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  • la7um
    Rick...The best answer to date!! Ha Ha. HIHI, you got me.....and MAYBE quite an unverified number of others as well. I must be both. Riding two horses, running
    Message 1 of 12 , Oct 19, 2011
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      Rick...The best answer to date!! Ha Ha. HIHI, you got me.....and MAYBE quite an unverified number of others as well. I must be both. Riding two horses, running WINMOR and V4Chat at the same time.

      This seems working well. Just leave V4 in FEC mode while running WINMOR, and don't leave WINMOR in Peer to Peer mode while running V4

      73. Finn/LA7UM

      --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@...> wrote:
      >
      > Finn,
      >
      > It’s a trivial change...one line of code and I’ll probably change it. But I have a BASIC problem with trying to second guess how users set up the ONE and ONLY basic setup menu because they won’t read the help. What’s next? Guess their call sign and grid square? Assume a specific sound card? How about assuming they must be using an Icom 7200 radio on Com1? When you buy a radio they don’t have all the knobs in the default position!
      >
      > An alternate approach would be to not to default ANYTHING and then force them to read the help because the form would not close until everything had been selected!
      >
      > I guess it comes down to answering the question: Are you a libertarian or a socialist?
      >
      > 73,
      >
      > Rick KN6KB
      >
      >
      > From: la7um
      > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 PM
      > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: Problem with Entry Text Box
      >
      >
      > After some qsos observing typical operator errors, I am pretty sure that the DEFAULT should be changed from CTRL CR to CR, but keeping all three options.
      >
      > This would eliminate a lot of frustrated operators who don't even read the "#$$ manual after all else fails.
      >
      > The options, especially the ctrl cr is very handy if you want to edit the stuff after entering just a CR.
      > And it is perfectly ok using this OPTION, after DELIBERATELY having chosen it, since then it dramatically increases the statistical probability that the operator now KNOWS what to do.
      >
      > 73 de la7um Finn
      >
    • Ron Werthman
      I m in absolute agreement with Rick on this one.  If users can t be bothered reading the help they deserve some frustration !  I m in absolute agreement with
      Message 2 of 12 , Oct 19, 2011
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        I'm in absolute agreement with Rick on this one.  If users can't be bothered reading the help they deserve some frustration ! 
      • Fred G -w1wyc
        Ron, The problem is they take their frustation out on Rick..... Fred, W1WYC ... From: Ron Werthman To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19,
        Message 3 of 12 , Oct 19, 2011
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          Ron,
           
          The problem is they take their frustation out on Rick.....
           
          Fred, W1WYC
           
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:06 AM
          Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: Problem with Entry Text Box

           

          I'm in absolute agreement with Rick on this one.  If users can't be bothered reading the help they deserve some frustration ! 

        • Rick Muething
          All, Understanding the “Send” or “move to outbound queue” function is fundamental to being able to use the program. Actually the more I think about it
          Message 4 of 12 , Oct 19, 2011
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            All,
            Understanding the “Send” or “move to outbound queue” function is fundamental to being able to use the program.
            Actually the more I think about it the easiest way and best to encourage the user may be this:
            1) If there is no call sign   (as in the initial startup) the Set up menu will pop up.
            2) Instead of defaulting one of the three options to the “Send” function I’ll default to none checked.
            3) Upon an attempt to “Update” I’ll pop up a  MSG box if none of the “Send” options has been selected advising they select one and/or read the help (requires clicking the Setup Help button which displays the full details and explanation of the setup screen).
             
            This may at least get them to read one of the more important pages of the help since they won’t be able to operate at all without saving the setup (which has the call sign).
             
            Maybe this is going to far?  I seem to recall some axiom about “when you finally make something idiot proof only idiots will use it!”
            Comments?
             
            Rick KN6KB
             
            Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:37 AM
            Subject: Re: [V4Protocol] Re: Problem with Entry Text Box
             
             

            Ron,
             
            The problem is they take their frustation out on Rick.....
             
            Fred, W1WYC
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:06 AM
            Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: Problem with Entry Text Box
             
             

            I'm in absolute agreement with Rick on this one.  If users can't be bothered reading the help they deserve some frustration ! 
          • la7um
            Ha ha... Thanks for the complement...I cannot be a complete idiot then...got the beta-keycode...but probably being a Radiot anyway... does that count??? 73.
            Message 5 of 12 , Oct 19, 2011
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              Ha ha... Thanks for the complement...I cannot be a complete idiot then...got the beta-keycode...but probably being a Radiot anyway... does that count??? 73. Finn/LA7UM

