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973Re: aaagggh, my hives are so SLOW

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  • David Croteau
    Sep 14, 2007
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      Carnoliian and that's what I'm saying, they didn't cut back on brood
      rearing & used up most of storage,.
      But there bringing in nectar today fast & furious . You don't suppose
      those bees know what there doing do you?
      Dave


      --- In TopHive@yahoogroups.com, "Jim & Rebecca Payne"
      <jimandrebeccan@...> wrote:
      >
      > What race are your bees? That will have a lot to do with the brood
      they
      > raise going into winter. Staying the same numbers or cutting back
      and also
      > adjusting with what they have in storage.
      > Jim Payne
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "David Croteau" <davidlcroteau@...>
      > To: <TopHive@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:48 AM
      > Subject: [TopHive] Re: aaagggh, my hives are so SLOW
      >
      >
      > > Hi Gary'
      > > The bars 15" (13 working) & about 10" deep, maybe 35 bars. Kenya
      style
      > > Checked all hives yesterday. Didn't disturb brood nests.
      > > Found lots of empty combs in all hives, moved to rear in tbhs,
      out of
      > > lc hives, full honey super on top.
      > > Put what little honey I found next to nest.
      > > It seems bees use a lot of honey razing new bees & don't bring in
      > > much nectar.
      > > They have maybe three weeks to fell some of those empty combs .
      > > Will they get enough, good question.
      > > Seems they were not worried about using up all stores to raise
      new
      > > bees, lots of brood everywhere, but it worries me.
      > > With brood & honey, about 17 bars in use.
      > > The one the swarm entered this spring has 13 bars all brood, no
      all
      > > honey bars, they got there work cut out for them.
      > > Maybe they know something I don't, no frost this year, maybe no
      > > winter.
      > > But I just built a fire this morning (44*).
      > > Dave
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In TopHive@yahoogroups.com, "nicty95" <nicty95@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > --- In TopHive@yahoogroups.com, "David Croteau" <davidlcroteau@>
      > > > wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > 8/11/07 Just checked my 4 tbh's "SLOW" is the word I would use
      > > also.
      > > > > There is absolutely no surplus honey.
      > > > > They'll have enough to over winter on I'm sure.
      > > > > One is two yrs old & is the same shape as the other three.
      > > > > Was going to convert my other three LC hives to top bars, but
      now
      > > I
      > > > > don't think it's a good idea, no production.
      > > > > That may be why some super them.
      > > > > Maybe we can use the natural size bees to install into
      Langstroth
      > > > > hives, Just the reverse of what we been doing.
      > > > > Use top bar hives as over wintering nucs.
      > > > > I harvested 300 lbs from the three Langstroth hives, Jul
      15th &
      > > Aug
      > > > > 5th, about 150 pounds each time.
      > > > > TBH's, "ZERO."
      > > > > Dave
      > > > >
      > > >
      > > > Dave,
      > > > Don't get frustrated yet. What size bars are you using and how
      deep
      > > is
      > > > your hive? If the volume is too large they will build a natural
      > > nest
      > > > and store everything around the brood making it impossible to
      > > harvest.
      > > > This is not necessarily a bad thing. If you put the bees that
      > > survive
      > > > fine on the TBH comb back into a Lang the difference in
      > > environments
      > > > will be the stress factor which make the difference in them
      being
      > > able
      > > > to handle the mite load. In other words they will show the same
      > > > behavior but will not tolerate the mites and you will be back to
      > > > square one!
      > > > The small cell theory was on the right track it just was not
      > > > everything. The real advantage of the small cell bees occurs
      inside
      > > a
      > > > natural nest and you don't need foundation to get there. The
      bees
      > > you
      > > > have now may never build you a comb you can harvest, but I will
      bet
      > > > they survive without any treatments. All you have to do is
      adjust
      > > the
      > > > environment to force them to do what they would naturally do if
      > > thier
      > > > cavity was a little smaller and that would be to make a storage
      > > area
      > > > behind the brood nest then you can harvest some honey! I am
      > > > corresopnding with a beek who has the total opposite problem
      that
      > > you
      > > > have he is worried about the congestion in the hive and weather
      he
      > > > should pull honey combs to keeep them from swarming. Guess what
      his
      > > > sizes are. 14 inch bars and 9 inches deep with a total of 24
      bars!
      > > > Gary
      > > > www.hirschbachapiary.com
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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