<<Please read my original subject line, repeated early in my post. In my humble opinion. 
 
I do not understand in what way I have so outrageously offended.>>

 

From these two sentences Madelyn I can tell you did not read a single word I wrote. I never said you offended anyone and the fact that you're claiming the same proves that you either didn't read my replies or didn't comprehend them. If you need clarification on what I have said than by all means say so.

 

 

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Jang Chae-Ok: "I can't see your dream blocked by the heavy baggage of me."
Hwangbo Yoon: "A dream that sacrifices you is not a dream I wish to have." -MBC Damo

King Jung-Jong to Dae Jang-Geum:
"I love you, but I won't make you my concubine, because I don't want you to be involved in a power struggle. However, I really want you to be with me. I order you (to be with me) as your lord, and I beg you as a man. This is my way of love. "-MBC Dae Jang-Geum

From: Madelyn mailto:MadelynLang469@...
To: WangGuhn mailto:wangguhn@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 8:49 PM
Subject: RE: [WangGuhn] Treasures from Korea review (imho)

 

Please read my original subject line, repeated early in my post. In my humble opinion. 
 
I do not understand in what way I have so outrageously offended.
 
 I never use the words "I feel" when I mean "I think."
 
It was an opinion, folks, offered to what I thought was a friendly group of people who share a common interest with me. I expected friendly discussion. I have today been rather aggressively accused of several ugly things.
 
Please clarify the real rules for this forum, including the requirement for conformity of thought and the penalties for transgression.
 
I will no longer have any interest in this forum.
 
 

 

To: WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com
From: csh3prodigy@...
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 20:13:47 -0400
Subject: RE: [WangGuhn] Treasures from Korea review (imho)

 

Yes and you did not say "I feel this exhibition is not ....". You said "No sweeping.....". The subjective "I feel" is required for an expression of an opinion. Why are trying back-peddle on what you wrote? Again re-read your original post.
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Madelyn mailto:MadelynLang469@... wrote:

>Survey, sweeping, and full-scale are the terms used in the description and those are the ones I quoted. I did not attribute any terms to PMA that they did not use. Thank you.
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>Subject: Re: [WangGuhn] Treasures from Korea review (imho)
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>>Bruce read the PMA release again. There were no lavish descriptions given. There were "a variety of items" listed (scrolls, books, portraits, screens, etc) but no descriptive terms or languaged was used when discussing the artifacts at all. You cant say PMA encouraged her expectations when they had no idea what those expectations were.
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>>>PMA's rather lavish descriptions of the
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>>>On 4/7/2014 3:37 PM, Chrissandra Hamilton wrote:
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>>>> a man. This is my way of love. "-MBC Dae Jang-Geum
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>>>> *From:* Bruce Morgen mailto:editor@...
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>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WangGuhn] Treasures from Korea review (imho)
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>>>>> To: WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com mailto:WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com
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>>>>> From: csh3prodigy@... mailto:csh3prodigy@...
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>>>>> Subject: Re: [WangGuhn] Treasures from Korea review (imho)
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>>>>> No one is being misled and it's dishonest to say otherwise.
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>>>>> The exhibition is exactly as it says it is. If you *don't* *like* *the*
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>>>>> *pieces* *chosen* *to* *represent* *the* *survey*, *that* *is* *okay*
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>>>>> *but* *it's* *not* *right* *to* *claim**PMA* *misled* *anyone* *on*
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>>>>> I think some care is needed in expressing subjective personal
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>>>>> Jang Chae-Ok: "I can't see your dream blocked by the heavy baggage of
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>>>>> me."
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>>>>> Hwangbo Yoon: "A dream that sacrifices you is not a dream I wish to
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>>>>> have." -MBC Damo
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>>>>> "I love you, but I won't make you my concubine, because I don't want
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>>>>> you to be involved in a power struggle. However, I really want you to
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>>>>> be with me. I order you (to be with me) as your lord, and I beg you
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>>>>> as a man. This is my way of love. "-MBC Dae Jang-Geum
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>>>>> *From:* Bruce Morgen mailto:editor@... mailto:editor@...
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>>>>> *To:* WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com mailto:WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com
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>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WangGuhn] Treasures from Korea review (imho)
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>>>>> which I found informative and
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>>>>> On 4/6/2014 5:43 PM, Madelyn wrote:
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>>>>> Wonderful, but.. not as described, IMHO. Not a survey, not
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>>>>> Korean culture. There is no portrayal of the enormous cultural or
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