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  • Jim Walter
    Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He
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      Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


      "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
      First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

      1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

      They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

      The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

      They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

      Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
      http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


      2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

      As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


      3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

      Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

      However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

      When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

      I hope that answers most everything?

      Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

      Your thoughts?


      Thanks!
      Bob Buechler




      Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
      incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

      Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
      the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
      Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
      trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
      official site www.wm3.org.

      Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
      about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
      they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
      about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
      have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
      your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
      out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
      reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
      up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

      -Elizabeth

      On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
      >
      > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
      > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
      > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
      > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
      > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
      > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
      >
      > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
      > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
      > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
      > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
      > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
      > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
      > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
      > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
      > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
      > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
      > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
      > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
      > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
      >
      > DaveHoyt
      >
      > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
      > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
      > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
      > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
      > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
      > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
      >
      > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
      >
      > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
      > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
      >
      > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
      > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
      >
      > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
      > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
      > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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    • txtothebone
      Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the courts do not see a need
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        Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he
        said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the
        courts do not see a need to open the results. Henry thinks the
        results will be opened but not for another 6 months (as the WM3
        continue to needlessly sit in jail) after a massive amount of
        work/pressure by the lawyers. I have the interview in .mp3 format
        and, if there's interest, will post it to one of the Henry Rollins
        yahoo groups or maybe to Rollins-archive.com. I need to edit the file
        so that it contains just the interview but that may take a couple of
        days.

        --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
        >
        > First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to
        the best of my knowledge, here goes:
        >
        > 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the
        DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
        >
        > They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD
        evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and
        saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up
        being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone
        concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any
        conclusive results at all.
        >
        > The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber,
        clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and
        suspects' houses.
        >
        > They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three
        boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby
        proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite
        unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely
        possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.
        >
        > Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
        >
        http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#
        >
        >
        > 2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
        mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
        >
        > As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive
        and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards
        from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was
        living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.
        >
        >
        > 3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove
        anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
        evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
        >
        > Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly
        lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and
        organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will
        yield a new trial.
        >
        > However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like
        saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing
        was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at
        the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In
        other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer
        able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless
        instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential
        any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their
        ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something
        vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.
        >
        > When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the
        possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all
        things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that.
        Any number of things could delay another move in court.
        >
        > I hope that answers most everything?
        >
        > Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places
        require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to
        make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a
        success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving
        for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more
        valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally
        important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant
        capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely
        solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.
        >
        > Your thoughts?
        >
        >
        > Thanks!
        > Bob Buechler
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no
        idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
        > incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?
        >
        > Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't
        "damaged" by
        > the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some
        clothing, the
        > Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and
        some other
        > trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested
        on the
        > official site www.wm3.org.
        >
        > Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but
        what
        > about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and
        ask how
        > they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and
        charge
        > about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these
        reception rooms
        > have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted
        to show
        > your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm
        willing to help
        > out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf
        resort
        > reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you
        wanted to set
        > up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).
        >
        > -Elizabeth
        >
        > On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
        > >
        > > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and
        Paradise Lost
        > > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story
        of the West
        > > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies
        first because
        > > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth,
        keep up
        > > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the
        names.
        > > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
        > >
        > > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA
        came from.
        > > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this,
        whether it's
        > > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
        > > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by
        Mark. He is
        > > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three
        mesage
        > > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he
        is living.
        > > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have
        been nice if
        > > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these
        three while he
        > > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he
        was in
        > > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought
        up much.
        > > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal
        level, and
        > > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more
        opportunity for common
        > > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
        > >
        > > DaveHoyt
        > >
        > > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
        > > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
        > > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as
        quick as
        > > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
        > > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
        > > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
        > >
        > > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
        > >
        > > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
        > > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
        > >
        > > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
        > > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
        > >
        > > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
        > > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
        > > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
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      • David Hoyt
        I ve been meaning to post this for a couple months, but just keep forgetting. The new PL1 DVD has any amazing extra feature on it. It s about 30 min s or so
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          I've been meaning to post this for a couple months, but just keep forgetting.

          The new PL1 DVD has any amazing extra feature on it. It's about 30 min's or so of Damiens testimony. When they get to the point that the prosecutor is questioning Damien about the piece of paper they found in his jail cell and the defense objects and they have the sidebar outside the presence of the jury, the prejudicial way Judge Burnett talks to the defense counsel is palpable. It was amazing to watch. I've read about it a million times, but to see it left my jaw rubbing the floor for most of the night. When he says, "I wouldn't assign Ron Lax to investigate anything." Just incredible.

          If you don't have it yet, get it. It's worth the price just for this extra footage.




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        • Jim Walter
          That interview (Rollins on Bubba the Love Sponge), was my first glimpse of this case. That was last Thursday. I was on my way home from out of town, and I
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            That interview (Rollins on Bubba the Love Sponge), was my first glimpse of this case. That was last Thursday. I was on my way home from out of town, and I could not wait to get home and look up the web site. Once I did, I was just consumed by it. I can't stop thinking about it, I can't stop lookinf for information on it.

            Many of the smaller groups are pretty inactive. I joined several of them, but this was the only one that I had any replies on.

            txtothebone <unfcknblvbl@...> wrote:
            Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he
            said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the
            courts do not see a need to open the results. Henry thinks the
            results will be opened but not for another 6 months (as the WM3
            continue to needlessly sit in jail) after a massive amount of
            work/pressure by the lawyers. I have the interview in .mp3 format
            and, if there's interest, will post it to one of the Henry Rollins
            yahoo groups or maybe to Rollins-archive.com. I need to edit the file
            so that it contains just the interview but that may take a couple of
            days.

