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  • Kim and Jim
    Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as I can. I just heard
    Message 1 of 22 , Feb 28, 2006
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      Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
      new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
      I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
      radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
      Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.

      A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:

      1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
      come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

      2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
      mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

      3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
      conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
      evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
    • David Hoyt
      My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil s Knot-The true story of the West Memphis
      Message 2 of 22 , Feb 28, 2006
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        My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
        I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.

        As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from. We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
        Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
        Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
        I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common sense to prevail, let's hope so.

        DaveHoyt

        Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
        Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
        new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
        I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
        radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
        Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.

        A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:

        1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
        come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

        2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
        mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

        3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
        conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
        evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.






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      • Elizabeth Kyllingstad
        Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That s almost too incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say? Isn t the DNA testing
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          Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
          incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

          Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
          the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
          Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
          trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
          official site www.wm3.org.

          Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
          about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
          they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
          about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
          have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
          your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
          out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
          reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
          up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

          -Elizabeth

          On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
          >
          > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
          > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
          > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
          > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
          > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
          > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
          >
          > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
          > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
          > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
          > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
          > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
          > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
          > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
          > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
          > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
          > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
          > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
          > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
          > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
          >
          > DaveHoyt
          >
          > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
          > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
          > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
          > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
          > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
          > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
          >
          > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
          >
          > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
          > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
          >
          > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
          > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
          >
          > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
          > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
          > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
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          >
          >
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        • Bob B.
          First, excellent questions. I ll be happy to fill in the blanks to the best of my knowledge, here goes: 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining?
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            First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

            1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

            They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

            The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

            They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

            Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
            http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


            2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

            As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


            3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

            Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

            However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

            When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

            I hope that answers most everything?

            Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

            Your thoughts?


            Thanks!
            Bob Buechler




            Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
            incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

            Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
            the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
            Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
            trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
            official site www.wm3.org.

            Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
            about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
            they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
            about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
            have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
            your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
            out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
            reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
            up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

            -Elizabeth

            On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
            >
            > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
            > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
            > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
            > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
            > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
            > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
            >
            > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
            > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
            > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
            > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
            > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
            > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
            > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
            > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
            > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
            > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
            > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
            > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
            > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
            >
            > DaveHoyt
            >
            > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
            > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
            > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
            > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
            > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
            > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
            >
            > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
            >
            > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
            > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
            >
            > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
            > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
            >
            > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
            > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
            > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
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          • Jim Walter
            Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He
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              Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


              "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
              First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

              1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

              They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

              The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

              They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

              Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
              http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


              2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

              As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


              3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

              Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

              However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

              When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

              I hope that answers most everything?

              Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

              Your thoughts?


              Thanks!
              Bob Buechler




              Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
              incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

              Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
              the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
              Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
              trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
              official site www.wm3.org.

              Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
              about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
              they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
              about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
              have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
              your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
              out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
              reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
              up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

              -Elizabeth

              On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
              >
              > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
              > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
              > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
              > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
              > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
              > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
              >
              > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
              > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
              > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
              > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
              > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
              > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
              > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
              > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
              > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
              > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
              > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
              > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
              > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
              >
              > DaveHoyt
              >
              > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
              > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
              > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
              > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
              > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
              > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
              >
              > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
              >
              > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
              > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
              >
              > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
              > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
              >
              > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
              > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
              > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Yahoo! Groups Links
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
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            • txtothebone
              Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the courts do not see a need
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                Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he
                said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the
                courts do not see a need to open the results. Henry thinks the
                results will be opened but not for another 6 months (as the WM3
                continue to needlessly sit in jail) after a massive amount of
                work/pressure by the lawyers. I have the interview in .mp3 format
                and, if there's interest, will post it to one of the Henry Rollins
                yahoo groups or maybe to Rollins-archive.com. I need to edit the file
                so that it contains just the interview but that may take a couple of
                days.

                --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                >
                > First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to
                the best of my knowledge, here goes:
                >
                > 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the
                DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                >
                > They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD
                evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and
                saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up
                being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone
                concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any
                conclusive results at all.
                >
                > The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber,
                clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and
                suspects' houses.
                >
                > They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three
                boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby
                proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite
                unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely
                possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.
                >
                > Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                >
                http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#
                >
                >
                > 2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                >
                > As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive
                and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards
                from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was
                living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.
                >
                >
                > 3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove
                anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                >
                > Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly
                lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and
                organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will
                yield a new trial.
                >
                > However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like
                saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing
                was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at
                the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In
                other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer
                able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless
                instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential
                any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their
                ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something
                vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.
                >
                > When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the
                possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all
                things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that.
                Any number of things could delay another move in court.
                >
                > I hope that answers most everything?
                >
                > Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places
                require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to
                make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a
                success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving
                for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more
                valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally
                important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant
                capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely
                solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.
                >
                > Your thoughts?
                >
                >
                > Thanks!
                > Bob Buechler
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no
                idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                > incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?
                >
                > Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't
                "damaged" by
                > the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some
                clothing, the
                > Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and
                some other
                > trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested
                on the
                > official site www.wm3.org.
                >
                > Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but
                what
                > about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and
                ask how
                > they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and
                charge
                > about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these
                reception rooms
                > have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted
                to show
                > your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm
                willing to help
                > out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf
                resort
                > reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you
                wanted to set
                > up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).
                >
                > -Elizabeth
                >
                > On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                > >
                > > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and
                Paradise Lost
                > > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story
                of the West
                > > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies
                first because
                > > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth,
                keep up
                > > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the
                names.
                > > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                > >
                > > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA
                came from.
                > > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this,
                whether it's
                > > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                > > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by
                Mark. He is
                > > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three
                mesage
                > > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he
                is living.
                > > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have
                been nice if
                > > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these
                three while he
                > > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he
                was in
                > > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought
                up much.
                > > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal
                level, and
                > > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more
                opportunity for common
                > > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                > >
                > > DaveHoyt
                > >
                > > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                > > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                > > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as
                quick as
                > > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                > > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                > > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                > >
                > > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                > >
                > > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                > > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                > >
                > > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                > > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                > >
                > > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                > > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                > > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                > >
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              • David Hoyt
                I ve been meaning to post this for a couple months, but just keep forgetting. The new PL1 DVD has any amazing extra feature on it. It s about 30 min s or so
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                  I've been meaning to post this for a couple months, but just keep forgetting.

                  The new PL1 DVD has any amazing extra feature on it. It's about 30 min's or so of Damiens testimony. When they get to the point that the prosecutor is questioning Damien about the piece of paper they found in his jail cell and the defense objects and they have the sidebar outside the presence of the jury, the prejudicial way Judge Burnett talks to the defense counsel is palpable. It was amazing to watch. I've read about it a million times, but to see it left my jaw rubbing the floor for most of the night. When he says, "I wouldn't assign Ron Lax to investigate anything." Just incredible.

                  If you don't have it yet, get it. It's worth the price just for this extra footage.




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                • Jim Walter
                  That interview (Rollins on Bubba the Love Sponge), was my first glimpse of this case. That was last Thursday. I was on my way home from out of town, and I
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                    That interview (Rollins on Bubba the Love Sponge), was my first glimpse of this case. That was last Thursday. I was on my way home from out of town, and I could not wait to get home and look up the web site. Once I did, I was just consumed by it. I can't stop thinking about it, I can't stop lookinf for information on it.

                    Many of the smaller groups are pretty inactive. I joined several of them, but this was the only one that I had any replies on.

                    txtothebone <unfcknblvbl@...> wrote:
                    Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he
                    said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the
                    courts do not see a need to open the results. Henry thinks the
                    results will be opened but not for another 6 months (as the WM3
                    continue to needlessly sit in jail) after a massive amount of
                    work/pressure by the lawyers. I have the interview in .mp3 format
                    and, if there's interest, will post it to one of the Henry Rollins
                    yahoo groups or maybe to Rollins-archive.com. I need to edit the file
                    so that it contains just the interview but that may take a couple of
                    days.

