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  • Tim Hopkin
    The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use the
    Message 1 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007

      The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled for November 15-16, 2008.  It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.  This was the case the first two years of the NCGP.  This year we are going up against the USGP in New Jersey .  A distance of over 9 hours which I am thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the travel time between the races).  I know everything will work out and these open dialogues have helped in the past.  I could also host the NCGP on November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.

       

      Tim Hopkin

      North Carolina Grand Prix

      www.nccyclocross.com

    • robin morton
      Hi Tim, I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend. Cheers, R Robin Morton g4 Productions LLC 908 832 6909 office 908 832 6839 fax 484 643
      Message 2 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007

        Hi Tim,

         

        I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.


        Cheers,

        R

         

        Robin Morton

        g4 Productions LLC

        908 832 6909 office

        908 832 6839 fax

        484 643 3534 mobile **  (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)

        rmorton@...

        www.g4events.com

         


        From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Hopkin
        Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
        To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix

         

        The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled for November 15-16, 2008.  It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.  This was the case the first two years of the NCGP.  This year we are going up against the USGP in New Jersey .  A distance of over 9 hours which I am thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the travel time between the races).  I know everything will work out and these open dialogues have helped in the past.  I could also host the NCGP on November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.

         

        Tim Hopkin

        North Carolina Grand Prix

        www.nccyclocross. com

      • Adam Myerson
        Tim, If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are 13-15+
        Message 3 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
          Tim,

          If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I
          think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are
          13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.

          It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but
          I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
          their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.

          So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.

          Adam


          on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@... wrote:

          > Hi Tim,
          >
          >
          >
          > I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
          >
          >
          > Cheers,
          >
          > R
          >
          >
          >
          > Robin Morton
          >
          > g4 Productions LLC
          >
          > 908 832 6909 office
          >
          > 908 832 6839 fax
          >
          > 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
          >
          > rmorton@...
          >
          > www.g4events.com
          >
          >
          >
          > _____
          >
          > From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
          > Tim Hopkin
          > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
          > To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
          >
          >
          >
          > The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
          > for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
          > the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
          > This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
          > up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
          > thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
          > travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
          > open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
          > November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
          >
          >
          >
          > Tim Hopkin
          >
          > North Carolina Grand Prix
          >
          > www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccyclocross.com/> com
          >
          >
          >
        • Adam Myerson
          Oh, I m getting a little dizzy already. One of the issues here is that Thanksgiving is one week later in 2008. So while John (and I m assuming Tom/Sterling)
          Message 4 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
            Oh, I'm getting a little dizzy already.

            One of the issues here is that Thanksgiving is one week later in 2008. So
            while John (and I'm assuming Tom/Sterling) will stay on the weekend after
            Thanksgiving, that actually changes their date by one weekend. Thanksgiving
            is on the 48th week in 2008, and 47th week in 2007.

            What this means is that if the Portland GP stays on it's week for 2008, it
            would actually be on the 29/30 of November. If it stays on it's date, it
            will actually be one weekend later, December 6/7.

            Tim, if Tom and John do both go to that weekend, you might have your own
            weekend on 22/23 of November.

            So, we really need to know what the Portland GP is going to do. Week 48/Nov
            29-30/after Thanksgiving, or week 49/first weekend of December.


            on 11/6/07 1:49 PM, Adam Myerson at adam@... wrote:

            > Tim,
            >
            > If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I think
            > I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are 13-15+ hours
            > away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
            >
            > It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but I
            > think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
            > their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
            >
            > So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
            >
            > Adam
            >
            >
            > on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@... wrote:
            >
            >> Hi Tim,
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
            >>
            >>
            >> Cheers,
            >>
            >> R
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >> Robin Morton
            >>
            >> g4 Productions LLC
            >>
            >> 908 832 6909 office
            >>
            >> 908 832 6839 fax
            >>
            >> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
            >>
            >> rmorton@...
            >>
            >> www.g4events.com
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >> _____
            >>
            >> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
            >> Tim Hopkin
            >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
            >> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
            >> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
            >> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
            >> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
            >> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
            >> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
            >> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
            >> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
            >> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
            >> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >> Tim Hopkin
            >>
            >> North Carolina Grand Prix
            >>
            >> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccyclocross.com/> com
            >>
            >>
            >>
          • robin morton
            We are waiting to talk to Brad Ross today or tomorrow. We need to confirm availability of the venue, etc. R Robin Morton g4 Productions LLC 908 832 6909
            Message 5 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007

              We are waiting to talk to Brad Ross today or tomorrow.  We need to confirm availability of the venue, etc.


              R

               

              Robin Morton

              g4 Productions LLC

              908 832 6909 office

              908 832 6839 fax

              484 643 3534 mobile **  (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)

              rmorton@...

              www.g4events.com

               


              From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adam Myerson
              Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:19 PM
              To: USAICO
              Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix

               

              Oh, I'm getting a little dizzy already.

              One of the issues here is that Thanksgiving is one week later in 2008. So
              while John (and I'm assuming Tom/Sterling) will stay on the weekend after
              Thanksgiving, that actually changes their date by one weekend. Thanksgiving
              is on the 48th week in 2008, and 47th week in 2007.

              What this means is that if the Portland GP stays on it's week for 2008, it
              would actually be on the 29/30 of November. If it stays on it's date, it
              will actually be one weekend later, December 6/7.

              Tim, if Tom and John do both go to that weekend, you might have your own
              weekend on 22/23 of November.

              So, we really need to know what the Portland GP is going to do. Week 48/Nov
              29-30/after Thanksgiving, or week 49/first weekend of December.

              on 11/6/07 1:49 PM, Adam Myerson at adam@cycle-smart. com wrote:

              > Tim,
              >
              > If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I
              think
              > I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are 13-15+
              hours
              > away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
              >
              > It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend,
              but I
              > think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
              > their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
              >
              > So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
              >
              > Adam
              >
              >
              > on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@att. net
              wrote:
              >
              >> Hi Tim,
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
              >>
              >>
              >> Cheers,
              >>
              >> R
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >> Robin Morton
              >>
              >> g4 Productions LLC
              >>
              >> 908 832 6909 office
              >>
              >> 908 832 6839 fax
              >>
              >> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
              >>
              >> rmorton@g4events. com
              >>
              >> www.g4events. com
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >> _____
              >>
              >> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com
              [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
              >> Tim Hopkin
              >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
              >> To: USAICO@yahoogroups. com
              >> Subject: [USAICO] North
              Carolina Grand Prix
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are
              scheduled
              >> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to
              use
              >> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West
              Coast.
              >> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are
              going
              >> up against the USGP in New
              Jersey . A distance of over 9 hours which I am
              >> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to
              increase the
              >> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and
              these
              >> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
              >> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar
              friendlier.
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >> Tim Hopkin
              >>
              >> North Carolina
              Grand Prix
              >>
              >> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/>
              com
              >>
              >>
              >>

            • sovek@verizon.net
              first weekend of december; MAC race mid-atlantic/sat MAC capital cross/VA sun. chip
              Message 6 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                first weekend of december;

                MAC race mid-atlantic/sat
                MAC capital cross/VA sun.

                chip

                ---------------------------------


                >From: Adam Myerson <adam@...>
                >Date: 2007/11/06 Tue PM 01:18:53 CST
                >To: USAICO <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
                >Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix

                >
                >Oh, I'm getting a little dizzy already.
                >
                >One of the issues here is that Thanksgiving is one week later in 2008. So
                >while John (and I'm assuming Tom/Sterling) will stay on the weekend after
                >Thanksgiving, that actually changes their date by one weekend. Thanksgiving
                >is on the 48th week in 2008, and 47th week in 2007.
                >
                >What this means is that if the Portland GP stays on it's week for 2008, it
                >would actually be on the 29/30 of November. If it stays on it's date, it
                >will actually be one weekend later, December 6/7.
                >
                >Tim, if Tom and John do both go to that weekend, you might have your own
                >weekend on 22/23 of November.
                >
                >So, we really need to know what the Portland GP is going to do. Week 48/Nov
                >29-30/after Thanksgiving, or week 49/first weekend of December.
                >
                >on 11/6/07 1:49 PM, Adam Myerson at adam@... wrote:
                >
                >> Tim,
                >>
                >> If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I think
                >> I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are 13-15+ hours
                >> away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                >>
                >> It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but I
                >> think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                >> their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                >>
                >> So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                >>
                >> Adam
                >>
                >>
                >> on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@... wrote:
                >>
                >>> Hi Tim,
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>
                >>> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                >>>
                >>>
                >>> Cheers,
                >>>
                >>> R
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>
                >>> Robin Morton
                >>>
                >>> g4 Productions LLC
                >>>
                >>> 908 832 6909 office
                >>>
                >>> 908 832 6839 fax
                >>>
                >>> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                >>>
                >>> rmorton@...
                >>>
                >>> www.g4events.com
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>
                >>> _____
                >>>
                >>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                >>> Tim Hopkin
                >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                >>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
                >>> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>
                >>> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
                >>> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                >>> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                >>> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                >>> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                >>> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                >>> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                >>> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                >>> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>
                >>> Tim Hopkin
                >>>
                >>> North Carolina Grand Prix
                >>>
                >>> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccyclocross.com/> com
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>
                >
                >
              • Mike Hebe
                Speaking of dizzy. Can we refrain numeric week dating ie 47th & 48th. My mind is a little slow that way. However, I can grasp Dec 6/7, Nov 29/30, Nov 22/23.
                Message 7 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                  Speaking of dizzy.
                  Can we refrain numeric week dating ie 47th & 48th. My mind is a little slow that way. However, I can grasp Dec 6/7, Nov 29/30, Nov 22/23.
                  Thanks for working with the slow guy.
                  Hebe
                   
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  To: USAICO
                  Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:18 PM
                  Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix

                  Oh, I'm getting a little dizzy already.

                  One of the issues here is that Thanksgiving is one week later in 2008. So
                  while John (and I'm assuming Tom/Sterling) will stay on the weekend after
                  Thanksgiving, that actually changes their date by one weekend. Thanksgiving
                  is on the 48th week in 2008, and 47th week in 2007.

                  What this means is that if the Portland GP stays on it's week for 2008, it
                  would actually be on the 29/30 of November. If it stays on it's date, it
                  will actually be one weekend later, December 6/7.

                  Tim, if Tom and John do both go to that weekend, you might have your own
                  weekend on 22/23 of November.

                  So, we really need to know what the Portland GP is going to do. Week 48/Nov
                  29-30/after Thanksgiving, or week 49/first weekend of December.

                  on 11/6/07 1:49 PM, Adam Myerson at adam@cycle-smart. com wrote:

                  > Tim,
                  >
                  > If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I think
                  > I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are 13-15+ hours
                  > away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                  >
                  > It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but I
                  > think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                  > their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                  >
                  > So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                  >
                  > Adam
                  >
                  >
                  > on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@att. net wrote:
                  >
                  >> Hi Tim,
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Cheers,
                  >>
                  >> R
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Robin Morton
                  >>
                  >> g4 Productions LLC
                  >>
                  >> 908 832 6909 office
                  >>
                  >> 908 832 6839 fax
                  >>
                  >> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                  >>
                  >> rmorton@g4events. com
                  >>
                  >> www.g4events. com
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> _____
                  >>
                  >> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
                  >> Tim Hopkin
                  >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                  >> To: USAICO@yahoogroups. com
                  >> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
                  >> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                  >> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                  >> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                  >> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                  >> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                  >> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                  >> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                  >> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Tim Hopkin
                  >>
                  >> North Carolina Grand Prix
                  >>
                  >> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/> com
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>

                • Meehan, John
                  Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is terribly underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we need to drive about
                  Message 8 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                    Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is terribly underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we need to drive about 10-12 hours to get to ANY uci cross race. We have placed our events on Thanksgiving in the hopes of drawing people from each coast, mainly because this sport needs to grow here and we need the superstars that all of you enjoy seeing every week to come out here just once. Towards that end, and in the hopes that we will grow the sport here as a benefit to all of us, we hope Tim doesn't select the Thanksgiving weekend too.

                    Just to prove how underrepresented we are, ...ummm, Adam....Iowa is IA...not IO...:)

                    Cheers from the cornfield

                    John
                    ________________________________

                    From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Adam Myerson
                    Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 12:49 PM
                    To: USAICO
                    Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix



                    Tim,

                    If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I
                    think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are
                    13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.

                    It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but
                    I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                    their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.

                    So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.

                    Adam

                    on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@... <mailto:bitmore%40att.net> wrote:

                    > Hi Tim,
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                    >
                    >
                    > Cheers,
                    >
                    > R
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Robin Morton
                    >
                    > g4 Productions LLC
                    >
                    > 908 832 6909 office
                    >
                    > 908 832 6839 fax
                    >
                    > 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                    >
                    > rmorton@... <mailto:rmorton%40g4events.com>
                    >
                    > www.g4events.com
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > _____
                    >
                    > From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
                    > Tim Hopkin
                    > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                    > To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
                    > for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                    > the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                    > This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                    > up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                    > thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                    > travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                    > open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                    > November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Tim Hopkin
                    >
                    > North Carolina Grand Prix
                    >
                    > www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccyclocross.com/ <http://www.nccyclocross.com/> > com
                    >
                    >
                    >
                  • joan hanscom
                    Hi guys, We are looking for the Portland USGP race to remain on it s date - meaning December 6/7 of 2008. I ll be back with complete proposed USGP schedule in
                    Message 9 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                      Hi guys,

                      We are looking for the Portland USGP race to remain on it's date - meaning December 6/7 of 2008.