            --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
            >
            > First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to
            the best of my knowledge, here goes:
            >
            > 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the
            DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
            >
            > They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD
            evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and
            saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up
            being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone
            concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any
            conclusive results at all.
            >
            > The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber,
            clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and
            suspects' houses.
            >
            > They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three
            boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby
            proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite
            unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely
            possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.
            >
            > Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
            >
            http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#
            >
            >
            > 2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
            mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
            >
            > As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive
            and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards
            from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was
            living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.
            >
            >
            > 3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove
            anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
            evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
            >
            > Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly
            lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and
            organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will
            yield a new trial.
            >
            > However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like
            saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing
            was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at
            the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In
            other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer
            able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless
            instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential
            any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their
            ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something
            vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.
            >
            > When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the
            possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all
            things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that.
            Any number of things could delay another move in court.
            >
            > I hope that answers most everything?
            >
            > Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places
            require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to
            make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a
            success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving
            for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more
            valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally
            important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant
            capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely
            solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.
            >
            > Your thoughts?
            >
            >
            > Thanks!
            > Bob Buechler
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no
            idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
            > incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?
            >
            > Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't
            "damaged" by
            > the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some
            clothing, the
            > Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and
            some other
            > trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested
            on the
            > official site www.wm3.org.
            >
            > Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but
            what
            > about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and
            ask how
            > they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and
            charge
            > about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these
            reception rooms
            > have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted
            to show
            > your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm
            willing to help
            > out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf
            resort
            > reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you
            wanted to set
            > up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).
            >
            > -Elizabeth
            >
            > On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
            > >
            > > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and
            Paradise Lost
            > > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story
            of the West
            > > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies
            first because
            > > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth,
            keep up
            > > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the
            names.
            > > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
            > >
            > > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA
            came from.
            > > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this,
            whether it's
            > > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
            > > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by
            Mark. He is
            > > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three
            mesage
            > > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he
            is living.
            > > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have
            been nice if
            > > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these
            three while he
            > > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he
            was in
            > > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought
            up much.
            > > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal
            level, and
            > > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more
            opportunity for common
            > > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
            > >
            > > DaveHoyt
            > >
            > > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
            > > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
            > > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as
            quick as
            > > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
            > > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
            > > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
            > >
            > > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
            > >
            > > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
            > > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
            > >
            > > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
            > > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
            > >
            > > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
            > > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
            > > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
            > >
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            Well, at least you didn t go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley
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              Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

              Bob


              Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


              "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
              First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

              1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

              They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

              The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

              They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

              Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
              http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


              2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

              As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


              3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

              Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

              However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

              When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

              I hope that answers most everything?

              Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

              Your thoughts?


              Thanks!
              Bob Buechler




              Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
              incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

              Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
              the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
              Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
              trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
              official site www.wm3.org.

              Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
              about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
              they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
              about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
              have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
              your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
              out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
              reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
              up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

              -Elizabeth

              On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
              >
              > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
              > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
              > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
              > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
              > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
              > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
              >
              > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
              > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
              > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
              > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
              > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
              > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
              > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
              > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
              > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
              > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
              > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
              > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
              > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
              >
              > DaveHoyt
              >
              > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
              > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
              > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
              > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
              > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
              > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
              >
              > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
              >
              > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
              > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
              >
              > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
              > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
              >
              > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
              > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
              > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
              >
              >
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              Please forward the MP3 to me, and I ll most likely get it included on wm3.org as well. (I m their webmaster) Thanks, Bob txtothebone
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                Please forward the MP3 to me, and I'll most likely get it included on wm3.org as well. (I'm their webmaster)

                Thanks,
                Bob


                txtothebone <unfcknblvbl@...> wrote: Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he
                said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the
                courts do not see a need to open the results. Henry thinks the
                results will be opened but not for another 6 months (as the WM3
                continue to needlessly sit in jail) after a massive amount of
                work/pressure by the lawyers. I have the interview in .mp3 format
                and, if there's interest, will post it to one of the Henry Rollins
                yahoo groups or maybe to Rollins-archive.com. I need to edit the file
                so that it contains just the interview but that may take a couple of
                days.

                --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                >
                > First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to
                the best of my knowledge, here goes:
                >
                > 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the
                DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                >
                > They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD
                evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and
                saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up
                being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone
                concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any
                conclusive results at all.
                >
                > The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber,
                clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and
                suspects' houses.
                >
                > They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three
                boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby
                proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite
                unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely
                possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.
                >
                > Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                >
                http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#
                >
                >
                > 2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                >
                > As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive
                and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards
                from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was
                living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.
                >
                >
                > 3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove
                anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                >
                > Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly
                lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and
                organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will
                yield a new trial.
                >
                > However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like
                saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing
                was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at
                the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In
                other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer
                able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless
                instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential
                any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their
                ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something
                vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.
                >
                > When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the
                possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all
                things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that.
                Any number of things could delay another move in court.
                >
                > I hope that answers most everything?
                >
                > Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places
                require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to
                make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a
                success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving
                for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more
                valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally
                important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant
                capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely
                solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.
                >
                > Your thoughts?
                >
                >
                > Thanks!
                > Bob Buechler
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no
                idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                > incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?
                >
                > Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't
                "damaged" by
                > the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some
                clothing, the
                > Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and
                some other
                > trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested
                on the
                > official site www.wm3.org.
                >
                > Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but
                what
                > about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and
                ask how
                > they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and
                charge
                > about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these
                reception rooms
                > have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted
                to show
                > your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm
                willing to help
                > out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf
                resort
                > reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you
                wanted to set
                > up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).
                >
                > -Elizabeth
                >
                > On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                > >
                > > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and
                Paradise Lost
                > > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story
                of the West
                > > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies
                first because
                > > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth,
                keep up
                > > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the
                names.
                > > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                > >
                > > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA
                came from.
                > > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this,
                whether it's
                > > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                > > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by
                Mark. He is
                > > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three
                mesage
                > > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he
                is living.
                > > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have
                been nice if
                > > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these
                three while he
                > > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he
                was in
                > > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought
                up much.
                > > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal
                level, and
                > > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more
                opportunity for common
                > > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                > >
                > > DaveHoyt
                > >
                > > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                > > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                > > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as
                quick as
                > > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                > > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                > > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                > >
                > > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                > >
                > > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                > > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                > >
                > > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                > > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                > >
                > > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                > > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                > > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
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              • Bob B.
                Jim, Up until recently we haven t seen much activity here either. I m seriously happy to see such good discussion happening here finally. How many of you
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                  Jim,

                  Up until recently we haven't seen much activity here either. I'm seriously happy to see such good discussion happening here finally.

                  How many of you would be available to help out on the week of June 3rd for a benefit?

                  Thanks,
                  Bob


                  Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: That interview (Rollins on Bubba the Love Sponge), was my first glimpse of this case. That was last Thursday. I was on my way home from out of town, and I could not wait to get home and look up the web site. Once I did, I was just consumed by it. I can't stop thinking about it, I can't stop lookinf for information on it.

                  Many of the smaller groups are pretty inactive. I joined several of them, but this was the only one that I had any replies on.

                  txtothebone <unfcknblvbl@...> wrote:
                  Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he
                  said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the
                  courts do not see a need to open the results. Henry thinks the
                  results will be opened but not for another 6 months (as the WM3
                  continue to needlessly sit in jail) after a massive amount of
                  work/pressure by the lawyers. I have the interview in .mp3 format
                  and, if there's interest, will post it to one of the Henry Rollins
                  yahoo groups or maybe to Rollins-archive.com. I need to edit the file
                  so that it contains just the interview but that may take a couple of
                  days.