                    --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to
                    the best of my knowledge, here goes:
                    >
                    > 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the
                    DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                    >
                    > They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD
                    evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and
                    saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up
                    being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone
                    concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any
                    conclusive results at all.
                    >
                    > The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber,
                    clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and
                    suspects' houses.
                    >
                    > They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three
                    boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby
                    proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite
                    unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely
                    possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.
                    >
                    > Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                    >
                    http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#
                    >
                    >
                    > 2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                    mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                    >
                    > As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive
                    and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards
                    from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was
                    living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.
                    >
                    >
                    > 3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove
                    anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                    evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                    >
                    > Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly
                    lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and
                    organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will
                    yield a new trial.
                    >
                    > However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like
                    saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing
                    was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at
                    the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In
                    other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer
                    able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless
                    instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential
                    any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their
                    ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something
                    vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.
                    >
                    > When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the
                    possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all
                    things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that.
                    Any number of things could delay another move in court.
                    >
                    > I hope that answers most everything?
                    >
                    > Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places
                    require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to
                    make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a
                    success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving
                    for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more
                    valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally
                    important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant
                    capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely
                    solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.
                    >
                    > Your thoughts?
                    >
                    >
                    > Thanks!
                    > Bob Buechler
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no
                    idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                    > incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?
                    >
                    > Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't
                    "damaged" by
                    > the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some
                    clothing, the
                    > Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and
                    some other
                    > trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested
                    on the
                    > official site www.wm3.org.
                    >
                    > Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but
                    what
                    > about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and
                    ask how
                    > they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and
                    charge
                    > about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these
                    reception rooms
                    > have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted
                    to show
                    > your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm
                    willing to help
                    > out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf
                    resort
                    > reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you
                    wanted to set
                    > up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).
                    >
                    > -Elizabeth
                    >
                    > On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and
                    Paradise Lost
                    > > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story
                    of the West
                    > > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies
                    first because
                    > > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth,
                    keep up
                    > > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the
                    names.
                    > > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                    > >
                    > > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA
                    came from.
                    > > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this,
                    whether it's
                    > > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                    > > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by
                    Mark. He is
                    > > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three
                    mesage
                    > > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he
                    is living.
                    > > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have
                    been nice if
                    > > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these
                    three while he
                    > > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he
                    was in
                    > > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought
                    up much.
                    > > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal
                    level, and
                    > > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more
                    opportunity for common
                    > > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                    > >
                    > > DaveHoyt
                    > >
                    > > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                    > > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                    > > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as
                    quick as
                    > > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                    > > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                    > > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                    > >
                    > > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                    > >
                    > > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                    > > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                    > >
                    > > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                    > > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                    > >
                    > > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                    > > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                    > > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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                  • Bob B.
                    Well, at least you didn t go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley
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                      Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                      Bob


                      Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                      "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                      First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                      1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                      They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                      The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                      They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                      Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                      http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                      2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                      As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                      3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                      Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                      However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                      When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                      I hope that answers most everything?

                      Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                      Your thoughts?


                      Thanks!
                      Bob Buechler




                      Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                      incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                      Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                      the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                      Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                      trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                      official site www.wm3.org.

                      Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                      about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                      they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                      about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                      have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                      your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                      out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                      reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                      up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                      -Elizabeth

                      On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                      > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                      > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                      > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                      > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                      > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                      >
                      > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                      > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                      > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                      > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                      > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                      > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                      > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                      > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                      > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                      > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                      > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                      > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                      > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                      >
                      > DaveHoyt
                      >
                      > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                      > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                      > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                      > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                      > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                      > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                      >
                      > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                      >
                      > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                      > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                      >
                      > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                      > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                      >
                      > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                      > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                      > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                      >
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                      Please forward the MP3 to me, and I ll most likely get it included on wm3.org as well. (I m their webmaster) Thanks, Bob txtothebone
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                        Please forward the MP3 to me, and I'll most likely get it included on wm3.org as well. (I'm their webmaster)

                        Thanks,
                        Bob


                        txtothebone <unfcknblvbl@...> wrote: Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he
                        said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the
                        courts do not see a need to open the results. Henry thinks the
                        results will be opened but not for another 6 months (as the WM3
                        continue to needlessly sit in jail) after a massive amount of
                        work/pressure by the lawyers. I have the interview in .mp3 format
                        and, if there's interest, will post it to one of the Henry Rollins
                        yahoo groups or maybe to Rollins-archive.com. I need to edit the file
                        so that it contains just the interview but that may take a couple of
                        days.

                        --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to
                        the best of my knowledge, here goes:
                        >
                        > 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the
                        DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                        >
                        > They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD
                        evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and
                        saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up
                        being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone
                        concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any
                        conclusive results at all.
                        >
                        > The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber,
                        clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and
                        suspects' houses.
                        >
                        > They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three
                        boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby
                        proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite
                        unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely
                        possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.
                        >
                        > Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                        >
                        http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#
                        >
                        >
                        > 2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                        mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                        >
                        > As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive
                        and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards
                        from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was
                        living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.
                        >
                        >
                        > 3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove
                        anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                        evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                        >
                        > Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly
                        lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and
                        organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will
                        yield a new trial.
                        >
                        > However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like
                        saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing
                        was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at
                        the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In
                        other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer
                        able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless
                        instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential
                        any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their
                        ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something
                        vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.
                        >
                        > When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the
                        possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all
                        things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that.
                        Any number of things could delay another move in court.
                        >
                        > I hope that answers most everything?
                        >
                        > Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places
                        require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to
                        make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a
                        success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving
                        for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more
                        valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally
                        important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant
                        capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely
                        solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.
                        >
                        > Your thoughts?
                        >
                        >
                        > Thanks!
                        > Bob Buechler
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no
                        idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                        > incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?
                        >
                        > Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't
                        "damaged" by
                        > the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some
                        clothing, the
                        > Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and
                        some other
                        > trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested
                        on the
                        > official site www.wm3.org.
                        >
                        > Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but
                        what
                        > about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and
                        ask how
                        > they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and
                        charge
                        > about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these
                        reception rooms
                        > have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted
                        to show
                        > your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm
                        willing to help
                        > out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf
                        resort
                        > reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you
                        wanted to set
                        > up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).
                        >
                        > -Elizabeth
                        >
                        > On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and
                        Paradise Lost
                        > > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story
                        of the West
                        > > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies
                        first because
                        > > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth,
                        keep up
                        > > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the
                        names.
                        > > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                        > >
                        > > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA
                        came from.
                        > > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this,
                        whether it's
                        > > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                        > > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by
                        Mark. He is
                        > > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three
                        mesage
                        > > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he
                        is living.
                        > > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have
                        been nice if
                        > > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these
                        three while he
                        > > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he
                        was in
                        > > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought
                        up much.
                        > > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal
                        level, and
                        > > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more
                        opportunity for common
                        > > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                        > >
                        > > DaveHoyt
                        > >
                        > > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                        > > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                        > > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as
                        quick as
                        > > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                        > > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                        > > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                        > >
                        > > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                        > >
                        > > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                        > > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                        > >
                        > > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                        > > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                        > >
                        > > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                        > > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                        > > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
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                        Jim, Up until recently we haven t seen much activity here either. I m seriously happy to see such good discussion happening here finally. How many of you
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                          Jim,

                          Up until recently we haven't seen much activity here either. I'm seriously happy to see such good discussion happening here finally.

                          How many of you would be available to help out on the week of June 3rd for a benefit?

                          Thanks,
                          Bob


                          Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: That interview (Rollins on Bubba the Love Sponge), was my first glimpse of this case. That was last Thursday. I was on my way home from out of town, and I could not wait to get home and look up the web site. Once I did, I was just consumed by it. I can't stop thinking about it, I can't stop lookinf for information on it.

                          Many of the smaller groups are pretty inactive. I joined several of them, but this was the only one that I had any replies on.

