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  • Jason Heyd
    Unless you REALLY clean the gravel, it shouldn t impact bacteria colonies significantly ... It s generally less damaging than, say, rinsing your sponge media
    Message 1 of 11 , Oct 1, 2002
      Unless you REALLY clean the gravel, it shouldn't impact bacteria
      colonies significantly ... It's generally less damaging than, say,
      rinsing your sponge media out to clear it of debris.

      With that said, in my experience, best practice is to clean the
      substrate regularly and not rely on it as a primary biological
      filtration component ... or at least no more so than it becomes by
      providing a surface that gets "disturbed" every week to two weeks.
      That way your filter houses the majority of your beneficial bacteria,
      and you don't have to worry much about the substrate.

      It can definitely take a few hours or so for things to stabilize,
      depending on water current, etc.

      jh.

      On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 12:50 PM, Tricia M wrote:

      > chris, you may have taken your reading too soon, it sometimes takes a
      > while for the ammonia etc to dissipate to other parts of the tank and
      > can offset your readings if you don't wait until things are well
      > dispersed. but it's still entirely possible that vacuuming the gravel
      > got rid of a lot of bacteria...
    • Christina Marvin
      Thanks Jason...It s basically a side effect from my crappy water. The nitrite eating bacteria could not keep up, in turn it took 2 days for the reading to go
      Message 2 of 11 , Oct 1, 2002
        Thanks Jason...It's basically a side effect from my crappy water. The nitrite eating bacteria could not keep up, in turn  it took 2 days for the reading to go down. It's fully stocked and functioning perfectly now.
         
        to see a log of my cycle go to
         
        Christina
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:25 AM
        Subject: Re: [UniQuaria] Re: Those familiar with fishless cycling


        Unless you REALLY clean the gravel, it shouldn't impact bacteria
        colonies significantly ... It's generally less damaging than, say,
        rinsing your sponge media out to clear it of debris.

        With that said, in my experience, best practice is to clean the
        substrate regularly and not rely on it as a primary biological
        filtration component ... or at least no more so than it becomes by
        providing a surface that gets "disturbed" every week to two weeks. 
        That way your filter houses the majority of your beneficial bacteria,
        and you don't have to worry much about the substrate.

        It can definitely take a few hours or so for things to stabilize,
        depending on water current, etc.

        jh.

        On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 12:50 PM, Tricia M wrote:

        > chris, you may have taken your reading too soon, it sometimes takes a
        > while for the ammonia etc to dissipate to other parts of the tank and
        > can offset your readings if you don't wait until things are well
        > dispersed. but it's still entirely possible that vacuuming the gravel
        > got rid of a lot of bacteria...


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      • Jason Heyd
        That s what I figured / hoped ... And hopefully your tank will find its own balance, even with the ammonia in your tap water. Good luck. :) jh.
        Message 3 of 11 , Oct 1, 2002
          That's what I figured / hoped ... And hopefully your tank will find its
          own balance, even with the ammonia in your tap water. Good luck. :)

          jh.

          On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 08:31 AM, Christina Marvin wrote:

          > Thanks Jason...It's basically a side effect from my crappy water. The
          > nitrite eating bacteria could not keep up, in turn  it took 2 days for
          > the reading to go down. It's fully stocked and functioning perfectly
          > now.
          >  
          > to see a log of my cycle go to
          > http://symphony.net/~cmarvin/mycycle2.txt
        • Christina Marvin
          Thanks Jason...I think its going to be an ongoing battle...but for now, bf is bringing well water in. C ... From: Jason Heyd To: UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com
          Message 4 of 11 , Oct 1, 2002
            Thanks Jason...I think its going to be an ongoing battle...but for now, bf is bringing well water in.
             
            C
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:50 AM
            Subject: Re: [UniQuaria] Re: Those familiar with fishless cycling


            That's what I figured / hoped ... And hopefully your tank will find its
            own balance, even with the ammonia in your tap water. Good luck. :)

            jh.

            On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 08:31 AM, Christina Marvin wrote:

            > Thanks Jason...It's basically a side effect from my crappy water. The
            > nitrite eating bacteria could not keep up, in turn  it took 2 days for
            > the reading to go down. It's fully stocked and functioning perfectly
            > now.
            >  
            > to see a log of my cycle go to
            > http://symphony.net/~cmarvin/mycycle2.txt


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          • tuvix72
            Just thought some of you out there may be interested in comparing another cycle log. I finished cycling my tank a week ago with success but very low values. I
            Message 5 of 11 , Oct 1, 2002
              Just thought some of you out there may be interested in comparing
              another cycle log. I finished cycling my tank a week ago with success
              but very low values. I filled my 55gal tank with water and added 7
              mollies and 6 platties the next day along with a lot of plants.
              During the next few days I continued planting the tank which I think
              contributed greatly to the cycle by bringing in bacteria from other
              tanks. In the end no fish were hurt, the levels never reached
              a "full" spike and the tank was fully cycled in 14 days. I think for
              planted tanks getting those plants in asap is very helpful to the
              cycling process regardless of which method you use. For non-planted
              tanks the fishless cycle is probably the better choice however.

