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  • k0og
    This is kind of a silly question, but more for curiosity s sake... On the Winmor modem my ID is in CW (single-tone), yet I notice that many others are in FSK.
    Message 1 of 11 , Apr 27, 2013
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      This is kind of a silly question, but more for curiosity's sake...

      On the Winmor modem my ID is in CW (single-tone), yet I notice that many others are in FSK. In the V4 modem my ID is in FSK. Can I set it to CW instead? I looked in the .ini file but saw no option for that.

      73,
      -Joe-
    • la7um
      Joe. If using IC7200 or IC7600, or Kenw TS590, with inbuilt soundcard you get pure CW . If using external SignaLink USB you get FSK version. 73. Finn/LA7UM
      Message 2 of 11 , Apr 27, 2013
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        Joe. If using IC7200 or IC7600, or Kenw TS590, with inbuilt soundcard you get "pure CW". If using external SignaLink USB you get FSK version. 73. Finn/LA7UM

        --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@...> wrote:
        >
        > This is kind of a silly question, but more for curiosity's sake...
        >
        > On the Winmor modem my ID is in CW (single-tone), yet I notice that many others are in FSK. In the V4 modem my ID is in FSK. Can I set it to CW instead? I looked in the .ini file but saw no option for that.
        >
        > 73,
        > -Joe-
        >
      • k0og
        Finn, thanks for your observations. I m using an old but reliable Creative AudioPCI (Sound Blaster) sound card in my WinXP PC. With this same system, I get
        Message 3 of 11 , Apr 28, 2013
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          Finn, thanks for your observations.

          I'm using an old but reliable Creative AudioPCI (Sound Blaster) sound card in my WinXP PC. With this same system, I get different results with Winmor than I do with V4 when issuing the Morse-code ID. I find no parameter that would control the ID behavior in the .ini files for RMS Express/Winmor nor V4.

          -Joe-

          --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "la7um" <la7um@...> wrote:
          >
          > Joe. If using IC7200 or IC7600, or Kenw TS590, with inbuilt soundcard you get "pure CW". If using external SignaLink USB you get FSK version. 73. Finn/LA7UM
          >
          > --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@> wrote:
          > >
          > > This is kind of a silly question, but more for curiosity's sake...
          > >
          > > On the Winmor modem my ID is in CW (single-tone), yet I notice that many others are in FSK. In the V4 modem my ID is in FSK. Can I set it to CW instead? I looked in the .ini file but saw no option for that.
          > >
          > > 73,
          > > -Joe-
          > >
          >
        • la7um
          Joe. I observed on the RMS Express using Winmor, and on RMS Trimode. Did not so far check on myself on V4. We need inventor of both, Rick, chiming in. I
          Message 4 of 11 , Apr 29, 2013
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            Joe. I observed on the RMS Express using Winmor, and on RMS Trimode. Did not so far check on myself on V4. We need inventor of both, Rick, chiming in.

            I believe the soundcard and way of keying is part of the issue.
            Finn/LA7UM

            --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@...> wrote:
            >
            > Finn, thanks for your observations.
            >
            > I'm using an old but reliable Creative AudioPCI (Sound Blaster) sound card in my WinXP PC. With this same system, I get different results with Winmor than I do with V4 when issuing the Morse-code ID. I find no parameter that would control the ID behavior in the .ini files for RMS Express/Winmor nor V4.
            >
            > -Joe-
            >
            > --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "la7um" <la7um@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Joe. If using IC7200 or IC7600, or Kenw TS590, with inbuilt soundcard you get "pure CW". If using external SignaLink USB you get FSK version. 73. Finn/LA7UM
            > >
            > > --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > This is kind of a silly question, but more for curiosity's sake...
            > > >
            > > > On the Winmor modem my ID is in CW (single-tone), yet I notice that many others are in FSK. In the V4 modem my ID is in FSK. Can I set it to CW instead? I looked in the .ini file but saw no option for that.
            > > >
            > > > 73,
            > > > -Joe-
            > > >
            > >
            >
          • Rick Muething
            Joe, All, The keying methods for WINMOR and V4 are similar. There are several possible methods.... any will work when set up correctly. 1) VOX or VOX type
            Message 5 of 11 , Apr 29, 2013
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              Joe, All,
               
              The keying methods for WINMOR and V4 are similar. There are several possible methods.... any will work when set up correctly.
               
