Re: [TopHive] Re: How To Begin--I'm stuck
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That guy's site is full of great information.
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On 10/14/2012 7:28 AM, urbisagricola wrote:
> Sorry about that. I neglected to put a subject in the subject line and my post may have looked like spam.
> We've looked into different kinds of hives and are interested in the top bar model. That's a given. The problem is--"How to begin"? And maybe I should be more specific about where I am getting hung up.
> I bought a book called "Top Bar Beekeeping" by Crowder and Harrell. Being new to beekeeping, I have a little trouble following it sometimes, but I THINK I understand how to build the hive. As far as getting bees, I have friends/acquatances who raise bees in Langstroth hives who know how to catch swarms (or I guess I could order some bees), so I think I can find bees.
> Where I am stuck is how to get bees to set up in the the hive. Unless I am missing something, I don't see that the author of the book above tells how to do that. And here is where my original question comes in (should I start out with Langstroth hives to get my feet wet) because it just seems hard for someone to write a readable book that can explan what one needs to know. There is an old saying in my family "You learn by seeing and by doing"--a hands on teacher is probably the best way to learn.
> It seems like a shame to go to the expense of buying all the stuff to do Langstroth hiuves if I ultimately want to do top bar. On the other hand, I may be just setting myself up for frustration trying to do this with books.
> Maybe another or slightly different question would be, do you know a place that has good step my step instructions?
- I started with a top bar three years ago. I bought a package and put it in
a completely comb free hive. They built up the comb and all was well. I
know have two top bar hives and two Langs. I find the top bars easier to
work, especially the TB that has an observation window, I don't need to
open it up if everything looks good from outside. I don't harvest much from
the TBs, mostly from the Langs.
As far as treatment, if you follow the organic beekeepers yahoo group, you
will observe that the trend it toward downsizing bees to their original
size before commercialization made them bigger. The smaller bees aren't
affected by varoa and such because their trachea are smaller, and are
healthier all around. I will be switching over eventually. I do not use
treatment on any of my hives, and by treatment we mean chemical treatment.
You can order small bees from Wolf Creek Apiaries. If I knew this ahead of
time I would have started off with the smaller bees. It is harder to
downsize once you have an established hive.
*"Your present circumstances don't determine where you can go; they simply
determine where you start." Nido Qubein
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- urbisagricola wrote:
>We've looked into different kinds of hives and are interested in the top bar model. That's a given. The problem is--"How to begin"? And maybe I should be more specific about where I am getting hung up.Hey - No offense. We ALL ferget a Subject line or some
other stuff, now and then. Heck, I repost a whole Digest
about 1x a year.
HOW to begin can be a few ways.
It sorta depends a lot, on how you get the bees...
As a nuc. as comb with honey & brood, on frames, and
they make their own queen or you buy one, with this or
separately... Or as a "Package" of 2, 3, or 4 lbs.
Rather than regurgitate it all, can you tell us which way you
thiMk you'll go?
>...On the other hand, I may be just setting myself up for frustration trying to do this with books.Maybe another or slightly different question would be, do you know a place that has good step my step instructions?For cooking or computers or motorcycle maintenance, I always
suggest at least 2 books. Better if they are from 2 dif publishers
and authors, as each says things , "IOW., differently. I like one
to be a thick reference and one to be a primer. By spring
you can have read 5 books easily, from your library.
You can just read what you want in each & skim the rest.
There's a free eBook on the Warré list. If you've forgotten, they are a stacked
TB/topbar hive. Sorta like a Lang, but usually w/o frames. Easiest to make, save
for the roof, and there is a simple version of THAT.
With a HTBH, aka, [usually] a Trapeziodal TBH, (as I suppose
you intend,) the "How to Install Bees," is largely the same.
You place in TB's w/comb, or, you pour in the bees, if a
package. There are details, to each, and options. Example;
Smoke was the necessary tool. Now, many use a water spritz,
perhaps with the lightest of syrups, or use nothing. I didn't
get a smoker. My experience is quite limited, but so far, no
Usual rules: No after shave or cologne. Don't take a drink to
calm your nerves or have on fresh deodorant. Light colored
clothing is suggested as animals wanting the brood tend to
be dark - yet - many wear blue jeans... Don't breath a lot of
your CO2 on them. That's a hungry animals nose in their
business. No fast movements. Be still, or move slowly,
w/o jerks in your motion.
Will you have a suit? Or, as I, jury rig something?
I have an idea... But I need to know the width of a Lang
frame. And maybe the depth... Anyone?
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