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  • Citizens of the World
    Chicago Tribune: Down With The Bosses And Pass Those Tulips There is a very interesting article recently published in the Chicago Tribune, which links the
    Message 1 of 21 , Aug 6, 2001
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      Chicago Tribune: Down With The Bosses And Pass Those Tulips

      There is a very interesting article recently published in the Chicago
      Tribune, which links the protests against globalisation with the accusation
      of anarchy, and includes a historical outline of anarchistic attitudes,
      which most members of this Forum would find interesting. In fact, the
      story of the flowershop workers is a piece all on its own. [And could be
      excerpted for the SS -- with permission.]

      I have stopped cross posting since I discovered that it is forbidden by the
      rules of this forum, despite others saying they did not approve of the
      rule's implementation. It is unfortunate since there was recently a local
      story about one of the first successful squats in North America (where the
      politicans were embarrassed into giving in) which I decided no to pass
      along for your pleasure. Pity for youse guys.

      Do I have permission to cross post this article from the Tribune?
      Personally, I think the policy of this Forum "sucks" -- when one is
      bombarded with repeat, repeat, repeat arguments from informed people like
      Len Wallace or Robin Cox, and idiotic contrarian postings of no value.

      Yours before the kitchen sinks and the Forum burbles, tgh
    • Shaun Le Conte
      With the cross posting rule, what I had in mind at the time was to prevent or reduce messages posted simultaneously to multiple forums, and in addition reduce
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        With the cross posting rule, what I had in mind at the time was to prevent
        or reduce messages posted simultaneously to multiple forums, and in addition
        reduce the size of messages (forwarded messages tend to be large, and the
        volume is easy to generate). I see that what you'd like to do, Citizen of
        the World, is forward an article with some relevance. Please, let's see it
        and it you can, delete some irrelevant parts.

        Thanks

        Shaun Le Conte


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Citizens of the World [mailto:iwi@...]
        Sent: August 6, 2001 12:02 PM
        To: WSM_Socialism_Forum@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [WSM Socialism Forum] Cross Posting

        ...

        Do I have permission to cross post this article from the Tribune?
        Personally, I think the policy of this Forum "sucks" -- when one is
        bombarded with repeat, repeat, repeat arguments from informed people like
        Len Wallace or Robin Cox, and idiotic contrarian postings of no value.


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      • Citizens of the World
        Citizen Len, Regarding your cross post: workplace reality and tragedy That was an excellent post on Bangladesh and the exploitation going on there. I do hope
        Message 3 of 21 , Aug 10, 2001
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          Citizen Len,

          Regarding your cross post: "workplace reality and tragedy"

          That was an excellent post on Bangladesh and the exploitation going on
          there. I do hope that as the other information you mention becomes
          available, they allow you to cross post it on the Forum.

          It is great that they are naming names of the factories into which the
          workers are locked. I hope that the organisation is able to find out which
          clothing labels these Bangladesh companies are producing for. I have a
          friend who works for a Canadian firm which purchases from several producers
          in that country, and the family-owned company here is sensitive to what is
          going on. In fact, they do surprise spot checks to see the actual
          conditions in the factories producing their products. I don't think they
          wish to have egg on their faces. Interestingly, he tells me, they have
          hired a Bangladeshi as their personal representative there at such a high
          salary that he cannot be bribed or corrupted (not worth his while).

          Apparently the garment workers in Bangladesh are the only workers in that
          country who do not receive May 1st as a paid holiday, and there is union
          action afoot to redress this situation. My friend hopes to persuade his
          company to break ranks next year and thus possibly force the other
          companies [his competitors] to follow suit.

          Just thought you might be interested in a bit of reformism on behalf of the
          workers.

          It is a pity the Forum does not put its house into order regarding cross
          posting, and have a special moderator to sift through cross postings so
          that we don't have to slip them in illegally, as you were reqired to do.

          Yours to incite world insight, tgh
        • Len Wallace
          ... Yes, I goofed on that one. What I should have done was to rewrite the posting in my own words. Len Wallace ... Email: lwallace@mnsi.net (519) 973-3981 The
          Message 4 of 21 , Aug 10, 2001
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            >It is a pity the Forum does not put its house into order regarding cross
            >posting, and have a special moderator to sift through cross postings so
            >that we don't have to slip them in illegally, as you were reqired to do.