                  --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to
                  the best of my knowledge, here goes:
                  >
                  > 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the
                  DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                  >
                  > They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD
                  evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and
                  saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up
                  being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone
                  concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any
                  conclusive results at all.
                  >
                  > The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber,
                  clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and
                  suspects' houses.
                  >
                  > They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three
                  boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby
                  proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite
                  unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely
                  possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.
                  >
                  > Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                  >
                  http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#
                  >
                  >
                  > 2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                  mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                  >
                  > As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive
                  and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards
                  from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was
                  living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.
                  >
                  >
                  > 3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove
                  anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                  evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                  >
                  > Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly
                  lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and
                  organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will
                  yield a new trial.
                  >
                  > However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like
                  saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing
                  was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at
                  the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In
                  other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer
                  able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless
                  instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential
                  any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their
                  ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something
                  vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.
                  >
                  > When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the
                  possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all
                  things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that.
                  Any number of things could delay another move in court.
                  >
                  > I hope that answers most everything?
                  >
                  > Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places
                  require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to
                  make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a
                  success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving
                  for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more
                  valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally
                  important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant
                  capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely
                  solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.
                  >
                  > Your thoughts?
                  >
                  >
                  > Thanks!
                  > Bob Buechler
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no
                  idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                  > incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?
                  >
                  > Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't
                  "damaged" by
                  > the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some
                  clothing, the
                  > Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and
                  some other
                  > trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested
                  on the
                  > official site www.wm3.org.
                  >
                  > Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but
                  what
                  > about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and
                  ask how
                  > they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and
                  charge
                  > about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these
                  reception rooms
                  > have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted
                  to show
                  > your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm
                  willing to help
                  > out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf
                  resort
                  > reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you
                  wanted to set
                  > up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).
                  >
                  > -Elizabeth
                  >
                  > On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and
                  Paradise Lost
                  > > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story
                  of the West
                  > > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies
                  first because
                  > > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth,
                  keep up
                  > > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the
                  names.
                  > > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                  > >
                  > > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA
                  came from.
                  > > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this,
                  whether it's
                  > > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                  > > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by
                  Mark. He is
                  > > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three
                  mesage
                  > > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he
                  is living.
                  > > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have
                  been nice if
                  > > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these
                  three while he
                  > > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he
                  was in
                  > > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought
                  up much.
                  > > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal
                  level, and
                  > > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more
                  opportunity for common
                  > > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                  > >
                  > > DaveHoyt
                  > >
                  > > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                  > > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                  > > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as
                  quick as
                  > > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                  > > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                  > > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                  > >
                  > > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                  > >
                  > > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                  > > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                  > >
                  > > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                  > > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                  > >
                  > > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                  > > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                  > > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
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                  You know you can count on me. DaveHoyt Bob B. wrote: Jim, Up until recently we haven t seen much activity here either. I m seriously
                  Message 8 of 22 , Mar 1, 2006
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                    You know you can count on me.

                    DaveHoyt

                    "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                    Jim,

                    Up until recently we haven't seen much activity here either. I'm seriously happy to see such good discussion happening here finally.

                    How many of you would be available to help out on the week of June 3rd for a benefit?

                    Thanks,
                    Bob


                    Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: That interview (Rollins on Bubba the Love Sponge), was my first glimpse of this case. That was last Thursday. I was on my way home from out of town, and I could not wait to get home and look up the web site. Once I did, I was just consumed by it. I can't stop thinking about it, I can't stop lookinf for information on it.

                    Many of the smaller groups are pretty inactive. I joined several of them, but this was the only one that I had any replies on.

                    txtothebone <unfcknblvbl@...> wrote:
                    Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he
                    said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the
                    courts do not see a need to open the results. Henry thinks the
                    results will be opened but not for another 6 months (as the WM3
                    continue to needlessly sit in jail) after a massive amount of
                    work/pressure by the lawyers. I have the interview in .mp3 format
                    and, if there's interest, will post it to one of the Henry Rollins
                    yahoo groups or maybe to Rollins-archive.com. I need to edit the file
                    so that it contains just the interview but that may take a couple of
                    days.

                    --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to
                    the best of my knowledge, here goes:
                    >
                    > 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the
                    DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                    >
                    > They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD
                    evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and
                    saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up
                    being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone
                    concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any
                    conclusive results at all.
                    >
                    > The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber,
                    clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and
                    suspects' houses.
                    >
                    > They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three
                    boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby
                    proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite
                    unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely
                    possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.
                    >
                    > Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                    >
                    http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#
                    >
                    >
                    > 2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                    mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                    >
                    > As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive
                    and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards
                    from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was
                    living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.
                    >
                    >
                    > 3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove
                    anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                    evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                    >
                    > Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly
                    lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and
                    organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will
                    yield a new trial.
                    >
                    > However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like
                    saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing
                    was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at
                    the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In
                    other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer
                    able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless
                    instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential
                    any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their
                    ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something
                    vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.
                    >
                    > When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the
                    possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all
                    things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that.
                    Any number of things could delay another move in court.
                    >
                    > I hope that answers most everything?
                    >
                    > Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places
                    require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to
                    make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a
                    success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving
                    for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more
                    valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally
                    important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant
                    capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely
                    solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.
                    >
                    > Your thoughts?
                    >
                    >
                    > Thanks!
                    > Bob Buechler
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no
                    idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                    > incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?
                    >
                    > Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't
                    "damaged" by
                    > the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some
                    clothing, the
                    > Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and
                    some other
                    > trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested
                    on the
                    > official site www.wm3.org.
                    >
                    > Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but
                    what
                    > about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and
                    ask how
                    > they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and
                    charge
                    > about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these
                    reception rooms
                    > have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted
                    to show
                    > your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm
                    willing to help
                    > out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf
                    resort
                    > reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you
                    wanted to set
                    > up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).
                    >
                    > -Elizabeth
                    >
                    > On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and
                    Paradise Lost
                    > > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story
                    of the West
                    > > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies
                    first because
                    > > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth,
                    keep up
                    > > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the
                    names.
                    > > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                    > >
                    > > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA
                    came from.
                    > > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this,
                    whether it's
                    > > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                    > > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by
                    Mark. He is
                    > > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three
                    mesage
                    > > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he
                    is living.
                    > > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have
                    been nice if
                    > > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these
                    three while he
                    > > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he
                    was in
                    > > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought
                    up much.
                    > > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal
                    level, and
                    > > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more
                    opportunity for common
                    > > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                    > >
                    > > DaveHoyt
                    > >
                    > > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                    > > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                    > > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as
                    quick as
                    > > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                    > > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                    > > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                    > >
                    > > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                    > >
                    > > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                    > > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                    > >
                    > > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                    > > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                    > >
                    > > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                    > > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                    > > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
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                    I would actually love a copt of that mp3. It is a great little introductory primer to get people involved (worked for me anyway). I would love to help if I
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                      I would actually love a copt of that mp3. It is a great little introductory primer to get people involved (worked for me anyway).

