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  • The Community of YAHWEH
    Shalom Everyone! Please check this Page at http://www.yahwehism.com/html/sacred-name.html IS THIS A HOAX, TRICK, JOKE??? OR IS TRIBULATION AND PERSECUTION
    Message 1 of 7 , Nov 26, 2006
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      Shalom Everyone!

      Please check this Page at http://www.yahwehism.com/html/sacred-name.html

      IS THIS A HOAX, TRICK, JOKE??? OR IS TRIBULATION AND PERSECUTION COMING
      SOON???

      May The TRUE Creator and Father, YAHWEH, Open your and our minds and
      hearts, eyes and ears to Understand it!

      True Love In The TRUE Name of HIS Son and TRUE Savior and MessiYah,
      YAHSHUA, The ONLY Name by Which we MUST be Saved (Acts 4:12)!

      Carlo Tognoni

      The Community of YAHWEH For The Disciples of YAHSHUA
      www.thecommunityofyahweh.com

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    • Larry
      This is abominable, but does not present much of a threat to truth seekers. The tactics used are transparently full of ignorance. The writer does not even
      Message 2 of 7 , Dec 17, 2006
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        This is abominable, but does not present much of a threat to truth
        seekers. The tactics used are transparently full of ignorance. The
        writer does not even know the difference between the Hebrew
        letters "aleph" and "hey." This "article" is nothing more than a
        failed attempt to pull together random and unrelated thoughts and
        force some kind of conclusion to teach. It is said that you can
        prove anything you want if you already know what you want, and this
        site attests to that. Truth does not matter to them.

        BTW, don't let his stupid remarks cause you to cast doubt on those
        of us who read the site. You don't have to agree to his
        little "deny Yahweh" box to read. Just use a browser other than IE
        and close the box. You can then continue without any problem.

        Psalmist (Larry)

        --- In TheTrueSabbathsAndNewMoons@yahoogroups.com, "The Community of
        YAHWEH" <yahwehcommunity@...> wrote:
        >
        > Shalom Everyone!
        >
        > Please check this Page at http://www.yahwehism.com/html/sacred-
        name.html
        >
        > IS THIS A HOAX, TRICK, JOKE??? OR IS TRIBULATION AND PERSECUTION
        COMING
        > SOON???
        >
        > May The TRUE Creator and Father, YAHWEH, Open your and our minds
        and
        > hearts, eyes and ears to Understand it!
        >
        > True Love In The TRUE Name of HIS Son and TRUE Savior and
        MessiYah,
        > YAHSHUA, The ONLY Name by Which we MUST be Saved (Acts 4:12)!
        >
        > Carlo Tognoni
        >
        > The Community of YAHWEH For The Disciples of YAHSHUA
        > www.thecommunityofyahweh.com
        >
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        >
      • YHWHPeople@aol.com
        Philo and lunar Sabbaths- Philo the Jew kept lunar Sabbaths Here is an “eyewitness” account as to how The “Savior” and the “Jews” kept the weeks
        Message 3 of 7 , Dec 17, 2006
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          Philo and lunar Sabbaths- Philo the Jew kept lunar Sabbaths
          Here is an “eyewitness” account as to how The “Savior” and the “Jews” kept the weeks and 7th day of the week, and it is NOT the way it is being done today.
           
          People accept the scripture where it says that they would “forget” His name for Ball/lord but won’t accept where the scripture says that He would destroy their Sanctuary and cause His Sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion Lamentation 2:6. Yes the Name AND Sabbath were both forgotten and are now being restored to those that are willing to listen.
           
           
          WHY ARE THE WRITING’S OF PHILO THE JEW SO IMPORTANT?????
           