              1) VOX or VOX type keying.  The virtual TNC adds a longer leader to allow the transmitter VOX (or in the case of a sound activated PTT like on the SignaLink USB or similar interfaces) to key the transmitter.  If using the SignaLink  you MUST have the PTT output wired to the radio and you MUST keep the DLY control fully CCW. For Transmitter VOX you should have the VOX hold or delay set to minimum.
               
              2) Using a the DTR or RTS signals of a dedicated serial port.  This may have to be level shifted or go through a relay to key the transmitter.
               
              3) On those radios that support “CAT PTT” the software will issue a PTT ON/OFF command to the software.
               
              The Help should elaborate on these methods and how to set them up.
               
              The acid test is to look at the T>R  latency as measured when calling for a connection. No matter which method you use the latency must be < 250 ms.
               
              73,
               
              Rick KN6KB
               
               
              From: la7um
              Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:32 PM
              Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: FSK CW ID
               
               

              Joe. I observed on the RMS Express using Winmor, and on RMS Trimode. Did not so far check on myself on V4. We need inventor of both, Rick, chiming in.

              I believe the soundcard and way of keying is part of the issue.
              Finn/LA7UM

              --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@...> wrote:

              >
              > Finn, thanks for your
              observations.
              >
              > I'm using an old but reliable Creative AudioPCI
              (Sound Blaster) sound card in my WinXP PC. With this same system, I get different results with Winmor than I do with V4 when issuing the Morse-code ID. I find no parameter that would control the ID behavior in the .ini files for RMS Express/Winmor nor V4.
              >
              > -Joe-
              >
              > --- In
              href="mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com">mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "la7um" <la7um@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Joe. If using IC7200 or
              IC7600, or Kenw TS590, with inbuilt soundcard you get "pure CW". If using external SignaLink USB you get FSK version. 73. Finn/LA7UM
              > >
              > > --- In
              href="mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com">mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > This is kind
              of a silly question, but more for curiosity's sake...
              > > >
              > > > On the Winmor modem my ID is in CW (single-tone), yet I notice that
              many others are in FSK. In the V4 modem my ID is in FSK. Can I set it to CW instead? I looked in the .ini file but saw no option for that.
              > > >
              > > > 73,
              > > > -Joe-
              > > >
              > >
              >

            • k0og
              Rick, Thanks for the info. I m using the Creative AudioPCI for audio transport, and a serial-port circuit (RTS pin with 2N2222 and a base resistor & diode)
              Message 6 of 11 , Apr 30, 2013
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                Rick,

                Thanks for the info. I'm using the Creative AudioPCI for audio transport, and a serial-port circuit (RTS pin with 2N2222 and a base resistor & diode) for PTT. I observe my latency to be between 30ms and 60ms when sending connection requests. What seems strange to me is that with the exact same hardware I get the two-tone ID on V4 but CW (single-tone) ID on Winmor. I have both software packages set up identically in terms of using CAT for frequency control and serial-port PTT control. I do not use CAT for PTT.

