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  • Siegfried Jackstien
    So we wait for end of the week :-) Dg9bfc Sigi
    Message 1 of 25 , Jul 19, 2011
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      So we wait for end of the week :-)
      Dg9bfc
      Sigi


      > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
      > Von: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com [mailto:V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com] Im
      > Auftrag von Rick Muething
      > Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2011 11:28
      > An: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
      > Betreff: [V4Protocol] Pending V4 Chat release 0.4.0.0
      >
      >
      >
      > All,
      >
      > I have been working a lot on the latest update that should solve a number
      > of observed problems. It still needs more testing on the simulator before
      > beta release but I hope to have it out by the end of the week. It will
      > require EVERYONE switch over as there is a compatibility issue with the
      > current version.
      >
      > Significant changes:
      >
      > 1) Data, ACK, NAK, and IDL frame keying to a specific ARQ Connection
      > (dramatically reducing the chance of a non connected station/QSO
      > contaminating a connected session.
      >
      > 2) Disconnect sequence to cleanly end a connected session.
      >
      > 3) Improved framing and frame tracking algorithm to accommodate framing
      > errors and sample rate errors up to .2% (2000 ppm.... a pretty large
      > sample rate error)
      >
      > 4) More reliable link changeover IRS>ISS and ISS>IRS.
      >
      > 5) Automatic measurement of your stations PTT Hold latency. (The time the
      > program commands PTT release until it sees first received audio). This
      > will help find and allow fixing of installations with excessive PTT hold
      > or Sound card latency (e.g. slow keying or improper SDR settings).
      >
      > 6) Automatic measurement and optimization of Link timing. Upon
      > initialization the reply time (time from End of data frame to ACK
      > received) is measured and used to optimize link timing. This allow for a
      > longer (more forgiving) initial value but a shorter (maximum throughput)
      > value after automatic optimization. The measured response time in ms is
      > logged.
      >
      > This (along with recovering from a back rev of source required due to to a
      > virus) required a lot of code changes and Help changes. I should be able
      > to get these all cleaned up and tested by the end of the week.
      >
      > 73,
      >
      > Rick KN6KB
      >
      >
    • Yussuf
      Looks good, Summer vacation here, 2nd day of 5 weeks! I m located now in KP42en and going soon to Lapland, there in mr. Santa Claus Land I will load v. 4.0.0.0
      Message 2 of 25 , Jul 19, 2011
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        Looks good,
        Summer vacation here, 2nd day of 5 weeks!

        I'm located now in KP42en and going soon to Lapland, there in mr. Santa Claus Land I will load v. 4.0.0.0 and be QRV  in loc  KP36cp by solar powered 180 Ah battery.
        I can run 100W to dipole there
        --
        73's OH7TE "Yussi"


      • la7um
        Yussy. I wonder if you ll manage LA3F-5 on WINMOR from Lapland as well. That would have been nice on 80m. I remote see you running now from KP20IE. You
        Message 3 of 25 , Jul 19, 2011
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          Yussy. I wonder if you'll manage LA3F-5 on WINMOR from Lapland as well.
          That would have been nice on 80m. I remote "see" you running now from KP20IE. You probably need goin 20m to Marc in Holland I presume.
          73. Finn/LA7UM

          --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, Yussuf <yufenau@...> wrote:
          >
          > Looks good,
          > Summer vacation here, 2nd day of 5 weeks!
          >
          > I'm located now in KP42en and going soon to Lapland, there in mr. Santa
          > Claus Land I will load v. 4.0.0.0 and be QRV in loc KP36cp by solar
          > powered 180 Ah battery.
          > I can run 100W to dipole there
          > --
          > 73's OH7TE "Yussi"
          >
        • jgmags2000
          To all V4 users, When the program was in its development stage many users showed much enthusiasm for the program and many helped with suggestions to help
          Message 4 of 25 , Dec 27, 2011
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            To all V4 users,
            When the program was in its development stage many users showed much enthusiasm for the program and many helped with suggestions to help Rick(KN6KB)in arriving at the final revision. Now that that has been achieved, the usage has dropped off considerably. With the increase in band openings there should be much more activity. Rick has worked extremely hard to give us V4Chat so.... with the new year upon us lets try to rekindle that enthusiasm we all had at the outset.

