16764Re: Tolkien works
- Nov 1, 2006--- In TolkienDiscussions@yahoogroups.com, whiteladyofrohan@...
> Final question: The History of Middle Earth Volume 6 is
> Return of the Shadow, the histories of the Lord of the Rings, Part1. Is there a
> Part 2 or is The Lord of the Rings considered Part 2?As master Bellinger said, and his scheme was very clear!, this is
Volume 1: The Book of Lost Tales, Part 1
Volume 2: The Book of Lost Tales, Part 2
Volume 3:The Lays of Beleriand
Volume 4:The Shaping of Middle Earth
Volume 5: The Lost Road
Volume 6: The Return of the Shadow - The History of Middle Earth,
Volume 7: The Treason of Isengard - The History of Middle Earth,
Volume 8: The War of the Ring - - The History of Middle Earth, Part
Volume 9: Sauron Defeated: The End of the Third Age - The History of
Middle Earth, Part 4
Volume 10: Morgoth's Ring - The Later Silmarillion, Part 1
Volume 11: The War of the Jewels - The Later Silmarillion, Part 2
Volume 12: The Peoples of Middle Earth
> Can someone enlighten me? Where does the Complete History ofMiddle Earth
> Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3 fit into the History of Middle EarthVolumes 1
> through 12? Or does it not? Are these three books outside theHOME series?
> Also, is Unfinished Tales the same thing you'd find in The Bookof Lost Tales 1
> and 2 (aka The History of Middle Earth Volumes 1 and 2)?I've read The Silmarillion, and Unfinished Tales. I haven't read all
HoME, but only BoLT2, and set eyes and hands on Lays of Beleriand...
(I can hardly believe that, for... whatever matters, I have burnt it
all!... But it happened. Now I have to buy it all again, and I have
no money... But that's... say... well: I'll survive. Someday,
In what concerns Unfinished Tales and BoLT1, I can't say, for I had
never had chance to put hands or eyes on BoLT1, but, having read
vol. 2, it doesn't make sense to me. If I'm not mistaken -- for I
remember slightly having put hands once on BoLT1, it tells stories
of the Silmarillion... (?)
Unfinished Tales and Book of Lost Tales II are definitely not the
SILMARILLION & UNFINISHED TALES
Silmarillion & Unfinished Tales are a series apart from HoME.
One can read only Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The Hobbit and the
Lord of the Rings to have Ages before the Sun, and Ages I, II and
III of the Sun.
Silmarillion tell stories of elven-lore of first age, and a bit of
Unfinished Tales brings part of first age, plenty of second age, and
a bit of third age.
Silmarillion, however, is more lore-shaped, while Unfinished Tales
is more in the style of the appendices of LotR. It's kind of text is
more like scientific text. Different from Silmarillion.
(And The Hobbit and LotR are modern epic, which they call novel, or
By lore I mean mythic. This is why even Gilgamesh came up, in the
last discussions... It also has a bit to do with the Torah of the
Hebrews and the first Books-of-the-Prophets (Neviim)*, and Greek
epics Ilias, Odysseia.
This is, also, -- maybe -- one reason why many people find
Silmarillion, as well as the Patriarchs of the Hebrews ("genesis")
boring books to read, and versions of the Greek epics in verse. (As
well as Gilgamesh.)
Usually, one strong reason for people to find it hard to read these
texts is not to have a reason to do it, other than the will of
knowledge of them. This is, also, the reason why lists like these
exist. (As well as the Britannica! :^)
'Have others, but I'll spare you of them, right now.
a Classicist ... without a pipe. Sorry.
(Modern Classicists use other things, different from smoke-making
wood-tools. I use the mandolin. It doesn't make smoke, but sound.
Like an ainu... :^)
Only one post-scriptum. I almost forgot The Adventures of Tom
Bombadil, which someone in this list likes very much, in the
religious feature of his thesis on the R. Tolkien's demiurge (...).
Together with Unfinished Tales (third part) The Hobbit and LotR, it
makes a good picture of the III Age of the Sun, in its whole.
*Joshua, the judges, Samuel, Natan, Eliah, Eliah's disciple (don't
know his name in English...); different from the style of the rest
of the Neviim: Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the 12, except Hagai;
Daniel, for most modern Hebrews, doesn't make part of the Prophets.)
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