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331RE: [U-Zendo] Re: anger(CHAT)

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  • Palmer, Ralph
    Nov 9, 2006
      Scott -

      "Causal" was not a typo. I was asking, not very clearly, if you were
      speaking of anger causing trauma or trauma causing anger. It sounds like
      trauma causing anger. My first reaction was that I didn't remember much
      trauma, or at least that any anger seemed to be directed toward
      inanimate objects or myself; but I think I will look more closely.

      Ralph

      -----Original Message-----
      From: U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com [mailto:U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
      Of Scott
      Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:46 PM
      To: U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [U-Zendo] Re: anger(CHAT)

      Yes well casual or not, the two seem to be linked...
      Lots of people who have been through trauma have anger problems esp.
      when memories of the abuse is triggered.
      Scott

      --- In U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com, "Palmer, Ralph" <rpalmer@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi, Scott -
      >
      > Seems like almost everyone has been away for a while.
      >
      > Are you speaking of a causal link? Anger --> trauma? Or trauma -->
      > anger?
      >
      > Ralph
      > +++++++++++++++++++++++++
      > Ralph Palmer
      > Keene, NH, and Greenfield, MA
      > USA
      > rpalmer@...
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com [mailto:U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com] On
      Behalf
      > Of Scott
      > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:32 AM
      > To: U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [U-Zendo] Re: anger(CHAT)
      >
      > Hi, Ive been away for a while. On this subject, would anyone like
      to
      > comment/chat on the link between anger and trauma?
      >
      > Scott
      > --- In U-Zendo@yahoogroups.com, Richard Horvitz <rhorvitz@> wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, Walt Taylor wrote:
      > >
      > > >
      > > > On Aug 13, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Richard Horvitz wrote:
      > > >
      > > > > Whether it would help or not to have a prohibition against
      anger,
      > > > > I don't know.
      > > >
      > > > Maybe we're confusing anger with its unfettered expression. You
      > can't
      > > > ban anger any more than you can sexual desire. What you can do
      > is
      > > > exercise control over its expression, which we do all the time.
      > > >
      > >
      > > I don't think this is totally true. Anger is largely a learned
      > response.
      > > If you live with people who get angry easily you are likely to do
      > so also.
      > > Won't being mindful of how anger arises make it less likely?
      > > From another point of view, an incident of anger is a long chain
      > of
      > > events. First you see someone doing something, then you think
      > that it is
      > > contrary to your interest, or offensive to you, then you think
      > that the
      > > person is doing it with the intention of harming you, then you
      > think about
      > > how you have objected to this behavior in the past yet they are
      > doing it
      > > again, then your ears turn a bit red, then you swear a bit under
      > your
      > > breath, then you start thinking about how you might hurt them in
      > return
      > > (justice, if you will), then you pick up the knife and creep up
      > behind
      > > them, and finally you plunge it into their back. So this last
      > step is
      > > clearly unfettered expression, but where is the cut off? It can
      > end
      > > anywhere.
      > >
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