                          txtothebone <unfcknblvbl@...> wrote:
                          Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he
                          said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the
                          courts do not see a need to open the results. Henry thinks the
                          results will be opened but not for another 6 months (as the WM3
                          continue to needlessly sit in jail) after a massive amount of
                          work/pressure by the lawyers. I have the interview in .mp3 format
                          and, if there's interest, will post it to one of the Henry Rollins
                          yahoo groups or maybe to Rollins-archive.com. I need to edit the file
                          so that it contains just the interview but that may take a couple of
                          days.

                          --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to
                          the best of my knowledge, here goes:
                          >
                          > 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the
                          DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                          >
                          > They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD
                          evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and
                          saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up
                          being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone
                          concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any
                          conclusive results at all.
                          >
                          > The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber,
                          clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and
                          suspects' houses.
                          >
                          > They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three
                          boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby
                          proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite
                          unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely
                          possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.
                          >
                          > Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                          >
                          http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#
                          >
                          >
                          > 2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                          mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                          >
                          > As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive
                          and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards
                          from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was
                          living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.
                          >
                          >
                          > 3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove
                          anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                          evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                          >
                          > Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly
                          lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and
                          organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will
                          yield a new trial.
                          >
                          > However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like
                          saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing
                          was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at
                          the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In
                          other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer
                          able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless
                          instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential
                          any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their
                          ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something
                          vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.
                          >
                          > When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the
                          possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all
                          things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that.
                          Any number of things could delay another move in court.
                          >
                          > I hope that answers most everything?
                          >
                          > Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places
                          require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to
                          make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a
                          success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving
                          for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more
                          valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally
                          important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant
                          capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely
                          solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.
                          >
                          > Your thoughts?
                          >
                          >
                          > Thanks!
                          > Bob Buechler
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no
                          idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                          > incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?
                          >
                          > Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't
                          "damaged" by
                          > the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some
                          clothing, the
                          > Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and
                          some other
                          > trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested
                          on the
                          > official site www.wm3.org.
                          >
                          > Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but
                          what
                          > about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and
                          ask how
                          > they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and
                          charge
                          > about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these
                          reception rooms
                          > have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted
                          to show
                          > your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm
                          willing to help
                          > out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf
                          resort
                          > reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you
                          wanted to set
                          > up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).
                          >
                          > -Elizabeth
                          >
                          > On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and
                          Paradise Lost
                          > > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story
                          of the West
                          > > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies
                          first because
                          > > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth,
                          keep up
                          > > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the
                          names.
                          > > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                          > >
                          > > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA
                          came from.
                          > > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this,
                          whether it's
                          > > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                          > > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by
                          Mark. He is
                          > > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three
                          mesage
                          > > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he
                          is living.
                          > > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have
                          been nice if
                          > > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these
                          three while he
                          > > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he
                          was in
                          > > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought
                          up much.
                          > > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal
                          level, and
                          > > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more
                          opportunity for common
                          > > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                          > >
                          > > DaveHoyt
                          > >
                          > > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                          > > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                          > > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as
                          quick as
                          > > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                          > > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                          > > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                          > >
                          > > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                          > >
                          > > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                          > > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                          > >
                          > > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                          > > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                          > >
                          > > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                          > > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                          > > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
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                          You know you can count on me. DaveHoyt Bob B. wrote: Jim, Up until recently we haven t seen much activity here either. I m seriously
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                            You know you can count on me.

                            DaveHoyt

                            "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                            Jim,

                            Up until recently we haven't seen much activity here either. I'm seriously happy to see such good discussion happening here finally.

                            How many of you would be available to help out on the week of June 3rd for a benefit?

                            Thanks,
                            Bob


                            Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: That interview (Rollins on Bubba the Love Sponge), was my first glimpse of this case. That was last Thursday. I was on my way home from out of town, and I could not wait to get home and look up the web site. Once I did, I was just consumed by it. I can't stop thinking about it, I can't stop lookinf for information on it.

                            Many of the smaller groups are pretty inactive. I joined several of them, but this was the only one that I had any replies on.

                            txtothebone <unfcknblvbl@...> wrote:
                            Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he
                            said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the
                            courts do not see a need to open the results. Henry thinks the
                            results will be opened but not for another 6 months (as the WM3
                            continue to needlessly sit in jail) after a massive amount of
                            work/pressure by the lawyers. I have the interview in .mp3 format
                            and, if there's interest, will post it to one of the Henry Rollins
                            yahoo groups or maybe to Rollins-archive.com. I need to edit the file
                            so that it contains just the interview but that may take a couple of
                            days.

                            --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to
                            the best of my knowledge, here goes:
                            >
                            > 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the
                            DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                            >
                            > They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD
                            evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and
                            saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up
                            being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone
                            concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any
                            conclusive results at all.
                            >
                            > The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber,
                            clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and
                            suspects' houses.
                            >
                            > They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three
                            boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby
                            proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite
                            unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely
                            possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.
                            >
                            > Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                            >
                            http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#
                            >
                            >
                            > 2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                            mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                            >
                            > As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive
                            and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards
                            from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was
                            living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.
                            >
                            >
                            > 3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove
                            anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                            evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                            >
                            > Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly
                            lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and
                            organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will
                            yield a new trial.
                            >
                            > However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like
                            saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing
                            was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at
                            the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In
                            other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer
                            able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless
                            instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential
                            any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their
                            ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something
                            vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.
                            >
                            > When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the
                            possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all
                            things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that.
                            Any number of things could delay another move in court.
                            >
                            > I hope that answers most everything?
                            >
                            > Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places
                            require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to
                            make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a
                            success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving
                            for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more
                            valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally
                            important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant
                            capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely
                            solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.
                            >
                            > Your thoughts?
                            >
                            >
                            > Thanks!
                            > Bob Buechler
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no
                            idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                            > incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?
                            >
                            > Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't
                            "damaged" by
                            > the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some
                            clothing, the
                            > Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and
                            some other
                            > trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested
                            on the
                            > official site www.wm3.org.
                            >
                            > Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but
                            what
                            > about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and
                            ask how
                            > they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and
                            charge
                            > about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these
                            reception rooms
                            > have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted
                            to show
                            > your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm
                            willing to help
                            > out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf
                            resort
                            > reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you
                            wanted to set
                            > up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).
                            >
                            > -Elizabeth
                            >
                            > On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and
                            Paradise Lost
                            > > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story
                            of the West
                            > > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies
                            first because
                            > > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth,
                            keep up
                            > > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the
                            names.
                            > > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                            > >
                            > > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA
                            came from.
                            > > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this,
                            whether it's
                            > > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                            > > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by
                            Mark. He is
                            > > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three
                            mesage
                            > > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he
                            is living.
                            > > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have
                            been nice if
                            > > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these
                            three while he
                            > > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he
                            was in
                            > > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought
                            up much.
                            > > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal
                            level, and
                            > > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more
                            opportunity for common
                            > > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                            > >
                            > > DaveHoyt
                            > >
                            > > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                            > > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                            > > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as
                            quick as
                            > > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                            > > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                            > > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                            > >
                            > > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                            > >
                            > > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                            > > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                            > >
                            > > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                            > > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                            > >
                            > > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                            > > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                            > > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
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                            I would actually love a copt of that mp3. It is a great little introductory primer to get people involved (worked for me anyway). I would love to help if I
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                              I would actually love a copt of that mp3. It is a great little introductory primer to get people involved (worked for me anyway).

                              I would love to help if I could, but I actually live in Indiana. Like I said, the other local groups I tried never responded.

                              "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                              Jim,

                              Up until recently we haven't seen much activity here either. I'm seriously happy to see such good discussion happening here finally.

                              How many of you would be available to help out on the week of June 3rd for a benefit?

                              Thanks,
                              Bob


                              Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: That interview (Rollins on Bubba the Love Sponge), was my first glimpse of this case. That was last Thursday. I was on my way home from out of town, and I could not wait to get home and look up the web site. Once I did, I was just consumed by it. I can't stop thinking about it, I can't stop lookinf for information on it.