                      I would love to help if I could, but I actually live in Indiana. Like I said, the other local groups I tried never responded.

                      "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                      Jim,

                      Up until recently we haven't seen much activity here either. I'm seriously happy to see such good discussion happening here finally.

                      How many of you would be available to help out on the week of June 3rd for a benefit?

                      Thanks,
                      Bob


                      Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: That interview (Rollins on Bubba the Love Sponge), was my first glimpse of this case. That was last Thursday. I was on my way home from out of town, and I could not wait to get home and look up the web site. Once I did, I was just consumed by it. I can't stop thinking about it, I can't stop lookinf for information on it.

                      Many of the smaller groups are pretty inactive. I joined several of them, but this was the only one that I had any replies on.

                      txtothebone <unfcknblvbl@...> wrote:
                      Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he
                      said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the
                      courts do not see a need to open the results. Henry thinks the
                      results will be opened but not for another 6 months (as the WM3
                      continue to needlessly sit in jail) after a massive amount of
                      work/pressure by the lawyers. I have the interview in .mp3 format
                      and, if there's interest, will post it to one of the Henry Rollins
                      yahoo groups or maybe to Rollins-archive.com. I need to edit the file
                      so that it contains just the interview but that may take a couple of
                      days.

                      --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to
                      the best of my knowledge, here goes:
                      >
                      > 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the
                      DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                      >
                      > They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD
                      evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and
                      saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up
                      being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone
                      concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any
                      conclusive results at all.
                      >
                      > The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber,
                      clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and
                      suspects' houses.
                      >
                      > They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three
                      boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby
                      proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite
                      unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely
                      possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.
                      >
                      > Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                      >
                      http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#
                      >
                      >
                      > 2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                      mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                      >
                      > As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive
                      and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards
                      from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was
                      living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.
                      >
                      >
                      > 3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove
                      anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                      evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                      >
                      > Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly
                      lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and
                      organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will
                      yield a new trial.
                      >
                      > However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like
                      saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing
                      was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at
                      the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In
                      other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer
                      able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless
                      instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential
                      any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their
                      ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something
                      vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.
                      >
                      > When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the
                      possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all
                      things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that.
                      Any number of things could delay another move in court.
                      >
                      > I hope that answers most everything?
                      >
                      > Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places
                      require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to
                      make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a
                      success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving
                      for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more
                      valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally
                      important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant
                      capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely
                      solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.
                      >
                      > Your thoughts?
                      >
                      >
                      > Thanks!
                      > Bob Buechler
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no
                      idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                      > incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?
                      >
                      > Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't
                      "damaged" by
                      > the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some
                      clothing, the
                      > Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and
                      some other
                      > trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested
                      on the
                      > official site www.wm3.org.
                      >
                      > Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but
                      what
                      > about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and
                      ask how
                      > they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and
                      charge
                      > about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these
                      reception rooms
                      > have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted
                      to show
                      > your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm
                      willing to help
                      > out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf
                      resort
                      > reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you
                      wanted to set
                      > up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).
                      >
                      > -Elizabeth
                      >
                      > On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and
                      Paradise Lost
                      > > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story
                      of the West
                      > > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies
                      first because
                      > > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth,
                      keep up
                      > > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the
                      names.
                      > > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                      > >
                      > > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA
                      came from.
                      > > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this,
                      whether it's
                      > > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                      > > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by
                      Mark. He is
                      > > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three
                      mesage
                      > > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he
                      is living.
                      > > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have
                      been nice if
                      > > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these
                      three while he
                      > > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he
                      was in
                      > > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought
                      up much.
                      > > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal
                      level, and
                      > > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more
                      opportunity for common
                      > > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                      > >
                      > > DaveHoyt
                      > >
                      > > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                      > > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                      > > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as
                      quick as
                      > > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                      > > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                      > > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                      > >
                      > > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                      > >
                      > > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                      > > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                      > >
                      > > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                      > > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                      > >
                      > > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                      > > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                      > > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
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                    • Bob B.
                      Jim, If you d like to help the team in your area, please contact Tammy the WM3 World Awareness Day coordinator at tammy@mcmsys.com for help hooking up with
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                        Jim,

                        If you'd like to help the team in your area, please contact Tammy the WM3 World Awareness Day coordinator at tammy@... for help hooking up with the right people in Indiana.

                        Regardless of where you live, I'm happy to have you on our list!

                        Thanks,
                        Bob


                        Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: I would actually love a copt of that mp3. It is a great little introductory primer to get people involved (worked for me anyway).

                        I would love to help if I could, but I actually live in Indiana. Like I said, the other local groups I tried never responded.

                        "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                        Jim,

                        Up until recently we haven't seen much activity here either. I'm seriously happy to see such good discussion happening here finally.

                        How many of you would be available to help out on the week of June 3rd for a benefit?

                        Thanks,
                        Bob


                        Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: That interview (Rollins on Bubba the Love Sponge), was my first glimpse of this case. That was last Thursday. I was on my way home from out of town, and I could not wait to get home and look up the web site. Once I did, I was just consumed by it. I can't stop thinking about it, I can't stop lookinf for information on it.

                        Many of the smaller groups are pretty inactive. I joined several of them, but this was the only one that I had any replies on.

                        txtothebone <unfcknblvbl@...> wrote:
                        Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he
                        said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the
                        courts do not see a need to open the results. Henry thinks the
                        results will be opened but not for another 6 months (as the WM3
                        continue to needlessly sit in jail) after a massive amount of
                        work/pressure by the lawyers. I have the interview in .mp3 format
                        and, if there's interest, will post it to one of the Henry Rollins
                        yahoo groups or maybe to Rollins-archive.com. I need to edit the file
                        so that it contains just the interview but that may take a couple of
                        days.