           “In the quest for historical evidence as it relates to this subject, we have noticed that Philo is not often mentioned by those who support Saturday Sabbaths. The writings of Philo are very important for establishing Jewish practice and belief both before and during the Messiah’s time here on earth. Philo lived from approximately 20 BCE until about 50 CE. Thus, his lifetime spanned not only the years prior to the Messiah’s birth, but also the years following His resurrection (not to mention the years in between).
          The evidence reveals that Philo’s beliefs were representative of those of Judaism during that period of time. Philo, who was born and raised in Alexandria, Egypt, was one of more than 100,000 Jews living in that city. When the prefect Flaccus initiated a massacre of the Jews in the year 39 CE, Philo was selected to head the Jewish delegation that went to Rome to plead their case before Gaius Caligula.
          Please pause for a moment and reflect on the significance of Philo’s having been chosen from among his peers for such a monumental task. Would Philo have been chosen for such a mission “if” his practice and beliefs “had not” squared with those of normative Judaism? No, he would not have been chosen unless his views matched those of his peers. We know from Philo’s writings that he did {observed} "Lunar Sabbaths." If normative Judaism had practiced "Saturday Sabbaths" while Philo rebelliously observed "Lunar weeks and Sabbaths," would this detail have affected their decision to select him to lead a delegation to
          Rome?
          Absolutely. Sabbath observance is one of the most distinguishing marks of Judaism, or as author Dayan Grunfeld put it, the Sabbath "epitomizes the whole of Judaism."
          For Philo to have "gone against the grain" of Judaism with regard to Sabbath observance would have signaled a break with Judaism. We can thus discern that if Philo observed the lunar weeks and Sabbath by the phases of the moon each week, so did the rest of his fellow Jews, including our Savior because there were no controversy between our Savior and the Jews concerning the weekly Sabbath .

          We believe Philo did a pretty decent job of explaining how, the weeks are connected to the moon, which are covered in his book.

          We feel that a major blow to Sat- sabbatarian theology involves that which Philo “left out” of his writings pertaining to any Saturday Sabbaths.
          Not once did Philo mention another week other than the "lunar" cycle in determining the Sabbath day. In fact, the word "Saturday or Saturn’s day" isn’t mentioned even “once” in Philo’s entire book. This is significant, as elsewhere in Philo’s writings, he devotes much space to discussing the cycle of the moon and the #7. In fact, the day of the new moon is listed separate from the weeks as one of the major feasts, and he never counted the new moon when counting the 28 days of the 4 weeks or 4 Sabbaths each month/moon.
          We find it to be very interesting that Philo mentioned the "moon" and it’s phases of waxing and waning in his commentary regarding the Sabbath. In his writings, Philo distinguishes new moon observance as a separate feast from the weekly Sabbath, and that is why he never includes the new moon in counting out the weeks.
          Please study Philo carefully and prayerfully because Philo was an “eye witness” of how things were done by the Jews in our Savior’s day, including when a week begins and ends. We should not ignore the testimony of eye witnesses when searching for the truth on how something was done. Here are a few of the many proofs of how the Jews is our Saviour’s day understood weeks and Sabbaths.
           
           
          In order to have a lunar Sabbath, you must have a lunar “week”, did Philo link the Sabbath or the “week” with the phases of the moon or not??? The answer is yes in fact the lunar week and lunar Sabbath is the only week or Sabbath mentioned in Philo’s writings. Let us begin in his writings.

           
          ON MATING WITH THE PRELIMINARY STUDIES, X1X (102) it says,
           
          "For it is said in the Scripture: On the tenth day of this month let each of them take a sheep according to his house; in order that from the tenth, there may be consecrated to the tenth, that is to God, the sacrifices which have been preserved in the soul, which is illuminated in two portions out of the three, until it is entirely changed in every part, and becomes a heavenly brilliancy like a full moon, at the height of its increase at the end of the second “week”

          Please let what Philo just said sink in. His readers and fellow Jews of that era or in those days understand that the weeks were by the moon, and that at the end of the second week they would be a full moon. This statement needs no interpretation. The people understood that the weeks were by the moon, same as in the Scriptures. If this is so then the sacred seventh day of the week, which comes at the end of the second week, must be a full moon Sabbath (Psalms 81:3-6). Why? Because in many places Philo speaks of the weekly seventh day, and we all know that the seventh day comes at the end of the week. People would like for us to believe that the months were originally by the moon but the weeks were not.