                              Many of the smaller groups are pretty inactive. I joined several of them, but this was the only one that I had any replies on.

                              txtothebone <unfcknblvbl@...> wrote:
                              Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he
                              said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the
                              courts do not see a need to open the results. Henry thinks the
                              results will be opened but not for another 6 months (as the WM3
                              continue to needlessly sit in jail) after a massive amount of
                              work/pressure by the lawyers. I have the interview in .mp3 format
                              and, if there's interest, will post it to one of the Henry Rollins
                              yahoo groups or maybe to Rollins-archive.com. I need to edit the file
                              so that it contains just the interview but that may take a couple of
                              days.

                              --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to
                              the best of my knowledge, here goes:
                              >
                              > 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the
                              DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                              >
                              > They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD
                              evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and
                              saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up
                              being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone
                              concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any
                              conclusive results at all.
                              >
                              > The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber,
                              clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and
                              suspects' houses.
                              >
                              > They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three
                              boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby
                              proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite
                              unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely
                              possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.
                              >
                              > Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                              >
                              http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#
                              >
                              >
                              > 2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                              mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                              >
                              > As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive
                              and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards
                              from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was
                              living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.
                              >
                              >
                              > 3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove
                              anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                              evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                              >
                              > Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly
                              lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and
                              organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will
                              yield a new trial.
                              >
                              > However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like
                              saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing
                              was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at
                              the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In
                              other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer
                              able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless
                              instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential
                              any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their
                              ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something
                              vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.
                              >
                              > When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the
                              possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all
                              things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that.
                              Any number of things could delay another move in court.
                              >
                              > I hope that answers most everything?
                              >
                              > Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places
                              require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to
                              make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a
                              success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving
                              for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more
                              valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally
                              important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant
                              capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely
                              solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.
                              >
                              > Your thoughts?
                              >
                              >
                              > Thanks!
                              > Bob Buechler
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no
                              idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                              > incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?
                              >
                              > Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't
                              "damaged" by
                              > the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some
                              clothing, the
                              > Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and
                              some other
                              > trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested
                              on the
                              > official site www.wm3.org.
                              >
                              > Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but
                              what
                              > about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and
                              ask how
                              > they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and
                              charge
                              > about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these
                              reception rooms
                              > have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted
                              to show
                              > your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm
                              willing to help
                              > out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf
                              resort
                              > reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you
                              wanted to set
                              > up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).
                              >
                              > -Elizabeth
                              >
                              > On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and
                              Paradise Lost
                              > > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story
                              of the West
                              > > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies
                              first because
                              > > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth,
                              keep up
                              > > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the
                              names.
                              > > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                              > >
                              > > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA
                              came from.
                              > > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this,
                              whether it's
                              > > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                              > > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by
                              Mark. He is
                              > > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three
                              mesage
                              > > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he
                              is living.
                              > > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have
                              been nice if
                              > > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these
                              three while he
                              > > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he
                              was in
                              > > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought
                              up much.
                              > > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal
                              level, and
                              > > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more
                              opportunity for common
                              > > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                              > >
                              > > DaveHoyt
                              > >
                              > > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                              > > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                              > > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as
                              quick as
                              > > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                              > > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                              > > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                              > >
                              > > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                              > >
                              > > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                              > > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                              > >
                              > > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                              > > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
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                            • Bob B.
                              Jim, If you d like to help the team in your area, please contact Tammy the WM3 World Awareness Day coordinator at tammy@mcmsys.com for help hooking up with
                              Message 14 of 22 , Mar 1, 2006
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                                Jim,

                                If you'd like to help the team in your area, please contact Tammy the WM3 World Awareness Day coordinator at tammy@... for help hooking up with the right people in Indiana.

                                Regardless of where you live, I'm happy to have you on our list!

                                Thanks,
                                Bob


                                Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: I would actually love a copt of that mp3. It is a great little introductory primer to get people involved (worked for me anyway).

                                I would love to help if I could, but I actually live in Indiana. Like I said, the other local groups I tried never responded.

                                "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                Jim,

                                Up until recently we haven't seen much activity here either. I'm seriously happy to see such good discussion happening here finally.

                                How many of you would be available to help out on the week of June 3rd for a benefit?

                                Thanks,
                                Bob


                                Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: That interview (Rollins on Bubba the Love Sponge), was my first glimpse of this case. That was last Thursday. I was on my way home from out of town, and I could not wait to get home and look up the web site. Once I did, I was just consumed by it. I can't stop thinking about it, I can't stop lookinf for information on it.

                                Many of the smaller groups are pretty inactive. I joined several of them, but this was the only one that I had any replies on.

                                txtothebone <unfcknblvbl@...> wrote:
                                Henry Rolllins was on the Bubba the Love Spone show (02.23.06) and he
                                said the DNA testing is complete, the results are sealed but the
                                courts do not see a need to open the results. Henry thinks the
                                results will be opened but not for another 6 months (as the WM3
                                continue to needlessly sit in jail) after a massive amount of
                                work/pressure by the lawyers. I have the interview in .mp3 format
                                and, if there's interest, will post it to one of the Henry Rollins
                                yahoo groups or maybe to Rollins-archive.com. I need to edit the file
                                so that it contains just the interview but that may take a couple of
                                days.

                                --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to
                                the best of my knowledge, here goes:
                                >
                                > 1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the
                                DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                                >
                                > They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD
                                evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and
                                saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up
                                being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone
                                concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any
                                conclusive results at all.
                                >
                                > The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber,
                                clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and
                                suspects' houses.
                                >
                                > They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three
                                boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby
                                proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite
                                unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely
                                possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.
                                >
                                > Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                                >
                                http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#
                                >
                                >
                                > 2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                                mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                                >
                                > As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive
                                and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards
                                from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was
                                living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.
                                >
                                >
                                > 3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove
                                anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                                evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                                >
                                > Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly
                                lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and
                                organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will
                                yield a new trial.
                                >
                                > However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like
                                saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing
                                was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at
                                the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In
                                other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer
                                able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless
                                instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential
                                any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their
                                ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something
                                vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.
                                >
                                > When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the
                                possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all
                                things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that.
                                Any number of things could delay another move in court.
                                >
                                > I hope that answers most everything?
                                >
                                > Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places
                                require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to
                                make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a
                                success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving
                                for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more
                                valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally
                                important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant
                                capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely
                                solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.
                                >
                                > Your thoughts?
                                >
                                >
                                > Thanks!
                                > Bob Buechler
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no
                                idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                                > incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?
                                >
                                > Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't
                                "damaged" by
                                > the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some
                                clothing, the
                                > Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and
                                some other
                                > trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested
                                on the
                                > official site www.wm3.org.
                                >
                                > Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but
                                what
                                > about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and
                                ask how
                                > they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and
                                charge
                                > about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these
                                reception rooms
                                > have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted
                                to show
                                > your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm
                                willing to help
                                > out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf
                                resort
                                > reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you
                                wanted to set
                                > up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).
                                >
                                > -Elizabeth
                                >
                                > On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and
                                Paradise Lost
                                > > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story
                                of the West
                                > > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies
                                first because
                                > > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth,
                                keep up
                                > > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the
                                names.
                                > > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                                > >
                                > > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA
                                came from.
                                > > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this,
                                whether it's
                                > > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                                > > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by
                                Mark. He is
                                > > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three
                                mesage
                                > > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he
                                is living.
                                > > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have
                                been nice if
                                > > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these
                                three while he
                                > > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he
                                was in
                                > > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought
                                up much.
                                > > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal
                                level, and
                                > > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more
                                opportunity for common
                                > > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                                > >
                                > > DaveHoyt
                                > >
                                > > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                > > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                                > > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as
                                quick as
                                > > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                                > > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                                > > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                                > >
                                > > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                                > >
                                > > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                                > > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                                > >
                                > > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                                > > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                                > >
                                > > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                                > > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                                > > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
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                                I don t necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me.
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                                  I don't necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me. Ironically, for me, it is Damien, Jason, and even Jessie who seem somewhat normal. I do think he "could be guilty", and should be investigated as such, although it may be too late for that. What could they possibly find out now by investigating him, other than the possible DNA evidence they already have.

