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  • Bob Howes (vegan)
    Dave, It seems to me you are doing what many of your ilk do, casting blame to cover up your own shortcomings. Your Marxist prognostications are not coming to
    Message 1 of 38 , May 10, 2012
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      Dave,

      It seems to me you are doing what many of your ilk do, casting blame to cover up your own shortcomings. Your Marxist prognostications are not coming to pass, and it is pretty obvious why, because Marx is dead and can no longer lead his followers using the latest data. You are followers of Marx. He is your leader even though you deprecate leaders. I, on the other hand, have no leader, I simply look at what I see around me and calculate what it might take to change it. You would be advised to do the same. Do not follow Marx but copy his process. Copy his logic.

      Cheers,

      Bob
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    • alan johnstone
      Dave, Engels somewhere also attributed Owens success to a residual Scottish Clan ideology of co-operative labour amongst the workforce ... Thanks for
      Message 38 of 38 , May 14, 2012
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        Dave,
        "Engels somewhere also attributed Owens success to a residual Scottish
        Clan ideology of co-operative labour amongst the workforce ..."

        Thanks for reference to Scotland and the clan system. You may find recent postings on the SPGB Glasgow/Edinburgh branch blog of interest. The latest is about the Crofters War of the 1880s.
        "Under the clan system of land tenure, the land within the area occupied
        by a clan, belonged to the clan as a whole collectively, romantically
        described by some such as John McLean as "celtic communism". The
        clan chief had no exclusive rights in the clan lands. He was given
        nominal control of the land for administration purposes, on behalf of
        the clan. The clan chief’s position was not hereditary but by the
        consent of the clan, and there was nothing to stop the clan from
        replacing their chief at any time, if necessary. The clan system was  a
        communal social system albeit organised on military lines. ....Gone forever was the sense of kinship and loyalty to a patriarchal
        leader. But an emotional attachment to territory – an attachment
        stemming ultimately back to the clan land of the ancient kin-based
        society of the Highlands – continues to be prevalent among crofters."
         http://socialist-courier.blogspot.com/2012/05/crofters-wars.html

        There is also reference to the current community buy-outs of landed estates in the Highlands by not-for-profit organisations, enabled by a right-to-purchase land reform act of the Scottish Parliament. Strange how the Thatcherites boasted of their council house ownership policies but  when feudal tenants got the right to buy they were up in arms about it!!


        Others blogs are about the Clearances and the destruction of the Commons in Scotland.
        http://socialist-courier.blogspot.com/2012/05/scottish-common-ownership.html
        http://socialist-courier.blogspot.com/2012/05/clearing-away-scots.html


        alan johnstone

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