- Well, anger seems to offer something (at least initially) to protect
from further trauma. Maybe it promises to keep future traumatisers
at a distance. Unfortunately, it also does that to any helpers that
might come our way.
It also morphs into other more covert things (eg: social withdrawl)
I'm not sure enlightenment morphs into anything but enlightenment.
--- In U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com, "Jakub Jaroszewski" <jakubjar@...>
> So does talking about enlightenment is a cause of a future
> Talking about something is making it stronger in your life.about it; and
> When you think about something then you finalely begin to talk
> when you talk about it then you finaly begin to do it. Aren't you?are in a
> So, I suppose, when you talk and think about anger a lot, then you
> danger of making yourself an angry man.get into
> Sometimes feelings are so painful that it is very difficult to not
> them, but maintaining them is making them firm. The mind get usedto them,
> so they become you yourself.On Behalf
> Doesn't it goes this way? (I suppose :))
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Palmer, Ralph" <rpalmer@...>
> To: <U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [U-Zendo] Re: anger(CHAT)
> >I would suppose about as much and not more than talking about
> > enlightenment causes a future enlightenment.
> > Ralph
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com [mailto:U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com]
> > Of Jakub Jaroszewskiesp.
> > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:07 AM
> > To: U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [U-Zendo] Re: anger(CHAT)
> > Does talking about anger cause a future anger?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott" <scott_1971_h@...>
> > To: <U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:45 PM
> > Subject: [U-Zendo] Re: anger(CHAT)
> >> Yes well casual or not, the two seem to be linked...
> >> Lots of people who have been through trauma have anger problems
> >> when memories of the abuse is triggered.wrote:
> >> Scott
> >> --- In U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com, "Palmer, Ralph" <rpalmer@>
> >>>trauma -->
> >>> Hi, Scott -
> >>> Seems like almost everyone has been away for a while.
> >>> Are you speaking of a causal link? Anger --> trauma? Or
> >>> anger?
> >>> Ralph
> >>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Ralph Palmer
> >>> Keene, NH, and Greenfield, MA
> >>> USA
> >>> rpalmer@
- This group has dwindled so much that there aren't enough people to sustain
a discussion anymore. I think that much of the reason is that we have
become hidden. If you type "uzendo" into google, you will not find this
site (I think you have to hyphenate it, "u-zendo"). Probably people who
knew this group when it was at mail.win.org assume that it no longer
exists. Would it be a good thing for us to come out of hiding somehow?
- Greetings -
I'm sort of stuck. When I try to "observe the mental process and
experience the present bodily sensations", I find myself adding a layer,
and I can't figure out a way around it. That is, when I observe the
mental process, I find I process it before I'm conscious of it - I make
a "picture" by the time I'm observing. And when I try to experience the
present bodily sensations, I find I do it through images of the
sensations. Is this a problem? If so, is there a way through?
Keene, NH, and Greenfield, MA
- Hi Ralph,
This is a really wonderful insight. You have discovered what
most people never know: We live in Plato's cave, and we mistake the
shadows of our lives for our lives as they are lived. Everybody forms
a "picture" of their actual experience. Because you know the
difference between the experience and the "picture" of the experience,
it is obvious that you know the experience before the "picture."
The important thing to remember, is that the "picture" is just a
picture. Let it go and be ready for the next experience.
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
"To affect the quality of the day, that is the highest of arts." -
Henry David Thoreau
"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi