RE: [TrackChasers] Numbers? Just numbers?
I totally agree with your thoughts. What I do like about the way the
rules are now is that they indeed are more or less universal. That is
why I get it on my nerve if people imply others bend them, because they
don't go at it the way they would like to. I think it is very unlikely
to be a coincidence that all this moaning comes at a time when a number
of colleagues using different slightly ways of chasing shoot up the
ranks. Looks like sour grapes to me.
Indeed, every person with this hobby has his or her preferences. Let's
respect them instead of putting them down constantly.
What I wrote on the oval bias is not a criticism, merely a statement of
facts. I can perfectly live with it. And if I want to change something
in that respect, I'll have to propose a rule change once I'm an eligible
member and formulate it in such a way the majority of the voters can
adhere to it (but than of course if the vote goes against their idea,
they will continue to moan about it). I just used this example to
underline the rather provincial reasoning behind Allan's arguments. I
consider us all colleagues with the same hobby, not jealous and
infighting competitive animals. It's better to be 42nd and happy than
1st or 2nd and unhappy. You better watch out iduring your climb to the
top. People getting there do seem to change into grumpy criticising
machines. But nevertheless, major congratulations with your current
third spot and give the grumpy old men ranked above you hell. At least
we could than have a number one chaser who is at ease with himself and
indulgent for his colleagues. Would be a nice change. Can't wait to
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Subject: Re: [TrackChasers] Numbers? Just numbers?
I will add my thoughts to Allan's comments.
The more I think about it, the more I think that the vague
guidelines are a
good thing. This has allowed us to include people from Canada,
and Europe as part of our group. In my mind, this is
tremendous. The racing
format is different there, but it can fit fairly well into our
Not only that, it has allowed all of those interested in
TrackChasing to decide
on their own how they most enjoy the hobby. Why is this such a
thing? Remember, it's a hobby. I saw Norm in person the day
after he drove all
the way to northern Michigan to see only the three trophy dashes
at the one
track, then leave to see other races at another. You know what?
He was HAPPY
about his day. If doing what he did made him happy, why is that
so wrong? If
Randy enjoys the blended doubles, that should be OK, because it
is a hobby and
that is what allows him to enjoy the hobby to its fullest. If
P. J. enjoys
trying to see all the tracks in a region, then he should be
allowed to do that
without being criticized for picking an Ontario figure 8 track
that only runs
heat RACES and no feature over a permanent weekly facility. You
may not agree
with me, but I think you get my point. It's a hobby, so why
get to enjoy it the way they want? If Norm enjoying
TrackChasing HIS way
makes ME enjoy MY own TrackChasing less, then I have personal
issues to consider,
I would think.
TO ROLAND AND COLIN
As the person who wrote the original rules, much of which are
effect, I acknowledge the pro oval/anti road course bias, when
it comes to multiple
configurations. Please understand, at the time, there was NO
ONE from outside
the USA in our group, and at that time, I doubt any of us had
ever been to a
race outside of North America. I hope none of you think that
such rules were
written in anticipation that someday if we find others like us
North America, we would slight them or give ourselves some sort
of advantage over
them. We all just came from an oval racing background. The
above is an
explanation of the original thought process, not a statement
that I am in favor of
making any changes.
We owe all race track management and drivers respect, which
means we should
stay to watch every race? What about the management that starts
two hours late on a frequent basis? What about the ones that
takes an hour
intermission at 11:00 p.m.? What about the ones that charge $4
for a Coke? All
that after paying them for the privilege. Are they showing us
what about the southern drivers that trickle in at 7:00, 8:00,
or later, and
still expect to time trial? Or the northeastern drivers that
purposely stop on
the track to bring out the yellow for their personal advantage?
Or the WoO
drivers that have to be begged fifteen times to line up for the
feature? Or the
drivers that won't do any type of wheel packing no matter how
late it is,
because that is not their job? Are they showing us any respect?
someone promotes a race or drives a race car, they don't
deserve our respect. Respect should be earned. And it should
go both ways.
I do not see the somewhat competitive nature of the group as a
(incessant boasting and bragging notwithstanding). The way it
can stay healthy is
if everyone goes about TrackChasing in the way that they enjoy
don't worry about what "the competition" is doing. Pat Eckel
decided she doesn't
like Champ Karts and won't count them. That's fine. What's
great about Pat
is that she has made a personal decision that makes her happy,
but she doesn't
try to impose her feelings on everyone else. She will be OK
with the fact
that Gordy and I went to a Champ Kart race on Saturday, because
(hopefully) happy at whatever track she chose to attend. No
rule every forced a person
to count an inner oval, a figure 8, or a track with no main
class feature if
they chose not to. P. J. and I enjoy trying to complete a state
by seeing all
of the countable tracks in that region. Does it cost us
absolute numbers? Of course. Are we OK with that? Yes, it is
what makes us enjoy
the hobby the most. Gordy always yells "Maximize!" when
charging out on
vacation. Go Gordy, I say. But if I choose to go back to
Hilton Head for a week,
and can get only one or two track, that should be good too, if
I'm OK with it.
No doubt the fact that I want to get pictures of all the tracks
I go to
hinders my track totals, because I don't want to arrive at a new
track after dark.
I'm OK with that. It just seems to me that the people that
profess to be
the least competitive are the most upset when others choose a
TrackChasing path that yields more tracks, then want to impose
their will and their
way on everyone.
FINAL SUMMARY TO CONSIDER
1. If Norm drove 15 hours to see three dashes, but the next day
about it, why isn't that a good thing? Isn't Norm our friend?
Don't we want
him to be happy? Why should we worry about showing respect to
the street stock
driver we've never met, but not worry about showing respect to
TrackChasing friends by letting them enjoy our hobby in the way
that gives them the most
2. If someone leaves a track before a "feature" to go to
another track, why
does that prevent a different person from staying for every last
that's what they want to do? If everyone did their TrackChasing
in the way they
enjoy, and did not try to impose their will on the way others do
it, the group
would be much happier.
Unless it really is all about numbers.
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I think you have hit the nail on the head, as long as someone is happy in
what they do as regards as track chasing then that is fine. I don't go to many
new tracks as I prefer to watch my favourite formula. If that involves a new
track then so be it, if it doesn't I can live with that as well. I can quite
understand someone wanting to get in as many tracks as possible, but I feel having
too many rules is not the way to go after all it is supposed to be fun.
As for the circuit/oval thing. Let me put you right, I have no interest in
circuit racing and prefer oval racing. I can see something like adding a chicane
in the track at Watkins Glen is not a new track, however the Legends track at
places like Charlotte is because the two are vastly different, the same way
as the oval and the road course at Daytona would be different tracks in my
view. The same as going from a quarter to a half mile would be a vastly different
track. Changing in track design should be left to the individual and as long
as they are comfortable with it, then that should be enough. I don't think
anyone is desperate enough to count a new track if there is a minor cosmetic
change to a track.
I enjoy reading about where you chaps go each week, so long may the chase
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