              --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@...> wrote:
              >
              > All,
              > Understanding the “Send” or “move to outbound queue” function is fundamental to being able to use the program.
              > Actually the more I think about it the easiest way and best to encourage the user may be this:
              > 1) If there is no call sign (as in the initial startup) the Set up menu will pop up.
              > 2) Instead of defaulting one of the three options to the “Send” function I’ll default to none checked.
              > 3) Upon an attempt to “Update” I’ll pop up a MSG box if none of the “Send” options has been selected advising they select one and/or read the help (requires clicking the Setup Help button which displays the full details and explanation of the setup screen).
              >
              > This may at least get them to read one of the more important pages of the help since they won’t be able to operate at all without saving the setup (which has the call sign).
              >
              > Maybe this is going to far? I seem to recall some axiom about “when you finally make something idiot proof only idiots will use it!”
              > Comments?
              >
              > Rick KN6KB
              >
              > From: Fred G -w1wyc
              > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:37 AM
              > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: Re: [V4Protocol] Re: Problem with Entry Text Box
              >
              >
              >
              > Ron,
              >
              > The problem is they take their frustation out on Rick.....
              >
              > Fred, W1WYC
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Ron Werthman
              > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:06 AM
              > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: Problem with Entry Text Box
              >
              >
              >
              > I'm in absolute agreement with Rick on this one. If users can't be bothered reading the help they deserve some frustration !
              >
            • la7um
              I try second time. First was a joke. Did not pop up. This one is serious. Maybe Ricks suggestion really IS good. Forcing the users make a deliberate choice
              Message 6 of 12 , Oct 22, 2011
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                I try second time. First was a joke. Did not pop up. This one is serious. Maybe Ricks suggestion really IS good. Forcing the users make a deliberate choice after reading something of the Help info.

                This issue really IS crucial making the V4CHAT SW WORK.

                73 Finn/LA7UM

                --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@...> wrote:
                >
                > All,
                > Understanding the “Send” or “move to outbound queue” function is fundamental to being able to use the program.
                > Actually the more I think about it the easiest way and best to encourage the user may be this:
                > 1) If there is no call sign (as in the initial startup) the Set up menu will pop up.
                > 2) Instead of defaulting one of the three options to the “Send” function I’ll default to none checked.
                > 3) Upon an attempt to “Update” I’ll pop up a MSG box if none of the “Send” options has been selected advising they select one and/or read the help (requires clicking the Setup Help button which displays the full details and explanation of the setup screen).
                >
                > This may at least get them to read one of the more important pages of the help since they won’t be able to operate at all without saving the setup (which has the call sign).
                >
                > Maybe this is going to far? I seem to recall some axiom about “when you finally make something idiot proof only idiots will use it!”
                > Comments?
                >
                > Rick KN6KB
                >
                > From: Fred G -w1wyc
                > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:37 AM
                > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: Re: [V4Protocol] Re: Problem with Entry Text Box
                >
                >
                >
                > Ron,
                >
                > The problem is they take their frustation out on Rick.....
                >
                > Fred, W1WYC
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Ron Werthman
                > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:06 AM
                > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: Problem with Entry Text Box
                >
                >
                >
                > I'm in absolute agreement with Rick on this one. If users can't be bothered reading the help they deserve some frustration !
                >
              • la7um
                The posting below, #2507, took 12 days until popping up. Sorry. What did happen within the yahoo?....Mails from other also delayed? 73 de la7um Finn
                Message 7 of 12 , Oct 31, 2011
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                  The posting below, #2507, took 12 days until popping up. Sorry. What did happen within the yahoo?....Mails from other also delayed? 73 de la7um Finn

                  --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "la7um" <la7um@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Ha ha... Thanks for the complement...I cannot be a complete idiot then...got the beta-keycode...but probably being a Radiot anyway... does that count??? 73. Finn/LA7UM
                  >
                  > --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > All,
                  > > Understanding the “Send” or “move to outbound queue” function is fundamental to being able to use the program.
                  > > Actually the more I think about it the easiest way and best to encourage the user may be this:
                  > > 1) If there is no call sign (as in the initial startup) the Set up menu will pop up.
                  > > 2) Instead of defaulting one of the three options to the “Send” function I’ll default to none checked.
                  > > 3) Upon an attempt to “Update” I’ll pop up a MSG box if none of the “Send” options has been selected advising they select one and/or read the help (requires clicking the Setup Help button which displays the full details and explanation of the setup screen).
                  > >
                  > > This may at least get them to read one of the more important pages of the help since they won’t be able to operate at all without saving the setup (which has the call sign).
                  > >
                  > > Maybe this is going to far? I seem to recall some axiom about “when you finally make something idiot proof only idiots will use it!”
                  > > Comments?
                  > >
                  > > Rick KN6KB
                  > >
                  > > From: Fred G -w1wyc
                  > > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:37 AM
                  > > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Subject: Re: [V4Protocol] Re: Problem with Entry Text Box
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Ron,
                  > >
                  > > The problem is they take their frustation out on Rick.....
                  > >
                  > > Fred, W1WYC
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: Ron Werthman
                  > > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:06 AM
                  > > Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: Problem with Entry Text Box
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > I'm in absolute agreement with Rick on this one. If users can't be bothered reading the help they deserve some frustration !
                  > >
                  >
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