            Yes, I goofed on that one. What I should have done was to rewrite the
            posting in my own words.


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          • Citizens of the World
            ... Why? It was perfectly well written and held much more relevant content than the contrarian postings to which we are subjected. Would not it be more
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              >>It is a pity the Forum does not put its house into order regarding cross
              >>posting, and have a special moderator to sift through cross postings so
              >>that we don't have to slip them in illegally, as you were reqired to do.
              >
              >
              >Yes, I goofed on that one. What I should have done was to rewrite the
              >posting in my own words.


              Why? It was perfectly well written and held much more relevant content
              than the contrarian postings to which we are subjected. Would not it be
              more sensible to change a rule that limits the inclusion of relevant
              material we wish to share with others on the Forum?

              Yours to encourage insight, tgh
            • Shaun Le Conte
              I ll repeat a post I made on Aug 8:With the cross posting rule, what I had in mind at the time was to prevent or reduce messages posted simultaneously to
              Message 6 of 21 , Aug 11, 2001
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                I'll repeat a post I made on Aug 8:

                "With the cross posting rule, what I had in mind at the time was to prevent
                or reduce messages posted simultaneously to multiple forums, and in addition
                reduce the size of messages (forwarded messages tend to be large, and the
                volume is easy to generate). I see that what you'd like to do, Citizen of
                the World, is forward an article with some relevance. Please, let's see it
                and it you can, delete some irrelevant parts."

                Thanks

                Shaun Le Conte

                -----Original Message-----
                From: Citizens of the World [mailto:iwi@...]
                Sent: August 11, 2001 8:34 AM
                To: WSM_Socialism_Forum@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [WSM Socialism Forum] Cross Posting


                >>It is a pity the Forum does not put its house into order regarding cross
                >>posting, and have a special moderator to sift through cross postings so
                >>that we don't have to slip them in illegally, as you were reqired to do.
                >
                >
                >Yes, I goofed on that one. What I should have done was to rewrite the
                >posting in my own words.


                Why? It was perfectly well written and held much more relevant content
                than the contrarian postings to which we are subjected. Would not it be
                more sensible to change a rule that limits the inclusion of relevant
                material we wish to share with others on the Forum?

                Yours to encourage insight, tgh



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              • Trevor Goodger-Hill
                To: organise@struggle.ws Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:55 PM Subject: [ORG] Re: Land of the free and the home of the sterile The Capitalist press today
                Message 7 of 21 , Jan 28, 2003
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                  To: organise@...
                  Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:55 PM
                  Subject: [ORG] Re: Land of the free and the home of the sterile

                  The Capitalist press today included a piece on U.S. military men depositing
                  their semen in sperm banks before going off to the Persian Gulf. This is so
                  they will still be able to have children after the war.
                  After the 1992 Gulf War, many soldiers returned from the war to discover
                  they were shooting blanks. The U.S. Military [e.g., tanks, helecopters]
                  uses dart-shaped armor-piercing shells made of depleted uranium [U238]
                  which still has some radioactive [U235] content. The same depleted uranium
                  is also a major component in the armor of the M1 tank. The M1A1 tank has
                  extra layers of this radioactive armor on the front of its turret and hull.
                  U.S. Army armor and cavalry soldiers spend a lot of time sitting on the
                  turrents of their tanks. They also do a lot of heavy lifting of ammo boxes.
                  For those who don't know, the U.S. M1 Tank, the German Leopard II Tank, and
                  the British Challenger Tank all originated off the same NATO drawing board
                  and have the same type of armor. Each Army made minor changes to the shape
                  of the turret, the gun system, and to the engine when they could not agree
                  on a single NATO design back in the 1970s and early 1980s.



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                • Hayduke
                  ... The problem is not that the tanks and ammunition are made from radioactive depleted uranium. The gross radiation from these sources is too low to create
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                    on 1/28/03 3:21 PM, Trevor Goodger-Hill at iwi@... wrote:

                    > The U.S. Military [e.g., tanks, helecopters]
                    > uses dart-shaped armor-piercing shells made of depleted uranium [U238]
                    > which still has some radioactive [U235] content. The same depleted uranium
                    > is also a major component in the armor of the M1 tank.