          Philo was making an observation of how a person can be spiritually illuminated to a full brilliance just like a full moon at the height of its increase at the end of the second week.
          Philo did not count the new moon when counting out the weeks as these calendars do today. This statement is very easily proven from the writings of Philo because he states in other places thought his book that the full moon is on the 15th each month and he also separates the new moon as a separate feast day, from the weeks. Writers today would instead count the new moon day in counting their weeks, but it is obvious from Philo that he did not count the new moon day when counting out the weeks. This is because at the end of the second week the full moon would be on the 14th instead of the 15th as Philo plainly declares many times. In other words you have your new moon worship day, then six workdays and then the seventh day or weekly Sabbath on the 8th day of the moon (Ezech-46:1). You then have six more workdays and a full moon on day 15 or at the end of the second week or second seven, i.e. at the end of 14 days after the new moon worship day.

          This proves the new moon was not counted in counting out the weeks same as YHWH did not count it in Exodus the 16th chapter when he made the Sabbath known to Moses. If the new moon was ever counted in counting out the weeks in Scripture, there would be pinpointed weekly Sabbaths on the 7th, 14th, 21st, 28th etc. Yet, you cannot find these days pinpointed anywhere in Scripture because these days are always preparation days for the weekly Sabbath. When Philo spoke of the 10th or 15th day of the month, he was counting the new moon day in his count, but it is an absolute that when he counted out the week, he did not count the new moon, which in itself proves lunar weeks. Remember Philo is just stating “how” things were done in his day.
           

          Getting back on point we must remember that the works of Philo are very significant in that he walked the earth before and at the same time and twenty years after the resurrection of the Son of YHWH. He was one of the most influential men of that time, living as Jew in
          Alexandria, Egypt, and read from the Septuagint Bible. The Septuagint, was the most quoted from by our Savior and His Apostles.
           
          Did Philo ever mention that the Sabbath could be found counting from the New moon???

          The answer is yes, in Philo’s writings about such things as the Priesthood, festivals etc. are in harmony with the Bible we now read today. At one point in his writings he did make mention that some states or provinces were keeping only one Sabbath per month counting from the new moon, whereas we know all four should be kept. Here is Philo on this issue:
           
           
          THE DECALOGUE, XX (96)  It says,
           
          ”The fourth commandment has reference to the sacred seventh day that it may be passed in a sacred and holy manner. Some states keep the “holy festival” only once in the month, counting from the new moon, as a day sacred to God; but the nation of the Jews keep every seventh day regularly, after each interval of six days”.
           

          Please notice carefully that Philo is given positive proof that the fourth commandment holy seventh day festival is found by counting from the new moon but some people were keeping it only once a month. One must realize that Philo understood that the new moon was a festival all by itself and was not one of the six ordinary working days (Ezekiel 46:1-3). The gate of the inner court was to be shut on the six working days and opened on the Sabbath and day of the new moon. Philo states that some provinces were observing the holy Sabbath day festival only once in the month/moon.
           
          The fact that he centers in on “only once” in the month/moon lets us know that he is concerned with the number of times it is kept each month/moon by some states. He also mentions that they were keeping it by counting from the new moon and recognizing it as a day sacred to YHWH. Now, if counting from the new moon to find the weekly Sabbath is erroneous, how did these states keep the holy festival once a month? Think about this.
           
          Philo did not say they kept a Sabbath or their Sabbath or a bogus Sabbath, but rather he said they kept the holy festival sacred to YHWH. i.e. the fourth commandment Sabbath. This has to mean that the proper way to find the holy festival of the Seventh day is to count from the new moon.  Philo goes on to show that the moon perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations on each Seventh day.
           
