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  • McDowell, Steve
    I am in agreement with Giancarlo. All of my slate/shale structures are self-supporting. I have only used aquarium silicone once...this was to get an odd
    Message 1 of 9 , Dec 1, 2003
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      I am in agreement with Giancarlo.  All of my slate/shale structures are self-supporting.  I have only used aquarium silicone once...this was to get an odd shaped, small, light piece (about 3 inches long) to stand at an angle.  Never stacked the stuff.

       

      Thanks,

      Steve

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      From:
      Giancarlo Podio [mailto:gpodio@...]
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      Monday, December 01, 2003 12:00 PM
      To: UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [UniQuaria] tips on creating rocky landscapes?

       

      A little more time consuming and rock finding involved but the best way I've found to do rock formations is to simply find shapes that automatically form a sound structure. I've used epoxy and hot glue in the past but I don't feel safe knowing that either one is holding up the mound, I prefer to know that it naturally supports itself. I also fill gaps between the rocks with some sand or gravel to avoid any "earthquakes" or slipping.

       

      Hope that helps

      Giancarlo Podio, LMD

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    • Sayer
      ... Is this for in-water use? If you do glue them together, then how can you clean in-between and under them? Maybe lift the entire formation out as a whole
      Message 2 of 9 , Dec 1, 2003
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        --- In UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com, "Nimish" <nimmat@b...> wrote:
        > I am having a little difficulty keeping a rocky mountain togather,
        > the problem in using silicone is that the exact position of contact
        > is unknown and i dont want to unnessecerily load up the rocks with
        > silicone which is just lying there..

        Is this for in-water use? If you do "glue" them together, then how
        can you clean in-between and under them? Maybe lift the entire
        formation out as a whole unit?

        I've always had way more rocks then necessary to choose from and (as
        previously suggested) then use the ones that fit together the best.
        With American cichlids I don't pile the rocks up very high anymore
        because they spend all day trying to knock them down... :)

        Sayer
      • Nimish
        i tried that well, but its too too difficult to select the rocks that way, especially that i have no rocks in my garden, if i did that i would have had more
        Message 3 of 9 , Dec 1, 2003
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          i tried that well, but its too too difficult to select the rocks that
          way, especially that i have no rocks in my garden, if i did that i
          would have had more choice.. but yes, having fitting rocks and then
          gluing them togather seems a good idea.. and i tried it rite now and
          hopefully seems to work, lets see when the silly-cone dries yp by
          tomorrow.
          thanks,
          Nim

          --- In UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com, "Giancarlo Podio" <gpodio@u...>
          wrote:
          > A little more time consuming and rock finding involved but the best
          way I've found to do rock formations is to simply find shapes that
          automatically form a sound structure. I've used epoxy and hot glue in
          the past but I don't feel safe knowing that either one is holding up
          the mound, I prefer to know that it naturally supports itself. I also
          fill gaps between the rocks with some sand or gravel to avoid
          any "earthquakes" or slipping.
          >
          > Hope that helps
          > Giancarlo Podio, LMD
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: Nimish
          > To: UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:45 AM
          > Subject: [UniQuaria] tips on creating rocky landscapes?
          >
          >
          > I am having a little difficulty keeping a rocky mountain
          togather,
          > the problem in using silicone is that the exact position of
          contact
          > is unknown and i dont want to unnessecerily load up the rocks
          with
          > silicone which is just lying there..
          >
          > any advise as to how do i go about it?
          >
          > Thanks,
          > Nim
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        • Nimish
          right, slate can do the work i want, but i want it done with cobbles (round) not too friendly eh. i have a few pieces of slate, but if i go about buying the
          Message 4 of 9 , Dec 1, 2003
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            right, slate can do the work i want, but i want it done with cobbles
            (round) not too friendly eh. i have a few pieces of slate, but if i
            go about buying the amount of slate i need, it would cost a hell lot.
            it sells for £6 per KG.. and even a 4"x4" piece of slate over 1"
            thick is more then a kilogram. i need atleast 20-30 such pieces :)

            maybe if i get slate cheap somewhere, ill do a look around. thanks,
            Nim