            Just my two cents worth.
            73 and happy New year
            John, KJ1J
          • Paul Whitaker
            Hi all, Its that time of the year - our summer tourist season - lots to do at the Drive-In Theatre. I am curious about activity on the bands, so will be
            Message 5 of 25 , Dec 28, 2011
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              Hi all,
              Its that time of the year - our summer tourist season - lots to do at the
              Drive-In Theatre.

              I am curious about activity on the bands, so will be leaving my system
              running on 14073 ARQ. Please feel free to connect etc. If Im not home, ill
              see the activity in due course, and report by this medium.

              Hope you all have a great 2012.

              Cheers

              Paul Whitaker.
              VK3DPW







              >
              >
              >To all V4 users,
              >When the program was in its development stage many users showed much
              >enthusiasm for the program and many helped with suggestions to help
              >Rick(KN6KB)in arriving at the final revision. Now that that has been
              >achieved, the usage has dropped off considerably. With the increase in
              >band openings there should be much more activity. Rick has worked
              >extremely hard to give us V4Chat so.... with the new year upon us lets try
              >to rekindle that enthusiasm we all had at the outset.
              >
              >Just my two cents worth.
              >73 and happy New year
              >John, KJ1J
              >
              >__._
            • Dave
              I tested V4 chat and made two contacts. I removed the program from my computer because (1) too hard to find users on the air and (2) the program appears to
              Message 6 of 25 , Dec 28, 2011
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                I tested V4 chat and made two contacts.
                I removed the program from my computer because (1) too hard to find users on the air and (2) the program appears to cost $25.
                Other modes are easier to use and make all the contacts I want.

                Dave
                AD2Q

                --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "jgmags2000" <jgmags2000@...> wrote:
                >
                > To all V4 users,
                > When the program was in its development stage many users showed much enthusiasm for the program and many helped with suggestions to help Rick(KN6KB)in arriving at the final revision. Now that that has been achieved, the usage has dropped off considerably. With the increase in band openings there should be much more activity. Rick has worked extremely hard to give us V4Chat so.... with the new year upon us lets try to rekindle that enthusiasm we all had at the outset.
                >
                > Just my two cents worth.
                > 73 and happy New year
                > John, KJ1J
                >
              • DC 7 FL Knut
                hallo hallo Dave, the appears.... it appears only.... You can read the answer from secretary@arsfi.org : As described in the WINMOR TNC help, RMS Express
                Message 7 of 25 , Dec 28, 2011
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                  hallo hallo Dave,
                  the appears.... it appears only....

                  You can read the answer from secretary@... :
                  "As described in the WINMOR TNC help, RMS Express Help, V4 TNC Help and
                  V4Chat Help Registration is ALWAYS optional and NEVER required."

                  73
                  DC7FL
                  Knut






                  from Dave>
                  > I tested V4 chat and made two contacts.
                  > I removed the program from my computer because (1) too hard to find
                  > users on the air and (2) the program appears to cost $25.
                  > Other modes are easier to use and make all the contacts I want.
                  >
                  > Dave
                  > AD2Q
                • Paul Whitaker
                  Hi all, Heard in the last 24 hours in Melbourne Australia - AA1CZ, 28/12/2011, 19:34 UTC W3BI 18:59 AA1CZ
                  Message 8 of 25 , Dec 28, 2011
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                    Hi all,
                    Heard in the last 24 hours in Melbourne Australia -
                    AA1CZ, 28/12/2011, 19:34 UTC
                    W3BI 18:59
                    AA1CZ 18:25
                    K6KAR 18:03

                    My station will respond if you try to connect.

                    Cheers

                    Paul.
                    VK3DPW
                  • Rick Johnson
                    Hi Paul, Which band were you on? I call from DC to Light bands trying to make a V4 QSO and usually no go. I will put your call in the box and see what
                    Message 9 of 25 , Dec 29, 2011
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                      Hi Paul,

                      Which band were you on?  I call from DC to Light bands trying to make a V4 QSO and usually no go.
                      I will put your call in the box and see what happens.

