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26610Re: [WarOf1812] In the beginning . . .

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    Nov 1, 2005
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      The event I was trying to remember (tune out now folks if Napoleonics put you off) was May 18, 1811. A big procession with the Foot Guards decked out in their finest paraded assorted French trophies along a long route, ending with the "formal act of obeisance and humiliation of the vanquished" (General Regnault "Les Aigles Imperiales et le Drapeau Tricolore). The highlight was the Eagle taken at Barossa, though the others were much older. Five taken in the Antilles, a flag captured in Egypt, a fortress standard taken in Spain, a pennon of the 2nd Bttn. 5th Ligne, two flags w/o Eagles of the 2nd and 3rd Prussian (taken at Walcheren), and a color of a provisional regiment. Certainly could have been more ceremonies than this though. I don't recall in which year Mr. Cornwell set his event.

      In "Napoleon's War in Spain" by Henri Lachouque, Jean Tranie and J-C Carnigniani they assert that "in seven years of campaigning in Spain the French took 387 trophies, among which were 320 Spanish colours, 45 Portuguese colours and 22 British colours. The French army had lost only 11 Eagles, 8 of which had fallen to the British." p.125. There is no documentation of the numbers however. I can only think of a little over a half dozen British standards lost. Perhaps some were unofficial pennons or markers. The work otherwise is fairly balanced IMHO and numbers typically jive with other sources.


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      In a message dated 11/1/2005 5:12:27 PM Central Standard Time,
      ciefranche21e@...<mailto:ciefranche21e@...> writes:

      And we can't forget, however much we might try, the episode in I think
      "Sharpe's Regiment" where he "recreates" the mythical taking of the Eagle at
      Talavera to get the Prince of Wales to make them his own regiment, thereby saving
      them from being broken up. Ah Sharpie, e's a clever boy.

      On the serious side, I recall reading about a big ceremony called something
      like "The Presentation of the Eagles" in England in 1811 or 1812. But there
      was no mention in the bit I read about a reenactment.


      As you know Michael Mr. Cornwell usualy gets his best ideas from history
      books and the the 'Sharpe' thing is based on an actual 're-enactment' of the
      period but I can't remember wether at Hyde Park or Windsor. I do recall it was
      at the Prince Regent's instigation and I think most of the troops were
      volunteers. As I have just got back home I will be able to look this up shortly.



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