                        --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to
                        the best of my knowledge, here goes:
                        >
                        > 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the
                        DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                        >
                        > They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD
                        evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and
                        saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up
                        being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone
                        concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any
                        conclusive results at all.
                        >
                        > The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber,
                        clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and
                        suspects' houses.
                        >
                        > They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three
                        boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby
                        proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite
                        unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely
                        possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.
                        >
                        > Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                        >
                        http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#
                        >
                        >
                        > 2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                        mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                        >
                        > As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive
                        and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards
                        from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was
                        living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.
                        >
                        >
                        > 3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove
                        anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                        evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                        >
                        > Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly
                        lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and
                        organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will
                        yield a new trial.
                        >
                        > However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like
                        saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing
                        was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at
                        the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In
                        other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer
                        able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless
                        instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential
                        any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their
                        ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something
                        vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.
                        >
                        > When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the
                        possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all
                        things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that.
                        Any number of things could delay another move in court.
                        >
                        > I hope that answers most everything?
                        >
                        > Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places
                        require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to
                        make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a
                        success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving
                        for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more
                        valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally
                        important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant
                        capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely
                        solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.
                        >
                        > Your thoughts?
                        >
                        >
                        > Thanks!
                        > Bob Buechler
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no
                        idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                        > incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?
                        >
                        > Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't
                        "damaged" by
                        > the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some
                        clothing, the
                        > Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and
                        some other
                        > trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested
                        on the
                        > official site www.wm3.org.
                        >
                        > Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but
                        what
                        > about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and
                        ask how
                        > they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and
                        charge
                        > about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these
                        reception rooms
                        > have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted
                        to show
                        > your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm
                        willing to help
                        > out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf
                        resort
                        > reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you
                        wanted to set
                        > up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).
                        >
                        > -Elizabeth
                        >
                        > On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and
                        Paradise Lost
                        > > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story
                        of the West
                        > > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies
                        first because
                        > > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth,
                        keep up
                        > > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the
                        names.
                        > > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                        > >
                        > > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA
                        came from.
                        > > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this,
                        whether it's
                        > > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                        > > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by
                        Mark. He is
                        > > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three
                        mesage
                        > > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he
                        is living.
                        > > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have
                        been nice if
                        > > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these
                        three while he
                        > > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he
                        was in
                        > > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought
                        up much.
                        > > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal
                        level, and
                        > > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more
                        opportunity for common
                        > > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                        > >
                        > > DaveHoyt
                        > >
                        > > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                        > > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                        > > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as
                        quick as
                        > > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                        > > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                        > > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                        > >
                        > > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                        > >
                        > > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                        > > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                        > >
                        > > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                        > > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                        > >
                        > > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                        > > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                        > > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                        > >
                        > >
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                      • Jim Walter
                        I don t necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me.
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                          I don't necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me. Ironically, for me, it is Damien, Jason, and even Jessie who seem somewhat normal. I do think he "could be guilty", and should be investigated as such, although it may be too late for that. What could they possibly find out now by investigating him, other than the possible DNA evidence they already have.

                          My interest does not lie in finding Byers guilty (although that would be a fine possible outcome). While I would like them to find the kliier, it is the issue of the wrongly convicted that has sparked my interest.

                          In order to be perfectly fair, I am not even going to go as far as to say that Damien, Jason, and Jessie are innocent. But, I will say that they were in no way proven guilty. some of my friends have said "what if you are worng, and they are guilty?" I answered....then let them prove it. I would be satisfied with a fair trial, in a location such as Chicago, or NY, or LosAngeles, or for that matter even Little Rock. If this evidence exists that conclusively proves them guilty, it will stand up at a trial anywhere, and with any jury pool.

                          I think the 2 biggest things that contributed to their conviction are

                          1) a judge that did not carry out his duties
                          -Jessie's lack of miranda waiver and lack of parental or legal counsel during questioning is first and foremost, because without this nothing else matters because there whole case hinges on that.

                          2) A contaminated jury pool.
                          - There is no way the jurors could not have been contaminated by media reports, police reports, rumor, etc. Compunding this is the probable lack of legal knowledge to even be a juror. Were they trained on what to do, what to expect, what is allowable, what is not allowable, etc.

                          I also think the defense lawyers could have done more to bring attention to these facts during the trial. Even if it took a Johnny Cochran style media performance (after all, OJ is free).


                          "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                          Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                          Bob


                          Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                          "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                          First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                          1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                          They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                          The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                          They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                          Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                          http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                          2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                          As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                          3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                          Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                          However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                          When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                          I hope that answers most everything?

                          Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                          Your thoughts?


                          Thanks!
                          Bob Buechler




                          Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                          incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                          Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                          the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                          Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                          trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                          official site www.wm3.org.

                          Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                          about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                          they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                          about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                          have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                          your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                          out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                          reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                          up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                          -Elizabeth

                          On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                          > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                          > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                          > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                          > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                          > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                          >
                          > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                          > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                          > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                          > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                          > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                          > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                          > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                          > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                          > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                          > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                          > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                          > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                          > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                          >
                          > DaveHoyt
                          >
                          > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                          > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                          > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                          > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                          > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                          > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                          >
                          > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                          >
                          > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                          > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                          >
                          > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                          > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                          >
                          > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                          > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
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                          I edited the file - the interview is just over 30 minutes - and am working with Bob (and others) on getting it posted. ... introductory primer to get people
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                            I edited the file - the interview is just over 30 minutes - and am
                            working with Bob (and others) on getting it posted.

                            --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > I would actually love a copt of that mp3. It is a great little
                            introductory primer to get people involved (worked for me anyway).
                          • Melanie Faith
                            I agree with what you say. An automatic assumption of who is eithr guilty or innocent is what put the three in jail in the first place. Now the question is not
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                              I agree with what you say. An automatic assumption of who is eithr guilty or innocent is what put the three in jail in the first place.
                              Now the question is not entirely what HAS been done, but what can be done to help the current situation, and what can be done to prove that evidence was tampered with, jurys were not impartial, etc.

                              Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                              I don't necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me. Ironically, for me, it is Damien, Jason, and even Jessie who seem somewhat normal. I do think he "could be guilty", and should be investigated as such, although it may be too late for that. What could they possibly find out now by investigating him, other than the possible DNA evidence they already have.

                              My interest does not lie in finding Byers guilty (although that would be a fine possible outcome). While I would like them to find the kliier, it is the issue of the wrongly convicted that has sparked my interest.

                              In order to be perfectly fair, I am not even going to go as far as to say that Damien, Jason, and Jessie are innocent. But, I will say that they were in no way proven guilty. some of my friends have said "what if you are worng, and they are guilty?" I answered....then let them prove it. I would be satisfied with a fair trial, in a location such as Chicago, or NY, or LosAngeles, or for that matter even Little Rock. If this evidence exists that conclusively proves them guilty, it will stand up at a trial anywhere, and with any jury pool.

                              I think the 2 biggest things that contributed to their conviction are

                              1) a judge that did not carry out his duties
                              -Jessie's lack of miranda waiver and lack of parental or legal counsel during questioning is first and foremost, because without this nothing else matters because there whole case hinges on that.

                              2) A contaminated jury pool.
                              - There is no way the jurors could not have been contaminated by media reports, police reports, rumor, etc. Compunding this is the probable lack of legal knowledge to even be a juror. Were they trained on what to do, what to expect, what is allowable, what is not allowable, etc.

                              I also think the defense lawyers could have done more to bring attention to these facts during the trial. Even if it took a Johnny Cochran style media performance (after all, OJ is free).


