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  • howard pirtle
    Did I miss something?...LOL   HHH ... From: Jennifer Andersen Subject: Re: [TopHive] Re: architecture question To:
    Message 1 of 68 , Nov 30, 2008
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      Did I miss something?...LOL   HHH

      --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Jennifer Andersen <cattledogdreams@...> wrote:

      From: Jennifer Andersen <cattledogdreams@...>
      Subject: Re: [TopHive] Re: architecture question
      To: TopHive@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 9:22 AM

      Okay, you win.  I am so tired of hearing this diatribe about how every other hive is crap and only a "true" TBH is worthy of bees and only TBH "beeks" know anything about beekeeping, and everyone else, either intentionally or through their EXTRAORDINARY stupidity and indifference, is working hard to kill honey bees as a species, that I will be signing off this discussion group. 
      I thought this group was founded to encouraged  open discussion about TBHs and other alternatives to traditional Lang hives (as identified in the group's introduction) .  Though there are many members that try to do just that, there are too many who spend their time trying to stifle all discussion with anecdotal information and vague references that they feel "prove" the superiority of their style of TBHs and then finish off their "proof" with belittling and abusive comments aimed at those of us who are working on anything else.   I do not know why they are continually allowed to do this, but life is too short to subject myself to it, or to watch while others are abused.  I will vote with my fingers.
      I know that many of the members of this site are fed up by this poor behavior as well (as I have received emails offline).  Please know that if anyone on this site would like to discuss their thoughts on hive improvements, including improvements to Lang hives, you can reach me at the above posted email address.  Thanks to all of you who provided well thought out information and opinions without belittling people and their ideas along the way.  I hope our paths meet again.
      For those of you who have been irritated by those of us looking to improve upon the TBH, take heart, eventually you will have only like-minded people to talk to.  Good luck with that.

      --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Gary <nicty95@yahoo. com> wrote:

      From: Gary <nicty95@yahoo. com>
      Subject: [TopHive] Re: architecture question
      To: TopHive@yahoogroups .com
      Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:28 AM

      Seeing how we will never be able to understand why bees curve certain
      comb and not others, build different shapes in different places or
      pick a certain cavity over another the idea behind the TBH is find a
      way to keep bees in harmony with what the bees want to do when they
      find a cavity and manage to maybe harvest some honey if there is
      enough in surplus.

      The difference is in principal and ideology. The TBH hive puts the
      bees needs first and the Beeks second. The Lang was designed for
      maximum honey production and foundation was designed to assist in
      that production. Absolutely no consideration was given to the bee or
      colony health. Beekeepers back then did not have any way to know the
      devastation they were causing that has now 150 years later manifested
      itself as a contributing factor to the overall decline of the
      Honeybee population all over the world!

      This is why TBH Beeks consider Lang type hives to be useless.

      There is a ton of evidence scattered all over the net which proves
      natural nests are a contributing factor to reversing the damage done
      to the honeybee by forcing them on foundation and frames.

      Lang type hives are not the sole cause of the problems but they are a
      big factor. Honeybees are a very resilient creature but with any
      biological organism they can handle just so many stressors at a time
      pile enough and eventually they will "collapse"

      That is exactly what colony collapse disorder is a pile of stressors
      that is just too much! While scientists spend millions trying to find
      the single cause and continue to fail the average beek that has their
      eyes open can tell you exactly what is going on in their colony. That
      is how the French linked the GM corn bloom with the collapse of those
      countries bees.

      Colonies already stressed by mites and weather fed nectar and pollen
      laced with genetically modified pesticides compliments of Monsanto
      and Syngenta and Bayer to the larva and queen, this caused the
      foraging bees to disorient and not find their way back to the hive.

      Moral of the story:

      Stop wasting your energy debating hive dynamics and focus it keeping
      our bees from going extinct! Other wise we will be debating garden
      ornaments and not bee hives!

      WWW.BIOBEES. COM http://www.bees- online.com/

      http://www.moraybee keepers.co. uk/N&Views/ Durham.htm

      http://www.biobees. com/forum/ index.php

      http://www.bayer- kills-bees. com

      http://www.britishb eekeeping. com

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    • Gary
      ... the ... were ... today ... different ... so ... I forgot to add to the above message: Next time you have a complaint instead of writing a long winded post
      Message 68 of 68 , Dec 6, 2008
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        --- In TopHive@yahoogroups.com, "Gary" <nicty95@...> wrote:
        > 1. Had I not done what I did I would never have understood where to
        > start and would not be successful Today. Many beeks benifit from
        > research gained from the losses me and few other dedicated beeks
        > willing to take. The thank you letters I get attest to that.
        > 2. If you are the type to throw up your hands and give up over some
        > failures so be it. We learned from our mistakes stuck to it and
        > are successful. Thats what instills confidence in our advice!
        > 3. That was not meant to offend anyone it was just the blunt truth
        > But rereading it I can see where a really thin skinned person may
        > twist it into something else.
        > 4, Peter the bottom line is this is just advice and opinion take it
        > and use it to your advantage or leave it. We all come from
        > clutures and backgrounds and the written message showes no emotion
        > you have to keep an open mind when reading it so think first before
        > you take offense to something not meant to be offensive.
        > 5. A bit thicker skin may be in order
        > 6. I did contact Jennifer off line
        > 7. I do not come here to impress you or anyone else. I come here to
        > share information and experience
        I forgot to add to the above message: Next time you have a complaint
        instead of writing a long winded post attempting to dicredit someone
        send a message to the moderator and let them do thier jobs instead of
        trying to do it for them!
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