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26927Re: Re: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37 Rebellion?"

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  • Peter Monahan
    Dec 5, 2005
      Vic

      Yes, the Lower Canadian rebellion was a horse of a different colour entirely - pitched battles, buildings cleared at bayonet point and artillery shelling chruches as I recall. I can see both why it would be re-enacted and why it still provokes a passionate response!
      Something else for our francophone brethern to remember to our discredit, I'm afraid.

      John

      In a nut shell, both Upper and Lower Canada had representative Assemblies,and British appointed Lt-Governors who in turn appointed the Councils (read "cabints") which made the real decisions. The Governors were not responsible to the assemblies - couldn't be replaced except at London's pleasure - and the Councils represented landed and wealthy interests, not the population at large. In LC (Quebec), of course made wprse by the fact that the Council were either English or "Anglo-loving" Frenchmen.

      The "rebels" were in fact making modest demands even by the standards of the time - "representative government" - and would likely have gotten it in another few years if they hadn't chosen to march instead of just editoralizing and speechifying. (My sympathy is with them, BTW, I'd have marched too!).

      Some of the rebels escaped to the US and raided back into Canada in the summer of'38, raising tensions between the 2 countries before they were suppressed. As it was, a number of the French were killed in battle, 12 were hanged and 60 transported to Australia where they were roughly used by the patriotic criminal classes of England. A number of the Upper Cdn rebels were tried and transported too.

      The grandson of W. L. Mackenzie, W.L.M. King, became Prime Minister of Canada in the 1920's & '30's and proudly displayed the wanted poster for his G.dad to the King of England when he visited! A small but key step in our march to nationhood.

      Peter


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      From: John Ogden <johnjogden@...>
      Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 06:23:54 EST
      To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37 Rebellion?"

      All-
      In yet another moment of American ignorance, what sparked this
      rebellion? I presume that this was part of a larger campaign about which we
      south of the 49th Parallel are not taught.

      Yours,
      John Ogden


      On 12/5/05, suthren@... <suthren@...> wrote:
      >
      > In 1987 a re-enactment of the 1837 Rebellion was staged at St. Denis,
      > where
      > a party of mixed francophone and anglophone Canadian rebels led by an
      > anglophone (Dr. Wolfred Nelson), and many veterans of the War of 1812,
      > defeated a British line regiment in a sharp fight and sent them retiring
      > in
      > some disorder (The Canadian rebels picked up and cared for the abandoned
      > Brit wounded after the battle. When the Brits returned some months later
      > they reclaimed the convalescing wounded and then burned out the farmers
      > who
      > had sheltered them). The re-enactment aroused so many latent passions that
      > a
      > fist fight broke out between some of the 'British' and 'rebel'
      > re-enactors.
      > A red coat is still not welcome in the Richelieu Valley, and with good
      > reason.
      >
      > Vic Suthren
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Peter Monahan" <petemonahan@...>
      > To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:31 PM
      > Subject: Re: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
      > Rebellion?"
      >
      >
      > > Gord
      > >
      > > For the open field part we'd have to go a leedle furder north - like
      > King
      > City! (Ironically, or perhaps not, "King City" - 40km/25miles n of C of
      > Kn.Universe - is mostly fields.)
      > >
      > > Ian - was the timing thing a reference to our election, or just the
      > weather? :7)
      > >
      > > P
      > > ============================================================
      > > From: "Gordon Deans" <gord.deans@...>
      > > Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 04:39:01 EST
      > > To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Subject: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
      > Rebellion?"
      > >
      > > Peter;
      > >
      > > What a great scenario. Imagine the entire line scattering across an
      > open
      > field shouting "Run away! Run away!". And think of the public crowd, all
      > better armed than the re-enactors, with some of them getting carried away
      > and "poppin' caps in the air" (or worse).
      > >
      > > The re-enactment would go down in history as the "Yonge Street Races".
      > Hoo-Aahhh! I love the smell of black powder in the morning.
      > >
      > > Isn't it great to be Canadian.
      > >
      > > Gord Deans, Royal Navy [1812-14]
      > > In winter quarters on the Upper Thames, Upper Canada
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: peter monahan
      > > To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:40 PM
      > > Subject: [WarOf1812] On This Day in Canadian Military History
      > > ...
      > > "Battle of Yonge Street. A group of "revolutionaries" are marching
      > down
      > Yonge Street in Toronto and are met by Loyalist volunteers who begin
      > firing
      > at them. When some of the rebels kneel to fire their weapons, the men at
      > the back believe they have been shot and flee in panic, prompting the
      > collapse of the entire rebel column. It is an auspicious beginning to
      > William Lyon Mackenzie's rebellion in Upper Canada."
      > > ...
      > > Peter Monahan
      > >
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      > > Peter Monahan
      > > petermonahan@...
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      The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of square miles...

      Unit Contact information for North America:
      ---------------------------------
      Crown Forces Unit Listing:
      http://1812crownforces.tripod.com

      American Forces Unit Listing
      http://usforces1812.tripod.com
      Yahoo! Groups Links





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