                              "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                              Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                              Bob


                              Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                              "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                              First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                              1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                              They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                              The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                              They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                              Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                              http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                              2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                              As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                              3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                              Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                              However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                              When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                              I hope that answers most everything?

                              Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                              Your thoughts?


                              Thanks!
                              Bob Buechler




                              Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                              incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                              Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                              the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                              Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                              trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                              official site www.wm3.org.

                              Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                              about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                              they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                              about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                              have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                              your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                              out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                              reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                              up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                              -Elizabeth

                              On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                              > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                              > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                              > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                              > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                              > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                              >
                              > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                              > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                              > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                              > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                              > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                              > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                              > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                              > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                              > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                              > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                              > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                              > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                              > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                              >
                              > DaveHoyt
                              >
                              > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                              > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                              > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                              > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                              > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                              > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                              >
                              > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                              >
                              > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                              > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                              >
                              > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                              > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                              >
                              > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                              > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                              > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                              >
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                              I am sure all of this has been hashed and rehashed on here over the years, and I apologize for dredging it all up again. But, as you know, I am new to all of
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                                I am sure all of this has been hashed and rehashed on here over the years, and I apologize for dredging it all up again. But, as you know, I am new to all of this. So, all of these thoughts are going thru my head for the first time. Thanks for your patience everybody!!

                                Melanie Faith <tava_tara@...> wrote: I agree with what you say. An automatic assumption of who is eithr guilty or innocent is what put the three in jail in the first place.
                                Now the question is not entirely what HAS been done, but what can be done to help the current situation, and what can be done to prove that evidence was tampered with, jurys were not impartial, etc.

                                Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                I don't necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me. Ironically, for me, it is Damien, Jason, and even Jessie who seem somewhat normal. I do think he "could be guilty", and should be investigated as such, although it may be too late for that. What could they possibly find out now by investigating him, other than the possible DNA evidence they already have.

                                My interest does not lie in finding Byers guilty (although that would be a fine possible outcome). While I would like them to find the kliier, it is the issue of the wrongly convicted that has sparked my interest.

                                In order to be perfectly fair, I am not even going to go as far as to say that Damien, Jason, and Jessie are innocent. But, I will say that they were in no way proven guilty. some of my friends have said "what if you are worng, and they are guilty?" I answered....then let them prove it. I would be satisfied with a fair trial, in a location such as Chicago, or NY, or LosAngeles, or for that matter even Little Rock. If this evidence exists that conclusively proves them guilty, it will stand up at a trial anywhere, and with any jury pool.

                                I think the 2 biggest things that contributed to their conviction are

                                1) a judge that did not carry out his duties
                                -Jessie's lack of miranda waiver and lack of parental or legal counsel during questioning is first and foremost, because without this nothing else matters because there whole case hinges on that.

                                2) A contaminated jury pool.
                                - There is no way the jurors could not have been contaminated by media reports, police reports, rumor, etc. Compunding this is the probable lack of legal knowledge to even be a juror. Were they trained on what to do, what to expect, what is allowable, what is not allowable, etc.

                                I also think the defense lawyers could have done more to bring attention to these facts during the trial. Even if it took a Johnny Cochran style media performance (after all, OJ is free).


                                "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                                Bob


                                Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                                "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                                1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                                They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                                The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                                They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                                Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                                http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                                2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                                As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                                3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                                Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                                However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                                When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                                I hope that answers most everything?

                                Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                                Your thoughts?


                                Thanks!
                                Bob Buechler




                                Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                                incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                                Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                                the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                                Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                                trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                                official site www.wm3.org.

                                Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                                about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                                they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                                about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                                have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                                your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                                out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                                reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                                up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                                -Elizabeth

                                On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                                > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                                > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                                > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                                > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                                > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                                >
                                > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                                > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                                > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                                > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                                > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                                > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                                > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                                > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                                > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                                > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                                > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                                > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                                > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                                >
                                > DaveHoyt
                                >
                                > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                                > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                                > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                                > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                                > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                                >
                                > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                                >
                                > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                                > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                                >
                                > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                                > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                                >
                                > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
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                                  Jim,

                                  There is NO need to apologize. Some of this has been talked about, and some of it hasn't. It's a good thing to refresh people on this, even if they have already discussed it.

                                  Please continue to ask questions, even if they may sound silly or elementary, I assure you that they are all valuable.

                                  Thanks,
                                  Bob


                                  Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: I am sure all of this has been hashed and rehashed on here over the years, and I apologize for dredging it all up again. But, as you know, I am new to all of this. So, all of these thoughts are going thru my head for the first time. Thanks for your patience everybody!!

                                  Melanie Faith <tava_tara@...> wrote: I agree with what you say. An automatic assumption of who is eithr guilty or innocent is what put the three in jail in the first place.
                                  Now the question is not entirely what HAS been done, but what can be done to help the current situation, and what can be done to prove that evidence was tampered with, jurys were not impartial, etc.

                                  Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                  I don't necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me. Ironically, for me, it is Damien, Jason, and even Jessie who seem somewhat normal. I do think he "could be guilty", and should be investigated as such, although it may be too late for that. What could they possibly find out now by investigating him, other than the possible DNA evidence they already have.

                                  My interest does not lie in finding Byers guilty (although that would be a fine possible outcome). While I would like them to find the kliier, it is the issue of the wrongly convicted that has sparked my interest.

                                  In order to be perfectly fair, I am not even going to go as far as to say that Damien, Jason, and Jessie are innocent. But, I will say that they were in no way proven guilty. some of my friends have said "what if you are worng, and they are guilty?" I answered....then let them prove it. I would be satisfied with a fair trial, in a location such as Chicago, or NY, or LosAngeles, or for that matter even Little Rock. If this evidence exists that conclusively proves them guilty, it will stand up at a trial anywhere, and with any jury pool.

                                  I think the 2 biggest things that contributed to their conviction are

                                  1) a judge that did not carry out his duties
                                  -Jessie's lack of miranda waiver and lack of parental or legal counsel during questioning is first and foremost, because without this nothing else matters because there whole case hinges on that.

                                  2) A contaminated jury pool.
                                  - There is no way the jurors could not have been contaminated by media reports, police reports, rumor, etc. Compunding this is the probable lack of legal knowledge to even be a juror. Were they trained on what to do, what to expect, what is allowable, what is not allowable, etc.

                                  I also think the defense lawyers could have done more to bring attention to these facts during the trial. Even if it took a Johnny Cochran style media performance (after all, OJ is free).


                                  "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                  Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                                  Bob


                                  Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                                  "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                  First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                                  1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                                  They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                                  The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                                  They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                                  Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                                  http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                                  2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                                  As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                                  3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                                  Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                                  However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                                  When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                                  I hope that answers most everything?