                73,
                -Joe-

                --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@...> wrote:
                >
                > Joe, All,
                >
                > The keying methods for WINMOR and V4 are similar. There are several possible methods.... any will work when set up correctly.
                >
                > 1) VOX or VOX type keying. The virtual TNC adds a longer leader to allow the transmitter VOX (or in the case of a sound activated PTT like on the SignaLink USB or similar interfaces) to key the transmitter. If using the SignaLink you MUST have the PTT output wired to the radio and you MUST keep the DLY control fully CCW. For Transmitter VOX you should have the VOX hold or delay set to minimum.
                >
                > 2) Using a the DTR or RTS signals of a dedicated serial port. This may have to be level shifted or go through a relay to key the transmitter.
                >
                > 3) On those radios that support “CAT PTT” the software will issue a PTT ON/OFF command to the software.
                >
                > The Help should elaborate on these methods and how to set them up.
                >
                > The acid test is to look at the T>R latency as measured when calling for a connection. No matter which method you use the latency must be < 250 ms.
                >
                > 73,
                >
                > Rick KN6KB
                >
                >
                > From: la7um
                > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:32 PM
                > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: FSK CW ID
                >
                >
                > Joe. I observed on the RMS Express using Winmor, and on RMS Trimode. Did not so far check on myself on V4. We need inventor of both, Rick, chiming in.
                >
                > I believe the soundcard and way of keying is part of the issue.
                > Finn/LA7UM
                >
                > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Finn, thanks for your observations.
                > >
                > > I'm using an old but reliable Creative AudioPCI (Sound Blaster) sound card in my WinXP PC. With this same system, I get different results with Winmor than I do with V4 when issuing the Morse-code ID. I find no parameter that would control the ID behavior in the .ini files for RMS Express/Winmor nor V4.
                > >
                > > -Joe-
                > >
                > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "la7um" <la7um@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Joe. If using IC7200 or IC7600, or Kenw TS590, with inbuilt soundcard you get "pure CW". If using external SignaLink USB you get FSK version. 73. Finn/LA7UM
                > > >
                > > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@> wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > This is kind of a silly question, but more for curiosity's sake...
                > > > >
                > > > > On the Winmor modem my ID is in CW (single-tone), yet I notice that many others are in FSK. In the V4 modem my ID is in FSK. Can I set it to CW instead? I looked in the .ini file but saw no option for that.
                > > > >
                > > > > 73,
                > > > > -Joe-
                > > > >
                > > >
                > >
                >
              • Rick Muething
                Joe, That sounds like a bug in the V4 CWID...it is supposed to drop back to ON OFF keying (single tone) if VOX keying is not used. The only reason you need
                Message 7 of 11 , Apr 30, 2013
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                  Joe,
                   
                  That sounds like a bug in the V4 CWID...it is supposed to drop back to ON OFF keying (single tone) if VOX keying is not used.  The only reason you need FSK keying is to keep the VOX relay from chattering.  Of course it only affects the ID and both ON OFF keying and FSK CW are legal ID.
                   
                  Rick
                   
                   
                  From: k0og
                  Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:05 AM
                  Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: FSK CW ID
                   
                   

                  Rick,

                  Thanks for the info. I'm using the Creative AudioPCI for audio transport, and a serial-port circuit (RTS pin with 2N2222 and a base resistor & diode) for PTT. I observe my latency to be between 30ms and 60ms when sending connection requests. What seems strange to me is that with the exact same hardware I get the two-tone ID on V4 but CW (single-tone) ID on Winmor. I have both software packages set up identically in terms of using CAT for frequency control and serial-port PTT control. I do not use CAT for PTT.

                  73,
                  -Joe-

                  --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@...> wrote:

