim, Steve, Benton and probably others. (I don't
get east that much.) But what if they aren't there? I feel there needs to
be a mechanism in place.
Second example of relying too much on the reenactor command structure, same
event. Miegs has a wonderful pyrotechnics set up. Ground charges are
laid, COs are acquinted with the positions and the battle is to be fought.
But at the last minute the French CO decides to take it easy on us and not
march so far, so we go out a different gate than scheduled. For whatever
reason, the charges go off anyway and several of our people are now
sporting burn holes in their coats or flesh. Now I'm very much into the
"veteran" look so I wear my stains and burn holes with pride, but not all
are of that philosophy. Now, lest you think I'm being critical of Meigs
I'm not. I'm very appreciative of how they have treated us in the past and
will always return, plus I feel they handled the latter incident in a very
up front manner. I'll be back.
So in conclusion, even with extensive safety rules provided by the site,
unless there are some teeth to the organization and accountability you are
at the mercy of individuals to enforce (or not) as they see fit.
Michael Mathews -- Winona State University
Voice: (507) 285-7585 Cel: (507) 429-5945 Fax: (507) 280-5568
"I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
- Over the years I am sure three have been safety problems but any that I have
seen at an event have been dealt with at the time or if not big issues dealt
with at the next officer call.
I have little time or respect for people who wave the red flag and say
sometime in a galaxy far away something happened.
Most of the time the umbrella groups just play bigger politics for little
If you see a problem deal with it like an adult.
If you don't like what people wear try to help them in a manner you would
Sorry but do not see how we in this time period can chose any far oversight
group without doing more harm than good.
If you have a specific issue bring it up names, dates, and location would
But then to quote armchair 'useless cav.' So what would I know.
But then sometimes we have to make mistakes to learn and since I have made
my share perhaps I have a different perspective from people who don't make
So please lets move on and deal with any real problems like is it 20 or 22
stitches to the inch.