          ”Again, the periodical changes of the moon, take place according to the number seven, that star having the greatest sympathy with the things on earth. And the changes which the moon works in the air, it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations on each “seventh day”. At all events, all mortal things, as I have said before, drawing their more divine nature from the heaven, are moved in a manner which tends to their preservation in accordance with this number seven. … Accordingly, on the seventh day, God caused to rest from all his works which he had made."…
          ALLEGORICAL INTERPRETATION, 1 IV (8)
           
          Notice he said, “And the changes which the moon works in the air, it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations on eachseventh day”, instead of “it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations every seven days. There is a difference in the phrase on each seventh day and every seven days.
           
          Philo continues by saying that the Jewish nation keeps every seventh day holy after each interval of six days. This poses no problem at all to lunar sabbatarians as we too do what Philo did. Philo already gave us the proof that counting from the new moon was the proper way to find the holy festival of the Sabbath, therefore when he says the Jews keep every seventh day holy, he is speaking of every seventh day after each interval of six working days periods from new moon to new moon. This is the only logical way to understand this particular passage in Philo.

           If Saturday keeper were to say that "some states keep the holy Sabbath only once a month counting on today's calendar, but we keep every seventh day after six workdays" would the only possible way to construe what you're saying is that your Holy Sabbath day was found in a different way than by the "calendar" or were both of you counting on today's calendar?
           
          You just acknowledged that they kept the holy Sabbath day "only once" a month and they found it by today's calendar that Julius Caesar introduced, but that don't mean that you don't use the "same" calendar now does it? The same is true with Philo, they both counted from the new moon, but some were keeping it only once each month/moon. It is common knowledge most people use the calendar of today but when Philo made the very same statement, the weeks and holy Sabbath days were by the moon, that too was common knowledge.

          When Philo made the statement that "some states keep the Holy Sabbath/festival only once a month/moon counting from the new moon" and follows up by saying they keep every Sabbath day after six days does not mean that he did not count for the holy Sabbath/festival in the same way that the people that kept it only once a month/moon did i.e. from the new moon.
          The same thing applies to you if you said that some people keep the holy Sabbath/Saturday only once a month by the calendar but you keep every Sabbath after six workdays. (That doesn’t mean that you counted a different way or had a different calendar than they)

          I know a Baptist Church that has service every third Sunday counting on the today's calendar and I know another Baptist church that keeps every Sunday after six workdays are we to suppose that there are not counting by the same calendar?

          Philo used the word intervals and we know that there are approximately 12 monthly "intervals" each year and each month has four Sabbaths with "intervals" of six work days between each with a Sabbath at the end of each and Philo kept every one of them not only one per moon. Speaking of intervals,
           
          Philo in The Special Laws 1. (178) speaking of "intervals" or after six work day “lunar” intervals, Philo writes,

          (178)…”there is one principle of reason by which the moon waxes and wanes in equal “intervals”, both as it increases and diminishes in illumination; the seven lambs because it receives the perfect shapes in periods of seven days—the half-moon in the first seven day period “after” its conjunction with the sun, full moon in the second; and when it makes its return again, the first is to half-moon, then it ceases at its conjunction with the sun.

          If you would stop and think for a minute, how that Philo acknowledges that some states were finding the sacred holy Sabbath by counting from the new moon but was keeping it "only once" every moon/month. In reality Philo would have said "Some states keep the holy Sabbath only once per "moon" or "new moon", I don't believe he used the word "month" which proves that the weekly Sabbaths were by the moon, i.e. some kept only ONE of the HOLY Sabbath each MOON/month and some kept all 4 of them each moon regularly after six work days. At least you will have to acknowledge that some people were keeping the Holy Sabbaths by the moon, (not month) or they kept at least one of the Holy Sabbaths each moon/month.