                      HNY & 73,
                      Rick W3BI

                      On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:27 AM, Paul Whitaker <dromana@...> wrote:
                       



                      Hi all,
                      Heard in the last 24 hours in Melbourne Australia -
                      AA1CZ, 28/12/2011, 19:34 UTC
                      W3BI 18:59
                      AA1CZ 18:25
                      K6KAR 18:03

                      My station will respond if you try to connect.

                      Cheers

                      Paul.
                      VK3DPW


                    • K6KAR
                      Paul, Connected to you this morning and left a message. Happy New Year Kirk, K6KAR From: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com [mailto:V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com] On
                      Message 10 of 25 , Dec 29, 2011
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                        Paul,

                         

                        Connected to you this morning and left a message. 

                         

                        Happy New Year

                         

                        Kirk, K6KAR

                         

                        From: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com [mailto:V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Whitaker
                        Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:27 AM
                        To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [V4Protocol] Heard in VK3

                         

                         



                        Hi all,
                        Heard in the last 24 hours in Melbourne Australia -
                        AA1CZ, 28/12/2011, 19:34 UTC
                        W3BI 18:59
                        AA1CZ 18:25
                        K6KAR 18:03

                        My station will respond if you try to connect.

                        Cheers

                        Paul.
                        VK3DPW

                      • Paul Whitaker
                        Hi all, More stations heard in VK3 in last 24 hours - 14073 - W2KI and K6KAR connected - 14:16 UTC PD9BTB 14:28 KJ5XF 20:14 And sorry K6KAR - I didnt
                        Message 11 of 25 , Dec 30, 2011
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                          Hi all,
                          More stations heard in VK3 in last 24 hours - 14073 -
                          W2KI and K6KAR connected - 14:16 UTC
                          PD9BTB 14:28
                          KJ5XF 20:14

                          And sorry K6KAR - I didnt realise you actually connected to me.....

                          Still listening 14073 V4 ARQ.

                          Ive also had some situations where low signals are not decoding, but other
                          times with excellent copy....
                          Still wondering...
                          I also have great success with Ham Radio Integrator, but V4 has a much
                          nicer interface.

                          Cheers and Happy New Year

                          Paul Whitaker.
                          VK3DPW
                        • Daniel V. Wolff, Jr.
                          The Holidays have passed and I ve been hoping to find more V4 stations active. There has been some on-the-air V4 activity but not anywhere near what I might
                          Message 12 of 25 , Feb 14, 2012
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                            The Holidays have passed and I’ve been hoping to find more V4 stations active.  There has been some on-the-air V4 activity but not anywhere near what I might have expected after the Holidays.  Perhaps what we need is a little more publicity.  It would be nice to see the V4 modem included in 3rd party programs, such as FLDigi, MultiPSK, and others.  At the same time, it would be nice to see an annual on-the-air event (i.e. V4 QSO party, V4 Roundup, etc.) to promote this mode.

                             

                            Just my open thoughts on the subject.  Even our V4-Chat Yahoo group has been rather quite.

                             

                             

                             


                            73,

                             

                            Daniel V. Wolff, Jr.
                            DL4VCW / KA7AGN / AEM1WF (MARS)
                            http://www.qsl.net/dl4vcw/

                             

                            Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED
                            Caveats: NONE

                             

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                            V4 CHAT

                            Posted by: "jgmags2000" jgmags2000@...   jgmags2000

                            Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:07 pm (PST)



                            To all V4 users,
                            When the program was in its development stage many users showed much enthusiasm for the program and many helped with suggestions to help Rick(KN6KB)in arriving at the final revision. Now that that has been achieved, the usage has dropped off considerably. With the increase in band openings there should be much more activity. Rick has worked extremely hard to give us V4Chat so.... with the new year upon us lets try to rekindle that enthusiasm we all had at the outset.