                      I'll be back with complete proposed USGP schedule in just a little bit!

                      Cheers!

                      joan


                      On Nov 6, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Adam Myerson wrote:

                      Oh, I'm getting a little dizzy already.

                      One of the issues here is that Thanksgiving is one week later in 2008. So
                      while John (and I'm assuming Tom/Sterling) will stay on the weekend after
                      Thanksgiving, that actually changes their date by one weekend. Thanksgiving
                      is on the 48th week in 2008, and 47th week in 2007.

                      What this means is that if the Portland GP stays on it's week for 2008, it
                      would actually be on the 29/30 of November. If it stays on it's date, it
                      will actually be one weekend later, December 6/7.

                      Tim, if Tom and John do both go to that weekend, you might have your own
                      weekend on 22/23 of November.

                      So, we really need to know what the Portland GP is going to do. Week 48/Nov
                      29-30/after Thanksgiving, or week 49/first weekend of December.

                      on 11/6/07 1:49 PM, Adam Myerson at adam@cycle-smart.com wrote:

                      > Tim,
                      >
                      > If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I think
                      > I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are 13-15+ hours
                      > away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                      >
                      > It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but I
                      > think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                      > their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                      >
                      > So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                      >
                      > Adam
                      >
                      >
                      > on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@att.net wrote:
                      >
                      >> Hi Tim,
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Cheers,
                      >>
                      >> R
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Robin Morton
                      >>
                      >> g4 Productions LLC
                      >>
                      >> 908 832 6909 office
                      >>
                      >> 908 832 6839 fax
                      >>
                      >> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                      >>
                      >> rmorton@g4events.com
                      >>
                      >> www.g4events.com
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> _____
                      >>
                      >> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                      >> Tim Hopkin
                      >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                      >> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
                      >> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
                      >> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                      >> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                      >> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                      >> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                      >> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                      >> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                      >> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                      >> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Tim Hopkin
                      >>
                      >> North Carolina Grand Prix
                      >>
                      >> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccyclocross.com/> com
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>


                      Joan Hanscom
                      USGP of Cyclocross - Event Marketing Director
                      SKYPE ME:  JoanHan16
                      Office: 484.461.5171
                      Mobile: 484.995.0547



                    • Adam Myerson
                      Sorry, dude, you re gonna have to learn the international standard week numbers, too. It s the only way to compare one year to the next, since dates aren t
                      Message 10 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                        Sorry, dude, you're gonna have to learn the international standard week
                        numbers, too.

                        It's the only way to compare one year to the next, since dates aren't always
                        consistent.

                        Adam


                        on 11/6/07 2:27 PM, Mike Hebe at mikehebe@... wrote:

                        > Speaking of dizzy.
                        > Can we refrain numeric week dating ie 47th & 48th. My mind is a little slow
                        > that way. However, I can grasp Dec 6/7, Nov 29/30, Nov 22/23.
                        > Thanks for working with the slow guy.
                        > Hebe
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Adam Myerson
                        > To: USAICO
                        > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:18 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                        >
                        >
                        > Oh, I'm getting a little dizzy already.
                        >
                        > One of the issues here is that Thanksgiving is one week later in 2008. So
                        > while John (and I'm assuming Tom/Sterling) will stay on the weekend after
                        > Thanksgiving, that actually changes their date by one weekend. Thanksgiving
                        > is on the 48th week in 2008, and 47th week in 2007.
                        >
                        > What this means is that if the Portland GP stays on it's week for 2008, it
                        > would actually be on the 29/30 of November. If it stays on it's date, it
                        > will actually be one weekend later, December 6/7.
                        >
                        > Tim, if Tom and John do both go to that weekend, you might have your own
                        > weekend on 22/23 of November.
                        >
                        > So, we really need to know what the Portland GP is going to do. Week 48/Nov
                        > 29-30/after Thanksgiving, or week 49/first weekend of December.
                        >
                        > on 11/6/07 1:49 PM, Adam Myerson at adam@... wrote:
                        >
                        >> Tim,
                        >>
                        >> If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I think
                        >> I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are 13-15+
                        >> hours
                        >> away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                        >>
                        >> It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but I
                        >> think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                        >> their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                        >>
                        >> So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                        >>
                        >> Adam
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@... wrote:
                        >>
                        >>> Hi Tim,
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> Cheers,
                        >>>
                        >>> R
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> Robin Morton
                        >>>
                        >>> g4 Productions LLC
                        >>>
                        >>> 908 832 6909 office
                        >>>
                        >>> 908 832 6839 fax
                        >>>
                        >>> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                        >>>
                        >>> rmorton@...
                        >>>
                        >>> www.g4events.com
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> _____
                        >>>
                        >>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                        >>> Tim Hopkin
                        >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                        >>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
                        >>> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
                        >>> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                        >>> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                        >>> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                        >>> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                        >>> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                        >>> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                        >>> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                        >>> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> Tim Hopkin
                        >>>
                        >>> North Carolina Grand Prix
                        >>>
                        >>> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccyclocross.com/> com
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                      • Adam Myerson
                        Thanks, Chip. Hebe, that s the 49th week for you. Same as last year.
                        Message 11 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                          Thanks, Chip.

                          Hebe, that's the 49th week for you. Same as last year.


                          on 11/6/07 2:25 PM, sovek@... at sovek@... wrote:

                          > first weekend of december;
                          >
                          > MAC race mid-atlantic/sat
                          > MAC capital cross/VA sun.
                          >
                          > chip
                          >
                          > ---------------------------------
                          >
                          >
                          >> From: Adam Myerson <adam@...>
                          >> Date: 2007/11/06 Tue PM 01:18:53 CST
                          >> To: USAICO <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
                          >> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                          >
                          >>
                          >> Oh, I'm getting a little dizzy already.
                          >>
                          >> One of the issues here is that Thanksgiving is one week later in 2008. So
                          >> while John (and I'm assuming Tom/Sterling) will stay on the weekend after
                          >> Thanksgiving, that actually changes their date by one weekend. Thanksgiving
                          >> is on the 48th week in 2008, and 47th week in 2007.
                          >>
                          >> What this means is that if the Portland GP stays on it's week for 2008, it
                          >> would actually be on the 29/30 of November. If it stays on it's date, it
                          >> will actually be one weekend later, December 6/7.
                          >>
                          >> Tim, if Tom and John do both go to that weekend, you might have your own
                          >> weekend on 22/23 of November.
                          >>
                          >> So, we really need to know what the Portland GP is going to do. Week 48/Nov
                          >> 29-30/after Thanksgiving, or week 49/first weekend of December.
                          >>
                          >> on 11/6/07 1:49 PM, Adam Myerson at adam@... wrote:
                          >>
                          >>> Tim,
                          >>>
                          >>> If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I
                          >>> think
                          >>> I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are 13-15+
                          >>> hours
                          >>> away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                          >>>
                          >>> It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but
                          >>> I
                          >>> think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                          >>> their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                          >>>
                          >>> So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                          >>>
                          >>> Adam
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@... wrote:
                          >>>
                          >>>> Hi Tim,
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Cheers,
                          >>>>
                          >>>> R
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Robin Morton
                          >>>>
                          >>>> g4 Productions LLC
                          >>>>
                          >>>> 908 832 6909 office
                          >>>>
                          >>>> 908 832 6839 fax
                          >>>>
                          >>>> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                          >>>>
                          >>>> rmorton@...
                          >>>>
                          >>>> www.g4events.com
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> _____
                          >>>>
                          >>>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                          >>>> Tim Hopkin
                          >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                          >>>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
                          >>>> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are
                          >>>> scheduled
                          >>>> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                          >>>> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                          >>>> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                          >>>> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                          >>>> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                          >>>> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                          >>>> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                          >>>> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Tim Hopkin
                          >>>>
                          >>>> North Carolina Grand Prix
                          >>>>
                          >>>> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccyclocross.com/> com
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >
                          >
                          >
                        • Mike Hebe
                          I will get on that as soon as I master the metric system. Seriously, the MAC will have two C2 events on 12/6-7. Figure the numeric week out amongst yourselves.
                          Message 12 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                            I will get on that as soon as I master the metric system.
                            Seriously, the MAC will have two C2 events on 12/6-7. Figure the numeric week out amongst yourselves. I would think the Beacon/Jamesburg NJ weekend should be right before or after USGP NJ. That is four UCI events within a nine day span, in a two hour drive radius.
                            If the MAC goes to eight events for '08, which I am planning, can I call the series the BIG MAC? Adam would Cycle-Smart support a series with an homage to frozen meat patties?
                            Hebe
                             
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            To: USAICO
                            Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:36 PM
                            Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix

                            Sorry, dude, you're gonna have to learn the international standard week
                            numbers, too.

                            It's the only way to compare one year to the next, since dates aren't always
                            consistent.

                            Adam

                            on 11/6/07 2:27 PM, Mike Hebe at mikehebe@comcast. net wrote:

                            > Speaking of dizzy.
                            > Can we refrain numeric week dating ie 47th & 48th. My mind is a little slow
                            > that way. However, I can grasp Dec 6/7, Nov 29/30, Nov 22/23.
                            > Thanks for working with the slow guy.
                            > Hebe
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Adam Myerson
                            > To: USAICO
                            > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:18 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                            >
                            >
                            > Oh, I'm getting a little dizzy already.
                            >
                            > One of the issues here is that Thanksgiving is one week later in 2008. So
                            > while John (and I'm assuming Tom/Sterling) will stay on the weekend after
                            > Thanksgiving, that actually changes their date by one weekend. Thanksgiving
                            > is on the 48th week in 2008, and 47th week in 2007.
                            >
                            > What this means is that if the Portland GP stays on it's week for 2008, it
                            > would actually be on the 29/30 of November. If it stays on it's date, it
                            > will actually be one weekend later, December 6/7.
                            >
                            > Tim, if Tom and John do both go to that weekend, you might have your own
                            > weekend on 22/23 of November.
                            >
                            > So, we really need to know what the Portland GP is going to do. Week 48/Nov
                            > 29-30/after Thanksgiving, or week 49/first weekend of December.
                            >
                            > on 11/6/07 1:49 PM, Adam Myerson at adam@cycle-smart. com wrote:
                            >
                            >> Tim,
                            >>
                            >> If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I think
                            >> I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are 13-15+
                            >> hours
                            >> away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                            >>
                            >> It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but I
                            >> think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                            >> their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                            >>
                            >> So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                            >>
                            >> Adam
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@att. net wrote:
                            >>
                            >>> Hi Tim,
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> Cheers,
                            >>>
                            >>> R
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> Robin Morton
                            >>>
                            >>> g4 Productions LLC
                            >>>
                            >>> 908 832 6909 office
                            >>>
                            >>> 908 832 6839 fax
                            >>>
                            >>> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                            >>>
                            >>> rmorton@g4events. com
                            >>>
                            >>> www.g4events. com
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> _____
                            >>>
                            >>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
                            >>> Tim Hopkin
                            >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                            >>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups. com
                            >>> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
                            >>> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                            >>> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                            >>> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                            >>> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                            >>> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                            >>> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                            >>> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                            >>> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> Tim Hopkin
                            >>>
                            >>> North Carolina Grand Prix
                            >>>
                            >>> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/> com
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >

                          • Adam Myerson
                            Damn, I even tried to look it up to make sure I had it right. IA looked like Indiana to my brain. So many people get it wrong, that Google only confirmed my
                            Message 13 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                              Damn, I even tried to look it up to make sure I had it right. IA looked like
                              Indiana to my brain. So many people get it wrong, that Google only confirmed
                              my mistake as correct. I tried, I swear. Sorry about that. Are you sure your
                              race isn't on Jupiter's moon?

                              Regardless, again, I think a bigger issue for you, now that I've looked more
                              closely at how the weeks break out and the fact that Thanksgiving is one
                              week later in 2008, is where the Portland GP lands. If they go the first
                              weekend of December, we'll have 3 weekends of racing; USGP finals, Verge NE
                              finals, and MAC finals, all on the same weekend. If they stay on their same
                              weekend, they'll be in November, and on the weekend you've essentially moved
                              to.

                              I know it probably doesn't feel like you moved your date, since you're
                              staying consistent with Thanksgiving and that's your intent, but again, in
                              effect, it's one week later than where you are this year.

                              So for Tim, his best bet is to go the weekend before Thanksgiving right now,
                              and he may get that whole weekend to himself. We'll see how it shakes out,
                              and I don't think we can really make a good call until we know about
                              Portland. I don't think we can do anything about the NE and MAC finals;
                              those weekends are pretty set. But it seems clear someone will end up
                              conflicting with Portland this year, unfortunately.