                  >
                  > Joe, All,
                  >
                  > The keying methods for WINMOR and V4 are similar. There are several
                  possible methods.... any will work when set up correctly.
                  >
                  > 1)
                  VOX or VOX type keying. The virtual TNC adds a longer leader to allow the transmitter VOX (or in the case of a sound activated PTT like on the SignaLink USB or similar interfaces) to key the transmitter. If using the SignaLink you MUST have the PTT output wired to the radio and you MUST keep the DLY control fully CCW. For Transmitter VOX you should have the VOX hold or delay set to minimum.
                  >
                  > 2) Using a the DTR or RTS signals of a dedicated
                  serial port. This may have to be level shifted or go through a relay to key the transmitter.
                  >
                  > 3) On those radios that support “CAT PTT” the
                  software will issue a PTT ON/OFF command to the software.
                  >
                  > The
                  Help should elaborate on these methods and how to set them up.
                  >
                  >
                  The acid test is to look at the T>R latency as measured when calling for a connection. No matter which method you use the latency must be < 250 ms.
                  >
                  > 73,
                  >
                  > Rick KN6KB
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  From: la7um
                  > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:32 PM
                  > To:
                  href="mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com">mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: FSK CW ID
                  >
                  >
                  > Joe. I
                  observed on the RMS Express using Winmor, and on RMS Trimode. Did not so far check on myself on V4. We need inventor of both, Rick, chiming in.
                  >
                  > I believe the soundcard and way of keying is part of the issue.
                  >
                  Finn/LA7UM
                  >
                  > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og"
                  <counsil@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Finn, thanks for your
                  observations.
                  > >
                  > > I'm using an old but reliable Creative
                  AudioPCI (Sound Blaster) sound card in my WinXP PC. With this same system, I get different results with Winmor than I do with V4 when issuing the Morse-code ID. I find no parameter that would control the ID behavior in the .ini files for RMS Express/Winmor nor V4.
                  > >
                  > > -Joe-
                  > >
                  > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "la7um" <la7um@>
                  wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Joe. If using IC7200 or IC7600, or
                  Kenw TS590, with inbuilt soundcard you get "pure CW". If using external SignaLink USB you get FSK version. 73. Finn/LA7UM
                  > > >
                  > > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@>
                  wrote:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > This is kind of a silly
                  question, but more for curiosity's sake...
                  > > > >
                  > > > > On the Winmor modem my ID is in CW (single-tone), yet I notice that
                  many others are in FSK. In the V4 modem my ID is in FSK. Can I set it to CW instead? I looked in the .ini file but saw no option for that.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > 73,
                  > > > > -Joe-
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > >
                  >

                • k0og
                  Rick, Ahhh - there s a clue! I ll double-check the settings in V4 to make sure I don t have VOX enabled anywhere. I ll report back to the group after I check
                  Message 8 of 11 , Apr 30, 2013
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                    Rick,

                    Ahhh - there's a clue! I'll double-check the settings in V4 to make sure I don't have VOX enabled anywhere. I'll report back to the group after I check that.