                            Just my two cents worth.
                            73 and happy New year
                            John, KJ1J

                             

                          • la7um
                            Daniel. I agree. I wonder if V4 could be downloadable outside the yahoo group. Maybe from the Winlink web site. Needs easy distribution I believe. 73 de LA7UM
                            Message 13 of 25 , Feb 14, 2012
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                              Daniel. I agree. I wonder if V4 could be downloadable outside the yahoo group. Maybe from the Winlink web site. Needs easy distribution I believe. 73 de LA7UM Finn

                              --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel V. Wolff, Jr." <wolff.neidenbach@...> wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > The Holidays have passed and I've been hoping to find more V4 stations
                              > active. There has been some on-the-air V4 activity but not anywhere near
                              > what I might have expected after the Holidays. Perhaps what we need is a
                              > little more publicity. It would be nice to see the V4 modem included in 3rd
                              > party programs, such as FLDigi, MultiPSK, and others. At the same time, it
                              > would be nice to see an annual on-the-air event (i.e. V4 QSO party, V4
                              > Roundup, etc.) to promote this mode.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Just my open thoughts on the subject. Even our V4-Chat Yahoo group has been
                              > rather quite.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > 73,
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Daniel V. Wolff, Jr.
                              > DL4VCW / KA7AGN / AEM1WF (MARS)
                              > <http://www.qsl.net/dl4vcw/> http://www.qsl.net/dl4vcw/
                              >
                              > <http://www.qsl.net/ka7agn/> http://www.qsl.net/ka7agn/
                              >
                              > <http://www.qsl.net/aem1wf/> http://www.qsl.net/aem1wf/
                              >
                              >
                              >
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                              > Caveats: NONE
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                              >
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                              >
                              > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/V4Protocol/message/2656;_ylc=X3oDMTJyN3FpMGNj
                              > BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzcxODM1OTgwBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARtc2dJZAMyNjU2
                              > BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEzMjUwNzE3OTQ-> V4 CHAT
                              >
                              >
                              > Posted by: "jgmags2000"
                              > <mailto:jgmags2000@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20V4%20CHAT>
                              > jgmags2000@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/jgmags2000> jgmags2000
                              >
                              >
                              > Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:07 pm (PST)
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > To all V4 users,
                              > When the program was in its development stage many users showed much
                              > enthusiasm for the program and many helped with suggestions to help
                              > Rick(KN6KB)in arriving at the final revision. Now that that has been
                              > achieved, the usage has dropped off considerably. With the increase in band
                              > openings there should be much more activity. Rick has worked extremely hard
                              > to give us V4Chat so.... with the new year upon us lets try to rekindle that
                              > enthusiasm we all had at the outset.
                              >
                              > Just my two cents worth.
                              > 73 and happy New year
                              > John, KJ1J
                              >
                            • Rick Muething
                              Daniel, I agree with you in it would be nice to see some additional V4 activity. I will look into also providing a download capability for V4Chat on the WL2K
                              Message 14 of 25 , Feb 14, 2012
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                                Daniel,
                                 
                                I agree with you in it would be nice to see some additional V4 activity.  I will look into also providing a download capability for V4Chat on the WL2K FTP server in addition to the Yahoo server.
                                 
                                Some other points and issues:
                                 
                                1) I have a lot on my plate at the current time.  The WL2K software needs important updates (RMS Express, RMSTrimode etc) and Vic Poor one of our major programmers is leaving on a year’s sabbatical so the other volunteer programmers have to cover and handle any issues/updates to Vic’s code.  This leaves little time for additional V4 Programming right now.
                                 
                                2) The V4 TNC is documented and available to other developers to use. It is fairly easy to integrate (similar to a hardware TNC or the WINMOR virtual TNC). I would be more than happy to provide some limited help to other developers that want to integrate V4 into new or existing client programs. This has been done for WINMOR on a number of “3rd  party” programs with success.  The effort is roughly equivalent to writing a TNC driver.
                                 
                                3) I think a V4 contest or “roundup” would be a great idea. The logs (if the ADIF log is enabled) is compatible with most programs that can read ADIF formatted logs and that could make “scoring” the contest easier.  Since grid squares are exchanged automatically on a connection something that encouraged how many grid squares worked might be fun and easy to do.  I think there are plenty on the V4 reflector that could help with this. I can offer only limited time and support.
                                 