                              Adam


                              on 11/6/07 2:35 PM, Meehan, John at john-j-meehan@... wrote:

                              > Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is terribly
                              > underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we need to drive
                              > about 10-12 hours to get to ANY uci cross race. We have placed our events on
                              > Thanksgiving in the hopes of drawing people from each coast, mainly because
                              > this sport needs to grow here and we need the superstars that all of you enjoy
                              > seeing every week to come out here just once. Towards that end, and in the
                              > hopes that we will grow the sport here as a benefit to all of us, we hope Tim
                              > doesn't select the Thanksgiving weekend too.
                              >
                              > Just to prove how underrepresented we are, ...ummm, Adam....Iowa is IA...not
                              > IO...:)
                              >
                              > Cheers from the cornfield
                              >
                              > John
                              > ________________________________
                              >
                              > From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Adam Myerson
                              > Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 12:49 PM
                              > To: USAICO
                              > Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Tim,
                              >
                              > If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I
                              > think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are
                              > 13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                              >
                              > It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but
                              > I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                              > their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                              >
                              > So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                              >
                              > Adam
                              >
                              > on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@...
                              > <mailto:bitmore%40att.net> wrote:
                              >
                              >> Hi Tim,
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> Cheers,
                              >>
                              >> R
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> Robin Morton
                              >>
                              >> g4 Productions LLC
                              >>
                              >> 908 832 6909 office
                              >>
                              >> 908 832 6839 fax
                              >>
                              >> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                              >>
                              >> rmorton@... <mailto:rmorton%40g4events.com>
                              >>
                              >> www.g4events.com
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> _____
                              >>
                              >> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com>
                              >> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
                              >> Of
                              >> Tim Hopkin
                              >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                              >> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com>
                              >> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
                              >> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                              >> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                              >> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                              >> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                              >> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                              >> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                              >> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                              >> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> Tim Hopkin
                              >>
                              >> North Carolina Grand Prix
                              >>
                              >> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccyclocross.com/
                              >> <http://www.nccyclocross.com/> > com
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >
                              >
                              >
                            • Mike Hebe
                              Shite! I forgot about the VERGE RI events on 12/6-7. It was my understanding/impression from Justin last year that USAC/UCI would not go for three UCI events
                              Message 14 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                                Shite!
                                I forgot about the VERGE RI events on 12/6-7.
                                It was my understanding/impression from Justin last year that USAC/UCI would not go for three UCI events on the same weekend.
                                I am not a big fan of NE & MAC competing either.
                                Does RI have date flexibility?
                                Hebe
                                 
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                To: USAICO
                                Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:52 PM
                                Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix

                                Damn, I even tried to look it up to make sure I had it right. IA looked like
                                Indiana to my brain. So many people get it wrong, that Google only confirmed
                                my mistake as correct. I tried, I swear. Sorry about that. Are you sure your
                                race isn't on Jupiter's moon?

                                Regardless, again, I think a bigger issue for you, now that I've looked more
                                closely at how the weeks break out and the fact that Thanksgiving is one
                                week later in 2008, is where the Portland GP lands. If they go the first
                                weekend of December, we'll have 3 weekends of racing; USGP finals, Verge NE
                                finals, and MAC finals, all on the same weekend. If they stay on their same
                                weekend, they'll be in November, and on the weekend you've essentially moved
                                to.

                                I know it probably doesn't feel like you moved your date, since you're
                                staying consistent with Thanksgiving and that's your intent, but again, in
                                effect, it's one week later than where you are this year.

                                So for Tim, his best bet is to go the weekend before Thanksgiving right now,
                                and he may get that whole weekend to himself. We'll see how it shakes out,
                                and I don't think we can really make a good call until we know about
                                Portland. I don't think we can do anything about the NE and MAC finals;
                                those weekends are pretty set. But it seems clear someone will end up
                                conflicting with Portland this year, unfortunately.

                                Adam

                                on 11/6/07 2:35 PM, Meehan, John at john-j-meehan@ uiowa.edu wrote:

                                > Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is terribly
                                > underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we need to drive
                                > about 10-12 hours to get to ANY uci cross race. We have placed our events on
                                > Thanksgiving in the hopes of drawing people from each coast, mainly because
                                > this sport needs to grow here and we need the superstars that all of you enjoy
                                > seeing every week to come out here just once. Towards that end, and in the
                                > hopes that we will grow the sport here as a benefit to all of us, we hope Tim
                                > doesn't select the Thanksgiving weekend too.
                                >
                                > Just to prove how underrepresented we are, ...ummm, Adam....Iowa is IA...not
                                > IO...:)
                                >
                                > Cheers from the cornfield
                                >
                                > John
                                > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                >
                                > From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com on behalf of Adam Myerson
                                > Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 12:49 PM
                                > To: USAICO
                                > Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Tim,
                                >
                                > If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I
                                > think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are
                                > 13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                                >
                                > It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but
                                > I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                                > their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                                >
                                > So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                                >
                                > Adam
                                >
                                > on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@att. net
                                > <mailto:bitmore% 40att.net> wrote:
                                >
                                >> Hi Tim,
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> Cheers,
                                >>
                                >> R
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> Robin Morton
                                >>
                                >> g4 Productions LLC
                                >>
                                >> 908 832 6909 office
                                >>
                                >> 908 832 6839 fax
                                >>
                                >> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                                >>
                                >> rmorton@g4events. com <mailto:rmorton% 40g4events. com>
                                >>
                                >> www.g4events. com
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> _____
                                >>
                                >> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                >> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com> ] On Behalf
                                >> Of
                                >> Tim Hopkin
                                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                                >> To: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                >> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
                                >> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                                >> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                                >> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                                >> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                                >> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                                >> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                                >> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                                >> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> Tim Hopkin
                                >>
                                >> North Carolina Grand Prix
                                >>
                                >> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/
                                >> <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/> > com
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >
                                >
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                              • Meehan, John
                                Jupiter has more hills than we do, and it s better populated. But have good pork here....Jupiter don t got that ________________________________ From:
                                Message 15 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                                  Jupiter has more hills than we do, and it's better populated. But have good pork here....Jupiter don't got that

                                  ________________________________

                                  From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Adam Myerson
                                  Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 1:52 PM
                                  To: USAICO
                                  Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix



                                  Damn, I even tried to look it up to make sure I had it right. IA looked like
                                  Indiana to my brain. So many people get it wrong, that Google only confirmed
                                  my mistake as correct. I tried, I swear. Sorry about that. Are you sure your
                                  race isn't on Jupiter's moon?

                                  Regardless, again, I think a bigger issue for you, now that I've looked more
                                  closely at how the weeks break out and the fact that Thanksgiving is one
                                  week later in 2008, is where the Portland GP lands. If they go the first
                                  weekend of December, we'll have 3 weekends of racing; USGP finals, Verge NE
                                  finals, and MAC finals, all on the same weekend. If they stay on their same
                                  weekend, they'll be in November, and on the weekend you've essentially moved
                                  to.

                                  I know it probably doesn't feel like you moved your date, since you're
                                  staying consistent with Thanksgiving and that's your intent, but again, in
                                  effect, it's one week later than where you are this year.

                                  So for Tim, his best bet is to go the weekend before Thanksgiving right now,
                                  and he may get that whole weekend to himself. We'll see how it shakes out,
                                  and I don't think we can really make a good call until we know about
                                  Portland. I don't think we can do anything about the NE and MAC finals;
                                  those weekends are pretty set. But it seems clear someone will end up
                                  conflicting with Portland this year, unfortunately.

                                  Adam

                                  on 11/6/07 2:35 PM, Meehan, John at john-j-meehan@... <mailto:john-j-meehan%40uiowa.edu> wrote:

                                  > Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is terribly
                                  > underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we need to drive
                                  > about 10-12 hours to get to ANY uci cross race. We have placed our events on
                                  > Thanksgiving in the hopes of drawing people from each coast, mainly because
                                  > this sport needs to grow here and we need the superstars that all of you enjoy
                                  > seeing every week to come out here just once. Towards that end, and in the
                                  > hopes that we will grow the sport here as a benefit to all of us, we hope Tim
                                  > doesn't select the Thanksgiving weekend too.
                                  >
                                  > Just to prove how underrepresented we are, ...ummm, Adam....Iowa is IA...not
                                  > IO...:)
                                  >
                                  > Cheers from the cornfield
                                  >
                                  > John
                                  > ________________________________
                                  >
                                  > From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Adam Myerson
                                  > Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 12:49 PM
                                  > To: USAICO
                                  > Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Tim,
                                  >
                                  > If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I
                                  > think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are
                                  > 13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                                  >
                                  > It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but
                                  > I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                                  > their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                                  >
                                  > So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                                  >
                                  > Adam
                                  >
                                  > on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@... <mailto:bitmore%40att.net>
                                  > <mailto:bitmore%40att.net> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >> Hi Tim,
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> Cheers,
                                  >>
                                  >> R
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> Robin Morton
                                  >>
                                  >> g4 Productions LLC
                                  >>
                                  >> 908 832 6909 office
                                  >>
                                  >> 908 832 6839 fax
                                  >>
                                  >> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                                  >>
                                  >> rmorton@... <mailto:rmorton%40g4events.com> <mailto:rmorton%40g4events.com>
                                  >>
                                  >> www.g4events.com
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> _____
                                  >>
                                  >> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  >> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
                                  >> Of
                                  >> Tim Hopkin
                                  >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                                  >> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  >> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
                                  >> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                                  >> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                                  >> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                                  >> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                                  >> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                                  >> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                                  >> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                                  >> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> Tim Hopkin
                                  >>
                                  >> North Carolina Grand Prix
                                  >>
                                  >> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccyclocross.com/ <http://www.nccyclocross.com/>
                                  >> <http://www.nccyclocross.com/ <http://www.nccyclocross.com/> > > com
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                • Adam Myerson
                                  I m not sure about that restriction, but it happens a lot in Europe. Why can t it happen on this continent?
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                                    I'm not sure about that restriction, but it happens a lot in Europe. Why
                                    can't it happen on this continent?

                                    http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=cross/cross07-08

                                    If there are races in Switzerland, Belgium, and Italy, all on the same day,
                                    why can't there be races in the Northwest, Northeast, and southern MAC on
                                    the same day? We have the regional ridership to support it. The best riders
                                    will go to the best races.

                                    It's not ideal, but I'm not in favor of restricting racing opportunities and
                                    putting money in riders' pockets by telling an organizer who has the budget
                                    and desire "no". I think it should be up to the organizer to decide if
                                    that's the risk they want to take with their race.

                                    Let me ask you this; if nationals were in January, would organizers fill the
                                    gap with races in December, rather than conflicting?

                                    Adam


                                    on 11/6/07 2:58 PM, Mike Hebe at mikehebe@... wrote:

                                    > Shite!
                                    > I forgot about the VERGE RI events on 12/6-7.
                                    > It was my understanding/impression from Justin last year that USAC/UCI would
                                    > not go for three UCI events on the same weekend.
                                    > I am not a big fan of NE & MAC competing either.
                                    > Does RI have date flexibility?
                                    > Hebe
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: Adam Myerson
                                    > To: USAICO
                                    > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:52 PM
                                    > Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Damn, I even tried to look it up to make sure I had it right. IA looked like
                                    > Indiana to my brain. So many people get it wrong, that Google only confirmed
                                    > my mistake as correct. I tried, I swear. Sorry about that. Are you sure your
                                    > race isn't on Jupiter's moon?
                                    >
                                    > Regardless, again, I think a bigger issue for you, now that I've looked more
                                    > closely at how the weeks break out and the fact that Thanksgiving is one
                                    > week later in 2008, is where the Portland GP lands. If they go the first
                                    > weekend of December, we'll have 3 weekends of racing; USGP finals, Verge NE
                                    > finals, and MAC finals, all on the same weekend. If they stay on their same
                                    > weekend, they'll be in November, and on the weekend you've essentially moved
                                    > to.
                                    >
                                    > I know it probably doesn't feel like you moved your date, since you're
                                    > staying consistent with Thanksgiving and that's your intent, but again, in
                                    > effect, it's one week later than where you are this year.
                                    >
                                    > So for Tim, his best bet is to go the weekend before Thanksgiving right now,
                                    > and he may get that whole weekend to himself. We'll see how it shakes out,
                                    > and I don't think we can really make a good call until we know about
                                    > Portland. I don't think we can do anything about the NE and MAC finals;
                                    > those weekends are pretty set. But it seems clear someone will end up
                                    > conflicting with Portland this year, unfortunately.
                                    >
                                    > Adam
                                    >
                                    > on 11/6/07 2:35 PM, Meehan, John at john-j-meehan@... wrote:
                                    >
                                    >> Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is terribly
                                    >> underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we need to drive
                                    >> about 10-12 hours to get to ANY uci cross race. We have placed our events on
                                    >> Thanksgiving in the hopes of drawing people from each coast, mainly because
                                    >> this sport needs to grow here and we need the superstars that all of you
                                    >> enjoy
                                    >> seeing every week to come out here just once. Towards that end, and in the
                                    >> hopes that we will grow the sport here as a benefit to all of us, we hope Tim
                                    >> doesn't select the Thanksgiving weekend too.
                                    >>
                                    >> Just to prove how underrepresented we are, ...ummm, Adam....Iowa is IA...not
                                    >> IO...:)
                                    >>
                                    >> Cheers from the cornfield
                                    >>
                                    >> John
                                    >> ________________________________
                                    >>
                                    >> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Adam Myerson
                                    >> Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 12:49 PM
                                    >> To: USAICO
                                    >> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> Tim,
                                    >>
                                    >> If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I
                                    >> think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are
                                    >> 13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                                    >>
                                    >> It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but
                                    >> I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                                    >> their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                                    >>
                                    >> So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                                    >>
                                    >> Adam
                                    >>
                                    >> on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@...
                                    >> <mailto:bitmore%40att.net> wrote:
                                    >>
                                    >>> Hi Tim,
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Cheers,
                                    >>>
                                    >>> R
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Robin Morton
                                    >>>
                                    >>> g4 Productions LLC
                                    >>>
                                    >>> 908 832 6909 office
                                    >>>
                                    >>> 908 832 6839 fax
                                    >>>
                                    >>> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                                    >>>
                                    >>> rmorton@... <mailto:rmorton%40g4events.com>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> www.g4events.com
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> _____
                                    >>>
                                    >>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    >>> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
                                    >>> Of
                                    >>> Tim Hopkin
                                    >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                                    >>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    >>> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
                                    >>> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                                    >>> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                                    >>> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                                    >>> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                                    >>> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                                    >>> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                                    >>> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                                    >>> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Tim Hopkin
                                    >>>
                                    >>> North Carolina Grand Prix
                                    >>>
                                    >>> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccyclocross.com/
                                    >>> <http://www.nccyclocross.com/> > com
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                  • Meehan, John
                                    yes ________________________________ From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Adam Myerson Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 2:22 PM To: USAICO Subject: Re: [USAICO] North
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                                      yes

                                      ________________________________

                                      From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Adam Myerson
                                      Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 2:22 PM
                                      To: USAICO
                                      Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix



                                      I'm not sure about that restriction, but it happens a lot in Europe. Why
                                      can't it happen on this continent?

                                      http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=cross/cross07-08 <http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=cross/cross07-08>

                                      If there are races in Switzerland, Belgium, and Italy, all on the same day,
                                      why can't there be races in the Northwest, Northeast, and southern MAC on
                                      the same day? We have the regional ridership to support it. The best riders
                                      will go to the best races.

                                      It's not ideal, but I'm not in favor of restricting racing opportunities and
                                      putting money in riders' pockets by telling an organizer who has the budget
                                      and desire "no". I think it should be up to the organizer to decide if
                                      that's the risk they want to take with their race.

                                      Let me ask you this; if nationals were in January, would organizers fill the
                                      gap with races in December, rather than conflicting?

                                      Adam

                                      on 11/6/07 2:58 PM, Mike Hebe at mikehebe@... <mailto:mikehebe%40comcast.net> wrote:

                                      > Shite!
                                      > I forgot about the VERGE RI events on 12/6-7.
                                      > It was my understanding/impression from Justin last year that USAC/UCI would
                                      > not go for three UCI events on the same weekend.
                                      > I am not a big fan of NE & MAC competing either.
                                      > Does RI have date flexibility?
                                      > Hebe
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: Adam Myerson
                                      > To: USAICO
                                      > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:52 PM
                                      > Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Damn, I even tried to look it up to make sure I had it right. IA looked like
                                      > Indiana to my brain. So many people get it wrong, that Google only confirmed
                                      > my mistake as correct. I tried, I swear. Sorry about that. Are you sure your
                                      > race isn't on Jupiter's moon?
                                      >
                                      > Regardless, again, I think a bigger issue for you, now that I've looked more
                                      > closely at how the weeks break out and the fact that Thanksgiving is one
                                      > week later in 2008, is where the Portland GP lands. If they go the first
                                      > weekend of December, we'll have 3 weekends of racing; USGP finals, Verge NE
                                      > finals, and MAC finals, all on the same weekend. If they stay on their same
                                      > weekend, they'll be in November, and on the weekend you've essentially moved
                                      > to.
                                      >
                                      > I know it probably doesn't feel like you moved your date, since you're
                                      > staying consistent with Thanksgiving and that's your intent, but again, in
                                      > effect, it's one week later than where you are this year.
                                      >
                                      > So for Tim, his best bet is to go the weekend before Thanksgiving right now,
                                      > and he may get that whole weekend to himself. We'll see how it shakes out,
                                      > and I don't think we can really make a good call until we know about
                                      > Portland. I don't think we can do anything about the NE and MAC finals;
                                      > those weekends are pretty set. But it seems clear someone will end up
                                      > conflicting with Portland this year, unfortunately.
                                      >
                                      > Adam
                                      >
                                      > on 11/6/07 2:35 PM, Meehan, John at john-j-meehan@... <mailto:john-j-meehan%40uiowa.edu> wrote:
                                      >
                                      >> Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is terribly
                                      >> underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we need to drive
                                      >> about 10-12 hours to get to ANY uci cross race. We have placed our events on
                                      >> Thanksgiving in the hopes of drawing people from each coast, mainly because
                                      >> this sport needs to grow here and we need the superstars that all of you
                                      >> enjoy
                                      >> seeing every week to come out here just once. Towards that end, and in the
                                      >> hopes that we will grow the sport here as a benefit to all of us, we hope Tim
                                      >> doesn't select the Thanksgiving weekend too.
                                      >>
                                      >> Just to prove how underrepresented we are, ...ummm, Adam....Iowa is IA...not
                                      >> IO...:)
                                      >>
                                      >> Cheers from the cornfield
                                      >>
                                      >> John
                                      >> ________________________________
                                      >>
                                      >> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Adam Myerson
                                      >> Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 12:49 PM
                                      >> To: USAICO
                                      >> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> Tim,
                                      >>
                                      >> If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I
                                      >> think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are
                                      >> 13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                                      >>
                                      >> It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but
                                      >> I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                                      >> their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                                      >>
                                      >> So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                                      >>
                                      >> Adam
                                      >>
                                      >> on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@... <mailto:bitmore%40att.net>
                                      >> <mailto:bitmore%40att.net> wrote:
                                      >>
                                      >>> Hi Tim,
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Cheers,
                                      >>>
                                      >>> R
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Robin Morton
                                      >>>
                                      >>> g4 Productions LLC
                                      >>>
                                      >>> 908 832 6909 office
                                      >>>
                                      >>> 908 832 6839 fax
                                      >>>
                                      >>> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                                      >>>
                                      >>> rmorton@... <mailto:rmorton%40g4events.com> <mailto:rmorton%40g4events.com>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> www.g4events.com
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> _____
                                      >>>
                                      >>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      >>> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
                                      >>> Of
                                      >>> Tim Hopkin
                                      >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                                      >>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:USAICO%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      >>> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
                                      >>> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                                      >>> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                                      >>> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                                      >>> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                                      >>> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                                      >>> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                                      >>> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                                      >>> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Tim Hopkin
                                      >>>
                                      >>> North Carolina Grand Prix
                                      >>>
                                      >>> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccyclocross.com/ <http://www.nccyclocross.com/>
                                      >>> <http://www.nccyclocross.com/ <http://www.nccyclocross.com/> > > com
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                    • myles romanow
                                      We could certainly try to do stuff in Dec.. For our application we need top pros. It s what our sponsors want to see, and what our travel scenario almost
                                      Message 18 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                                        We could certainly try to do stuff in Dec.. For our application we need top pros.  It's what our sponsors want to see, and what our travel scenario almost mandates. 
                                         
                                        (elites are what we do here, keep in mind our B field was smaller than Adam's kids field last sunday)
                                        (also keep in mind that freaking kids field was huge.  it wsa like a whole gradeshool on wheels. nice work!)
                                         
                                        For us the only bad week is christmas week, when everyone is in Europe racing all the freaking time. 
                                        Of course, if a band of NE promoters got together and put on a UCI race each night for a week.......
                                         
                                        Nationals in january.  Very do able for most of hte country.  If it snows, either plow it, or blow it, or leave it.  We plowed a whole course one year for states.
                                        It looked so freakin cool.
                                         
                                        Also.  I think the absolute biggest strength of the cross scene thus far has been the common ground between most promoters here.  Everyone has worked fairly well together to make a cohesive calendar that flows well.  The presence of huge races liket he gp's and wc's, does sort of add an X factor into the mix, although with gp dates set fairly well in advance this year, ( i think) that's a lot easier.
                                         
                                        I also think that it's a good idea to get in the pattern of developing races stateside in January.  Who knows, someone may be dumb enough to host a big race late in the month.

                                        M
                                         
                                      • myles romanow
                                        Isn t there some rule governing the presence of multiple uci 1 s on the same day? M ... From: Mike Hebe To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com Sent:
                                        Message 19 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                                          Isn't there some rule governing the presence of multiple uci 1's on the same day?
                                          M


                                          ----- Original Message ----
                                          From: Mike Hebe <mikehebe@...>
                                          To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 2:58:41 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix

                                          Shite!
                                          I forgot about the VERGE RI events on 12/6-7.
                                          It was my understanding/ impression from Justin last year that USAC/UCI would not go for three UCI events on the same weekend.
                                          I am not a big fan of NE & MAC competing either.
                                          Does RI have date flexibility?
                                          Hebe
                                           
                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          To: USAICO
                                          Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:52 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix

                                          Damn, I even tried to look it up to make sure I had it right. IA looked like
                                          Indiana to my brain. So many people get it wrong, that Google only confirmed
                                          my mistake as correct. I tried, I swear. Sorry about that. Are you sure your
                                          race isn't on Jupiter's moon?

                                          Regardless, again, I think a bigger issue for you, now that I've looked more
                                          closely at how the weeks break out and the fact that Thanksgiving is one
                                          week later in 2008, is where the Portland GP lands. If they go the first
                                          weekend of December, we'll have 3 weekends of racing; USGP finals, Verge NE
                                          finals, and MAC finals, all on the same weekend. If they stay on their same
                                          weekend, they'll be in November, and on the weekend you've essentially moved
                                          to.

                                          I know it probably doesn't feel like you moved your date, since you're
                                          staying consistent with Thanksgiving and that's your intent, but again, in
                                          effect, it's one week later than where you are this year.

                                          So for Tim, his best bet is to go the weekend before Thanksgiving right now,
                                          and he may get that whole weekend to himself. We'll see how it shakes out,
                                          and I don't think we can really make a good call until we know about
                                          Portland. I don't think we can do anything about the NE and MAC finals;
                                          those weekends are pretty set. But it seems clear someone will end up
                                          conflicting with Portland this year, unfortunately.

                                          Adam

                                          on 11/6/07 2:35 PM, Meehan, John at john-j-meehan@ uiowa.edu wrote:

                                          > Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is terribly
                                          > underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we need to drive
                                          > about 10-12 hours to get to ANY uci cross race. We have placed our events on
                                          > Thanksgiving in the hopes of drawing people from each coast, mainly because
                                          > this sport needs to grow here and we need the superstars that all of you enjoy
                                          > seeing every week to come out here just once. Towards that end, and in the
                                          > hopes that we will grow the sport here as a benefit to all of us, we hope Tim
                                          > doesn't select the Thanksgiving weekend too.
                                          >
                                          > Just to prove how underrepresented we are, ...ummm, Adam....Iowa is IA...not
                                          > IO...:)
                                          >
                                          > Cheers from the cornfield
                                          >
                                          > John
                                          > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                          >
                                          > From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com on behalf of Adam Myerson
                                          > Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 12:49 PM
                                          > To: USAICO
                                          > Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Tim,
                                          >
                                          > If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I
                                          > think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are
                                          > 13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                                          >
                                          > It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but
                                          > I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                                          > their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                                          >
                                          > So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                                          >
                                          > Adam
                                          >
                                          > on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@att. net
                                          > <mailto:bitmore% 40att.net> wrote:
                                          >
                                          >> Hi Tim,
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> Cheers,
                                          >>
                                          >> R
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> Robin Morton
                                          >>
                                          >> g4 Productions LLC
                                          >>
                                          >> 908 832 6909 office
                                          >>
                                          >> 908 832 6839 fax
                                          >>
                                          >> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                                          >>
                                          >> rmorton@g4events. com <mailto:rmorton% 40g4events. com>
                                          >>
                                          >> www.g4events. com
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> _____
                                          >>
                                          >> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                          >> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com> ] On Behalf
                                          >> Of
                                          >> Tim Hopkin
                                          >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                                          >> To: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                          >> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
                                          >> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                                          >> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                                          >> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                                          >> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                                          >> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                                          >> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                                          >> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                                          >> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> Tim Hopkin
                                          >>
                                          >> North Carolina Grand Prix
                                          >>
                                          >> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/
                                          >> <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/> > com
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >


                                        • Adam Myerson
                                          5.1.004 International cyclo-cross races are registered on the international calendar in accordance with the folowing classification: - world championships (CM)
                                          Message 20 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                                            5.1.004 International cyclo-cross races are registered on the international
                                            calendar in accordance with the
                                            folowing classification:
                                            - world championships (CM)
                                            - world cup (WC)
                                            - world masters championships (WMC)
                                            - continental championships (CC)
                                            - class 1 events (C1)
                                            - class 2 events (C2)
                                            The allocation of classes shall be carried out annually by the UCI
                                            management committee.
                                            However an event will only given class 1 status if the previous season¹s
                                            race had 10 foreign riders
                                            starting, representing at least 5 different nationalities.
                                            (Article introduced on 1.09.06).
                                            Protection of the dates
                                            5.1.005 No other international cyclo-cross event may be organised on the
                                            same days as the world champi-
                                            onships.
                                            No class 1 event may be held on the same day as a UCI world cup event.
                                            No class 2 event may be held on the same day as a UCI world cup event in the
                                            same country.
                                            (Article introduced on 1.09.06).