                    Thanks & 73,
                    -Joe-

                    --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Joe,
                    >
                    > That sounds like a bug in the V4 CWID...it is supposed to drop back to ON OFF keying (single tone) if VOX keying is not used. The only reason you need FSK keying is to keep the VOX relay from chattering. Of course it only affects the ID and both ON OFF keying and FSK CW are legal ID.
                    >
                    > Rick
                    >
                    >
                    > From: k0og
                    > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:05 AM
                    > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: FSK CW ID
                    >
                    >
                    > Rick,
                    >
                    > Thanks for the info. I'm using the Creative AudioPCI for audio transport, and a serial-port circuit (RTS pin with 2N2222 and a base resistor & diode) for PTT. I observe my latency to be between 30ms and 60ms when sending connection requests. What seems strange to me is that with the exact same hardware I get the two-tone ID on V4 but CW (single-tone) ID on Winmor. I have both software packages set up identically in terms of using CAT for frequency control and serial-port PTT control. I do not use CAT for PTT.
                    >
                    > 73,
                    > -Joe-
                    >
                    > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Joe, All,
                    > >
                    > > The keying methods for WINMOR and V4 are similar. There are several possible methods.... any will work when set up correctly.
                    > >
                    > > 1) VOX or VOX type keying. The virtual TNC adds a longer leader to allow the transmitter VOX (or in the case of a sound activated PTT like on the SignaLink USB or similar interfaces) to key the transmitter. If using the SignaLink you MUST have the PTT output wired to the radio and you MUST keep the DLY control fully CCW. For Transmitter VOX you should have the VOX hold or delay set to minimum.
                    > >
                    > > 2) Using a the DTR or RTS signals of a dedicated serial port. This may have to be level shifted or go through a relay to key the transmitter.
                    > >
                    > > 3) On those radios that support “CAT PTT” the software will issue a PTT ON/OFF command to the software.
                    > >
                    > > The Help should elaborate on these methods and how to set them up.
                    > >
                    > > The acid test is to look at the T>R latency as measured when calling for a connection. No matter which method you use the latency must be < 250 ms.
                    > >
                    > > 73,
                    > >
                    > > Rick KN6KB
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > From: la7um
                    > > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:32 PM
                    > > To: mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com
                    > > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: FSK CW ID
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Joe. I observed on the RMS Express using Winmor, and on RMS Trimode. Did not so far check on myself on V4. We need inventor of both, Rick, chiming in.
                    > >
                    > > I believe the soundcard and way of keying is part of the issue.
                    > > Finn/LA7UM
                    > >
                    > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Finn, thanks for your observations.
                    > > >
                    > > > I'm using an old but reliable Creative AudioPCI (Sound Blaster) sound card in my WinXP PC. With this same system, I get different results with Winmor than I do with V4 when issuing the Morse-code ID. I find no parameter that would control the ID behavior in the .ini files for RMS Express/Winmor nor V4.
                    > > >
                    > > > -Joe-
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "la7um" <la7um@> wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Joe. If using IC7200 or IC7600, or Kenw TS590, with inbuilt soundcard you get "pure CW". If using external SignaLink USB you get FSK version. 73. Finn/LA7UM
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@> wrote:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > This is kind of a silly question, but more for curiosity's sake...
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > On the Winmor modem my ID is in CW (single-tone), yet I notice that many others are in FSK. In the V4 modem my ID is in FSK. Can I set it to CW instead? I looked in the .ini file but saw no option for that.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > 73,
                    > > > > > -Joe-
                    > > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    >
                  • k0og
                    Rick, I just did some more studying and testing, and have to conclude that there is indeed a bug in the software. When I use either CAT or serial-port PTT, it
                    Message 9 of 11 , Apr 30, 2013
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                      Rick,

                      I just did some more studying and testing, and have to conclude that there is indeed a bug in the software. When I use either CAT or serial-port PTT, it still uses the dual-tone ID.

