- Feb 22 8:34 AMPaul,
Sorry to have offended so deeply on this topic. That was not my intention
when I suggested people stop candy coating their answers. I just tire of
people never really taking sides on an issue and pussy footing around it
just to keep everyone else happy. Besides it makes a debate so very much
more interesting when there are clear cut sides being taken. Just look at
all the mail zipping around cyberspace now. Unfortunately, I do all my mail
from work and only get to see what has happened over the weekend after I
get back on Monday so some of my responses may seem a bit dated but I find
I must respond to your mail.
With regards to Lundy's Lane, Touche! I'll go no further on that topic as
it has been some time since I have read about it and have no source at hand
from which to quote and support my arguments. I did, however, read Donald
Graves first book on the subject - The Battle of Lundy's Lane - (I think
this is what it's called, but I read it several years ago.)
But to say that we have lost no friends or shed no blood over our flag and
that it was just handed to us by a mother country that could no longer be
bothered with us is, well, offensive. I will chalk it up to you miswording
your phrases due to being fired in the blood at some of my poorly worded
statements and to a misunderstanding of Canadian/British relations.
Jim's posting - Family Fights, Sunday - was most excellent. A national
pride instilling speech of the grandest proportion which I agree with most
completely. The Canadian government was granted basic home rule in 1867
with its own council and parliament under its own Prime Minister. We
maintained the British flag though as it best served our purpose at the
time. in 1967 Lester Pearson and the Canadian government decided in
celebration of Canada's 100 years as a nation we would search for a new
flag and the Maple Leaf was born. We were not handed a flag by a
disinterested British government and sent on our way to play on our own. We
earned it, in war and peace on the world stage and as a nation proud of its
British heritage (sorry to those of French liniage). Please, do not suggest
that our flag is little more than a bauble; a gift handed to us peace
loving, smiling, orphans of British disinterest. People have gone to war
As to whether or not people of the time considered themselves Canadian...
Not all people in Canada were displaced Americans, loyalists or french.
There were Scots here from the early 1700's on, the French had continually
occupied the area from the mid 1500's and the British had been settling the
area seriously from the mid 1700's. People born and bred here considered
themselves Canadian. They might refer to themselves as per their specific
language group but they were still Canadian. A french military manual from
around 1750 refers to the french marines as being officer by mostly
Canadians. People from an area did not refer to themselves as whatever the
occupying government of the day was but tended to name themselves after the
region in which they lived. England rules over almost all of the British
Isles but you would never hear a Scotsman, a Welshman, or an Northern
Irishman call himself British. England ruled over India but the Indian's
didn't refer to themselves as British. So goes it with the people born and
bred in Canada. Sure not all of them had the same agenda during the war.
Most saw it as an inconvenient disruption in trade with a neighbour who was
very much like themselves, spoke the same language and had the same
problems to deal with that a frontier life has to offer. But one thing is
for sure, they were Canadian and after the war was over fiercely proud of
I would also be careful about jokes regarding any future monarch and I know
that is what they are intended as but, there are a great many Royalists out
there that might take offence at such statements. Charles may have been
less than discrete about his affairs and was not a perfect husband but he
is certainly qualified in every other way. He's an accomplished artist
who's paintings are on display in several art galleries, he was highly
educated in the best British Universities, has served in a command capacity
in both the Navy and Airforce branch of the British military and completed
the very rigorous parachute course required by the Brit para regiments.
Along with his various charities and other sundries I would say he is a
very capable head of state... Guess you could say I'm a Royalist.
Hail King Geo...Charles???
Hope I haven't alienated one of my self-styled "supporters!"
Cpl. Sean Hirst
Royal Newfoundland Reg't, Lt. Coy
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