940Re: [U-Zendo] Form
- Aug 21, 2010Oh, now you're gong to make me work! I'll look it up and post again.
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On Aug 20, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Louis-Dominique Dubeau <ldd@...> wrote:
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 14:02 -0400, LouAnne Jaeger wrote:
> Well said, everyone.
> While talk about Zen is "Three Stooges Zen" (love that moniker!), as
> it says in the Lankavatara Sutra, sometimes you have to use words to
> get beyond words.
> The five skandas are very hard to get one's mind around. The
> description I found the most helpful was in (again) the Lankavatara
LouAnne, you whetted my curiosity. So I searched the translation by
Suzuki available here:
And was not able to find an explanation of the individual roles of the
five skandhas. Which passage were you thinking about?
I did however, find this:
"Again, Mahamati, by the wise the five Skandhas are regarded as
thought-constructions, devoid of [dualisties such as] otherness and
not-otherness; for they are like varieties of forms and objects in a
vision, like images and persons in a dream. As they have no better
substance for their support, and as they obstruct the passage of noble
wisdom, there is what is known as the Skandha-discrimination."
(This is cut and paste. The word "dualisties" appears as-is.)
> The way I understood it is like this: 1) form/object, 2) physical
> perception of the object 3) mental recognition of the object, 4) ideas
> that are generated about the object, 5) storage of the information. I
> see this almost as a mechanical process that "creates" both the self
> and the world it perceives, occurring over and over and over,
> gazillions of times every nano-second.
> I may be completely wrong, but find it helps me "grok" the form/noform
This is in line with most explanations of the skandhas I've encountered.
I would add that number 4 (often called "mental formations") should be
understood to have an element of intentionality.
In the dharma,
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