Re: Question regarding new Zilla flourescent & Halogen combo
- Hi there,
Recently I was poking around Hagen's Zilla site because we always ask
new members to our bearded dragon group about their lighting
arrangemnt, and her mini-compact fixtures gave me more questions than
I started with..
There actually IS a pdf file on their site warning the consumer about
the phototherapy phosphor used in their desert 50 series products, but
a link to it only appears on this page detailing that version of their
linear T5 models-
Here's a direct link to the pdf-
I'll save you the trouble of looking up the SKUs in their product line
by pointing out that the new circular halogen combo fixture (in a dome
style we trust?) and their mini compact dual-lamp deal are NOT in the
recall list, even though both are only available in the "desert 50"
series. All SKUs in the recall list are current, so this product line
apparently hasn't changed yet. Something tells me the mini-compact
lamps could be a holdover from the old Exo-Terra line, and the new
circular deal may be made at the same factory. It's all Chinese
afterall, so it's quite possible (and probable) that the Zilla
lighting line could come from several different manufacturers.
So if the curcular/compact tubes appear fairly white when lit (vs.
purple/blue), I would venture to guess that they do not use the
dangerous phototherapy phosphors. Of course I wouldn't consider either
fixture to be much use on anything but the smallest habitats in that
Anyway I just thought I'd share some observations on this, hope they
help in some way!
--- In UVB_Meter_Owners@yahoogroups.com, "drache613" <JKretzs@...> wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> I recently got an email from a friend of mine in California who works
> in a petstore. So he sees new products when they come in that his
> boss orders etc.
> Has anyone seen this product yet?
> The Zilla has not improved their lighting as of yet, correct? If so,
> this probably is not the best of products I would think. However, it
> does have a halogen light included, but, it is only a 50 watt light
> so how bright can it be?
> Any feedback would be great. As of currently, I have instructed him
> to tell customers who may be purchasing this product to keep the
> light at least 8 inches away & they may need to use an additional
> basking light to get the temps up as well.
- Jimmy, Lucky Lizards Bulb had a minus 3% (-3%) decay in the 4 months had
had it before you. it was set at 18" over his basking area combined with a
MegaHeat to get the 95-100 degrees I was looking for.
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[mailto:UVB_Meter_Owners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:43 AM
Subject: [UVB_Meter_Owners] MegaRay Metal Halide Info
Yes the Megaray Metal Halide is very close to the EB mercury vapor
but its 70 watts insted of 60 and Bobmac sent me one a little while
back to try out with my iguanas and to use in the up coming megaray
and new lighting videos for reptileuv.com i'm working on.
This light looks the same untill you plug it in and WOW its the
purest bright white light i have ever seen! years ago when i went
from the old reptisun 5.0 to the megaray MV it was a huge difference
in brightness, then a while ago when i learned how to add in the
combo lighting again the brightness took me a couple days to get used
to it but the iguanas loved it.
Now i plug this light in and again i'm amazed at just how bright this
light is it completely matches the light coming in from the open
window during full sun and yet when i put my hand under it theres no
artifical color spikes and my skin looks completely natural.
At first i set it up without my iguana so i could play with it and
test it many times over afew hours to see what all was happening as i
wasn't ready for what i saw. lol When i went from the old 5.0 i went
from under 700 lux to maybe 12,000 lux with just the megaray then
later 20,000 lux with the combo lighting and now with just this one
light i'm up to where the sun is on my lux meter taking a reading
outside in full sun in the afternoon! i couldnt beleive it! over
70,000 lux at 12 inches and i had to tell Bobmac the other day, that
if this wasn't a megaray light and i didn't have a uvb meter and lux
meter i would have been alittle worried to use it but thats what i so
love about his lights they are nothing but quality! and even with my
meters i still wasn't 100% sure cause i dont have a UVI 6.5 meter yet
but after checking reptileuv and seeing the UVI chart Frances made i
felt better that i was setting it up right.