                                            on 11/6/07 3:35 PM, myles romanow at bikeguy11968@... wrote:

                                            > Isn't there some rule governing the presence of multiple uci 1's on the same
                                            > day?
                                            > M
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message ----
                                            > From: Mike Hebe <mikehebe@...>
                                            > To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 2:58:41 PM
                                            > Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                            >
                                            > Shite!
                                            > I forgot about the VERGE RI events on 12/6-7.
                                            > It was my understanding/ impression from Justin last year that USAC/UCI would
                                            > not go for three UCI events on the same weekend.
                                            > I am not a big fan of NE & MAC competing either.
                                            > Does RI have date flexibility?
                                            > Hebe
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > From: Adam Myerson
                                            > To: USAICO
                                            > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:52 PM
                                            > Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Damn, I even tried to look it up to make sure I had it right. IA looked like
                                            > Indiana to my brain. So many people get it wrong, that Google only confirmed
                                            > my mistake as correct. I tried, I swear. Sorry about that. Are you sure your
                                            > race isn't on Jupiter's moon?
                                            >
                                            > Regardless, again, I think a bigger issue for you, now that I've looked more
                                            > closely at how the weeks break out and the fact that Thanksgiving is one
                                            > week later in 2008, is where the Portland GP lands. If they go the first
                                            > weekend of December, we'll have 3 weekends of racing; USGP finals, Verge NE
                                            > finals, and MAC finals, all on the same weekend. If they stay on their same
                                            > weekend, they'll be in November, and on the weekend you've essentially moved
                                            > to.
                                            >
                                            > I know it probably doesn't feel like you moved your date, since you're
                                            > staying consistent with Thanksgiving and that's your intent, but again, in
                                            > effect, it's one week later than where you are this year.
                                            >
                                            > So for Tim, his best bet is to go the weekend before Thanksgiving right now,
                                            > and he may get that whole weekend to himself. We'll see how it shakes out,
                                            > and I don't think we can really make a good call until we know about
                                            > Portland. I don't think we can do anything about the NE and MAC finals;
                                            > those weekends are pretty set. But it seems clear someone will end up
                                            > conflicting with Portland this year, unfortunately.
                                            >
                                            > Adam
                                            >
                                            > on 11/6/07 2:35 PM, Meehan, John at john-j-meehan@ uiowa.edu wrote:
                                            >
                                            >> Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is terribly
                                            >> underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we need to drive
                                            >> about 10-12 hours to get to ANY uci cross race. We have placed our events on
                                            >> Thanksgiving in the hopes of drawing people from each coast, mainly because
                                            >> this sport needs to grow here and we need the superstars that all of you
                                            >> enjoy
                                            >> seeing every week to come out here just once. Towards that end, and in the
                                            >> hopes that we will grow the sport here as a benefit to all of us, we hope Tim
                                            >> doesn't select the Thanksgiving weekend too.
                                            >>
                                            >> Just to prove how underrepresented we are, ...ummm, Adam....Iowa is IA...not
                                            >> IO...:)
                                            >>
                                            >> Cheers from the cornfield
                                            >>
                                            >> John
                                            >> ____________ _________ _________ __
                                            >>
                                            >> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com on behalf of Adam Myerson
                                            >> Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 12:49 PM
                                            >> To: USAICO
                                            >> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >> Tim,
                                            >>
                                            >> If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I
                                            >> think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are
                                            >> 13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                                            >>
                                            >> It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but
                                            >> I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                                            >> their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                                            >>
                                            >> So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                                            >>
                                            >> Adam
                                            >>
                                            >> on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@att. net
                                            >> <mailto:bitmore% 40att.net> wrote:
                                            >>
                                            >>> Hi Tim,
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>> Cheers,
                                            >>>
                                            >>> R
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>> Robin Morton
                                            >>>
                                            >>> g4 Productions LLC
                                            >>>
                                            >>> 908 832 6909 office
                                            >>>
                                            >>> 908 832 6839 fax
                                            >>>
                                            >>> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                                            >>>
                                            >>> rmorton@g4events. com <mailto:rmorton% 40g4events. com>
                                            >>>
                                            >>> www.g4events. com
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>> _____
                                            >>>
                                            >>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                            >>> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com> ] On
                                            >>> Behalf
                                            >>> Of
                                            >>> Tim Hopkin
                                            >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                                            >>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                            >>> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
                                            >>> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                                            >>> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                                            >>> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                                            >>> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                                            >>> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                                            >>> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                                            >>> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                                            >>> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>> Tim Hopkin
                                            >>>
                                            >>> North Carolina Grand Prix
                                            >>>
                                            >>> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/
                                            >>> <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/> > com
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >
                                            >
                                          • Mitch Graham
                                            Are these rules or guidelines or both or neither? Adam Myerson wrote: 5.1.004 International
                                            Message 21 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                                              Are these rules or guidelines or both or neither?

                                              Adam Myerson <adam@...> wrote:
                                              5.1.004 International cyclo-cross races are registered on the international
                                              calendar in accordance with the
                                              folowing classification:
                                              - world championships (CM)
                                              - world cup (WC)
                                              - world masters championships (WMC)
                                              - continental championships (CC)
                                              - class 1 events (C1)
                                              - class 2 events (C2)
                                              The allocation of classes shall be carried out annually by the UCI
                                              management committee.
                                              However an event will only given class 1 status if the previous season¹s
                                              race had 10 foreign riders
                                              starting, representing at least 5 different nationalities.
                                              (Article introduced on 1.09.06).
                                              Protection of the dates
                                              5.1.005 No other international cyclo-cross event may be organised on the
                                              same days as the world champi-
                                              onships.
                                              No class 1 event may be held on the same day as a UCI world cup event.
                                              No class 2 event may be held on the same day as a UCI world cup event in the
                                              same country.
                                              (Article introduced on 1.09.06).

                                              on 11/6/07 3:35 PM, myles romanow at bikeguy11968@ yahoo.com wrote:

                                              > Isn't there some rule governing the presence of multiple uci 1's on the same
                                              > day?
                                              > M
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > ----- Original Message ----
                                              > From: Mike Hebe <mikehebe@comcast. net>
                                              > To: USAICO@yahoogroups. com
                                              > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 2:58:41 PM
                                              > Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                              >
                                              > Shite!
                                              > I forgot about the VERGE RI events on 12/6-7.
                                              > It was my understanding/ impression from Justin last year that USAC/UCI would
                                              > not go for three UCI events on the same weekend.
                                              > I am not a big fan of NE & MAC competing either.
                                              > Does RI have date flexibility?
                                              > Hebe
                                              >
                                              > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > From: Adam Myerson
                                              > To: USAICO
                                              > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:52 PM
                                              > Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Damn, I even tried to look it up to make sure I had it right. IA looked like
                                              > Indiana to my brain. So many people get it wrong, that Google only confirmed
                                              > my mistake as correct. I tried, I swear. Sorry about that. Are you sure your
                                              > race isn't on Jupiter's moon?
                                              >
                                              > Regardless, again, I think a bigger issue for you, now that I've looked more
                                              > closely at how the weeks break out and the fact that Thanksgiving is one
                                              > week later in 2008, is where the Portland GP lands. If they go the first
                                              > weekend of December, we'll have 3 weekends of racing; USGP finals, Verge NE
                                              > finals, and MAC finals, all on the same weekend. If they stay on their same
                                              > weekend, they'll be in November, and on the weekend you've essentially moved
                                              > to.
                                              >
                                              > I know it probably doesn't feel like you moved your date, since you're
                                              > staying consistent with Thanksgiving and that's your intent, but again, in
                                              > effect, it's one week later than where you are this year.
                                              >
                                              > So for Tim, his best bet is to go the weekend before Thanksgiving right now,
                                              > and he may get that whole weekend to himself. We'll see how it shakes out,
                                              > and I don't think we can really make a good call until we know about
                                              > Portland. I don't think we can do anything about the NE and MAC finals;
                                              > those weekends are pretty set. But it seems clear someone will end up
                                              > conflicting with Portland this year, unfortunately.
                                              >
                                              > Adam
                                              >
                                              > on 11/6/07 2:35 PM, Meehan, John at john-j-meehan@ uiowa.edu wrote:
                                              >
                                              >> Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is terribly
                                              >> underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we need to drive
                                              >> about 10-12 hours to get to ANY uci cross race. We have placed our events on
                                              >> Thanksgiving in the hopes of drawing people from each coast, mainly because
                                              >> this sport needs to grow here and we need the superstars that all of you
                                              >> enjoy
                                              >> seeing every week to come out here just once. Towards that end, and in the
                                              >> hopes that we will grow the sport here as a benefit to all of us, we hope Tim
                                              >> doesn't select the Thanksgiving weekend too.
                                              >>
                                              >> Just to prove how underrepresented we are, ...ummm, Adam....Iowa is IA...not
                                              >> IO...:)
                                              >>
                                              >> Cheers from the cornfield
                                              >>
                                              >> John
                                              >> ____________ _________ _________ __
                                              >>
                                              >> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com on behalf of Adam Myerson
                                              >> Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 12:49 PM
                                              >> To: USAICO
                                              >> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >> Tim,
                                              >>
                                              >> If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I
                                              >> think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are
                                              >> 13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                                              >>
                                              >> It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but
                                              >> I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                                              >> their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                                              >>
                                              >> So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                                              >>
                                              >> Adam
                                              >>
                                              >> on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@att. net
                                              >> <mailto:bitmore% 40att.net> wrote:
                                              >>
                                              >>> Hi Tim,
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>> Cheers,
                                              >>>
                                              >>> R
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>> Robin Morton
                                              >>>
                                              >>> g4 Productions LLC
                                              >>>
                                              >>> 908 832 6909 office
                                              >>>
                                              >>> 908 832 6839 fax
                                              >>>
                                              >>> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                                              >>>
                                              >>> rmorton@g4events. com <mailto:rmorton% 40g4events. com>
                                              >>>
                                              >>> www.g4events. com
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>> _____
                                              >>>
                                              >>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                              >>> [mailto:USAICO@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com> ] On
                                              >>> Behalf
                                              >>> Of
                                              >>> Tim Hopkin
                                              >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                                              >>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                              >>> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are scheduled
                                              >>> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                                              >>> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                                              >>> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                                              >>> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                                              >>> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                                              >>> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                                              >>> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                                              >>> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>> Tim Hopkin
                                              >>>
                                              >>> North Carolina Grand Prix
                                              >>>
                                              >>> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/
                                              >>> <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/> > com
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>>
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >>
                                              >
                                              >


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                                            • Adam Myerson
                                              It depends on who you re asking, when, and why. If you re wondering about the 10 foreign riders to be a C1, no, the UCI has not held us to that standard yet.
                                              Message 22 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                                                It depends on who you're asking, when, and why.

                                                If you're wondering about the 10 foreign riders to be a C1, no, the UCI has
                                                not held us to that standard yet.

                                                Adam


                                                on 11/6/07 4:06 PM, Mitch Graham at mitch_biowheels@... wrote:

                                                > Are these rules or guidelines or both or neither?
                                                >
                                                > Adam Myerson <adam@...> wrote:
                                                > 5.1.004 International cyclo-cross races are registered on the international
                                                > calendar in accordance with the
                                                > folowing classification:
                                                > - world championships (CM)
                                                > - world cup (WC)
                                                > - world masters championships (WMC)
                                                > - continental championships (CC)
                                                > - class 1 events (C1)
                                                > - class 2 events (C2)
                                                > The allocation of classes shall be carried out annually by the UCI
                                                > management committee.
                                                > However an event will only given class 1 status if the previous season¹s
                                                > race had 10 foreign riders
                                                > starting, representing at least 5 different nationalities.
                                                > (Article introduced on 1.09.06).
                                                > Protection of the dates
                                                > 5.1.005 No other international cyclo-cross event may be organised on the
                                                > same days as the world champi-
                                                > onships.
                                                > No class 1 event may be held on the same day as a UCI world cup event.
                                                > No class 2 event may be held on the same day as a UCI world cup event in the
                                                > same country.
                                                > (Article introduced on 1.09.06).
                                                >
                                                > on 11/6/07 3:35 PM, myles romanow at bikeguy11968@... wrote:
                                                >
                                                >> Isn't there some rule governing the presence of multiple uci 1's on the same
                                                >> day?
                                                >> M
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >> ----- Original Message ----
                                                >> From: Mike Hebe <mikehebe@...>
                                                >> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
                                                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 2:58:41 PM
                                                >> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                >>
                                                >> Shite!
                                                >> I forgot about the VERGE RI events on 12/6-7.
                                                >> It was my understanding/ impression from Justin last year that USAC/UCI would
                                                >> not go for three UCI events on the same weekend.
                                                >> I am not a big fan of NE & MAC competing either.
                                                >> Does RI have date flexibility?
                                                >> Hebe
                                                >>
                                                >> ----- Original Message -----
                                                >> From: Adam Myerson
                                                >> To: USAICO
                                                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:52 PM
                                                >> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >> Damn, I even tried to look it up to make sure I had it right. IA looked like
                                                >> Indiana to my brain. So many people get it wrong, that Google only confirmed
                                                >> my mistake as correct. I tried, I swear. Sorry about that. Are you sure your
                                                >> race isn't on Jupiter's moon?
                                                >>
                                                >> Regardless, again, I think a bigger issue for you, now that I've looked more
                                                >> closely at how the weeks break out and the fact that Thanksgiving is one
                                                >> week later in 2008, is where the Portland GP lands. If they go the first
                                                >> weekend of December, we'll have 3 weekends of racing; USGP finals, Verge NE
                                                >> finals, and MAC finals, all on the same weekend. If they stay on their same
                                                >> weekend, they'll be in November, and on the weekend you've essentially moved
                                                >> to.
                                                >>
                                                >> I know it probably doesn't feel like you moved your date, since you're
                                                >> staying consistent with Thanksgiving and that's your intent, but again, in
                                                >> effect, it's one week later than where you are this year.
                                                >>
                                                >> So for Tim, his best bet is to go the weekend before Thanksgiving right now,
                                                >> and he may get that whole weekend to himself. We'll see how it shakes out,
                                                >> and I don't think we can really make a good call until we know about
                                                >> Portland. I don't think we can do anything about the NE and MAC finals;
                                                >> those weekends are pretty set. But it seems clear someone will end up
                                                >> conflicting with Portland this year, unfortunately.
                                                >>
                                                >> Adam
                                                >>
                                                >> on 11/6/07 2:35 PM, Meehan, John at john-j-meehan@ uiowa.edu wrote:
                                                >>
                                                >>> Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is terribly
                                                >>> underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we need to drive
                                                >>> about 10-12 hours to get to ANY uci cross race. We have placed our events on
                                                >>> Thanksgiving in the hopes of drawing people from each coast, mainly because
                                                >>> this sport needs to grow here and we need the superstars that all of you
                                                >>> enjoy
                                                >>> seeing every week to come out here just once. Towards that end, and in the
                                                >>> hopes that we will grow the sport here as a benefit to all of us, we hope
                                                >>> Tim
                                                >>> doesn't select the Thanksgiving weekend too.
                                                >>>
                                                >>> Just to prove how underrepresented we are, ...ummm, Adam....Iowa is IA...not
                                                >>> IO...:)
                                                >>>
                                                >>> Cheers from the cornfield
                                                >>>
                                                >>> John
                                                >>> ____________ _________ _________ __
                                                >>>
                                                >>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com on behalf of Adam Myerson
                                                >>> Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 12:49 PM
                                                >>> To: USAICO
                                                >>> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>> Tim,
                                                >>>
                                                >>> If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I
                                                >>> think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are
                                                >>> 13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                                                >>>
                                                >>> It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but
                                                >>> I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                                                >>> their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                                                >>>
                                                >>> So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                                                >>>
                                                >>> Adam
                                                >>>
                                                >>> on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@att. net
                                                >>> <mailto:bitmore% 40att.net> wrote:
                                                >>>
                                                >>>> Hi Tim,
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> Cheers,
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> R
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> Robin Morton
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> g4 Productions LLC
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> 908 832 6909 office
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> 908 832 6839 fax
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> rmorton@g4events. com <mailto:rmorton% 40g4events. com>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> www.g4events. com
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> _____
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                                >>>> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com> ] On
                                                >>>> Behalf
                                                >>>> Of
                                                >>>> Tim Hopkin
                                                >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                                                >>>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                                >>>> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are
                                                >>>> scheduled
                                                >>>> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                                                >>>> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                                                >>>> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                                                >>>> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                                                >>>> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                                                >>>> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                                                >>>> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                                                >>>> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> Tim Hopkin
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/
                                                >>>> <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/> > com
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>
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                                              • joan hanscom
                                                Hi all, Right now the dates we are proposing for the 2008 USGP are as follows: November 1st and 2nd - Louisville, KY November 15 and 16 - Mercer Co. NJ and
                                                Message 23 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                                                  Hi all,

                                                  Right now the dates we are proposing for the 2008 USGP are as follows:

                                                  November 1st and 2nd - Louisville, KY
                                                  November 15 and 16 - Mercer Co. NJ
                                                  and 
                                                  December 6th and 7th - Portland, OR

                                                  We're hopeful that all our events will be C1 next year and as Robin mentioned in her earlier email we are still pending approval of dates with venues in a couple locations.

                                                  Cheers!

                                                  joan


                                                  On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Adam Myerson wrote:

                                                  It depends on who you're asking, when, and why.

                                                  If you're wondering about the 10 foreign riders to be a C1, no, the UCI has
                                                  not held us to that standard yet.

                                                  Adam

                                                  on 11/6/07 4:06 PM, Mitch Graham at mitch_biowheels@yahoo.com wrote:

                                                  > Are these rules or guidelines or both or neither?
                                                  >
                                                  > Adam Myerson <adam@cycle-smart.com> wrote:
                                                  > 5.1.004 International cyclo-cross races are registered on the international
                                                  > calendar in accordance with the
                                                  > folowing classification:
                                                  > - world championships (CM)
                                                  > - world cup (WC)
                                                  > - world masters championships (WMC)
                                                  > - continental championships (CC)
                                                  > - class 1 events (C1)
                                                  > - class 2 events (C2)
                                                  > The allocation of classes shall be carried out annually by the UCI
                                                  > management committee.
                                                  > However an event will only given class 1 status if the previous season¹s
                                                  > race had 10 foreign riders
                                                  > starting, representing at least 5 different nationalities.
                                                  > (Article introduced on 1.09.06).
                                                  > Protection of the dates
                                                  > 5.1.005 No other international cyclo-cross event may be organised on the
                                                  > same days as the world champi-
                                                  > onships.
                                                  > No class 1 event may be held on the same day as a UCI world cup event.
                                                  > No class 2 event may be held on the same day as a UCI world cup event in the
                                                  > same country.
                                                  > (Article introduced on 1.09.06).
                                                  >
                                                  > on 11/6/07 3:35 PM, myles romanow at bikeguy11968@yahoo.com wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  >> Isn't there some rule governing the presence of multiple uci 1's on the same
                                                  >> day?
                                                  >> M
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
                                                  >> ----- Original Message ----
                                                  >> From: Mike Hebe <mikehebe@comcast.net>
                                                  >> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
                                                  >> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 2:58:41 PM
                                                  >> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                  >>
                                                  >> Shite!
                                                  >> I forgot about the VERGE RI events on 12/6-7.
                                                  >> It was my understanding/ impression from Justin last year that USAC/UCI would
                                                  >> not go for three UCI events on the same weekend.
                                                  >> I am not a big fan of NE & MAC competing either.
                                                  >> Does RI have date flexibility?
                                                  >> Hebe
                                                  >>
                                                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                                                  >> From: Adam Myerson
                                                  >> To: USAICO
                                                  >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:52 PM
                                                  >> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
                                                  >> Damn, I even tried to look it up to make sure I had it right. IA looked like
                                                  >> Indiana to my brain. So many people get it wrong, that Google only confirmed
                                                  >> my mistake as correct. I tried, I swear. Sorry about that. Are you sure your
                                                  >> race isn't on Jupiter's moon?
                                                  >>
                                                  >> Regardless, again, I think a bigger issue for you, now that I've looked more
                                                  >> closely at how the weeks break out and the fact that Thanksgiving is one
                                                  >> week later in 2008, is where the Portland GP lands. If they go the first
                                                  >> weekend of December, we'll have 3 weekends of racing; USGP finals, Verge NE
                                                  >> finals, and MAC finals, all on the same weekend. If they stay on their same
                                                  >> weekend, they'll be in November, and on the weekend you've essentially moved
                                                  >> to.
                                                  >>
                                                  >> I know it probably doesn't feel like you moved your date, since you're
                                                  >> staying consistent with Thanksgiving and that's your intent, but again, in
                                                  >> effect, it's one week later than where you are this year.
                                                  >>
                                                  >> So for Tim, his best bet is to go the weekend before Thanksgiving right now,
                                                  >> and he may get that whole weekend to himself. We'll see how it shakes out,
                                                  >> and I don't think we can really make a good call until we know about
                                                  >> Portland. I don't think we can do anything about the NE and MAC finals;
                                                  >> those weekends are pretty set. But it seems clear someone will end up
                                                  >> conflicting with Portland this year, unfortunately.
                                                  >>
                                                  >> Adam
                                                  >>
                                                  >> on 11/6/07 2:35 PM, Meehan, John at john-j-meehan@ uiowa.edu wrote:
                                                  >>
                                                  >>> Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is terribly
                                                  >>> underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we need to drive
                                                  >>> about 10-12 hours to get to ANY uci cross race. We have placed our events on
                                                  >>> Thanksgiving in the hopes of drawing people from each coast, mainly because
                                                  >>> this sport needs to grow here and we need the superstars that all of you
                                                  >>> enjoy
                                                  >>> seeing every week to come out here just once. Towards that end, and in the
                                                  >>> hopes that we will grow the sport here as a benefit to all of us, we hope
                                                  >>> Tim
                                                  >>> doesn't select the Thanksgiving weekend too.
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>> Just to prove how underrepresented we are, ...ummm, Adam....Iowa is IA...not
                                                  >>> IO...:)
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>> Cheers from the cornfield
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>> John
                                                  >>> ____________ _________ _________ __
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com on behalf of Adam Myerson
                                                  >>> Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 12:49 PM
                                                  >>> To: USAICO
                                                  >>> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>> Tim,
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>> If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it stands, I
                                                  >>> think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO that are
                                                  >>> 13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9 hours away.
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>> It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that weekend, but
                                                  >>> I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful race, serve
                                                  >>> their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract media reports.
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>> So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>> Adam
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>> on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@att. net
                                                  >>> <mailto:bitmore% 40att.net> wrote:
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>>> Hi Tim,
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> Cheers,
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> R
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> Robin Morton
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> g4 Productions LLC
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> 908 832 6909 office
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> 908 832 6839 fax
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> rmorton@g4events. com <mailto:rmorton% 40g4events. com>
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> www.g4events. com
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> _____
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                                  >>>> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com> ] On
                                                  >>>> Behalf
                                                  >>>> Of
                                                  >>>> Tim Hopkin
                                                  >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                                                  >>>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                                  >>>> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races are
                                                  >>>> scheduled
                                                  >>>> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP continues to use
                                                  >>>> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the West Coast.
                                                  >>>> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year we are going
                                                  >>>> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours which I am
                                                  >>>> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to increase the
                                                  >>>> travel time between the races). I know everything will work out and these
                                                  >>>> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the NCGP on
                                                  >>>> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar friendlier.
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> Tim Hopkin
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/
                                                  >>>> <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/> > com
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>>
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>>
                                                  >>
                                                  >>
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                                                • Adam Myerson
                                                  Thanks, Joan. I have an e-mail in right now to Look Park, asking if I can go on the 25-26th of October. This might work out really well for me, as it will get
                                                  Message 24 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                                                    Thanks, Joan.

                                                    I have an e-mail in right now to Look Park, asking if I can go on the
                                                    25-26th of October.

                                                    This might work out really well for me, as it will get me off of the Boulder
                                                    weekend. It might mean Chris will want to go one weekend later himself.

                                                    Adam


                                                    on 11/6/07 4:41 PM, joan hanscom at jhanscom@... wrote:

                                                    > Hi all,
                                                    >
                                                    > Right now the dates we are proposing for the 2008 USGP are as follows:
                                                    >
                                                    > November 1st and 2nd - Louisville, KY
                                                    > November 15 and 16 - Mercer Co. NJ
                                                    > and
                                                    > December 6th and 7th - Portland, OR
                                                    >
                                                    > We're hopeful that all our events will be C1 next year and as Robin
                                                    > mentioned in her earlier email we are still pending approval of dates
                                                    > with venues in a couple locations.
                                                    >
                                                    > Cheers!
                                                    >
                                                    > joan
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Adam Myerson wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    >> It depends on who you're asking, when, and why.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> If you're wondering about the 10 foreign riders to be a C1, no, the
                                                    >> UCI has
                                                    >> not held us to that standard yet.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Adam
                                                    >>
                                                    >> on 11/6/07 4:06 PM, Mitch Graham at mitch_biowheels@... wrote:
                                                    >>
                                                    >>> Are these rules or guidelines or both or neither?
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>> Adam Myerson <adam@...> wrote:
                                                    >>> 5.1.004 International cyclo-cross races are registered on the
                                                    >> international
                                                    >>> calendar in accordance with the
                                                    >>> folowing classification:
                                                    >>> - world championships (CM)
                                                    >>> - world cup (WC)
                                                    >>> - world masters championships (WMC)
                                                    >>> - continental championships (CC)
                                                    >>> - class 1 events (C1)
                                                    >>> - class 2 events (C2)
                                                    >>> The allocation of classes shall be carried out annually by the UCI
                                                    >>> management committee.
                                                    >>> However an event will only given class 1 status if the previous
                                                    >> season¹s
                                                    >>> race had 10 foreign riders
                                                    >>> starting, representing at least 5 different nationalities.
                                                    >>> (Article introduced on 1.09.06).
                                                    >>> Protection of the dates
                                                    >>> 5.1.005 No other international cyclo-cross event may be organised
                                                    >> on the
                                                    >>> same days as the world champi-
                                                    >>> onships.
                                                    >>> No class 1 event may be held on the same day as a UCI world cup
                                                    >> event.
                                                    >>> No class 2 event may be held on the same day as a UCI world cup
                                                    >> event in the
                                                    >>> same country.
                                                    >>> (Article introduced on 1.09.06).
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>> on 11/6/07 3:35 PM, myles romanow at bikeguy11968@... wrote:
                                                    >>>
                                                    >>>> Isn't there some rule governing the presence of multiple uci 1's
                                                    >> on the same
                                                    >>>> day?
                                                    >>>> M
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>> ----- Original Message ----
                                                    >>>> From: Mike Hebe <mikehebe@...>
                                                    >>>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 2:58:41 PM
                                                    >>>> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>> Shite!
                                                    >>>> I forgot about the VERGE RI events on 12/6-7.
                                                    >>>> It was my understanding/ impression from Justin last year that
                                                    >> USAC/UCI would
                                                    >>>> not go for three UCI events on the same weekend.
                                                    >>>> I am not a big fan of NE & MAC competing either.
                                                    >>>> Does RI have date flexibility?
                                                    >>>> Hebe
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>> ----- Original Message -----
                                                    >>>> From: Adam Myerson
                                                    >>>> To: USAICO
                                                    >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:52 PM
                                                    >>>> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>> Damn, I even tried to look it up to make sure I had it right. IA
                                                    >> looked like
                                                    >>>> Indiana to my brain. So many people get it wrong, that Google
                                                    >> only confirmed
                                                    >>>> my mistake as correct. I tried, I swear. Sorry about that. Are
                                                    >> you sure your
                                                    >>>> race isn't on Jupiter's moon?
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>> Regardless, again, I think a bigger issue for you, now that I've
                                                    >> looked more
                                                    >>>> closely at how the weeks break out and the fact that
                                                    >> Thanksgiving is one
                                                    >>>> week later in 2008, is where the Portland GP lands. If they go
                                                    >> the first
                                                    >>>> weekend of December, we'll have 3 weekends of racing; USGP
                                                    >> finals, Verge NE
                                                    >>>> finals, and MAC finals, all on the same weekend. If they stay on
                                                    >> their same
                                                    >>>> weekend, they'll be in November, and on the weekend you've
                                                    >> essentially moved
                                                    >>>> to.
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>> I know it probably doesn't feel like you moved your date, since
                                                    >> you're
                                                    >>>> staying consistent with Thanksgiving and that's your intent, but
                                                    >> again, in
                                                    >>>> effect, it's one week later than where you are this year.
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>> So for Tim, his best bet is to go the weekend before
                                                    >> Thanksgiving right now,
                                                    >>>> and he may get that whole weekend to himself. We'll see how it
                                                    >> shakes out,
                                                    >>>> and I don't think we can really make a good call until we know
                                                    >> about
                                                    >>>> Portland. I don't think we can do anything about the NE and MAC
                                                    >> finals;
                                                    >>>> those weekends are pretty set. But it seems clear someone will
                                                    >> end up
                                                    >>>> conflicting with Portland this year, unfortunately.
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>> Adam
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>> on 11/6/07 2:35 PM, Meehan, John at john-j-meehan@ uiowa.edu wrote:
                                                    >>>>
                                                    >>>>> Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is
                                                    >> terribly
                                                    >>>>> underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we
                                                    >> need to drive
                                                    >>>>> about 10-12 hours to get to ANY uci cross race. We have placed
                                                    >> our events on
                                                    >>>>> Thanksgiving in the hopes of drawing people from each coast,
                                                    >> mainly because
                                                    >>>>> this sport needs to grow here and we need the superstars that
                                                    >> all of you
                                                    >>>>> enjoy
                                                    >>>>> seeing every week to come out here just once. Towards that end,
                                                    >> and in the
                                                    >>>>> hopes that we will grow the sport here as a benefit to all of
                                                    >> us, we hope
                                                    >>>>> Tim
                                                    >>>>> doesn't select the Thanksgiving weekend too.
                                                    >>>>>
                                                    >>>>> Just to prove how underrepresented we are, ...ummm,
                                                    >> Adam....Iowa is IA...not
                                                    >>>>> IO...:)
                                                    >>>>>
                                                    >>>>> Cheers from the cornfield
                                                    >>>>>
                                                    >>>>> John
                                                    >>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
                                                    >>>>>
                                                    >>>>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com on behalf of Adam Myerson
                                                    >>>>> Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 12:49 PM
                                                    >>>>> To: USAICO
                                                    >>>>> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                    >>>>>
                                                    >>>>>
                                                    >>>>>
                                                    >>>>> Tim,
                                                    >>>>>
                                                    >>>>> If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it
                                                    >> stands, I
                                                    >>>>> think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO
                                                    >> that are
                                                    >>>>> 13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9
                                                    >> hours away.
                                                    >>>>>
                                                    >>>>> It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that
                                                    >> weekend, but
                                                    >>>>> I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful
                                                    >> race, serve
                                                    >>>>> their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract
                                                    >> media reports.
                                                    >>>>>
                                                    >>>>> So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                                                    >>>>>
                                                    >>>>> Adam
                                                    >>>>>
                                                    >>>>> on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@att. net
                                                    >>>>> <mailto:bitmore% 40att.net> wrote:
                                                    >>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> Hi Tim,
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> Cheers,
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> R
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> Robin Morton
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> g4 Productions LLC
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> 908 832 6909 office
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> 908 832 6839 fax
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> rmorton@g4events. com <mailto:rmorton% 40g4events. com>
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> www.g4events. com
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> _____
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                                    >>>>>> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups.
                                                    >> com> ] On
                                                    >>>>>> Behalf
                                                    >>>>>> Of
                                                    >>>>>> Tim Hopkin
                                                    >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                                                    >>>>>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                                    >>>>>> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races
                                                    >> are
                                                    >>>>>> scheduled
                                                    >>>>>> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP
                                                    >> continues to use
                                                    >>>>>> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the
                                                    >> West Coast.
                                                    >>>>>> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year
                                                    >> we are going
                                                    >>>>>> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours
                                                    >> which I am
                                                    >>>>>> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to
                                                    >> increase the
                                                    >>>>>> travel time between the races). I know everything will work
                                                    >> out and these
                                                    >>>>>> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the
                                                    >> NCGP on
                                                    >>>>>> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar
                                                    >> friendlier.
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> Tim Hopkin
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/
                                                    >>>>>> <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/> > com
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>>
                                                    >>>>>
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                                                  • Adam Myerson
                                                    Ah, never mind for me going earlier. Haunted Train Ride the weekend before Halloween at Look Park. I may be stuck on my date. Adam
                                                    Message 25 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                                                      Ah, never mind for me going earlier. Haunted Train Ride the weekend before
                                                      Halloween at Look Park. I may be stuck on my date.

                                                      Adam


                                                      on 11/6/07 6:02 PM, Adam Myerson at adam@... wrote:

                                                      > Thanks, Joan.
                                                      >
                                                      > I have an e-mail in right now to Look Park, asking if I can go on the 25-26th
                                                      > of October.
                                                      >
                                                      > This might work out really well for me, as it will get me off of the Boulder
                                                      > weekend. It might mean Chris will want to go one weekend later himself.
                                                      >
                                                      > Adam
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > on 11/6/07 4:41 PM, joan hanscom at jhanscom@... wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      >> Hi all,
                                                      >>
                                                      >> Right now the dates we are proposing for the 2008 USGP are as follows:
                                                      >>
                                                      >> November 1st and 2nd - Louisville, KY
                                                      >> November 15 and 16 - Mercer Co. NJ
                                                      >> and
                                                      >> December 6th and 7th - Portland, OR
                                                      >>
                                                      >> We're hopeful that all our events will be C1 next year and as Robin
                                                      >> mentioned in her earlier email we are still pending approval of dates
                                                      >> with venues in a couple locations.
                                                      >>
                                                      >> Cheers!
                                                      >>
                                                      >> joan
                                                      >>
                                                      >>
                                                      >> On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Adam Myerson wrote:
                                                      >>
                                                      >>> It depends on who you're asking, when, and why.
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> If you're wondering about the 10 foreign riders to be a C1, no, the
                                                      >>> UCI has
                                                      >>> not held us to that standard yet.
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> Adam
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>> on 11/6/07 4:06 PM, Mitch Graham at mitch_biowheels@... wrote:
                                                      >>>
                                                      >>>> Are these rules or guidelines or both or neither?
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>> Adam Myerson <adam@...> wrote:
                                                      >>>> 5.1.004 International cyclo-cross races are registered on the
                                                      >>> international
                                                      >>>> calendar in accordance with the
                                                      >>>> folowing classification:
                                                      >>>> - world championships (CM)
                                                      >>>> - world cup (WC)
                                                      >>>> - world masters championships (WMC)
                                                      >>>> - continental championships (CC)
                                                      >>>> - class 1 events (C1)
                                                      >>>> - class 2 events (C2)
                                                      >>>> The allocation of classes shall be carried out annually by the UCI
                                                      >>>> management committee.
                                                      >>>> However an event will only given class 1 status if the previous
                                                      >>> season¹s
                                                      >>>> race had 10 foreign riders
                                                      >>>> starting, representing at least 5 different nationalities.
                                                      >>>> (Article introduced on 1.09.06).
                                                      >>>> Protection of the dates
                                                      >>>> 5.1.005 No other international cyclo-cross event may be organised
                                                      >>> on the
                                                      >>>> same days as the world champi-
                                                      >>>> onships.
                                                      >>>> No class 1 event may be held on the same day as a UCI world cup
                                                      >>> event.
                                                      >>>> No class 2 event may be held on the same day as a UCI world cup
                                                      >>> event in the
                                                      >>>> same country.
                                                      >>>> (Article introduced on 1.09.06).
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>> on 11/6/07 3:35 PM, myles romanow at bikeguy11968@... wrote:
                                                      >>>>
                                                      >>>>> Isn't there some rule governing the presence of multiple uci 1's
                                                      >>> on the same
                                                      >>>>> day?
                                                      >>>>> M
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>> ----- Original Message ----
                                                      >>>>> From: Mike Hebe <mikehebe@...>
                                                      >>>>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 2:58:41 PM
                                                      >>>>> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>> Shite!
                                                      >>>>> I forgot about the VERGE RI events on 12/6-7.
                                                      >>>>> It was my understanding/ impression from Justin last year that
                                                      >>> USAC/UCI would
                                                      >>>>> not go for three UCI events on the same weekend.
                                                      >>>>> I am not a big fan of NE & MAC competing either.
                                                      >>>>> Does RI have date flexibility?
                                                      >>>>> Hebe
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
                                                      >>>>> From: Adam Myerson
                                                      >>>>> To: USAICO
                                                      >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:52 PM
                                                      >>>>> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>> Damn, I even tried to look it up to make sure I had it right. IA
                                                      >>> looked like
                                                      >>>>> Indiana to my brain. So many people get it wrong, that Google
                                                      >>> only confirmed
                                                      >>>>> my mistake as correct. I tried, I swear. Sorry about that. Are
                                                      >>> you sure your
                                                      >>>>> race isn't on Jupiter's moon?
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>> Regardless, again, I think a bigger issue for you, now that I've
                                                      >>> looked more
                                                      >>>>> closely at how the weeks break out and the fact that
                                                      >>> Thanksgiving is one
                                                      >>>>> week later in 2008, is where the Portland GP lands. If they go
                                                      >>> the first
                                                      >>>>> weekend of December, we'll have 3 weekends of racing; USGP
                                                      >>> finals, Verge NE
                                                      >>>>> finals, and MAC finals, all on the same weekend. If they stay on
                                                      >>> their same
                                                      >>>>> weekend, they'll be in November, and on the weekend you've
                                                      >>> essentially moved
                                                      >>>>> to.
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>> I know it probably doesn't feel like you moved your date, since
                                                      >>> you're
                                                      >>>>> staying consistent with Thanksgiving and that's your intent, but
                                                      >>> again, in
                                                      >>>>> effect, it's one week later than where you are this year.
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>> So for Tim, his best bet is to go the weekend before
                                                      >>> Thanksgiving right now,
                                                      >>>>> and he may get that whole weekend to himself. We'll see how it
                                                      >>> shakes out,
                                                      >>>>> and I don't think we can really make a good call until we know
                                                      >>> about
                                                      >>>>> Portland. I don't think we can do anything about the NE and MAC
                                                      >>> finals;
                                                      >>>>> those weekends are pretty set. But it seems clear someone will
                                                      >>> end up
                                                      >>>>> conflicting with Portland this year, unfortunately.
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>> Adam
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>> on 11/6/07 2:35 PM, Meehan, John at john-j-meehan@ uiowa.edu wrote:
                                                      >>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is
                                                      >>> terribly
                                                      >>>>>> underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we
                                                      >>> need to drive
                                                      >>>>>> about 10-12 hours to get to ANY uci cross race. We have placed
                                                      >>> our events on
                                                      >>>>>> Thanksgiving in the hopes of drawing people from each coast,
                                                      >>> mainly because
                                                      >>>>>> this sport needs to grow here and we need the superstars that
                                                      >>> all of you
                                                      >>>>>> enjoy
                                                      >>>>>> seeing every week to come out here just once. Towards that end,
                                                      >>> and in the
                                                      >>>>>> hopes that we will grow the sport here as a benefit to all of
                                                      >>> us, we hope
                                                      >>>>>> Tim
                                                      >>>>>> doesn't select the Thanksgiving weekend too.
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> Just to prove how underrepresented we are, ...ummm,
                                                      >>> Adam....Iowa is IA...not
                                                      >>>>>> IO...:)
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> Cheers from the cornfield
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> John
                                                      >>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com on behalf of Adam Myerson
                                                      >>>>>> Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 12:49 PM
                                                      >>>>>> To: USAICO
                                                      >>>>>> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> Tim,
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it
                                                      >>> stands, I
                                                      >>>>>> think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO
                                                      >>> that are
                                                      >>>>>> 13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9
                                                      >>> hours away.
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that
                                                      >>> weekend, but
                                                      >>>>>> I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful
                                                      >>> race, serve
                                                      >>>>>> their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract
                                                      >>> media reports.
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> Adam
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@att. net
                                                      >>>>>> <mailto:bitmore% 40att.net> wrote:
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> Hi Tim,
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> Cheers,
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> R
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> Robin Morton
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> g4 Productions LLC
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> 908 832 6909 office
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> 908 832 6839 fax
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> rmorton@g4events. com <mailto:rmorton% 40g4events. com>
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> www.g4events. com
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> _____
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                                      >>>>>>> [mailto:USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups.
                                                      >>> com> ] On
                                                      >>>>>>> Behalf
                                                      >>>>>>> Of
                                                      >>>>>>> Tim Hopkin
                                                      >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                                                      >>>>>>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                                      >>>>>>> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races
                                                      >>> are
                                                      >>>>>>> scheduled
                                                      >>>>>>> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP
                                                      >>> continues to use
                                                      >>>>>>> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the
                                                      >>> West Coast.
                                                      >>>>>>> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This year
                                                      >>> we are going
                                                      >>>>>>> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours
                                                      >>> which I am
                                                      >>>>>>> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to
                                                      >>> increase the
                                                      >>>>>>> travel time between the races). I know everything will work
                                                      >>> out and these
                                                      >>>>>>> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the
                                                      >>> NCGP on
                                                      >>>>>>> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar
                                                      >>> friendlier.
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> Tim Hopkin
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>> www.nccyclocross. <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/
                                                      >>>>>>> <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/> > com
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>>
                                                      >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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                                                      >> USGP of Cyclocross - Event Marketing Director
                                                      >> SKYPE ME: JoanHan16
                                                      >> Office: 484.461.5171
                                                      >> Mobile: 484.995.0547
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                                                    • myles romanow
                                                      At this point it would appear that whitmore s is moving to Nov 22rd 23rd. If there is not a world cup effort in North America this year, we will speak about
                                                      Message 26 of 26 , Nov 6, 2007
                                                        At this point it would appear that whitmore's is moving to Nov 22rd 23rd.  If there is not a world cup effort in North America this year, we will speak about moving the event, or doing another  event the WC weekend to fill the hole in the north american calendar.  
                                                         
