3322RE: [V4Protocol] Re: New experimental mode HAM4 and Chat host program for robust keyboard mode..
- Jul 11, 2013
Nice QSO on V4 chat enjoyed that a lot. Yes you right the V4 software by no means Is old . Should I say the earlier version how’s that. Yes Rick is doing a wonderful job. I don’t see how he does it all myself. My hats off to his hard work !
Yes hope to work you again soon, and If you like before the summer E SKIP season is gone I would like to wk you ,or someone on V4 Chat on the 6 meter band.
We will keep our eyes out for any updates on the H4 ARQ debugging and hope to wk you on it down the waterfall…..
73 Rick Kd4jrx FM14ab
Thanks for the QSO with the old V4Chat. It seems strange calling it the old program since it is not that old :-)
I didn't hear anyone else on the frequency so I guess the band isn't open yet for DX. The new chat program sounds exciting and I can't wait to give it a try. Good work on Rick's part and a pleasant surprise to get the news on the new program.
73, Ron ny3j
On 7/11/2013 11:38 AM, Ron Wenig wrote:
I just saw your email about switching back to the old V4Chat and I'm trying to connect to you. I'm not sure about the character set I just used whatever the default was.
On 7/11/2013 11:33 AM, ric5 wrote:
No I’m not , let me ask a question ? In the setup, under character set what should I be using?
It's getting a little better. I can copy more of your CQ. I guess you're not copying my reply.
*~‰°•ýCCQ CQ CCQ CQ CCQ CQ CCQ CQ C4JRX KDQ DE KDCQ CQ CQ DE KD4JRX KD4JRX FM14 CQ CQ CQ DE KD4JRX KD4JRX FM14ab k
On 7/11/2013 11:18 AM, Ron Wenig wrote:
I heard your CW id and saw a couple of CQ's but no call sign. I did send text out in FEC mode. Rick said there was a bug so maybe it's not quite working yet.
On 7/11/2013 11:10 AM, ric5 wrote:
Is to my understanding the H4 ARQ does not work? You can only run FEC FD mode only? Because that’s the only mode I can grt to work in this new release? If I try to call CQ or put in a call into H4 ARQ It’s just sets there and does nothing?
QRV Rick Kd4jrx FM14ab
I think there is a major bug when I built the last Chat and H4FSK TNC run…I will try and look at it today and tomorrow.
I have forwarded info to Finnish EmComm ("TURVA") members & others on HF digi modes in OH.
I will load chat protocol soon and ready for beta testing
73 "Yussi" OH7TE
--- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, dk3cw@... wrote:
> Thanks for improving the V4-Chat protocol, Rick.
> I've forwarded the new file to some EmComm and digital modes interested hams in Germany. As we did before, when V4Chat was released, we'll test and compare the new protocol with the old on. Expect some Bug reports and suggestion for improvements soon.
> vy 73 de Jakob DK3CW
> EmComm liaison officer Frankfurt / Main
> When All Else Fails, Ham Radio Works
> -----UrsprÃ¼ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "kn6kb" [rmuething@...]
> Gesendet: Mi. 10.07.2013 20:37
> An: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [V4Protocol] New experimental mode HAM4 and Chat host program for robust keyboard mode..
> Â Initial Alpha release of Chat 0.1.0.1
> Chat and its' companion virtual TNC H4FSK TNC are designed for keyboard operation over HF. This is alpha code â€¦.not well tested or documented yet but appears to be functional. If you are not an experimenter or get frustrated debugging software please wait a few weeks at least until the basic bugs have been worked out.
> Chat and the H4FSK TNC are an outgrowth of the V4 Chat and V4 Protocol released in 2010. I hope this (after initial debugging) will eliminate some of the limitations of V4 and prove to be a reliable keyboard FEC and ARQ mode. Here are the basic features and goals of the program and the Protocol:
> The protocol is called HAM4 short for HAMming Encoded 4 FSK. It uses the same modulation type as V4 (4FSK @ 46.875 baud) and the same bandwidth (200 Hz at -26 dB. However there are several changes that should make the HAM4 Protocol better especially for keyboard operations.
> 1) Lower latency. The HAM4 FEC is included in each character (currently using a Hamming 11, 4 code shortened to 8,4 with a minimum distance of 3). A character consists of 6 4FSK symbols (12 bits) of which 8 are user or code bits. A character time is 128 ms. This translates to a very small latency in the range of 300 ms (the delay from sending the text from the keyboard until it prints to the remote stations screen). This is even lower than modes like PSK-31.
> 2) Strong FEC. The shortened 8,4 code is soft decoded using a lookup table mechanism that computes the distance to the "closest" character. This gives approximately 2 dB additional coding gain (equivalent of increasing the power by about 60%). The soft decoding also allows plotting the received signal quality as each character is received. The soft block encoding on a character by character basis reduces sensitivity to burst errors.
> 3) Full support for ASCII(7bit), extended ASCII(Latin-1), and UTF-8 (Unicode) character sets. This allows full support for most common languages and symbols.
> 4) Fast and continuous tuning and sync tracking. The sync character (also 128 ms) is sent every 1.024 seconds. This non printing character allows fast and accurate DSP tuning to about .5 Hz accuracy and tracking of drifting or off frequency signals. Loss of sync can usually be recovered in 1 to 2 seconds.
> 5) Good FEC and ARQ (Future) throughput. Nominal FEC throughput is approximately 6.8 eight bit characters per second or 68 words per minute.
> 6) Future full binary ARQ capability with approximately 250 bytes/minute ARQ rate.
> If you are familiar with V4 Chat and the V4 protocol this should be easy to pick up. There is basic help but it needs refinement and expansion. Your feedback and comments are appreciated. Good luck and enjoy.
> Rick Muething, KN6KB rmuething@... KN6KB@...
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