                      73,
                      -Joe-

                      --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Rick,
                      >
                      > Ahhh - there's a clue! I'll double-check the settings in V4 to make sure I don't have VOX enabled anywhere. I'll report back to the group after I check that.
                      >
                      > Thanks & 73,
                      > -Joe-
                      >
                      > --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Joe,
                      > >
                      > > That sounds like a bug in the V4 CWID...it is supposed to drop back to ON OFF keying (single tone) if VOX keying is not used. The only reason you need FSK keying is to keep the VOX relay from chattering. Of course it only affects the ID and both ON OFF keying and FSK CW are legal ID.
                      > >
                      > > Rick
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > From: k0og
                      > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:05 AM
                      > > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: FSK CW ID
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Rick,
                      > >
                      > > Thanks for the info. I'm using the Creative AudioPCI for audio transport, and a serial-port circuit (RTS pin with 2N2222 and a base resistor & diode) for PTT. I observe my latency to be between 30ms and 60ms when sending connection requests. What seems strange to me is that with the exact same hardware I get the two-tone ID on V4 but CW (single-tone) ID on Winmor. I have both software packages set up identically in terms of using CAT for frequency control and serial-port PTT control. I do not use CAT for PTT.
                      > >
                      > > 73,
                      > > -Joe-
                      > >
                      > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Joe, All,
                      > > >
                      > > > The keying methods for WINMOR and V4 are similar. There are several possible methods.... any will work when set up correctly.
                      > > >
                      > > > 1) VOX or VOX type keying. The virtual TNC adds a longer leader to allow the transmitter VOX (or in the case of a sound activated PTT like on the SignaLink USB or similar interfaces) to key the transmitter. If using the SignaLink you MUST have the PTT output wired to the radio and you MUST keep the DLY control fully CCW. For Transmitter VOX you should have the VOX hold or delay set to minimum.
                      > > >
                      > > > 2) Using a the DTR or RTS signals of a dedicated serial port. This may have to be level shifted or go through a relay to key the transmitter.
                      > > >
                      > > > 3) On those radios that support “CAT PTT” the software will issue a PTT ON/OFF command to the software.
                      > > >
                      > > > The Help should elaborate on these methods and how to set them up.
                      > > >
                      > > > The acid test is to look at the T>R latency as measured when calling for a connection. No matter which method you use the latency must be < 250 ms.
                      > > >
                      > > > 73,
                      > > >
                      > > > Rick KN6KB
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > From: la7um
                      > > > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:32 PM
                      > > > To: mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com
                      > > > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: FSK CW ID
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Joe. I observed on the RMS Express using Winmor, and on RMS Trimode. Did not so far check on myself on V4. We need inventor of both, Rick, chiming in.
                      > > >
                      > > > I believe the soundcard and way of keying is part of the issue.
                      > > > Finn/LA7UM
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Finn, thanks for your observations.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I'm using an old but reliable Creative AudioPCI (Sound Blaster) sound card in my WinXP PC. With this same system, I get different results with Winmor than I do with V4 when issuing the Morse-code ID. I find no parameter that would control the ID behavior in the .ini files for RMS Express/Winmor nor V4.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > -Joe-
                      > > > >
                      > > > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "la7um" <la7um@> wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Joe. If using IC7200 or IC7600, or Kenw TS590, with inbuilt soundcard you get "pure CW". If using external SignaLink USB you get FSK version. 73. Finn/LA7UM
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@> wrote:
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > This is kind of a silly question, but more for curiosity's sake...
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > On the Winmor modem my ID is in CW (single-tone), yet I notice that many others are in FSK. In the V4 modem my ID is in FSK. Can I set it to CW instead? I looked in the .ini file but saw no option for that.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > 73,
                      > > > > > > -Joe-
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                    • Rick Muething
                      Joe, It may be that I just didn’t enable the ON OFF keying....As I said it is a minor issue.... It is just the legal ID . Anyone running V4 can copy the ID
                      Message 10 of 11 , Apr 30, 2013
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                        Joe,
                         
                        It may be that I just didn’t enable the ON OFF keying....As I said it is a minor issue.... It is just the legal ID .  Anyone running V4 can copy the ID on the screen.  I Don’t have the time right now to go and and work on that.
                         
                        Rick KN6KB
                         
                         
                        From: k0og
                        Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:28 PM
                        Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: FSK CW ID
                         
                         

                        Rick,

                        I just did some more studying and testing, and have to conclude that there is indeed a bug in the software. When I use either CAT or serial-port PTT, it still uses the dual-tone ID.

                        73,
                        -Joe-

                        --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@...> wrote:

