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17450Re: [WarOf1812] Re: How The US Army Divisions Are Numbered?

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  • Ray Hobbs
    Apr 7, 2003
      Now, if you think US Regimental histories and designations are
      complicated, just check this out:

      Fielding's Regiment of Invalids raised in 1719, became the 41st
      Regiment in 1751. On the 1760s it became a proper Line Regiment.
      During the War of 1812 two battalions were raised, but were shortlived
      as separate organizations, because they were combined at the end of
      1813 - with a surfeit of officers.
      In 1831 the regiment was named 'The Welch', but retained its number
      '41'. In 1881 there were three battalions of the Welsh Regiment, the
      second of which had once been the 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment of Foot
      raised in 1756, then renamed the 69th South Lincolnshire Regiment in
      1758. the third Battalion, Welsh Regiment of 1881 had once been the
      Royal Glamorgan Militia, raised in 1760, which had been renamed in 1812
      as the Royal Glamorgan Light Infantry.
      After 1887 there were four Volunteer Battalions of the Regiment, which
      had their origins in the 1st Pembroke Volunteer Rifles, and the 1st,
      2nd, 3rd Glamorgan Volunteer Rifles.
      By 1908 all of the Battalions of the Regiment had bee renamed and
      renumbered into the 1st and 2nd Battlions, the 3rd (Special Reserve)
      Battalion, the 4th, 5th and 6th Battalions (Territorial Forces) and the
      7th (Cyclist) Battalion (Territorial Forces). Of these the 4th
      Battalion, for example, had gone through several lives as variations of
      the 1st, 2nd, 3rd Pemrokeshire Volunteers, the 1st and 5th
      Carmarthenshire Volunteers, the 1st Haverfordswest Volunteers - all
      consolidated in 1880 into the 1st Pemrokeshire Vols.
      the 2nd Battalion of the Territorials went on to become a Battalion of
      the King's Shropshire Light Infantry in 1915 - similar to the 2/5th
      which went into the Cheshire Regiment in 1915.
      During WW1 the Regiment had 37 (!) battalions of varied strengths and
      duties, and there were other Regiments attached to the Welsh Regimental
      HQ, such as the Fishguard, Denbigh Volunteers, and the Glamorgan
      Yeomanry, which for a few months was called 'The Imperial Glamorgan
      Yeomanry'.
      Between the wars and after WW2 the regiment was reduced to two
      battalions, and in 1969 was combined with the South Wales Borderers,
      once known as the 24th Regiment of Foot then the 2nd Warwickshire
      Regiment before it became the SWB.
      In 1969 a new Regiment, the Royal Regiment of Wales (24th/41st) was
      established, and still exists.
      This is by no means the least complicated of the British Regimental
      Histories. I have left out much in the above summary.
      Of course, any battle honours of the preceding regiments were now
      transferred to the later ones. This why the Battle Honour "Waterloo"
      is credited to the RRW, even though neither the 24th, nor the 41st were
      at the battle. The 2nd 69th were, however present (The 1st 69th were
      in the Far East). The 2nd 24th had had fine service in the Peninsula,
      notably at Talavera, but had been sent home and were disbanded before
      Waterloo.

      So, the question "Who's your daddy?" is an extremely complicated one
      when it comes to British Regimental Histories.

      Ray Hobbs, Sgt
      CO 41st Regiment of Foot
      HQ Hamilton, Ontario

      The Canadas 1799-1815

      http://fortyfirst.tripod.com/index2.htm
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