              Cycle Log:

              Date PH Ammonia Nitrite Nitrate KH GH
              9/11/2002 6.9 2.5 0 na 3 7
              9/12/2002 6.6 0.75 0 na 2 7
              9/13/2002 6.8 0.75 0 na 2 6
              9/14/2002 6.6 0.75 0 na 2 6
              9/15/2002 6.6 0.75 0 na 2 6
              9/16/2002 6.6 0.75 0 na 2 6
              9/17/2002 6.6 0 0.25 na 2 6
              9/18/2002 6.6 0 0.5 5 2 6
              9/19/2002 6.5 0 1 5 1 5
              9/20/2002 6.7 0 1 0 2 6
              9/21/2002 6.6 0 1 5 2 6
              9/22/2002 6.8 0 0.5 5 2 6
              9/23/2002 6.6 0 0.25 5 2 6
              9/24/2002 6.6 0 0 0 2 6

              I've since added 4 clown loaches, 6 siamese algae eaters and 3 cory
              cats, ammonia and nitrite remain all at 0 and I'm keeping nitrates
              around 0-5.

              Thank you plants!

              Giancarlo

              --- In UniQuaria@y..., "Christina Marvin" <cmarvin@s...> wrote:
              > Thanks Jason...It's basically a side effect from my crappy water.
              The nitrite eating bacteria could not keep up, in turn it took 2
              days for the reading to go down. It's fully stocked and functioning
              perfectly now.
              >
              > to see a log of my cycle go to
              > http://symphony.net/~cmarvin/mycycle2.txt
              >
              > Christina
            • tuvix72
              Oooops, that looks terrible, I guess tabs were lost. Let me try to re- post it using spaces: Date PH Ammonia Nitrite Nitrate KH GH 9/11 6.9 2.5
              Message 6 of 11 , Oct 1, 2002
                Oooops, that looks terrible, I guess tabs were lost. Let me try to re-
                post it using spaces:

                Date PH Ammonia Nitrite Nitrate KH GH
                9/11 6.9 2.5 0 na 3 7
                9/12 6.6 0.75 0 na 2 7
                9/13 6.8 0.75 0 na 2 6
                9/14 6.6 0.75 0 na 2 6
                9/15 6.6 0.75 0 na 2 6
                9/16 6.6 0.75 0 na 2 6
                9/17 6.6 0 0.25 na 2 6
                9/18 6.6 0 0.5 5 2 6
                9/19 6.5 0 1 5 1 5
                9/20 6.7 0 1 0 2 6
                9/21 6.6 0 1 5 2 6
                9/22 6.8 0 0.5 5 2 6
                9/23 6.6 0 0.25 5 2 6
                9/24 6.6 0 0 0 2 6

                Sorry for the mess

                Giancarlo
              • Jason Heyd
                Your numbers are pretty typical of fishless cycling. I think Christina s numbers were a little odd because of the ammonia in her tap water. And yes, getting
                Message 7 of 11 , Oct 1, 2002
                  Your numbers are pretty typical of fishless cycling. I think
                  Christina's numbers were "a little odd" because of the ammonia in her
                  tap water.

                  And yes, getting plants in ASAP is a good idea if you're going that
                  route. :)

                  jh.

                  On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 12:51 PM, tuvix72 wrote:

                  > Just thought some of you out there may be interested in comparing
                  > another cycle log. I finished cycling my tank a week ago with success
                  > but very low values. I filled my 55gal tank with water and added 7
                  > mollies and 6 platties the next day along with a lot of plants.
                  > During the next few days I continued planting the tank which I think
                  > contributed greatly to the cycle by bringing in bacteria from other
                  > tanks. In the end no fish were hurt, the levels never reached
                  > a "full" spike and the tank was fully cycled in 14 days. I think for
                  > planted tanks getting those plants in asap is very helpful to the
                  > cycling process regardless of which method you use. For non-planted
                  > tanks the fishless cycle is probably the better choice however.
                  >
                  > Cycle Log:
                  >
                  > Date            PH      Ammonia      Nitrite      Nitrate      KH     
                  > GH
                  > 9/11/2002      6.9      2.5      0      na      3      7
                  > 9/12/2002      6.6      0.75      0      na      2      7
                  > 9/13/2002      6.8      0.75      0      na      2      6
                  > 9/14/2002      6.6      0.75      0      na      2      6
                  > 9/15/2002      6.6      0.75      0      na      2      6
                  > 9/16/2002      6.6      0.75      0      na      2      6
                  > 9/17/2002      6.6      0      0.25      na      2      6
                  > 9/18/2002      6.6      0      0.5      5      2      6
                  > 9/19/2002      6.5      0      1      5      1      5
                  > 9/20/2002      6.7      0      1      0      2      6
                  > 9/21/2002      6.6      0      1      5      2      6
                  > 9/22/2002      6.8      0      0.5      5      2      6
                  > 9/23/2002      6.6      0      0.25      5      2      6
                  > 9/24/2002      6.6      0      0      0      2      6
                  >
                  > I've since added 4 clown loaches, 6 siamese algae eaters and 3 cory
                  > cats, ammonia and nitrite remain all at 0 and I'm keeping nitrates
                  > around 0-5.
                  >
                  > Thank you plants!
                  >
                  > Giancarlo
                • tuvix72
                  My cycle was not fishless, it was a standard cycle with 11 fish. I measured around 0.75 ammonia in my tapwater. Sorry for the confusion. The only problem is
                  Message 8 of 11 , Oct 1, 2002
                    My cycle was not fishless, it was a standard cycle with 11 fish. I
                    measured around 0.75 ammonia in my tapwater. Sorry for the confusion.