                        >
                        > Rick,
                        >
                        > Ahhh -
                        there's a clue! I'll double-check the settings in V4 to make sure I don't have VOX enabled anywhere. I'll report back to the group after I check that.
                        >
                        > Thanks & 73,
                        > -Joe-
                        >
                        > --- In
                        href="mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com">mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Joe,
                        > >
                        > > That sounds like a bug in the V4 CWID...it is supposed to
                        drop back to ON OFF keying (single tone) if VOX keying is not used. The only reason you need FSK keying is to keep the VOX relay from chattering. Of course it only affects the ID and both ON OFF keying and FSK CW are legal ID.
                        > >
                        > > Rick
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > From: k0og
                        > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:05 AM
                        > > To:
                        href="mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com">mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com
                        > > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: FSK CW ID
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Rick,
                        > >
                        > > Thanks for the info. I'm using
                        the Creative AudioPCI for audio transport, and a serial-port circuit (RTS pin with 2N2222 and a base resistor & diode) for PTT. I observe my latency to be between 30ms and 60ms when sending connection requests. What seems strange to me is that with the exact same hardware I get the two-tone ID on V4 but CW (single-tone) ID on Winmor. I have both software packages set up identically in terms of using CAT for frequency control and serial-port PTT control. I do not use CAT for PTT.
                        > >
                        > > 73,
                        > > -Joe-
                        > >
                        > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething"
                        <rmuething@> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Joe, All,
                        > > >
                        > > > The keying methods for WINMOR and V4 are similar.
                        There are several possible methods.... any will work when set up correctly.
                        > > >
                        > > > 1) VOX or VOX type keying. The
                        virtual TNC adds a longer leader to allow the transmitter VOX (or in the case of a sound activated PTT like on the SignaLink USB or similar interfaces) to key the transmitter. If using the SignaLink you MUST have the PTT output wired to the radio and you MUST keep the DLY control fully CCW. For Transmitter VOX you should have the VOX hold or delay set to minimum.
                        > > >
                        > > > 2) Using a the DTR or RTS signals of a dedicated serial port. This may
                        have to be level shifted or go through a relay to key the transmitter.
                        > > >
                        > > > 3) On those radios that support “CAT PTT”
                        the software will issue a PTT ON/OFF command to the software.
                        > > >
                        > > > The Help should elaborate on these methods and how to set
                        them up.
                        > > >
                        > > > The acid test is to look at the
                        T>R latency as measured when calling for a connection. No matter which method you use the latency must be < 250 ms.
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        73,
                        > > >
                        > > > Rick KN6KB
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > From: la7um
                        > > > Sent: Monday, April
                        29, 2013 5:32 PM
                        > > > To: mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com
                        > > > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: FSK CW ID
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Joe. I observed on the RMS Express using
                        Winmor, and on RMS Trimode. Did not so far check on myself on V4. We need inventor of both, Rick, chiming in.
                        > > >
                        > > > I
                        believe the soundcard and way of keying is part of the issue.
                        > > >
                        Finn/LA7UM
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In
                        mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@> wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Finn, thanks for your observations.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I'm using an old but reliable Creative
                        AudioPCI (Sound Blaster) sound card in my WinXP PC. With this same system, I get different results with Winmor than I do with V4 when issuing the Morse-code ID. I find no parameter that would control the ID behavior in the .ini files for RMS Express/Winmor nor V4.
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        -Joe-
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --- In
                        mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "la7um" <la7um@> wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Joe. If using IC7200 or IC7600, or
                        Kenw TS590, with inbuilt soundcard you get "pure CW". If using external SignaLink USB you get FSK version. 73. Finn/LA7UM
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og"
                        <counsil@> wrote:
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > This is kind of a silly question, but more for curiosity's
                        sake...
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > On
                        the Winmor modem my ID is in CW (single-tone), yet I notice that many others are in FSK. In the V4 modem my ID is in FSK. Can I set it to CW instead? I looked in the .ini file but saw no option for that.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > 73,
                        > > > > > >
                        -Joe-
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >

                      • k0og
                        Rick, Yes, it is a minor issue - no problem putting it on the back burner to get to when it is convenient. Thanks for your efforts with V4 and Winmor - you ve
                        Message 11 of 11 , Apr 30, 2013
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                          Rick,

                          Yes, it is a minor issue - no problem putting it on the back burner to get to when it is convenient.

                          Thanks for your efforts with V4 and Winmor - you've brought some useful (and fun!) tools to us all.