           As for now allow me to continue in Philo’s writings:
           
          ALLEGORICAL INTERPRETATION, 1 IV (8)
           
          ”Again, the periodical changes of the moon, take place according to the number seven, that star having the greatest sympathy with the things on earth. And the changes which the moon works in the air, it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations on each “seventh day”. At all events, all mortal things, as I have said before, drawing their more divine nature from the heaven, are moved in a manner which tends to their preservation in accordance with this number seven. … Accordingly, on the seventh day, God caused to rest from all his works which he had made."…
           
          Notice he said, “And the changes which the moon works in the air, it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations on eachseventh day”, instead of “it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations every seven days. There is a difference in the phrase on each seventh day and every seven days.
          Almost all scholars agree that the primal seven-day calendar - as used among very ancient Semites - was based upon the Moon. Furthermore, this unique weekly cycle appears to have been observed in orientation to the lunar-phase. An example of the early week, based upon the phases of the moon, is described on the Fifth Tablet of the Semitic Story of the Creation 12-18. Note that the moon is said to "make known the days" and its horns "the seasons", creating the Sabbath on the 7th and 14th (midmonthly) days of the lunar month:
           
          The dark of the moon would be the new moon day/days before the horns creating the Sabbath on the 7th which would be the 8th if new moon day was counted.  Here's the quote,
          "[The moon] he caused to shine, ruling the night:
          He set him then as a creature of the night, to make known the days.
          Monthly unfailing, he provided him with a tiara.
          At the beginning of the month then, appearing in the land,
          The horns shine forth to make known the seasons.
          On the seventh day “the tiara perfecting,”
          A sa[bath] shalt thou then encounter, mid-[month]ly." - (From
          Hastings, on Sabbath:Babylonian).
           
           
          Notice On the seventh day “the tiara perfecting,”  and what Philo said, “it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations on eachseventh day” i.e. on each Sabbath or each Seventh day the moon perfect chiefly in accordance with its own configurations.  The seventh day spoken of here has to be “a lunar Sabbath day” because any count of one through seven over and over without paying attention to the new moon will not affect the moon’s configuration; it must be a Seventh day that is counted from the new moon each month, and the phrase “on each seventh day” has to be referring to lunar Seventh days, and not a carnal count of one through seven.  So Philo has to be referring to lunar Seventh days that are counted from the new moon. i.e. you have a seventh day configuration on the eighth day of the moon, counting from the new moon, you have a full moon configuration on the 15th day of the moon which is another Seventh day counting from the last Seventh day and another waning configuration on the 22nd day of the moon which is also a lunar Seventh day counting from the last Seventh day and so forth.
           
          The bottom line is that the perfecting of the configurations of the moon on each seventh day is tied to the moon.  If you were to count one through seven through the next month/moon, without starting the count over again on the new moon, the configurations will drift off of the seventh day or vice versa, therefore the Seventh day has to have a beginning point and it is found by the new moon, i.e. the seventh day spoken of by Philo cannot go from one new moon to another without starting the count over again each month or else the configurations of the moon will not line up with the Seventh day.
          Had a Hebrew speaking Jew wrote this he would have said “it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations on each “Sabbath” day” instead of each “seventh” day because elsewhere in his writings, Philo identifies that when he mentions the seventh day he is speaking of the Sabbath day. Above, he tells us that the moon perfects its own configurations on each seventh day. It was understood, that at the end each period of six work days there would be a weekly Sabbath or weekly Seventh day. The Greek speaking Jews referred to the Sabbath as the seventh day or the sacred seventh day, while in the language of the Hebrews it was termed Shabbat, or the Sabbath.  At any rate the phrase, “on each seventh day”, CANNOT be taken away from or divorced from the moon phases, i.e. these seventh days spoken of by Philo, must remain with the phases of the moon and they have a starting point in heaven and you do not have to depend on some man organization telling you when to start the count for the seventh day.
           Continuing on with Philo:
           
          THE DECALOGUE XXX (159)

          ”But to the seventh day of the week he has assigned the greatest festivals, those of the longest duration, at the periods of the equinox both vernal and autumnal and autumnal in each year; appointing two festivals for these two epochs, each lasting seven days; the one which takes place in the spring being for the perfection of what is being sown, and the one which falls in autumn being a feast of thanksgiving for the bringing home of all the fruits which the trees have produced”…

