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  • Brandon Davis
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    Message 1 of 2 , May 16 2:33 PM
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      --- enslist@... wrote:
      > Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:08:52 -0700 (PDT)
      > To: enslist@...
      > From: enslist@...
      > Subject: News Briefs
      > 2001-114
      > News Briefs
      > Vatican opposes inclusive language in English
      > liturgy
      > (ENS) In a document released in early May, the
      > Vatican has ruled that
      > all attempts at "inclusive language" be removed from
      > the English-language
      > liturgy, charging that they represent attempts to be
      > "politically correct."
      > "The abandonment of these terms under pressure
      > of criticism on
      > ideological or other grounds is not always wise or
      > necessary," said the
      > guidelines. "Nor is it an inevitable mark of
      > linguistic development." The
      > Vatican said that translations of the Latin texts
      > should not be creative or
      > overly dependent on modern expressions that could
      > dilute the original intent.
      > It is only the fifth time that the Vatican has
      > issued guidelines on the
      > liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council,
      > responsible for
      > inaugurating major changes in putting the mass into
      > local languages.
      > Conservative Roman Catholics, who have balked
      > at the trends and argued
      > for a stricter translation of the liturgical texts,
      > welcomed the guidelines.
      > Archbishop Oscar Lipscomb of Mobile, Alabama, who
      > chairs the liturgy
      > committee of the Bishops' Conference, said that the
      > rules were long overdue
      > since the last guidelines were done in 1969.
      > More liberal Roman Catholics, however, may balk
      > at the new regulations
      > as too restrictive and diminishing the authority of
      > bishops. "All this shows
      > is tremendous ignorance on the part of the Vatican
      > in terms of language,"
      > said Linda Pczynski of Call to Action, a
      > Chicago-based church reform
      > movement.
      > Theologians propose a radical reform-women in the
      > College of Cardinals
      > (ENI) A retired Italian bishop and several
      > Roman Catholic theologians
      > have suggested that the Vatican take a radical step
      > by appointing women to
      > the College of Cardinals that is responsible for
      > electing the pope.
      > "The present system, which restricts to male
      > cardinals the right to choose
      > the pope, is a product of history," said Bishop
      > Giuseppe Casale. He said that
      > the system "could evolve, changing in a progressive
      > and cautious way to include
      > categories of the people of God who have been
      > excluded until now." While
      > cautioning against any hasty action, he argued that
      > "neither should we stick rigidly
      > to the present system, putting limits on the work of
      > the Holy Spirit." There is no
      > problem with lay cardinals, he pointed out, since
      > they do not require ordination
      > "so there is no problem of dogma." The position
      > itself is "simply a product of history,
      > and the method of electing the Bishop of Rome has
      > undergone major changes
      > throughout history."
      > The position of cardinals has been created by
      > the church and therefore can
      > be modified, added Prof. Severino Dianich of
      > Florence, president of the Italian
      > Theological Association. The conclave that elects
      > the pope could include both
      > clergy and lay people, both men and women, he said,
      > adding that "from an ecclesial
      > and theological viewpoint, such a reform is
      > possible, even if the time is not yet ripe."
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    • praisinjc@msn.com
      ... wrote: Good for them, it is about time. They have already voiced Their disaproval with inclusive
      Message 2 of 2 , Jun 6, 2001
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        --- In TraditionalDogmatics@y..., Brandon Davis <bcarldavis@y...>

        <<Vatican opposes inclusive language in English

        Good for them, it is about time.
        They have already voiced Their disaproval with inclusive language
        Bible Translations before but nothing was said about the liturgys.
        This seemed contradictory as not only were the Liturgys inclusive
        language but the Scripture text was the New American Bible which is
        VERY inclusive.

        But outside of that, i think their liturgies simply need some
        reverence and understanding of God's Holiness restored to them.
        They reak of liberalism and sound more like the 1979 book of common
        prayer and alot of positivity thinking rather then worship.

        I guess this is an area where many Roman Catholics and Anglicans can
        both relate, our mutual distaste for revisionist destruction of our
        historic liturgys.

        Instead of the Tridentine, Catholics now have the todays missal.
        For Anglicans, instead of the 1928 book, we get an alternative
        services book posing as common prayer...which it isnt.
        More like the Heinz 57 'cut and paste your own liturgy' book.

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