            --- In UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com, "McDowell, Steve" <smcdowell@s...>
            wrote:
            > I am in agreement with Giancarlo. All of my slate/shale structures
            are
            > self-supporting. I have only used aquarium silicone once...this
            was to get
            > an odd shaped, small, light piece (about 3 inches long) to stand at
            an
            > angle. Never stacked the stuff.
            >
            >
            >
            > Thanks,
            >
            > Steve
            >
            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: Giancarlo Podio [mailto:gpodio@u...]
            > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:00 PM
            > To: UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com
            > Subject: Re: [UniQuaria] tips on creating rocky landscapes?
            >
            >
            >
            > A little more time consuming and rock finding involved but the best
            way I've
            > found to do rock formations is to simply find shapes that
            automatically form
            > a sound structure. I've used epoxy and hot glue in the past but I
            don't feel
            > safe knowing that either one is holding up the mound, I prefer to
            know that
            > it naturally supports itself. I also fill gaps between the rocks
            with some
            > sand or gravel to avoid any "earthquakes" or slipping.
            >
            >
            >
            > Hope that helps
            >
            > Giancarlo Podio, LMD
            >
            > .
          • Nimish
            well yes, for underwater use.. actually a setup to hide my filter.. the intake of filter is from overflow.. yes cleaning could be a problem but i hope to
            Message 5 of 9 , Dec 1, 2003
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              well yes, for underwater use.. actually a setup to hide my filter..
              the intake of filter is from overflow.. yes cleaning could be a
              problem but i hope to direct the water flow accordingly.

              Nim

              --- In UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com, "Sayer" <sayersweb@y...> wrote:
              > --- In UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com, "Nimish" <nimmat@b...> wrote:
              > > I am having a little difficulty keeping a rocky mountain
              togather,
              > > the problem in using silicone is that the exact position of
              contact
              > > is unknown and i dont want to unnessecerily load up the rocks
              with
              > > silicone which is just lying there..
              >
              > Is this for in-water use? If you do "glue" them together, then how
              > can you clean in-between and under them? Maybe lift the entire
              > formation out as a whole unit?
              >
              > I've always had way more rocks then necessary to choose from and
              (as
              > previously suggested) then use the ones that fit together the best.
              > With American cichlids I don't pile the rocks up very high anymore
              > because they spend all day trying to knock them down... :)
              >
              > Sayer
            • Nestor D Gregorio
              hello, my experience is as follows: silicone used to glue together rocks or bricks never really adhere inside water even if cured for three days. the whole
              Message 6 of 9 , Dec 2, 2003
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                hello,
                my experience is as follows:
                silicone used to glue together rocks or bricks never really adhere inside water even if cured for three days. the whole structure eventually unglues
                fitting the stones would be a good better alternative to form a formation
                with cichlids, they never got to wreck the piled rock formation, they just dig and dig under until the whole thing simply tumbles down.
                in the unsuccessful attempt to build a rock structure with silicone, my imagination ran wild and it was really superbig...getting it out was very difficult and we only managed to do so when the silicone got unglued. leaving the rocks as is and creatively just piling them up depending on your prevailing creative eye is more flexible then attempting to build something permanently glued
                there are a lot of epoxy binders now in the market but i do not know how these chemicals will affect the fish and plants in a tank..polymer adhesives are very sticky and they really stick things together..
                a friend related that they have tried using the pink or red stuff that dentists use to make dentures..so far good sticking experience
                hope this helps
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                >> I am having a little difficulty keeping a rocky mountain togather, <BR>
                >> the problem in using silicone is that the exact position of contact <BR>
                >> is unknown and i dont want to unnessecerily load up the rocks with <BR>
                >> silicone which is just lying there..<BR>
                ><BR>
                >Is this for in-water use? If you do "glue" them together, then how <BR>
                >can you clean in-between and under them? Maybe lift the entire <BR>
                >formation out as a whole unit?<BR>
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                >I've always had way more rocks then necessary to choose from and (as <BR>
                >previously suggested) then use the ones that fit together the best. <BR>
                >With American cichlids I don't pile the rocks up very high anymore <BR>
                >because they spend all day trying to knock them down... :)<BR>
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                >Sayer<BR>
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