I did have to set it alittle higher then the 2 or 3 month old SB 100
watt megaray i had just bought because this MH has alittle more UVB
then the MV i was using in that spot and Bob had sent me a matching
50 watt halogen to use for the basking heat but it also adds alittle
more lux, more colors and i'm still using my double 48 inch
fluorescent 5000 K fixture so as my iguana moves to the other end of
the 4 foot by 4 foot window he will still have close to 2000 lux and
more of the blue-green down that end to work like shade so he can
regulate how much lux, uvb and heat he wants. Also because i use 20
inch wide 9 foot long white closet organizer shelves i made the MH
uvb "hot spot" point to the one side of the shelf closer to the
window and the halogen point to the other side of the shelf away from
the window so he can lay on one side to get full uvb or the other to
get more heat and less uvb or he can lay sideways with his face at
the screen in the window and be under both and get uvb closer to his
3rd eye while his hip and base of the tail will get full heat.
The 50 watt halogen had to be maybe 2 inches higher then the MH but
on a cool day in the high 70s low 80s the halogen needs to come down
about 2 inches to give him the same basking temp and body heat with
the window open.
I read somewhere Bobmac was saying making the high quality uvb lights
is more of an art form and i have to say he is a great artist then
cause my iguana Binty LOVES this thing and he doesn't want to share
it with my two rescued igs at all! lol but they have seen it walking
past his room and this light is like a reptile magnet they all want
to be under it. When given the choice after a bath in the tub to
either go in their room and window with the megaray MV and combo
lighting or the megaray MH all 3 have picked the MH everytime.
Its so bad that when Binty gets to go outside Woody and Gizmo come in
they argue over who gets to sit under it and Woody my big wild crazy
male rescue is such a push over cause he always let Gizmo have the
best spot and he spends an hour trying to slowly sneak up closer and
closer cause shes a dominant girl and has no problem bitting him if
he gets to close and his mouth is 3 times hers but he likes her to
much to bite her back and if he sits still she likes to sit on him. I
have found Binty likes it when the halogen and fluorescent come on
first then later the MH comes on but i have to turn the MH off about
an hour before dark for him to understand its getting dark out
because at first he would stay up as long as the MH was on so at 10pm
hes still basking away which is very unusual for Binty he likes to be
in his sleeping spot before dark but by turning off the MH and
leaving on the other 2 types of lights on he seems to realize "the
sun is going down" and starts looking for where he wants to sleep
that night as he is a free roamer.
After learning so much more about lighting in the last year, (Thanks
to Bobmac, Frances, Henry and many others here) then i knew in the
last 17 years of owning and then later rescuing iguanas i can see how
the QUALITY of light is the REAL KEY to keeping them healthy and
happy in more ways then we ever knew before and now knowing how the
3rd eye, lux levels, uvb levels all work to super charge their immune
system i will be switching over from the Megaray MV to the Megaray MH
when it comes out for sale for all 3 of mine and i'm guessing it will
be just alittle more then the megaray EB MV, i can say it will be the
best money i ever spent.
Bobmac told me this light used to be Lucky Lizards light one of his
loved rescued iguanas so its been used for a good while but i
couldn't tell that it wasn't brand new, the lux level is many times
higher and the uvb was higher then my new SB 100 watt MV. The light
slowly turns on like the all EB megarays i have noticed it flashes as
it heats up again like the others but its a very bright flash with
reddish white look to it and its only a split second a couple times
as it reaches full intensity but then its a steady white light. This
is not a production model so the uvb was set at the level Bobmac
needed and ofcourse as i said i had to high it alttle higher then the
megaray it replaced but now we'll wait to see the real report from
Frances on this light and i'll post any changes i see in reading on
this one, i guess i need to ask Bobmac the age and what the lux and
uvb started at to see how the decay rate is for this one.
This really is taking reptile lighting to the next level.
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