                                4) I still remain more than willing to provide help with any SERIOUS Linux programmer that wants to port V4 and/or V4Chat to Linux. I will supply the V4  VB.NET 2010 source and it may be possible to convert most of this if someone is familiar with Mono. My only requirements are:
                                   a) This has to be a serious effort...It is probably a few man months...it is not a one-weekend re compile.
                                   b) The resulting product has to be documented and supported. I don’t want any unsupported V4 code out there... (Support means things like Help files, answering questions and fixing bugs).
                                   c) The resulting Linux V4 program needs to be checked and verified that it is compatible with the current Windows V4 version and matches the V4 protocol.
                                   d) This will require the Linux programmer be familiar with things like:  DSP (FFT, wav files, sound cards etc), Real time programming, Multi threading.  I just don’t have the time to run a programming school especially  in Linux. There is a CD of a DSP short course I did for TAPR at the 2010 DCC that some may find good if they have minimal DSP experience. See  the TAPR web site (
                                 
                                73,

                                Rick KN6KB
                              • la7um
                                Thanks Rick. I have privatly helped some hams sending the program privately to them, since non of them are Reflector users. Good to have a URL for this. 73.
                                Message 15 of 25 , Feb 14, 2012
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                                  Thanks Rick. I have privatly helped some hams sending the program privately to them, since non of them are Reflector users. Good to have a URL for this. 73. Finn/LA7UM

                                  --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Muething" <rmuething@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Daniel,
                                  >
                                  > I agree with you in it would be nice to see some additional V4 activity. I will look into also providing a download capability for V4Chat on the WL2K FTP server in addition to the Yahoo server.
                                  >
                                  > Some other points and issues:
                                  >
                                  > 1) I have a lot on my plate at the current time. The WL2K software needs important updates (RMS Express, RMSTrimode etc) and Vic Poor one of our major programmers is leaving on a year’s sabbatical so the other volunteer programmers have to cover and handle any issues/updates to Vic’s code. This leaves little time for additional V4 Programming right now.
                                  >
                                  > 2) The V4 TNC is documented and available to other developers to use. It is fairly easy to integrate (similar to a hardware TNC or the WINMOR virtual TNC). I would be more than happy to provide some limited help to other developers that want to integrate V4 into new or existing client programs. This has been done for WINMOR on a number of “3rd party” programs with success. The effort is roughly equivalent to writing a TNC driver.
                                  >
                                  > 3) I think a V4 contest or “roundup” would be a great idea. The logs (if the ADIF log is enabled) is compatible with most programs that can read ADIF formatted logs and that could make “scoring” the contest easier. Since grid squares are exchanged automatically on a connection something that encouraged how many grid squares worked might be fun and easy to do. I think there are plenty on the V4 reflector that could help with this. I can offer only limited time and support.
                                  >
                                  > 4) I still remain more than willing to provide help with any SERIOUS Linux programmer that wants to port V4 and/or V4Chat to Linux. I will supply the V4 VB.NET 2010 source and it may be possible to convert most of this if someone is familiar with Mono. My only requirements are:
                                  > a) This has to be a serious effort...It is probably a few man months...it is not a one-weekend re compile.
                                  > b) The resulting product has to be documented and supported. I don’t want any unsupported V4 code out there... (Support means things like Help files, answering questions and fixing bugs).
                                  > c) The resulting Linux V4 program needs to be checked and verified that it is compatible with the current Windows V4 version and matches the V4 protocol.
                                  > d) This will require the Linux programmer be familiar with things like: DSP (FFT, wav files, sound cards etc), Real time programming, Multi threading. I just don’t have the time to run a programming school especially in Linux. There is a CD of a DSP short course I did for TAPR at the 2010 DCC that some may find good if they have minimal DSP experience. See the TAPR web site (
                                  > http://www.tapr.org/pdf/DCC2010-DSPcourse-session1-KN6KB.pdf) for more info.
                                  >
                                  > 73,
                                  >
                                  > Rick KN6KB
                                  >
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