                    The only problem is now what to do with 11 healthy fish which I don't
                    want anymore? Oh yeah and they had fry during the cycle so the
                    numbers are above 20 now from what I can see. I'm trying to convince
                    a friend to take them but.... I'll try the lfs next.

                    Giancarlo

                    --- In UniQuaria@y..., Jason Heyd <jasonheyd.yahoo@m...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Your numbers are pretty typical of fishless cycling. I think
                    > Christina's numbers were "a little odd" because of the ammonia in
                    her
                    > tap water.
                    >
                    > And yes, getting plants in ASAP is a good idea if you're going that
                    > route. :)
                    >
                    > jh.
                    >
                    > On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 12:51 PM, tuvix72 wrote:
                    >
                    > > Just thought some of you out there may be interested in comparing
                    > > another cycle log. I finished cycling my tank a week ago with
                    success
                    > > but very low values. I filled my 55gal tank with water and added 7
                    > > mollies and 6 platties the next day along with a lot of plants.
                    > > During the next few days I continued planting the tank which I
                    think
                    > > contributed greatly to the cycle by bringing in bacteria from
                    other
                    > > tanks. In the end no fish were hurt, the levels never reached
                    > > a "full" spike and the tank was fully cycled in 14 days. I think
                    for
                    > > planted tanks getting those plants in asap is very helpful to the
                    > > cycling process regardless of which method you use. For non-
                    planted
                    > > tanks the fishless cycle is probably the better choice however.
                    > >
                    > > Cycle Log:
                    > >
                    > > Date            PH      Ammonia      Nitrite      Nitrate     
                    KH     
                    > > GH
                    > > 9/11/2002      6.9      2.5      0      na      3      7
                    > > 9/12/2002      6.6      0.75      0      na      2      7
                    > > 9/13/2002      6.8      0.75      0      na      2      6
                    > > 9/14/2002      6.6      0.75      0      na      2      6
                    > > 9/15/2002      6.6      0.75      0      na      2      6
                    > > 9/16/2002      6.6      0.75      0      na      2      6
                    > > 9/17/2002      6.6      0      0.25      na      2      6
                    > > 9/18/2002      6.6      0      0.5      5      2      6
                    > > 9/19/2002      6.5      0      1      5      1      5
                    > > 9/20/2002      6.7      0      1      0      2      6
                    > > 9/21/2002      6.6      0      1      5      2      6
                    > > 9/22/2002      6.8      0      0.5      5      2      6
                    > > 9/23/2002      6.6      0      0.25      5      2      6
                    > > 9/24/2002      6.6      0      0      0      2      6
                    > >
                    > > I've since added 4 clown loaches, 6 siamese algae eaters and 3
                    cory
                    > > cats, ammonia and nitrite remain all at 0 and I'm keeping nitrates
                    > > around 0-5.
                    > >
                    > > Thank you plants!
                    > >
                    > > Giancarlo
                  • Jason Heyd
                    *smile* Ok. They still don t look far off, even for fishless cycling. Good luck with the 20 fish ... that s why I started looking at fishless cycling in the
                    Message 9 of 11 , Oct 1, 2002
                      *smile* Ok. They still don't look far off, even for fishless cycling.
                      Good luck with the 20 fish ... that's why I started looking at fishless
                      cycling in the first place. :)

                      jh.

                      On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 01:39 PM, tuvix72 wrote:

                      > My cycle was not fishless, it was a standard cycle with 11 fish. I
                      > measured around 0.75 ammonia in my tapwater. Sorry for the confusion.
                      >
                      > The only problem is now what to do with 11 healthy fish which I don't
                      > want anymore? Oh yeah and they had fry during the cycle so the
                      > numbers are above 20 now from what I can see. I'm trying to convince
                      > a friend to take them but.... I'll try the lfs next.
                      >
                      > Giancarlo
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