                                  Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                                  Your thoughts?


                                  Thanks!
                                  Bob Buechler




                                  Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                                  incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                                  Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                                  the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                                  Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                                  trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                                  official site www.wm3.org.

                                  Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                                  about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                                  they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                                  about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                                  have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                                  your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                                  out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                                  reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                                  up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                                  -Elizabeth

                                  On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                                  > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                                  > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                                  > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                                  > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                                  > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                                  >
                                  > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                                  > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                                  > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                                  > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                                  > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                                  > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                                  > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                                  > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                                  > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                                  > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                                  > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                                  > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                                  > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                                  >
                                  > DaveHoyt
                                  >
                                  > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                  > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                                  > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                                  > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                                  > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                                  > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                                  >
                                  > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                                  >
                                  > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                                  > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                                  >
                                  > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                                  > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                                  >
                                  > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                                  > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                                  > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                                  >
                                  >
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                                • Jim Walter
                                  Yesterday, I signed up for the discussion group linked to the wm3.org web page. I think it is topica, or something like that. WOW, are they ever hateful.
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                                    Yesterday, I signed up for the discussion group linked to the wm3.org web page. I think it is topica, or something like that. WOW, are they ever hateful. There are many conversations on there that digress into pretty severe personal attacks on each other. I made some posts, and then read some more threads. All I have to say is I hope there is no way for anybody to find out my actual full real name, or email address.

                                    "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote: Jim,

                                    There is NO need to apologize. Some of this has been talked about, and some of it hasn't. It's a good thing to refresh people on this, even if they have already discussed it.

                                    Please continue to ask questions, even if they may sound silly or elementary, I assure you that they are all valuable.

                                    Thanks,
                                    Bob


                                    Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: I am sure all of this has been hashed and rehashed on here over the years, and I apologize for dredging it all up again. But, as you know, I am new to all of this. So, all of these thoughts are going thru my head for the first time. Thanks for your patience everybody!!

                                    Melanie Faith <tava_tara@...> wrote: I agree with what you say. An automatic assumption of who is eithr guilty or innocent is what put the three in jail in the first place.
                                    Now the question is not entirely what HAS been done, but what can be done to help the current situation, and what can be done to prove that evidence was tampered with, jurys were not impartial, etc.

                                    Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                    I don't necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me. Ironically, for me, it is Damien, Jason, and even Jessie who seem somewhat normal. I do think he "could be guilty", and should be investigated as such, although it may be too late for that. What could they possibly find out now by investigating him, other than the possible DNA evidence they already have.

                                    My interest does not lie in finding Byers guilty (although that would be a fine possible outcome). While I would like them to find the kliier, it is the issue of the wrongly convicted that has sparked my interest.

                                    In order to be perfectly fair, I am not even going to go as far as to say that Damien, Jason, and Jessie are innocent. But, I will say that they were in no way proven guilty. some of my friends have said "what if you are worng, and they are guilty?" I answered....then let them prove it. I would be satisfied with a fair trial, in a location such as Chicago, or NY, or LosAngeles, or for that matter even Little Rock. If this evidence exists that conclusively proves them guilty, it will stand up at a trial anywhere, and with any jury pool.

                                    I think the 2 biggest things that contributed to their conviction are

                                    1) a judge that did not carry out his duties
                                    -Jessie's lack of miranda waiver and lack of parental or legal counsel during questioning is first and foremost, because without this nothing else matters because there whole case hinges on that.

                                    2) A contaminated jury pool.
                                    - There is no way the jurors could not have been contaminated by media reports, police reports, rumor, etc. Compunding this is the probable lack of legal knowledge to even be a juror. Were they trained on what to do, what to expect, what is allowable, what is not allowable, etc.

                                    I also think the defense lawyers could have done more to bring attention to these facts during the trial. Even if it took a Johnny Cochran style media performance (after all, OJ is free).


                                    "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                    Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                                    Bob


                                    Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                                    "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                    First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                                    1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                                    They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                                    The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                                    They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                                    Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                                    http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                                    2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                                    As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                                    3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                                    Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                                    However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                                    When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                                    I hope that answers most everything?

                                    Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                                    Your thoughts?


                                    Thanks!
                                    Bob Buechler




                                    Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                                    incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                                    Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                                    the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                                    Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                                    trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                                    official site www.wm3.org.

                                    Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                                    about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                                    they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                                    about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                                    have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                                    your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                                    out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                                    reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                                    up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                                    -Elizabeth

                                    On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                                    > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                                    > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                                    > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                                    > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                                    > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                                    >
                                    > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                                    > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                                    > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                                    > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                                    > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                                    > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                                    > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                                    > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                                    > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                                    > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                                    > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                                    > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                                    > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
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                                    > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                    > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                                    > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                                    > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                                    > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                                    > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
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                                    > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
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                                    Topics like this have a way of insighting hate in people, no matter what side of the coin you re on. Jim Walter wrote: Yesterday, I
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                                      Topics like this have a way of insighting hate in people, no matter what side of the coin you're on.

                                      Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Yesterday, I signed up for the discussion group linked to the wm3.org web page. I think it is topica, or something like that. WOW, are they ever hateful. There are many conversations on there that digress into pretty severe personal attacks on each other. I made some posts, and then read some more threads. All I have to say is I hope there is no way for anybody to find out my actual full real name, or email address.

                                      "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote: Jim,

                                      There is NO need to apologize. Some of this has been talked about, and some of it hasn't. It's a good thing to refresh people on this, even if they have already discussed it.

                                      Please continue to ask questions, even if they may sound silly or elementary, I assure you that they are all valuable.

                                      Thanks,
                                      Bob


                                      Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: I am sure all of this has been hashed and rehashed on here over the years, and I apologize for dredging it all up again. But, as you know, I am new to all of this. So, all of these thoughts are going thru my head for the first time. Thanks for your patience everybody!!

                                      Melanie Faith <tava_tara@...> wrote: I agree with what you say. An automatic assumption of who is eithr guilty or innocent is what put the three in jail in the first place.
                                      Now the question is not entirely what HAS been done, but what can be done to help the current situation, and what can be done to prove that evidence was tampered with, jurys were not impartial, etc.

                                      Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                      I don't necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me. Ironically, for me, it is Damien, Jason, and even Jessie who seem somewhat normal. I do think he "could be guilty", and should be investigated as such, although it may be too late for that. What could they possibly find out now by investigating him, other than the possible DNA evidence they already have.

                                      My interest does not lie in finding Byers guilty (although that would be a fine possible outcome). While I would like them to find the kliier, it is the issue of the wrongly convicted that has sparked my interest.