                                  My interest does not lie in finding Byers guilty (although that would be a fine possible outcome). While I would like them to find the kliier, it is the issue of the wrongly convicted that has sparked my interest.

                                  In order to be perfectly fair, I am not even going to go as far as to say that Damien, Jason, and Jessie are innocent. But, I will say that they were in no way proven guilty. some of my friends have said "what if you are worng, and they are guilty?" I answered....then let them prove it. I would be satisfied with a fair trial, in a location such as Chicago, or NY, or LosAngeles, or for that matter even Little Rock. If this evidence exists that conclusively proves them guilty, it will stand up at a trial anywhere, and with any jury pool.

                                  I think the 2 biggest things that contributed to their conviction are

                                  1) a judge that did not carry out his duties
                                  -Jessie's lack of miranda waiver and lack of parental or legal counsel during questioning is first and foremost, because without this nothing else matters because there whole case hinges on that.

                                  2) A contaminated jury pool.
                                  - There is no way the jurors could not have been contaminated by media reports, police reports, rumor, etc. Compunding this is the probable lack of legal knowledge to even be a juror. Were they trained on what to do, what to expect, what is allowable, what is not allowable, etc.

                                  I also think the defense lawyers could have done more to bring attention to these facts during the trial. Even if it took a Johnny Cochran style media performance (after all, OJ is free).


                                  "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                  Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                                  Bob


                                  Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                                  "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                  First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                                  1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                                  They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                                  The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                                  They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                                  Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                                  http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                                  2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                                  As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                                  3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                                  Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                                  However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                                  When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                                  I hope that answers most everything?

                                  Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                                  Your thoughts?


                                  Thanks!
                                  Bob Buechler




                                  Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                                  incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                                  Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                                  the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                                  Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                                  trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                                  official site www.wm3.org.

                                  Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                                  about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                                  they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                                  about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                                  have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                                  your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                                  out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                                  reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                                  up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                                  -Elizabeth

                                  On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                                  > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                                  > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                                  > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                                  > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                                  > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                                  >
                                  > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                                  > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                                  > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                                  > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                                  > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                                  > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                                  > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                                  > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                                  > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                                  > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                                  > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                                  > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                                  > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                                  >
                                  > DaveHoyt
                                  >
                                  > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                  > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                                  > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                                  > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                                  > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                                  > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                                  >
                                  > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                                  >
                                  > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                                  > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                                  >
                                  > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                                  > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                                  >
                                  > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
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                                  I edited the file - the interview is just over 30 minutes - and am working with Bob (and others) on getting it posted. ... introductory primer to get people
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                                    I edited the file - the interview is just over 30 minutes - and am
                                    working with Bob (and others) on getting it posted.

                                    --- In WM3az@yahoogroups.com, Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > I would actually love a copt of that mp3. It is a great little
                                    introductory primer to get people involved (worked for me anyway).
                                  • Melanie Faith
                                    I agree with what you say. An automatic assumption of who is eithr guilty or innocent is what put the three in jail in the first place. Now the question is not
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                                      I agree with what you say. An automatic assumption of who is eithr guilty or innocent is what put the three in jail in the first place.
                                      Now the question is not entirely what HAS been done, but what can be done to help the current situation, and what can be done to prove that evidence was tampered with, jurys were not impartial, etc.

                                      Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                      I don't necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me. Ironically, for me, it is Damien, Jason, and even Jessie who seem somewhat normal. I do think he "could be guilty", and should be investigated as such, although it may be too late for that. What could they possibly find out now by investigating him, other than the possible DNA evidence they already have.

                                      My interest does not lie in finding Byers guilty (although that would be a fine possible outcome). While I would like them to find the kliier, it is the issue of the wrongly convicted that has sparked my interest.

                                      In order to be perfectly fair, I am not even going to go as far as to say that Damien, Jason, and Jessie are innocent. But, I will say that they were in no way proven guilty. some of my friends have said "what if you are worng, and they are guilty?" I answered....then let them prove it. I would be satisfied with a fair trial, in a location such as Chicago, or NY, or LosAngeles, or for that matter even Little Rock. If this evidence exists that conclusively proves them guilty, it will stand up at a trial anywhere, and with any jury pool.

                                      I think the 2 biggest things that contributed to their conviction are

                                      1) a judge that did not carry out his duties
                                      -Jessie's lack of miranda waiver and lack of parental or legal counsel during questioning is first and foremost, because without this nothing else matters because there whole case hinges on that.

                                      2) A contaminated jury pool.
                                      - There is no way the jurors could not have been contaminated by media reports, police reports, rumor, etc. Compunding this is the probable lack of legal knowledge to even be a juror. Were they trained on what to do, what to expect, what is allowable, what is not allowable, etc.

                                      I also think the defense lawyers could have done more to bring attention to these facts during the trial. Even if it took a Johnny Cochran style media performance (after all, OJ is free).


                                      "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                      Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                                      Bob


                                      Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                                      "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                      First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                                      1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                                      They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                                      The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                                      They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                                      Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                                      http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                                      2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                                      As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                                      3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                                      Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                                      However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                                      When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                                      I hope that answers most everything?

                                      Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                                      Your thoughts?


                                      Thanks!
                                      Bob Buechler




                                      Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                                      incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                                      Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                                      the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                                      Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                                      trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                                      official site www.wm3.org.

                                      Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                                      about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                                      they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                                      about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                                      have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                                      your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                                      out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                                      reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                                      up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                                      -Elizabeth

                                      On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                                      > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                                      > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                                      > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                                      > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                                      > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                                      >
                                      > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                                      > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                                      > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                                      > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                                      > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                                      > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                                      > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                                      > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                                      > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                                      > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                                      > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                                      > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                                      > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                                      >
                                      > DaveHoyt
                                      >
                                      > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                      > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                                      > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                                      > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                                      > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                                      > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                                      >
                                      > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                                      >
                                      > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                                      > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                                      >
                                      > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                                      > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                                      >
                                      > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                                      > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                                      > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
                                      >
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                                      I am sure all of this has been hashed and rehashed on here over the years, and I apologize for dredging it all up again. But, as you know, I am new to all of
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                                        I am sure all of this has been hashed and rehashed on here over the years, and I apologize for dredging it all up again. But, as you know, I am new to all of this. So, all of these thoughts are going thru my head for the first time. Thanks for your patience everybody!!

                                        Melanie Faith <tava_tara@...> wrote: I agree with what you say. An automatic assumption of who is eithr guilty or innocent is what put the three in jail in the first place.
                                        Now the question is not entirely what HAS been done, but what can be done to help the current situation, and what can be done to prove that evidence was tampered with, jurys were not impartial, etc.

                                        Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                        I don't necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me. Ironically, for me, it is Damien, Jason, and even Jessie who seem somewhat normal. I do think he "could be guilty", and should be investigated as such, although it may be too late for that. What could they possibly find out now by investigating him, other than the possible DNA evidence they already have.

                                        My interest does not lie in finding Byers guilty (although that would be a fine possible outcome). While I would like them to find the kliier, it is the issue of the wrongly convicted that has sparked my interest.

                                        In order to be perfectly fair, I am not even going to go as far as to say that Damien, Jason, and Jessie are innocent. But, I will say that they were in no way proven guilty. some of my friends have said "what if you are worng, and they are guilty?" I answered....then let them prove it. I would be satisfied with a fair trial, in a location such as Chicago, or NY, or LosAngeles, or for that matter even Little Rock. If this evidence exists that conclusively proves them guilty, it will stand up at a trial anywhere, and with any jury pool.

