Re: [WKneedle] need help
- At 08:49 AM 21/01/2005, Melissa wrote:
>I am looking for a picture of a 1000 or 11th century King Henry IILady Cera,
>german Griffin. Pls let me know if you find one...
>Thanks Lady Cera..
Can I just clarify? You would like an image, of a griffin, from the period
of the reign of King Henry II?
I checked the Sternenmantel of Heinrich II
there are no griffins. Another is the Kaisermantel of Otto IV, while it has
some very cute lions, no griffins.
The closest in time that I can find would be an image of a griffin from the
chasuble made for Thomas a Beckett in Spain in 1116. A drawing of it is
available in an old edition of "Embroidery" magazine, Vol 18, No 4, Winter 1967
This is a two page article with line drawings of griffins from several
historical embroideries, all covering the SCA period.
- Hi Cera,
OK, what I discovered...and I'm assuming that you are talking about Henry II
of England (1154-1189), was that he lived at a time when his contemporaries
were Frederich I of Germany, Louis VII of France and Roger II of Sicily.
Some of the royal garments done to honer the Norman kings in Sicily were
made in Palermo and later became the garments used by the Holy Roman
Emperors. Some of these garments can be seen today in Vienna's
One of these garments was an "alb" created in about 1181 for the Sicilian
Norman King's coronation.
This royal tunic worn on the outside was highly decorate with rows of
pearls, gold metal thread and wonderful silk fabrics. The trim or border at
each elbow on the sleeve has griffins "addorsed". The griffins also appear
on the bottom border of the alb. The border on the sleeve and the border at
the bottom of the alb may have been added later on around 1220. From my
book, I can barely see a figure on the sleeve "elbow trim" and I can't see
what's on the bottom. The text talks about the griffins, but the photos
aren't close up enough for me to see. I would guess that griffins of this
time period may look somewhat primitive as do the lions...meaning somewhat
long and skinny without much detail.
OK, now here's where my memory is lacking...I think the griffins had a
symbolic meaning in Arab culture, and I believe the Moors occupied Sicily
right before the Normans. So that much of the embroidery design you will
see on the Sicilian Norman clothing reflects the Arab culture, and in fact
you will actually find "Kufic" lettering on some of the garments such as the
famous robe with the Camel & Lion fighting.
Hope some of this helps,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Melissa" <melissadavenport2002@...>
Sent: Jan 20, 2005 1:49 PM
Subject: [WKneedle] need help
I am looking for a picture of a 1000 or 11th century King Henry II
german Griffin. Pls let me know if you find one...
Thanks Lady Cera..
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