          Let’s look carefully at what Philo is saying. But to the seventh day of the week He has assigned the greatest festivals, in other words the greatest (longest) festivals have been assigned to the seventh day of the week (15th Sabbath) which begins the Festival and lasts for seven days. We know both of these seven day feasts begin on the 15th (Sabbath). Each of them lasts for seven days, and each one of these events were assigned to the seventh day of the week (15th) or weekly Sabbath to begin the Feast and it lasted seven days. Philo goes on to say that each month (1st and 7th) should receive an especial honor of one sacred day of festival, for the purpose of refreshing and clearing the mind with its holiday.
           
          Notice he did not say they would receive two holydays of festivals, but one, the 15th. To prove the seventh day of the week is the same as the 15th, elsewhere Philo states, "Again the beginning of this feast is appointed for the fifteenth day of the month (or seventh day of the week) on account of the reason which has already been mentioned respecting the Spring season might receive special honor of one sacred day of festival."

          In other words, Philo is saying the weekly Sabbath begins these feasts, and is on the 15th. This proves the Sabbaths by the lunar calendar because there is no way the weekly Sabbath (15th) can begin these two festivals on the 15th in the 1st and 7th month each year, on a continuous seven day cycle by the calendar of today. Let’s continue:
           
          F.H. Colson’s translation of THE DECALOGUE XXX (159) reads,

          ”The fourth, which treats of the seventh day, must be regarded as nothing less than a gathering under one "head" of the feasts and the purifications ordained for each feasts, the proper lustrations and the acceptable prayers and flawless sacrifices with which the ritual was carried out. By the seventh I mean both the seventh which "includes" the most creative of numbers, six, and that which does "not include" it but takes precedence of "it" and "resembles" the unit. "Both" these are employed by Him in reckoning the feast-times.” (Colson’s translation of Philo.)

          What can be plainer than that? Let's analyze it. "The fourth, which treats of the seventh day, must be regarded as nothing less than a gathering under one "head" of the feasts." How can the weekly Sabbath day be regarded as a gathering under one head of the feasts unless it heads these feast i.e. begins them each year. This proves Lunar Sabbaths. Philo continues by saying,
          “by the seventh I mean “both” the seventh which "includes" the most creative of numbers, six, and that which does "not include" it but takes precedence of it and "resembles" the unit." The word precedence means it comes before the number six during the feasts, i.e. one of the two sevenths days comes before the number six during the 7 day feast, i.e. the 15th, and the other seventh comes after the number six during the 7 day feast and is combined with it, i.e.the seventh day of the feast. This is impossible if he used the count for the Sabbath as the people of today.
           
          The word precedence also has a footnote that has the actual Greek word and states, "the verb, derived from the adverb ……., seem to be used as a thing which gets in front of something else and obscures it so here the idea may be that the unit or monad does not need six to make it equivalent to seven." (Spec. Leg. Iv.52).
           
          The reason that the unit or monad does not need six to make it equivalent to seven, is because it is 7.

          One of the two sevenths mentioned by Philo, don’t come after the number six, during the feast, but comes BEFORE it and is the weekly seventh  remember he said, “to the weekly seventh day he has assigned these feasts”. The footnote that says "…here the idea may be that the unit or monad does not need six to make it equivalent to seven…" This is because this single unit or monad does not need six to make it equivalent to seven because it is a seventh and both Yonge's and Colson’s translation says it is made to resemble the unit/first or number one.
          Last but not least it says, "Both” these are "employed" by Him in reckoning the feast-“times." You cannot reckon feast-times with a seventh that jumps around during the 7 day feast, on a man-made calendar. Both the sevens have to be fixed not just the one that is on the 21st because He employed both sevens in reckoning the feast-times. i.e. the one that comes after the number six and the one that don’t come after the number six but comes before it.
           
