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Re: [WSM_Forum] Re: co-ops

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  • Dave Chesham
    ... Wrong! Socialism will be a classless society. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    Message 1 of 47 , Apr 30 8:41 AM
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      On 30 April 2012 15:22, Sarda Karaniwan <karaniwans@...> wrote:
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      > Socialism is the Working class society, once we have a formal
      > recognition of this, it will be more easier to choose sides,
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      Wrong! Socialism will be a classless society.


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    • Bob Howes (vegan)
      I cannot not respond to this report. The Co-op co-op is a capitalist business that does what capitalist businesses do. I do not condone what capitalist
      Message 47 of 47 , Jun 25, 2012
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        I cannot not respond to this report. The Co-op co-op is a capitalist business that does what capitalist businesses do. I do not condone what capitalist businesses do. The flexi co-op model that I espouse is a completely different animal. It is (or will be with enough support) a revolutionary approach to how to change the minds of the majority and make socialism possible. Hearts and minds as they say. Anyone who has read what I have written (with an open mind) will know that. The present wait (over 100 years so far and counting) is largely because the thinkers will not endorse any means towards the ends they say they desire because they think it is not necessary to add anything to the mix, that it is fine and that socialism will take over when capitalism collapses, except that capitalism won't collapse of itself etc etc etc. Which just confuses all but those who want to believe it regardless of any evidence to the contrary.
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        Capitalist co-ops, bad. Revolutionary flexi co-ops, good. (In my opinion) (But opinion is pointless, we need proof. And the only way to find out the effects of flexi co-ops is to try them out and see if they help the situation or not).
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        I cannot do much on my own, and neither can you in the SPGB/WSM. So, as I keep saying, we should support one another. Should we not?

        Cheers,

        Bob
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        --- In WSM_Forum@yahoogroups.com, alan johnstone <alanjjohnstone@...> wrote:
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        > Co-operative Funeralcare, which organises more than 100,000 funerals a year from 900 funeral homes has begun an inquiry after staff were secretly filmed storing dead bodies like "stacking television sets" in a warehouse on an industrial estate off a busy motorway. While relatives believed their loved ones were at funeral homes,the bodies were being stored in a warehouse or "hub". The warehouse contained a garage with a fleet of limousines and hearses, storage for dozens of coffins, and a large refrigerated area â€" the mortuary â€" with rack upon rack of bodies, some of them uncovered. When families asked to see their loved ones, the body would be taken back to the funeral home, a journey of up to 30 miles. The documentary claims staff are under pressure to sell expensive funeral packages to mourners, to increase profits, which last year were £52 million .
        > http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/24/undertaker-investigation-undercover-filming
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        > Co-operative Funeralcare, which organises more than 100,000 funerals a year from 900 funeral homes has begun an inquiry after staff were secretly filmed storing dead bodies like "stacking television sets" in a warehouse on an industrial estate off a busy motorway. While relatives believed their loved ones were at funeral homes,the bodies were being stored in a warehouse or "hub". The warehouse contained a garage with a fleet of limousines and hearses, storage for dozens of coffins, and a large refrigerated area â€" the mortuary â€" with rack upon rack of bodies, some of them uncovered. When families asked to see their loved ones, the body would be taken back to the funeral home, a journey of up to 30 miles. The documentary claims staff are under pressure to sell expensive funeral packages to mourners, to increase profits, which last year were £52 million .
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        > http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/24/undertaker-investigation-undercover-filming
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        > For those who have affinity for co-ops this report must raise eye-brows
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        > No doubt we will be referred to "good" co-ops just as the apologists for capitalism always describe "good" capitalism and war mongers defend  "just" wars
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        > i won't be responding to any replies to this post because ad nauseum the SPGB has pointed out the inevitability of co-ops being co-opted in this way.
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        > alan johnstone
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