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36250Re: 1812 bombardment or battle - is there a difference?

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  • Colin
    Jun 8, 2008
      I love the responses!!The reason I posted in the first place!!

      I just want to add another comment as well

      .. I personally see the exchange of fire being a quailifier for "a
      battle". The Americans fired back, causing ships to draw back. The
      diversion up the Ferry Branch also had Americans firing at an enemy
      tactical move. If the Americans just sat their and took the
      hammering (which the fort did for 90% of the time)I would call that
      a siege or bombardment but they did fire back. Is that then a "re-
      Was then the 2nd Battle of St. Leonard's Creek a battle for the men
      who were on shore (as it has been established that artillery fire
      between ships is a battle, but not ships and a fort?)?

      Is "small arms" fire the qualifier?

      Colin Murphy
      USS CON 1812 MG

      PS Would this all be a part of "The Battle of Baltimore"
      Kinda like the air bombing on the French coast in the days previous
      to D-Day. Tose airmen could say they fought in that battle even
      though no small arms fire would be exchanged until a day or tow (or
      more) later....or am I just grasping at imaginary straws here?

      --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, BritcomHMP@... wrote:
      > In a message dated 6/8/2008 1:05:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
      > mimathews@... writes:
      > What's in a name? I don't have the answer or frankly find it
      > important.
      > -----------------------
      > Well Mike, that depends on weather words actually mean things or
      not. One
      > thing we can say for sure is that it wasn't a battle. One fights a
      > against an army, one lays siege to, or bombards a town city or
      fortress. The words
      > are important because they tell you what a thing is, at least they
      did 200
      > years ago so I think it is not unreasonable to go with the
      definitions used
      > back then.
      > Ah but here comes another wrinkle, which SIDE are you on and what
      is your
      > perception? The British may have decided that it was not to be an
      attack on
      > McHenry but only a diversionary bombardment but the defenders can
      hardly be
      > expected to see it the same way when rockets and shells are
      landing on them. So
      > while it is perfectly accurate for the British to say it was a
      diversion, it
      > also accurate for US accounts to call it a serious assault and
      take pride in
      > their survival.
      > Perception is everything after all the Battle of New Orleans was
      > while the war was still going on and it was NOT the last battle of
      the war! I
      > believe there are even people who think the US won, even though
      non of their
      > stated reasons for declaring war were acceded to and the US flag
      doesn't fly
      > over Canada!
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