                                        I think the 2 biggest things that contributed to their conviction are

                                        1) a judge that did not carry out his duties
                                        -Jessie's lack of miranda waiver and lack of parental or legal counsel during questioning is first and foremost, because without this nothing else matters because there whole case hinges on that.

                                        2) A contaminated jury pool.
                                        - There is no way the jurors could not have been contaminated by media reports, police reports, rumor, etc. Compunding this is the probable lack of legal knowledge to even be a juror. Were they trained on what to do, what to expect, what is allowable, what is not allowable, etc.

                                        I also think the defense lawyers could have done more to bring attention to these facts during the trial. Even if it took a Johnny Cochran style media performance (after all, OJ is free).


                                        "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                        Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                                        Bob


                                        Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                                        "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                        First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                                        1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                                        They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                                        The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                                        They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                                        Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                                        http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                                        2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                                        As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                                        3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                                        Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                                        However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                                        When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                                        I hope that answers most everything?

                                        Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                                        Your thoughts?


                                        Thanks!
                                        Bob Buechler




                                        Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                                        incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                                        Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                                        the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                                        Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                                        trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                                        official site www.wm3.org.

                                        Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                                        about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                                        they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                                        about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                                        have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                                        your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                                        out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                                        reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                                        up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                                        -Elizabeth

                                        On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                                        > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                                        > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                                        > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                                        > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                                        > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                                        >
                                        > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                                        > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                                        > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                                        > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                                        > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                                        > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                                        > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                                        > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                                        > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                                        > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                                        > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                                        > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                                        > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                                        >
                                        > DaveHoyt
                                        >
                                        > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                        > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                                        > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                                        > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                                        > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                                        > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                                        >
                                        > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                                        >
                                        > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                                        > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                                        >
                                        > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                                        > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                                        >
                                        > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
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                                        Jim, There is NO need to apologize. Some of this has been talked about, and some of it hasn t. It s a good thing to refresh people on this, even if they have
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                                          Jim,

                                          There is NO need to apologize. Some of this has been talked about, and some of it hasn't. It's a good thing to refresh people on this, even if they have already discussed it.

                                          Please continue to ask questions, even if they may sound silly or elementary, I assure you that they are all valuable.

                                          Thanks,
                                          Bob


                                          Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: I am sure all of this has been hashed and rehashed on here over the years, and I apologize for dredging it all up again. But, as you know, I am new to all of this. So, all of these thoughts are going thru my head for the first time. Thanks for your patience everybody!!

                                          Melanie Faith <tava_tara@...> wrote: I agree with what you say. An automatic assumption of who is eithr guilty or innocent is what put the three in jail in the first place.
                                          Now the question is not entirely what HAS been done, but what can be done to help the current situation, and what can be done to prove that evidence was tampered with, jurys were not impartial, etc.

                                          Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                          I don't necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me. Ironically, for me, it is Damien, Jason, and even Jessie who seem somewhat normal. I do think he "could be guilty", and should be investigated as such, although it may be too late for that. What could they possibly find out now by investigating him, other than the possible DNA evidence they already have.

                                          My interest does not lie in finding Byers guilty (although that would be a fine possible outcome). While I would like them to find the kliier, it is the issue of the wrongly convicted that has sparked my interest.

                                          In order to be perfectly fair, I am not even going to go as far as to say that Damien, Jason, and Jessie are innocent. But, I will say that they were in no way proven guilty. some of my friends have said "what if you are worng, and they are guilty?" I answered....then let them prove it. I would be satisfied with a fair trial, in a location such as Chicago, or NY, or LosAngeles, or for that matter even Little Rock. If this evidence exists that conclusively proves them guilty, it will stand up at a trial anywhere, and with any jury pool.

                                          I think the 2 biggest things that contributed to their conviction are

                                          1) a judge that did not carry out his duties
                                          -Jessie's lack of miranda waiver and lack of parental or legal counsel during questioning is first and foremost, because without this nothing else matters because there whole case hinges on that.

                                          2) A contaminated jury pool.
                                          - There is no way the jurors could not have been contaminated by media reports, police reports, rumor, etc. Compunding this is the probable lack of legal knowledge to even be a juror. Were they trained on what to do, what to expect, what is allowable, what is not allowable, etc.

                                          I also think the defense lawyers could have done more to bring attention to these facts during the trial. Even if it took a Johnny Cochran style media performance (after all, OJ is free).


                                          "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                          Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                                          Bob


                                          Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                                          "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                          First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                                          1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                                          They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                                          The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                                          They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                                          Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                                          http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                                          2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                                          As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                                          3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                                          Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                                          However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                                          When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                                          I hope that answers most everything?

                                          Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                                          Your thoughts?


                                          Thanks!
                                          Bob Buechler




                                          Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                                          incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                                          Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                                          the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                                          Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                                          trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                                          official site www.wm3.org.

                                          Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                                          about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                                          they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                                          about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                                          have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                                          your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                                          out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                                          reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                                          up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                                          -Elizabeth

                                          On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                                          > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                                          > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                                          > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                                          > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                                          > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                                          >
                                          > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                                          > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                                          > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                                          > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                                          > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                                          > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                                          > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                                          > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                                          > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                                          > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                                          > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                                          > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                                          > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                                          >
                                          > DaveHoyt
                                          >
                                          > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                          > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                                          > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                                          > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                                          > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                                          > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                                          >
                                          > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                                          >
                                          > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                                          > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                                          >
                                          > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                                          > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                                          >
                                          > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                                          > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                                          > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
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                                          Yesterday, I signed up for the discussion group linked to the wm3.org web page. I think it is topica, or something like that. WOW, are they ever hateful.
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                                            Yesterday, I signed up for the discussion group linked to the wm3.org web page. I think it is topica, or something like that. WOW, are they ever hateful. There are many conversations on there that digress into pretty severe personal attacks on each other. I made some posts, and then read some more threads. All I have to say is I hope there is no way for anybody to find out my actual full real name, or email address.

                                            "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote: Jim,

                                            There is NO need to apologize. Some of this has been talked about, and some of it hasn't. It's a good thing to refresh people on this, even if they have already discussed it.

                                            Please continue to ask questions, even if they may sound silly or elementary, I assure you that they are all valuable.

                                            Thanks,
                                            Bob


                                            Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: I am sure all of this has been hashed and rehashed on here over the years, and I apologize for dredging it all up again. But, as you know, I am new to all of this. So, all of these thoughts are going thru my head for the first time. Thanks for your patience everybody!!

                                            Melanie Faith <tava_tara@...> wrote: I agree with what you say. An automatic assumption of who is eithr guilty or innocent is what put the three in jail in the first place.
                                            Now the question is not entirely what HAS been done, but what can be done to help the current situation, and what can be done to prove that evidence was tampered with, jurys were not impartial, etc.

                                            Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                            I don't necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me. Ironically, for me, it is Damien, Jason, and even Jessie who seem somewhat normal. I do think he "could be guilty", and should be investigated as such, although it may be too late for that. What could they possibly find out now by investigating him, other than the possible DNA evidence they already have.

                                            My interest does not lie in finding Byers guilty (although that would be a fine possible outcome). While I would like them to find the kliier, it is the issue of the wrongly convicted that has sparked my interest.

                                            In order to be perfectly fair, I am not even going to go as far as to say that Damien, Jason, and Jessie are innocent. But, I will say that they were in no way proven guilty. some of my friends have said "what if you are worng, and they are guilty?" I answered....then let them prove it. I would be satisfied with a fair trial, in a location such as Chicago, or NY, or LosAngeles, or for that matter even Little Rock. If this evidence exists that conclusively proves them guilty, it will stand up at a trial anywhere, and with any jury pool.

                                            I think the 2 biggest things that contributed to their conviction are

                                            1) a judge that did not carry out his duties
                                            -Jessie's lack of miranda waiver and lack of parental or legal counsel during questioning is first and foremost, because without this nothing else matters because there whole case hinges on that.

                                            2) A contaminated jury pool.
                                            - There is no way the jurors could not have been contaminated by media reports, police reports, rumor, etc. Compunding this is the probable lack of legal knowledge to even be a juror. Were they trained on what to do, what to expect, what is allowable, what is not allowable, etc.

