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## 10925Re: Ransomville Figure 8

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• Sep 2, 2006
Thanks Will,
So if I understand you correctly...

-I have already seen many races at Ransomville.
-I had never seen anything on the inner oval and I really don't know
if countable racing has ever occured on it.
-So by what you said in the next to last paragraph, I could count
the inner oval?

I'm just an amatuer in track chasing, as many years of working on a
race team kept me at the same 3 tracks weekly, but I'm more in it as
a friendly competition w/ some friends....but we do try to use your
rules as a guideline.

Thanks for the great site and track information!

Paul

--- In TrackChasers@yahoogroups.com, Will White <trackchaser@...>
wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
>
> Thanks for explaining the new Ransomville track layout to the
group.
>
> The Ransomville "figure eight", as they call it, is actually a
> "double-0" and therefore falls under the "multiple oval" area of
the
> TrackChaser rules. For our purposes, a figure 8 is a track with an
> intersection where the cars change direction at some point. In a
> double-0 (or "flagpole") race they continue to turn in the same
> direction (left or right) all the way around the course.
>
> The rule is pretty vague, and I believe it should be kept that way
> because the tracks can come up with so many possible future set-
ups that
> we couldn't think of them all in advance. However, I think it will
help
> if I try to give everyone an idea of how I will rule in these
> situations. To date, double-0 tracks have mainly consisted of a
> permanent outer/inner oval combination, where 2 existing tracks
are used
> to former the course. In this case, I am ruling that anyone who
has
> already counted either the outer or inner oval can count the
double-0 as
> the oval they don't already have. As the rule states, no one can
count a
> third track in addition to the 2 ovals. If you don't already have
either
> of the 2 ovals, then you can count the double-0 as one of them
(but not
> both).
>
> According to the rule, we cannot count a double-0 "in addition to
the
> track or tracks that comprise it". My interpretation of this is
that if
> one of the ovals that makes up the course is not an actual active
track
> then you can't count the double-0 as a second track, only as a
first
> track. This also applies to any flagpole race, since there is only
one
> real track used in a flagpole race.
>
> Ransomville used a permanent, active kart track as the inner oval
> portion of their double-0. My ruling is that both tracks have to
be
> active as regular ovals for motor racing, but they don't have to
> necessarily hold countable racing as regular ovals. The countable
oval
> would take precedence over the noncountable oval in counting it as
a
> "first" track. Thus, at Ransomville, if you had no previous tracks
and
> only saw the double-0, you could count it as the outer oval. If
you had
> no previous tracks and saw both the double-0 and regular (outer)
oval
> racing then you can count two tracks (outer oval and inner oval).
If it
> was possible to already have 2 ovals at Ransomville (did they ever
have
> countable racing on the inner oval?) then you couldn't count the
> double-0 as a new track.
>
> This case reminds me that I never did add the "Track Rulings" page
to
> the trackchaser.com web site. I realize it can be frustrating to
go to
> one of these events, find that what they called a "figure 8"
really
> wasn't, and go away not knowing if you saw anything that counts as
a new
> track. Hopefully by posting some of my rulings and rules
interpretations
> on the web site I'll be able to reduce the confusion somewhat.
>
> Will White
> TrackChaser Commissioner
>
>
>
> Paul Brauer wrote:
> > Last night while walking in the pits at Ransomville I was
pleased to
> > learn that there was going to be a figure 8 race. Immediately
> > the "new track" lightbulb went off!
> >
> > As you may know, Ransomville has an inner oval that I believe is
a
> > kart track...which shares the front stretch w/ the big track.
Well
> > the "Figure 8" consisted of starting the (5 enduro-style) cars
on the
> > back stretch of the big track. The cars raced thru turns 3&4,
to the
> > front stretch, where they dropped on to the inner oval, made a
lap
> > around it, and then back on to the big track, thru 1&2, etc.
They
> > probably ran 10 laps like this. Seemed more like a "Figure Q"
to me!
> >
> > My question is: What is a countable track? The
Figure "Q"?...The
> > inner oval?...Both?...Neither?
>
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