                          73,
                          -Joe-

                          --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Joe,
                          >
                          > It may be that I just didn’t enable the ON OFF keying....As I said it is a minor issue.... It is just the legal ID . Anyone running V4 can copy the ID on the screen. I Don’t have the time right now to go and and work on that.
                          >
                          > Rick KN6KB
                          >
                          >
                          > From: k0og
                          > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:28 PM
                          > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
                          > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: FSK CW ID
                          >
                          >
                          > Rick,
                          >
                          > I just did some more studying and testing, and have to conclude that there is indeed a bug in the software. When I use either CAT or serial-port PTT, it still uses the dual-tone ID.
                          >
                          > 73,
                          > -Joe-
                          >
                          > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Rick,
                          > >
                          > > Ahhh - there's a clue! I'll double-check the settings in V4 to make sure I don't have VOX enabled anywhere. I'll report back to the group after I check that.
                          > >
                          > > Thanks & 73,
                          > > -Joe-
                          > >
                          > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Joe,
                          > > >
                          > > > That sounds like a bug in the V4 CWID...it is supposed to drop back to ON OFF keying (single tone) if VOX keying is not used. The only reason you need FSK keying is to keep the VOX relay from chattering. Of course it only affects the ID and both ON OFF keying and FSK CW are legal ID.
                          > > >
                          > > > Rick
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > From: k0og
                          > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:05 AM
                          > > > To: mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com
                          > > > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: FSK CW ID
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Rick,
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks for the info. I'm using the Creative AudioPCI for audio transport, and a serial-port circuit (RTS pin with 2N2222 and a base resistor & diode) for PTT. I observe my latency to be between 30ms and 60ms when sending connection requests. What seems strange to me is that with the exact same hardware I get the two-tone ID on V4 but CW (single-tone) ID on Winmor. I have both software packages set up identically in terms of using CAT for frequency control and serial-port PTT control. I do not use CAT for PTT.
                          > > >
                          > > > 73,
                          > > > -Joe-
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@> wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Joe, All,
                          > > > >
                          > > > > The keying methods for WINMOR and V4 are similar. There are several possible methods.... any will work when set up correctly.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 1) VOX or VOX type keying. The virtual TNC adds a longer leader to allow the transmitter VOX (or in the case of a sound activated PTT like on the SignaLink USB or similar interfaces) to key the transmitter. If using the SignaLink you MUST have the PTT output wired to the radio and you MUST keep the DLY control fully CCW. For Transmitter VOX you should have the VOX hold or delay set to minimum.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 2) Using a the DTR or RTS signals of a dedicated serial port. This may have to be level shifted or go through a relay to key the transmitter.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 3) On those radios that support “CAT PTT” the software will issue a PTT ON/OFF command to the software.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > The Help should elaborate on these methods and how to set them up.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > The acid test is to look at the T>R latency as measured when calling for a connection. No matter which method you use the latency must be < 250 ms.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 73,
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Rick KN6KB
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > From: la7um
                          > > > > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:32 PM
                          > > > > To: mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com
                          > > > > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: FSK CW ID
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Joe. I observed on the RMS Express using Winmor, and on RMS Trimode. Did not so far check on myself on V4. We need inventor of both, Rick, chiming in.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > I believe the soundcard and way of keying is part of the issue.
                          > > > > Finn/LA7UM
                          > > > >
                          > > > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@> wrote:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Finn, thanks for your observations.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > I'm using an old but reliable Creative AudioPCI (Sound Blaster) sound card in my WinXP PC. With this same system, I get different results with Winmor than I do with V4 when issuing the Morse-code ID. I find no parameter that would control the ID behavior in the .ini files for RMS Express/Winmor nor V4.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > -Joe-
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "la7um" <la7um@> wrote:
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Joe. If using IC7200 or IC7600, or Kenw TS590, with inbuilt soundcard you get "pure CW". If using external SignaLink USB you get FSK version. 73. Finn/LA7UM
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > --- In mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com, "k0og" <counsil@> wrote:
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > This is kind of a silly question, but more for curiosity's sake...
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > On the Winmor modem my ID is in CW (single-tone), yet I notice that many others are in FSK. In the V4 modem my ID is in FSK. Can I set it to CW instead? I looked in the .ini file but saw no option for that.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > 73,
                          > > > > > > > -Joe-
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >
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