                                            I also think the defense lawyers could have done more to bring attention to these facts during the trial. Even if it took a Johnny Cochran style media performance (after all, OJ is free).


                                            "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                            Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                                            Bob


                                            Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                                            "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                            First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                                            1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                                            They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                                            The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                                            They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                                            Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                                            http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                                            2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                                            As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                                            3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                                            Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                                            However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                                            When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                                            I hope that answers most everything?

                                            Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                                            Your thoughts?


                                            Thanks!
                                            Bob Buechler




                                            Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                                            incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                                            Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                                            the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                                            Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                                            trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                                            official site www.wm3.org.

                                            Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                                            about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                                            they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                                            about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                                            have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                                            your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                                            out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                                            reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                                            up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                                            -Elizabeth

                                            On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                                            > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                                            > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                                            > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                                            > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                                            > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                                            >
                                            > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                                            > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                                            > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                                            > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                                            > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                                            > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                                            > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                                            > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                                            > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                                            > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                                            > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                                            > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                                            > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                                            >
                                            > DaveHoyt
                                            >
                                            > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                            > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                                            > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                                            > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                                            > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                                            > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                                            >
                                            > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                                            >
                                            > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                                            > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                                            >
                                            > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                                            > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                                            >
                                            > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
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                                            Topics like this have a way of insighting hate in people, no matter what side of the coin you re on. Jim Walter wrote: Yesterday, I
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                                              Topics like this have a way of insighting hate in people, no matter what side of the coin you're on.

                                              Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Yesterday, I signed up for the discussion group linked to the wm3.org web page. I think it is topica, or something like that. WOW, are they ever hateful. There are many conversations on there that digress into pretty severe personal attacks on each other. I made some posts, and then read some more threads. All I have to say is I hope there is no way for anybody to find out my actual full real name, or email address.

                                              "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote: Jim,

                                              There is NO need to apologize. Some of this has been talked about, and some of it hasn't. It's a good thing to refresh people on this, even if they have already discussed it.

                                              Please continue to ask questions, even if they may sound silly or elementary, I assure you that they are all valuable.

                                              Thanks,
                                              Bob


                                              Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: I am sure all of this has been hashed and rehashed on here over the years, and I apologize for dredging it all up again. But, as you know, I am new to all of this. So, all of these thoughts are going thru my head for the first time. Thanks for your patience everybody!!

                                              Melanie Faith <tava_tara@...> wrote: I agree with what you say. An automatic assumption of who is eithr guilty or innocent is what put the three in jail in the first place.
                                              Now the question is not entirely what HAS been done, but what can be done to help the current situation, and what can be done to prove that evidence was tampered with, jurys were not impartial, etc.

                                              Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                              I don't necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me. Ironically, for me, it is Damien, Jason, and even Jessie who seem somewhat normal. I do think he "could be guilty", and should be investigated as such, although it may be too late for that. What could they possibly find out now by investigating him, other than the possible DNA evidence they already have.

                                              My interest does not lie in finding Byers guilty (although that would be a fine possible outcome). While I would like them to find the kliier, it is the issue of the wrongly convicted that has sparked my interest.

                                              In order to be perfectly fair, I am not even going to go as far as to say that Damien, Jason, and Jessie are innocent. But, I will say that they were in no way proven guilty. some of my friends have said "what if you are worng, and they are guilty?" I answered....then let them prove it. I would be satisfied with a fair trial, in a location such as Chicago, or NY, or LosAngeles, or for that matter even Little Rock. If this evidence exists that conclusively proves them guilty, it will stand up at a trial anywhere, and with any jury pool.

                                              I think the 2 biggest things that contributed to their conviction are

                                              1) a judge that did not carry out his duties
                                              -Jessie's lack of miranda waiver and lack of parental or legal counsel during questioning is first and foremost, because without this nothing else matters because there whole case hinges on that.

                                              2) A contaminated jury pool.
                                              - There is no way the jurors could not have been contaminated by media reports, police reports, rumor, etc. Compunding this is the probable lack of legal knowledge to even be a juror. Were they trained on what to do, what to expect, what is allowable, what is not allowable, etc.

                                              I also think the defense lawyers could have done more to bring attention to these facts during the trial. Even if it took a Johnny Cochran style media performance (after all, OJ is free).


                                              "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                              Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                                              Bob


                                              Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                                              "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                              First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                                              1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                                              They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                                              The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                                              They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                                              Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                                              http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                                              2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                                              As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                                              3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                                              Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                                              However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                                              When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                                              I hope that answers most everything?

                                              Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                                              Your thoughts?


                                              Thanks!
                                              Bob Buechler




                                              Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                                              incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                                              Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                                              the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                                              Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                                              trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                                              official site www.wm3.org.

                                              Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                                              about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                                              they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                                              about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                                              have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                                              your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                                              out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                                              reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                                              up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                                              -Elizabeth

                                              On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                                              > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                                              > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                                              > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                                              > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                                              > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                                              >
                                              > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                                              > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                                              > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                                              > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                                              > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                                              > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                                              > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                                              > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                                              > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                                              > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                                              > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                                              > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                                              > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                                              >
                                              > DaveHoyt
                                              >
                                              > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                              > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                                              > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                                              > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                                              > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                                              > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
                                              >
                                              > A few questions somebody might be able to help me with:
                                              >
                                              > 1)What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA
                                              > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
                                              >
                                              > 2)What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it
                                              > mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?
                                              >
                                              > 3)Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything
                                              > conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new
                                              > evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.
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                                              Additionally, there are people on that list that believe, wholeheartedly and steadfastly, that the guys are guilty. Now, most of us know that it IS possible
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                                                Additionally, there are people on that list that believe, wholeheartedly and steadfastly, that the guys are guilty. Now, most of us know that it IS possible to disagree and still be civil and hold a calm conversation... however, sadly, the types of people who are not even willing to consider the possibility that the guys are innocent tend to be pretty short-sighted and short-tempered.

                                                That's not to say that supporters are not to blame as well, most of these guys have been defending the WM3 for so long, against all manner of non-supporters that they get very tired of them, very quickly... often retorting in a way that is not conducive to civil discourse.

                                                I tend to skim digests of that list, and very rarely ever get directly involved in any of the conversations.

                                                Bob


                                                Melanie Faith <tava_tara@...> wrote: Topics like this have a way of insighting hate in people, no matter what side of the coin you're on.

                                                Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Yesterday, I signed up for the discussion group linked to the wm3.org web page. I think it is topica, or something like that. WOW, are they ever hateful. There are many conversations on there that digress into pretty severe personal attacks on each other. I made some posts, and then read some more threads. All I have to say is I hope there is no way for anybody to find out my actual full real name, or email address.

                                                "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote: Jim,

                                                There is NO need to apologize. Some of this has been talked about, and some of it hasn't. It's a good thing to refresh people on this, even if they have already discussed it.

                                                Please continue to ask questions, even if they may sound silly or elementary, I assure you that they are all valuable.

                                                Thanks,
                                                Bob


                                                Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: I am sure all of this has been hashed and rehashed on here over the years, and I apologize for dredging it all up again. But, as you know, I am new to all of this. So, all of these thoughts are going thru my head for the first time. Thanks for your patience everybody!!

                                                Melanie Faith <tava_tara@...> wrote: I agree with what you say. An automatic assumption of who is eithr guilty or innocent is what put the three in jail in the first place.
                                                Now the question is not entirely what HAS been done, but what can be done to help the current situation, and what can be done to prove that evidence was tampered with, jurys were not impartial, etc.

                                                Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                                I don't necessarily think he is anything but just creepy. In fact, a lot of the people in the video from that area, sorry to say, seem a little creepy to me. Ironically, for me, it is Damien, Jason, and even Jessie who seem somewhat normal. I do think he "could be guilty", and should be investigated as such, although it may be too late for that. What could they possibly find out now by investigating him, other than the possible DNA evidence they already have.