                    The problem is not that the tanks and ammunition are made from
                    radioactive depleted uranium. The gross radiation from these sources is too
                    low to create harm in humans thus exposed.

                    However, when depleted uranium is fired as bullet or missile, the force
                    of the round hitting the target vaporizes the depleted uranium, both in the
                    missile and in the target, causing it to be thrown about the area as an
                    aerosolized dust, and thus breathed in by soldiers and civilians. The DU
                    dust hangs around the battlefield, to be stirred up by wind or human
                    activity, thus getting into the lungs of more and more people. The tiny
                    particles make their way into the bloodstream, lodging in lungs and bone
                    marrow, where they cause leukemia and lung cancer.

                    It's a fine distinction but for one fact: the radiation in unused DU
                    exposes only the troops using it. Expended DU munitions and armor continue
                    to expose native civilians long after the troops have left.

                    Michael
                  • John Henry
                    ... One other fine distinction, my understanding is that the problems you point out are due to the chemical toxicity of the Uranium rather than the radioactive
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                      > It's a fine distinction but for one fact: the radiation in unused DU
                      >exposes only the troops using it. Expended DU munitions and armor continue
                      >to expose native civilians long after the troops have left.


                      One other fine distinction, my understanding is that the problems you point
                      out are due to the chemical toxicity of the Uranium rather than the
                      radioactive toxicity.

                      That's probably little consolation to the person contracting leukemia or
                      other disease, though.

                      Best,

                      John R Henry CPP

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                    • Lewis Higgins
                      ... I have never said use your discretion on cross posting, and I m sure Shaun before me never said it. Rule 7: DO NOT cross-post to this forum.
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                        > -----Original Message-----
                        > From: Trevor Goodger-Hill
                        > Sent: 07 April 2003 17:12
                        > To: WSM_Forum@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: [WSM_Forum] Cross Posting

                        > Apparently, it is now a moot point since the
                        > Moderator has requested no more cross posts before
                        > we wrote to ask what position the owners of the
                        > Forum take. Previously when we enquired before
                        > making a cross post the answer always came back to
                        > use our discretion.

                        I have never said use your discretion on cross
                        posting, and I'm sure Shaun before me never said it.
                        Rule 7: DO NOT cross-post to this forum.

                        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/files/Forum%20Rules

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                      • surplusvalue
                        Hi Lew Is this Rule 7. on cross-posting set in stone? Having put the occasional cross-posting on the forum I was under the impression that where the
                        Message 11 of 21 , Apr 8 12:39 AM
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                          Hi Lew

                          Is this Rule 7. on cross-posting set in stone? Having put the occasional
                          cross-posting on the forum I was under the impression that where the
                          information was relevant to the forum (as a whole) there was a certain
                          amount of flexibility on this issue? Correct me if I'm wrong, but
                          nevertheless hoping I'm not.

                          Yours For Positive Socialist Activity
                          Brian Johnson(non-WSM)

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Lewis Higgins <wsm_mod@...>
                          To: <WSM_Forum@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 8:14 PM
                          Subject: RE: [WSM_Forum] Cross Posting


                          > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > From: Trevor Goodger-Hill
                          > > Sent: 07 April 2003 17:12
                          > > To: WSM_Forum@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Subject: [WSM_Forum] Cross Posting
                          >
                          > > Apparently, it is now a moot point since the
                          > > Moderator has requested no more cross posts before
                          > > we wrote to ask what position the owners of the
                          > > Forum take. Previously when we enquired before
                          > > making a cross post the answer always came back to
                          > > use our discretion.
                          >
                          > I have never said use your discretion on cross
                          > posting, and I'm sure Shaun before me never said it.
                          > Rule 7: DO NOT cross-post to this forum.
                          >
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WSM_Forum/files/Forum%20Rules
                          >
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                          > Lew
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                        • Darren ONeil
                          Hi All, I think Lew does an excellent job as moderator in sometimes trying circumstances (i.e some of the posters on this list with their own agendas) but
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                            Hi All,

                            I think Lew does an excellent job as moderator in sometimes trying
                            circumstances (i.e some of the posters on this list with their own
                            agendas) but agree that perhaps there are occasions when cross-
                            postings should be allowed. What Trevor cross-posted to the list
                            seemed relevant to the sort of discussion that occurs on the Forum,
                            and is not as if he inundates the list with reams of reams of
                            postings a day. He posted it because he thought it would be of
                            interest to list members.