                                                         
                                                        m


                                                         
                                                        ----- Original Message ----
                                                        From: Adam Myerson <adam@...>
                                                        To: USAICO <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
                                                        Cc: Chris Grealish <Bcourier@...>
                                                        Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 6:08:41 PM
                                                        Subject: [USAICO] Re: USGP dates

                                                        Ah, never mind for me going earlier. Haunted Train Ride the weekend before
                                                        Halloween at Look Park. I may be stuck on my date.

                                                        Adam

                                                        on 11/6/07 6:02 PM, Adam Myerson at adam@cycle-smart. com wrote:

                                                        > Thanks, Joan.
                                                        >
                                                        > I have an e-mail in right now to Look Park, asking if I can go on the 25-26th
                                                        > of October.
                                                        >
                                                        > This might work out really well for me, as it will get me off of the Boulder
                                                        > weekend. It might mean Chris will want to go one weekend later himself.
                                                        >
                                                        > Adam
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > on 11/6/07 4:41 PM, joan hanscom at jhanscom@g4events. com wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        >> Hi all,
                                                        >>
                                                        >> Right now the dates we are proposing for the
                                                        2008 USGP are as follows:
                                                        >>
                                                        >> November 1st and 2nd - Louisville, KY
                                                        >> November 15 and 16 - Mercer Co. NJ
                                                        >> and
                                                        >> December 6th and 7th - Portland, OR
                                                        >>
                                                        >> We're hopeful that all our events will be C1 next year and as Robin
                                                        >> mentioned in her earlier email we are still pending approval of dates
                                                        >> with venues in a couple locations.
                                                        >>
                                                        >> Cheers!
                                                        >>
                                                        >> joan
                                                        >>
                                                        >>
                                                        >> On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Adam Myerson wrote:
                                                        >>
                                                        >>> It depends on who you're asking, when, and why.
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>> If you're wondering about the 10 foreign riders to be a C1, no, the
                                                        >>> UCI has
                                                        >>> not held us to that standard yet.
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>> Adam
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>> on 11/6/07 4:06 PM, Mitch Graham at
                                                        href="mailto:mitch_biowheels%40yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:mitch_biowheels%40yahoo.com">mitch_biowheels@ yahoo.com wrote:
                                                        >>>
                                                        >>>> Are these rules or guidelines or both or neither?
                                                        >>>>
                                                        >>>> Adam Myerson <adam@cycle-smart. com> wrote:
                                                        >>>> 5.1.004 International cyclo-cross races are registered on the
                                                        >>> international
                                                        >>>> calendar in accordance with the
                                                        >>>> folowing classification:
                                                        >>>> - world championships (CM)
                                                        >>>> - world cup (WC)
                                                        >>>> - world masters championships (WMC)
                                                        >>>> - continental championships (CC)
                                                        >>>> - class 1 events (C1)
                                                        >>>> - class 2 events (C2)
                                                        >>>> The allocation of
                                                        classes shall be carried out annually by the UCI
                                                        >>>> management committee.
                                                        >>>> However an event will only given class 1 status if the previous
                                                        >>> season¹s
                                                        >>>> race had 10 foreign riders
                                                        >>>> starting, representing at least 5 different nationalities.
                                                        >>>> (Article introduced on 1.09.06).
                                                        >>>> Protection of the dates
                                                        >>>> 5.1.005 No other international cyclo-cross event may be organised
                                                        >>> on the
                                                        >>>> same days as the world champi-
                                                        >>>> onships.
                                                        >>>> No class 1 event may be held on the same day as a UCI world cup
                                                        >>> event.
                                                        >>>> No class 2 event may be held on the same day as a UCI world cup
                                                        >>> event in the
                                                        >>>> same country.
                                                        >>>> (Article introduced on 1.09.06).
                                                        >>>>
                                                        >>>> on
                                                        11/6/07 3:35 PM, myles romanow at bikeguy11968@ yahoo.com wrote:
                                                        >>>>
                                                        >>>>> Isn't there some rule governing the presence of multiple uci 1's
                                                        >>> on the same
                                                        >>>>> day?
                                                        >>>>> M
                                                        >>>>>
                                                        >>>>>
                                                        >>>>>
                                                        >>>>> ----- Original Message ----
                                                        >>>>> From: Mike Hebe <mikehebe@comcast. net>
                                                        >>>>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups. com
                                                        >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 2:58:41 PM
                                                        >>>>> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North
                                                        Carolina Grand Prix
                                                        >>>>>
                                                        >>>>> Shite!
                                                        >>>>> I forgot about the VERGE RI events on 12/6-7.
                                                        >>>>> It was my understanding/ impression from Justin last year that
                                                        >>> USAC/UCI would
                                                        >>>>> not go for three UCI events on the same weekend.
                                                        >>>>> I am not a big fan of NE & MAC competing either.
                                                        >>>>> Does RI have date flexibility?
                                                        >>>>> Hebe
                                                        >>>>>
                                                        >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
                                                        >>>>> From: Adam Myerson
                                                        >>>>> To: USAICO
                                                        >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:52 PM
                                                        >>>>> Subject: Re: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                        >>>>>
                                                        >>>>>
                                                        >>>>> Damn, I even tried to look it up to make sure I had it right. IA
                                                        >>> looked
                                                        like
                                                        >>>>> Indiana to my brain. So many people get it wrong, that Google
                                                        >>> only confirmed
                                                        >>>>> my mistake as correct. I tried, I swear. Sorry about that. Are
                                                        >>> you sure your
                                                        >>>>> race isn't on Jupiter's moon?
                                                        >>>>>
                                                        >>>>> Regardless, again, I think a bigger issue for you, now that I've
                                                        >>> looked more
                                                        >>>>> closely at how the weeks break out and the fact that
                                                        >>> Thanksgiving is one
                                                        >>>>> week later in 2008, is where the Portland GP lands. If they go
                                                        >>> the first
                                                        >>>>> weekend of December, we'll have 3 weekends of racing; USGP
                                                        >>> finals, Verge NE
                                                        >>>>> finals, and MAC finals, all on the same weekend. If they stay on
                                                        >>> their same
                                                        >>>>> weekend, they'll be in November, and on the
                                                        weekend you've
                                                        >>> essentially moved
                                                        >>>>> to.
                                                        >>>>>
                                                        >>>>> I know it probably doesn't feel like you moved your date, since
                                                        >>> you're
                                                        >>>>> staying consistent with Thanksgiving and that's your intent, but
                                                        >>> again, in
                                                        >>>>> effect, it's one week later than where you are this year.
                                                        >>>>>
                                                        >>>>> So for Tim, his best bet is to go the weekend before
                                                        >>> Thanksgiving right now,
                                                        >>>>> and he may get that whole weekend to himself. We'll see how it
                                                        >>> shakes out,
                                                        >>>>> and I don't think we can really make a good call until we know
                                                        >>> about
                                                        >>>>> Portland. I don't think we can do anything about the NE and MAC
                                                        >>> finals;
                                                        >>>>> those weekends are pretty set. But it seems clear
                                                        someone will
                                                        >>> end up
                                                        >>>>> conflicting with Portland this year, unfortunately.
                                                        >>>>>
                                                        >>>>> Adam
                                                        >>>>>
                                                        >>>>> on 11/6/07 2:35 PM, Meehan, John at john-j-meehan@ uiowa.edu wrote:
                                                        >>>>>
                                                        >>>>>> Ouch Adam...Scheduling is always a tough issue. The Midwest is
                                                        >>> terribly
                                                        >>>>>> underrepresented in Cross. With the exception of Nationals, we
                                                        >>> need to drive
                                                        >>>>>> about 10-12 hours to get to ANY uci cross race. We have placed
                                                        >>> our events on
                                                        >>>>>> Thanksgiving in the hopes of drawing people from each coast,
                                                        >>> mainly because
                                                        >>>>>> this sport needs to grow here and we need the superstars that
                                                        >>> all of you
                                                        >>>>>> enjoy
                                                        >>>>>>
                                                        seeing every week to come out here just once. Towards that end,
                                                        >>> and in the
                                                        >>>>>> hopes that we will grow the sport here as a benefit to all of
                                                        >>> us, we hope
                                                        >>>>>> Tim
                                                        >>>>>> doesn't select the Thanksgiving weekend too.
                                                        >>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>> Just to prove how underrepresented we are, ...ummm,
                                                        >>> Adam....Iowa is IA...not
                                                        >>>>>> IO...:)
                                                        >>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>> Cheers from the cornfield
                                                        >>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>> John
                                                        >>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
                                                        >>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com on behalf of Adam Myerson
                                                        >>>>>> Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 12:49 PM
                                                        >>>>>> To: USAICO
                                                        >>>>>> Subject: Re: [USAICO]
                                                        North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                        >>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>> Tim,
                                                        >>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>> If I was in your situation, and looking at the schedule as it
                                                        >>> stands, I
                                                        >>>>>> think I would rather conflict with races in NE and races in IO
                                                        >>> that are
                                                        >>>>>> 13-15+ hours away by car than with one GP weekend that's only 9
                                                        >>> hours away.
                                                        >>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>> It will definitely mean that the talent will be disbursed that
                                                        >>> weekend, but
                                                        >>>>>> I think it will still allow each organizer to have a successful
                                                        >>> race, serve
                                                        >>>>>> their regions well, and have a few elite racers to attract
                                                        >>> media reports.
                                                        >>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>> So, I'd steer you toward the weekend after Thanksgiving.
                                                        >>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>> Adam
                                                        >>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>> on 11/6/07 11:53 AM, robin morton at bitmore@att. net
                                                        >>>>>> <mailto:bitmore% 40att.net> wrote:
                                                        >>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> Hi Tim,
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> I know that the Mercer, NJ event will be on the same weekend.
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> Cheers,
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> R
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> Robin Morton
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> g4 Productions LLC
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> 908 832 6909 office
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> 908 832 6839 fax
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> 484 643 3534 mobile ** (PLEASE NOTE NEW NUMBER)
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> rmorton@g4events. com <mailto:rmorton% 40g4events. com>
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> www.g4events. com
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> _____
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> From: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                                        >>>>>>> [mailto:USAICO@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups.
                                                        >>> com> ]
                                                        On
                                                        >>>>>>> Behalf
                                                        >>>>>>> Of
                                                        >>>>>>> Tim Hopkin
                                                        >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:49 AM
                                                        >>>>>>> To: USAICO@yahoogroups. com <mailto:USAICO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                                                        >>>>>>> Subject: [USAICO] North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> The North Carolina Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross, two UCI C2 races
                                                        >>> are
                                                        >>>>>>> scheduled
                                                        >>>>>>> for November 15-16, 2008. It is my hope that if the USGP
                                                        >>> continues to use
                                                        >>>>>>> the same dates that they will seek to move their race to the
                                                        >>> West Coast.
                                                        >>>>>>> This was the case the first two years of the NCGP. This
                                                        year
                                                        >>> we are going
                                                        >>>>>>> up against the USGP in New Jersey. A distance of over 9 hours
                                                        >>> which I am
                                                        >>>>>>> thankful for (Robin Morton was kind enough to switch venues to
                                                        >>> increase the
                                                        >>>>>>> travel time between the races). I know everything will work
                                                        >>> out and these
                                                        >>>>>>> open dialogues have helped in the past. I could also host the
                                                        >>> NCGP on
                                                        >>>>>>> November 22-23 if that were to make the East coast calendar
                                                        >>> friendlier.
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> Tim Hopkin
                                                        >>>>>>>
                                                        >>>>>>> North Carolina Grand Prix
                                                        >>>>>>>
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                                                        >>>>>>> <http://www.nccycloc ross.com/> > com
                                                        >>>>>>>
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