                                                My interest does not lie in finding Byers guilty (although that would be a fine possible outcome). While I would like them to find the kliier, it is the issue of the wrongly convicted that has sparked my interest.

                                                In order to be perfectly fair, I am not even going to go as far as to say that Damien, Jason, and Jessie are innocent. But, I will say that they were in no way proven guilty. some of my friends have said "what if you are worng, and they are guilty?" I answered....then let them prove it. I would be satisfied with a fair trial, in a location such as Chicago, or NY, or LosAngeles, or for that matter even Little Rock. If this evidence exists that conclusively proves them guilty, it will stand up at a trial anywhere, and with any jury pool.

                                                I think the 2 biggest things that contributed to their conviction are

                                                1) a judge that did not carry out his duties
                                                -Jessie's lack of miranda waiver and lack of parental or legal counsel during questioning is first and foremost, because without this nothing else matters because there whole case hinges on that.

                                                2) A contaminated jury pool.
                                                - There is no way the jurors could not have been contaminated by media reports, police reports, rumor, etc. Compunding this is the probable lack of legal knowledge to even be a juror. Were they trained on what to do, what to expect, what is allowable, what is not allowable, etc.

                                                I also think the defense lawyers could have done more to bring attention to these facts during the trial. Even if it took a Johnny Cochran style media performance (after all, OJ is free).


                                                "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                                Well, at least you didn't go so far as to say that Byers is conclusively guilty. Because, to say that is essentially the same as saying Echols, Misskelley and Baldwin are conclusively guilty. The fact of the matter is, no matter how much we may want it to be true, there is simply not enough evidence to prove it.

                                                Bob


                                                Jim Walter <wanttowatch699@...> wrote: Thanks for the info, sorry for the wrong name on Byers. I just watched PL 2 last night, and I will tell you this.....he is one disturbing individual. He personifies the deep south, redneck, uneducated, ignorant, bible totin' steroetype that we all know. I have always been scared by anybody who cannot have a single thought of their own without quoting the bible. The only thing that rings of anything Satanic in this whole case.....is Byers. Someone should tell him that the bible says that Satan will quote the bible anytime it fits his purpose....which is exactly what Byers does.


                                                "Bob B." <megashub@...> wrote:
                                                First, excellent questions. I'll be happy to "fill in the blanks" to the best of my knowledge, here goes:

                                                1) What DNA Evidence are they currently examining? Where did the DNA come from, and what are we hoping it proves.

                                                They have been testing 37 pages worth of evidence from the WMPD evidence archives. One of which are human tissue samples found and saved from under the victims' fingernails. This may very well end up being the strongest evidence available as it may be able to someone concretely - HOWEVER, that piece of evidence may not yield any conclusive results at all.

                                                The rest of the evidence is all your typical fare, hair and fiber, clothing, assorted items found at the scene and at the victims' and suspects' houses.

                                                They are hoping to prove, without a doubt, that none of the three boys were anywhere NEAR the victims or the crime scene and thereby proving that they had nothing to do with the murders. It's quite unlikely they will determine who *WAS* there, but it's entirely possible the findings will be strong enough to prove who *WAS NOT*.

                                                Here's the link to the full list of DNA testing items:
                                                http://www.wm3.org/live/trialshearings/chrono_detail.php?chrono_Id=20&guy=1&year=2002#


                                                2) What is the current status of Gary Byers? In the HBO movie, it mentions him having cancer. Is he still alive?

                                                As mentioned before, his name is John Mark Byers, he's still alive and does still pester people pointlessly on the WM3 message boards from time to time. He has since remarried and, at last check, was living in a trailer on a big, empty plot of land somewhere in Tennessee.


                                                3) Realistically, assuming the DNA evidence does not prove anything conclusively, what then? Is this the last real chance for new evidence that "could" warrant a new trial.

                                                Not entirely. The judicial record on this case is so amazingly lopsided that it's very possible that a strong, conclusive and organized Federal appeal of the State's actions in this case will yield a new trial.

                                                However, once you file an appeal in the federal courts, it's like saying, "We're satisfied that the case is complete and that nothing was left out, we just think it was handled improperly. Please look at the case and all the appeals entirely and provide your findings." In other words, once you file a Federal appeal on case, you're no longer able to introduce new motions on the case on the State level unless instructed by the Federal courts. Therefore it's absolutely essential any major moves in the Federal court system wait until all their ducks are in a row and all the eggs have been counted or something vital might get missed that could help them in their future appeals.

                                                When I met with Lorri this past fall, she mentioned the possibility of being in court again in the late summer. But all things in the legal world change so do not hold your breath on that. Any number of things could delay another move in court.

                                                I hope that answers most everything?

                                                Branowen, regarding your idea: Most of those kinds of places require you to pay money to them in advance of the event in order to make sure they get paid regardless of whether or not your event is a success. Traditionally, Arizona has been less than monetarily giving for this case and most of our past endeavors have been 10x more valuable for case exposure than for fund raising. Both are equally important, but I (for one), would rather not invest significant capital in a massive undertaking like that without some extremely solid evidence we'd be able to at least break even.

                                                Your thoughts?


                                                Thanks!
                                                Bob Buechler




                                                Elizabeth Kyllingstad <branowen@...> wrote: Wow, I had no idea JMB still posts on the WM3 boards... That's almost too
                                                incredible to believe. I mean, what does that man have to say?

                                                Isn't the DNA testing covering some small items that weren't "damaged" by
                                                the West Memphis police? I thought they were testing some clothing, the
                                                Byers knife, the knife found in the lake near Jason's house and some other
                                                trinkets. In fact, I think there is a list of what is being tested on the
                                                official site www.wm3.org.

                                                Bob - I don't know if this is too late to chime in with ideas, but what
                                                about a fundraiser dinner? I could contact the AZ Witches Ball and ask how
                                                they do it every year. I know they book a hotel reception area and charge
                                                about $40 per ticket in advance for a dinner. Most of these reception rooms
                                                have pulldown screens for business meetings and such if you wanted to show
                                                your PL1 reel. All we'd have to find is a projector and I'm willing to help
                                                out in any way I can. Three of my brothers worked at the AZ golf resort
                                                reception room, so I bet I could even get us a discount if you wanted to set
                                                up there (it's in East Mesa - Broadway and Power Rd).

                                                -Elizabeth

                                                On 2/28/06, David Hoyt <dhoytinaz@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > My first suggestion is to buy and watch Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost
                                                > 2-Revelations. Then buy the book, Devil's Knot-The true story of the West
                                                > Memphis Three by Mara Leavit. I suggest watching the movies first because
                                                > it helped me when reading the book, which is much more in depth, keep up
                                                > with who people were because you are able to put a face with the names.
                                                > I too got into this case because of Mr. Rollins. God Bless Him.
                                                >
                                                > As far as your first question: I am not sure where the DNA came from.
                                                > We are hoping that it proves one way or the other who did this, whether it's
                                                > Damien and Jason, or somebody else.
                                                > Second Question: The name is John Mark Byers and he goes by Mark. He is
                                                > still alive and will occasionally post on the West Memphis Three mesage
                                                > board. I'm not sure that anyone is totally sure as to where he is living.
                                                > Third Question: I don't know. I hope not. It would have been nice if
                                                > President Clinton could have found some pardon room for these three while he
                                                > was handing out all of those pardons in the last couple days he was in
                                                > office, but thats another story, and one I haven't heard brought up much.
                                                > I honestly think that now that the appeals are at the federal level, and
                                                > not taking place in arkansas, that there is much more opportunity for common
                                                > sense to prevail, let's hope so.
                                                >
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                                                > Kim and Jim <wanttowatch699@...> wrote:
                                                > Does anybody know the current status of the DNA Tests? I am pretty
                                                > new to this whole thing, and am trying to come up to speed as quick as
                                                > I can. I just heard an interview with Henry Rollins on my Satellite
                                                > radio last week, and that was my first real knowledge of this case.
                                                > Since then i have become obsessed with finding information.
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                                                > come from, and what are we hoping it proves.
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