                            Regards,
                            Darren O'Neil (WSM)
                          • Lewis Higgins
                            ... There may be some confusion here. I think you (and Darren) are talking about forwarding, and while the rules say these should be resisted there will
                            Message 13 of 21 , Apr 8 9:24 AM
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                              > -----Original Message-----
                              > From: surplusvalue
                              > Sent: 08 April 2003 08:40
                              > To: WSM_Forum@yahoogroups.com
                              > Subject: Re: [WSM_Forum] Cross Posting

                              > Having put the occasional cross-posting on the forum
                              > I was under the impression that where the
                              > information was relevant to the forum (as a whole)
                              > there was a certain amount of flexibility on this
                              > issue? Correct me if I'm wrong, but nevertheless
                              > hoping I'm not.

                              There may be some confusion here. I think you (and
                              Darren) are talking about forwarding, and while the
                              rules say these should be "resisted" there will
                              clearly be instances where it will be relevant to
                              forward posts or news items from elsewhere (I've done
                              it myself).

                              But cross-posting is different: posting the same item
                              to a number of lists. It often results in confusion as
                              replies to replies from other lists end up on this
                              forum (e.g. the recent exchanges with the LA).
                              Cross-posting can divert attention away from this
                              forum and so members are asked not to do it.

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                            • Darren ONeil
                              ... Dear Lew, A fair point and I stand corrected. It can be a bit infuriating when you see the same post - with a ever so slight variation - on different
                              Message 14 of 21 , Apr 8 11:04 AM
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                                --- In WSM_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Lewis Higgins <wsm_mod@y...> wrote:
                                > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > From: surplusvalue
                                > > Sent: 08 April 2003 08:40
                                > > To: WSM_Forum@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Subject: Re: [WSM_Forum] Cross Posting
                                >
                                > > Having put the occasional cross-posting on the forum
                                > > I was under the impression that where the
                                > > information was relevant to the forum (as a whole)
                                > > there was a certain amount of flexibility on this
                                > > issue? Correct me if I'm wrong, but nevertheless
                                > > hoping I'm not.
                                >
                                > There may be some confusion here. I think you (and
                                > Darren) are talking about forwarding, and while the
                                > rules say these should be "resisted" there will
                                > clearly be instances where it will be relevant to
                                > forward posts or news items from elsewhere (I've done
                                > it myself).
                                >
                                > But cross-posting is different: posting the same item
                                > to a number of lists. It often results in confusion as
                                > replies to replies from other lists end up on this
                                > forum (e.g. the recent exchanges with the LA).
                                > Cross-posting can divert attention away from this
                                > forum and so members are asked not to do it.
                                >
                                > --
                                > Lew

                                Dear Lew,

                                A fair point and I stand corrected. It can be a bit infuriating when
                                you see the same post - with a ever so slight variation - on
                                different lists. Though I can't get too pious because I've probably
                                done the same myself.

                                Regards,
                                Darren O'Neil (WSM)
                              • Keith G. Powell
                                The cross posting was posted without any comment/views/pointers/prompts for discussion by the cross poster. Hence *my* original query. My view is cross posting
                                Message 15 of 21 , Apr 9 5:09 AM
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                                  The cross posting was posted without any comment/views/pointers/prompts for
                                  discussion by the cross poster.

                                  Hence *my* original query.

                                  My view is cross posting as such in this case should be discouraged.

                                  Keith G. Powell


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                                  From: "Darren ONeil" <gaitensdance@...>
                                  To: <WSM_Forum@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:20 PM
                                  Subject: [WSM_Forum] Re: Cross Posting


                                  > Hi All,
                                  >
                                  > I think Lew does an excellent job as moderator in sometimes trying
                                  > circumstances (i.e some of the posters on this list with their own
                                  > agendas) but agree that perhaps there are occasions when cross-
                                  > postings should be allowed. What Trevor cross-posted to the list
                                  > seemed relevant to the sort of discussion that occurs on the Forum,
                                  > and is not as if he inundates the list with reams of reams of
                                  > postings a day. He posted it because he thought it would be of
                                  > interest to list members.
                                  >
                                  > Regards,
                                  > Darren O'Neil (WSM)
                                  >
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