           If one of the sevenths could move it would also fall on the 21st at times and would also be combined with the number six and there would be only one seventh then. I could go on and on with quotations from Philo, but anyone can call me at 770.483.8542 if you’d like to discuss this matter further. To close we will place the facts from Philo from both the Yonge and Colson translations.

          FACT #1: Both translation state that the full moon is at the end of the second week which has been argued that the weeks have nothing to do with the moon.
          FACT #2: They both state that the full moon is on the 15th.
          FACT #3: They both teach that the 15th begins both of the 7-day feasts/festivals each year, which is the same 15th/full moon that is at the end of the second week. (This is impossible with the Roman calendar)

          The question is, could this same 15th be the weekly seventh day that the festivals are assigned to? He says both of these festivals has been assigned to the seventh day of the week, yes it is the 15th that is at the end of the second week and it is the 7th day of the lunar week and the same seventh day that begins theses feasts. They were keeping lunar weeks, and that is why the Greek speaking Jews and the Hebrew speaking Jews were at Pentecost at the same time. let’s examine fact number four and see.

          FACT #4: Both translations conclusively teach that they are two sevenths in each of these festivals and both are connected in some way with the number six.
          When Philo states that there are two sevenths in both the festival of unleavened bread and the festival of booths is he somehow missing the point Saturday sabbatarians would bring up today - that there is a third seventh that will hit in between the 15th and the 21st the majority of years that the feasts come around? Why does Philo not mention this third seventh? It is because none exists. Philo only mention two sevenths in relation to the feast and the first of these two sevenths is none other than the weekly seventh day Sabbath of the 4th commandment that leads the feasts and is considered the first day of the feast - the 15th. 

           
           
          Does Philo mention the Sabbaths in connection with the waxing and waning of the moon?
           
           
          On page 17 of Ralph Marcus' translation of Philo’s work entitled “Questions and Answers, Exodus, Book 1”: in says,
             “9. (Ex. xii. 6a) Why does He command (them) to keep the sacrifice until the fourteenth (day of the month)?
             (Consisting of) two Sabbaths, it has in its nature a (special) honour because in this time the moon is adorned. For when it has become full on the fourteenth (day), it becomes full of light in the perception of the people. And again through (another) fourteen (days) it recedes from its fullness of light to its conjunction, and it wanes as much in comparison with the preceding Sabbath as the second (waxes) in comparison with the first. For this reason the fourteenth (day) is pre-festive, as though (it were) a road leading to festive rejoicings, during which it is incumbent upon us to meditate”.
           
          The above 14 days of waxing and 14 days of waning is only 28 days and is not counting the new moon day, but if the new moon were counted the 14th would then be the 15th

           
           
          In my book of Philo on pg. 15, On The Creation, ch, 34, (101) it tells about the # 7, and the moon, quote:

          "XXXIV. (101) Among the things then which are perceptible only by intellect, the number seven is proved to be the only thing free from motion and accident; but among things perceptible by the external senses, it displays a great and comprehensive power, contributing to the improvement of all terrestrial things, and affecting even the periodical changes of the moon. And in what manner it does this, we must consider. The number seven when compounded of numbers beginning with the unit, makes EIGHT-AND-TWENTY, a perfect number, and one equalised in its parts. And the number so produced, is calculated to reproduce the revolutions of the moon, bringing her back to the point from which she first began to increase in a manner perceptible by the external senses, and to which she returns by waning. For she increases from her first crescent-shaped figure, to that of a HALF CIRCLE in seven days; and in seven more, she becomes a FULL ORB; and then again she turns back, retracing the same path, like a runner of the diaulos, receding from an orb full of light, to a half circle again in seven days, and lastly, in an equal number she diminishes from a half circle to the form of a crescent; and thus the number before mentioned is completed."
           
           
          Notice again, there are only 28 days mention here, which would represent the four weeks, because four-time seven is 28, and proves that the new moon day is not counted when counting weeks, and Philo lists the new moon day as a feast all by its self, and is not counted in the making up of the week.
           
