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17969RE: [TolkienDiscussions] Re: Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin

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  • tea_party@ourbrisbane.com
    Jun 1, 2007
      I suppose that we can forgive Thorondor's tardiness. He probably spotted
      Fingolfin banging on the gates and took wing to aid him. In the time it took him
      to fly the several hundred kilometers from Gondolin to Angband, Melkor had
      already defeated Fingolfin.

      Matt West

      Quoting Rob <fredwestermeyer@...>:

      > <<Anent the Eagles, JRRT is very big on the autonomy of 'Free' peoples
      > (Elves, Men, Dwarves, Hobbits), so he doesn't have divine agents intervene
      > until/unless his characters have done everything in their power to solve
      > their own problems.>>
      > I agree with Matt, though, that the eagles are a tricky device because they
      > could easily solve so many problems, but they don't, but then they do show
      > up as a deus ex machina when needed.
      > I suspect, however, that if JRR had gotten around to final revisions the
      > eagles would have played a smaller part in the Silmarillion. There are a
      > number of ideas that JRR used in the Silm that he reused in the LotR such
      > that a revised Silm would have had to either have repeats in it, or be
      > revised to a different conception.
      > Rob

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