                                      In order to be perfectly fair, I am not even going to go as far as to say that Damien, Jason, and Jessie are innocent. But, I will say that they were in no way proven guilty. some of my friends have said "what if you are worng, and they are guilty?" I answered....then let them prove it. I would be satisfied with a fair trial, in a location such as Chicago, or NY, or LosAngeles, or for that matter even Little Rock. If this evidence exists that conclusively proves them guilty, it will stand up at a trial anywhere, and with any jury pool.

                                      I think the 2 biggest things that contributed to their conviction are

                                      1) a judge that did not carry out his duties
                                      -Jessie's lack of miranda waiver and lack of parental or legal counsel during questioning is first and foremost, because without this nothing else matters because there whole case hinges on that.

                                      2) A contaminated jury pool.
                                      - There is no way the jurors could not have been contaminated by media reports, police reports, rumor, etc. Compunding this is the probable lack of legal knowledge to even be a juror. Were they trained on what to do, what to expect, what is allowable, what is not allowable, etc.

                                      I also think the defense lawyers could have done more to bring attention to these facts during the trial. Even if it took a Johnny Cochran style media performance (after all, OJ is free).


                                      "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                      Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                                      Bob


                                      Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                                      "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                      First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                                      1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                                      They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                                      The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                                      They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                                      Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                                      http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                                      2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                                      As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                                      3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                                      Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                                      However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                                      When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                                      I hope that answers most everything?

                                      Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                                      Your thoughts?


                                      Thanks!
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                                      Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                                      incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                                      Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                                      the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                                      Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                                      trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                                      official site www.wm3.org.

                                      Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                                      about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                                      they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                                      about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                                      have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                                      your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                                      out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                                      reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                                      up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                                      -Elizabeth

                                      On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                                      > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                                      > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                                      > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                                      > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                                      > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                                      >
                                      > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                                      > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                                      > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                                      > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                                      > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                                      > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                                      > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                                      > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                                      > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                                      > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                                      > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                                      > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                                      > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                                      >
                                      > DaveHoyt
                                      >
                                      > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                      > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                                      > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                                      > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                                      > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                                      > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                                      >
                                      > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                                      >
                                      > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                                      > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                                      >
                                      > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                                      > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                                      >
                                      > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
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                                      Additionally, there are people on that list that believe, wholeheartedly and steadfastly, that the guys are guilty. Now, most of us know that it IS possible
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                                        Additionally, there are people on that list that believe, wholeheartedly and steadfastly, that the guys are guilty. Now, most of us know that it IS possible to disagree and still be civil and hold a calm conversation... however, sadly, the types of people who are not even willing to consider the possibility that the guys are innocent tend to be pretty short-sighted and short-tempered.

                                        That's not to say that supporters are not to blame as well, most of these guys have been defending the WM3 for so long, against all manner of non-supporters that they get very tired of them, very quickly... often retorting in a way that is not conducive to civil discourse.

                                        I tend to skim digests of that list, and very rarely ever get directly involved in any of the conversations.

                                        Bob


                                        Melanie Faith <tava_tara@...> wrote: Topics like this have a way of insighting hate in people, no matter what side of the coin you're on.

                                        Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Yesterday, I signed up for the discussion group linked to the wm3.org web page. I think it is topica, or something like that. WOW, are they ever hateful. There are many conversations on there that digress into pretty severe personal attacks on each other. I made some posts, and then read some more threads. All I have to say is I hope there is no way for anybody to find out my actual full real name, or email address.

                                        "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote: Jim,

                                        There is NO need to apologize. Some of this has been talked about, and some of it hasn't. It's a good thing to refresh people on this, even if they have already discussed it.

                                        Please continue to ask questions, even if they may sound silly or elementary, I assure you that they are all valuable.

                                        Thanks,
                                        Bob


                                        Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: I am sure all of this has been hashed and rehashed on here over the years, and I apologize for dredging it all up again. But, as you know, I am new to all of this. So, all of these thoughts are going thru my head for the first time. Thanks for your patience everybody!!

                                        Melanie Faith <tava_tara@...> wrote: I agree with what you say. An automatic assumption of who is eithr guilty or innocent is what put the three in jail in the first place.
                                        Now the question is not entirely what HAS been done, but what can be done to help the current situation, and what can be done to prove that evidence was tampered with, jurys were not impartial, etc.

                                        Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                        I don't necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me. Ironically, for me, it is Damien, Jason, and even Jessie who seem somewhat normal. I do think he "could be guilty", and should be investigated as such, although it may be too late for that. What could they possibly find out now by investigating him, other than the possible DNA evidence they already have.

                                        My interest does not lie in finding Byers guilty (although that would be a fine possible outcome). While I would like them to find the kliier, it is the issue of the wrongly convicted that has sparked my interest.

                                        In order to be perfectly fair, I am not even going to go as far as to say that Damien, Jason, and Jessie are innocent. But, I will say that they were in no way proven guilty. some of my friends have said "what if you are worng, and they are guilty?" I answered....then let them prove it. I would be satisfied with a fair trial, in a location such as Chicago, or NY, or LosAngeles, or for that matter even Little Rock. If this evidence exists that conclusively proves them guilty, it will stand up at a trial anywhere, and with any jury pool.

                                        I think the 2 biggest things that contributed to their conviction are

                                        1) a judge that did not carry out his duties
                                        -Jessie's lack of miranda waiver and lack of parental or legal counsel during questioning is first and foremost, because without this nothing else matters because there whole case hinges on that.

                                        2) A contaminated jury pool.
                                        - There is no way the jurors could not have been contaminated by media reports, police reports, rumor, etc. Compunding this is the probable lack of legal knowledge to even be a juror. Were they trained on what to do, what to expect, what is allowable, what is not allowable, etc.

                                        I also think the defense lawyers could have done more to bring attention to these facts during the trial. Even if it took a Johnny Cochran style media performance (after all, OJ is free).


                                        "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                        Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                                        Bob


                                        Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                                        "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                        First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                                        1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                                        They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                                        The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                                        They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                                        Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                                        http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                                        2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                                        As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                                        3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                                        Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                                        However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                                        When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                                        I hope that answers most everything?

                                        Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                                        Your thoughts?


                                        Thanks!
                                        Bob Buechler




                                        Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                                        incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                                        Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                                        the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                                        Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                                        trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                                        official site www.wm3.org.

                                        Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                                        about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                                        they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                                        about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                                        have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                                        your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                                        out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                                        reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                                        up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                                        -Elizabeth

                                        On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                                        > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                                        > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                                        > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                                        > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                                        > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                                        >
                                        > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                                        > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                                        > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                                        > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                                        > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                                        > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                                        > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                                        > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                                        > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                                        > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                                        > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                                        > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                                        > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                                        >
                                        > DaveHoyt
                                        >
                                        > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                        > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                                        > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                                        > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                                        > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                                        > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                                        >
                                        > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                                        >
                                        > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                                        > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                                        >
                                        > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                                        > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                                        >
                                        > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                                        > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                                        > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
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