          According to Philo, The counting for the weeks began from her first crescent shaped figure, to that of a half circle in seven days, which proves the dark moon, or new moon, was not counted in the 28 days, or the four weeks. The same is true in the scriptures.
           
          When the Sabbath was made known to Moses, it was at the end of the second week, which was a full moon, same as in the writings of Philo.
           
          This is found in the 16th chapter of Exodus.
           
           
          There is no where in the book of Philo that refers to any other week other than by the moon. This proves that they were reckoning time by the moon and at the end of the second week, which would be the seventh day of the week, and also a full moon, which is in perfect harmony with the scriptures.
           
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          seekers. The tactics used are transparently full of ignorance. The
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          letters "aleph" and "hey." This "article" is nothing more than a
          failed attempt to pull together random and unrelated thoughts and
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          Shalom Psalmist (Larry)! Thank you very much for kindly sharing your points of view! That surely is not a threat to Truth Seekers for its contents, that, as
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            Shalom Psalmist (Larry)!
             
            Thank you very much for kindly sharing your points of view!
             
            That surely is not a threat to Truth Seekers for its contents, that, as you rightly said, can be easily disputed and controverted.
             
            But it could become a deceitful tool given to ignorant people (just because Truth does not matter to them!) to scorn and label as "heresy", "cult", "sect", and ultimately to have their excuses and justifications to scorn, discriminate, and persecute Truth Seekers, who use The TRUE Names of The Father, and The Son!
             
            Of course, his condition to read that Site is a HOAX, TRICK, JOKE, because, on one hand, it is not legal and binding, and can be also easily skipped (using your smart suggestion, or just let common people to open it, if you have any doubt of conscience), and, on the other hand, it is, at the same time, to keep out Truth Seekers, who use The TRUE Names of The Father, and The Son, Which he is blaspheming, because they can easily dispute and controvert it, and/or to challenge and provoke them to enter, then to falsely accuse them to be "liars" because they have accessed that Site, as he is doing, because of his fake remarks on the premise to enter, that, I repeat, is NOT legal and binding!
             
            May our Creator and Father YAHWEH (YHWH) Bless your and our Insight of HIS Will and Word, The TRUTH!
             
            True Love in HIS Beloved Son, and our Savior YAHSHUA (YAHWSHUA) MESSIYAH (MESSIAH),
             
            Carlo Tognoni
             
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            This is abominable, but does not present much of a threat to truth
            seekers. The tactics used are transparently full of ignorance. The
            writer does not even know the difference between the Hebrew
            letters "aleph" and "hey." This "article" is nothing more than a
            failed attempt to pull together random and unrelated thoughts and
            force some kind of conclusion to teach. It is said that you can
            prove anything you want if you already know what you want, and this
            site attests to that. Truth does not matter to them.

            BTW, don't let his stupid remarks cause you to cast doubt on those
            of us who read the site. You don't have to agree to his
            little "deny Yahweh" box to read. Just use a browser other than IE
            and close the box. You can then continue without any problem.

            Psalmist (Larry)

            --- In TheTrueSabbathsAndN ewMoons@yahoogro ups.com, "The Community of
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            COMING
            > SOON???
            >
            > May The TRUE Creator and Father, YAHWEH, Open your and our minds
            and
            > hearts, eyes and ears to Understand it!
            >
            > True Love In The TRUE Name of HIS Son and TRUE Savior and
            MessiYah,
            > YAHSHUA, The ONLY Name by Which we MUST be Saved (Acts 4:12)!
            >
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            Shalom Brother Arnold! Even if the Subject would be about the HOAX, TRICK, JOKE of the Site that is blaspheming The TRUE Names of our Creator and Father, and
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              Shalom Brother Arnold!
               
              Even if the Subject would be about the HOAX, TRICK, JOKE of the Site that is blaspheming The TRUE Names of our Creator and Father, and of our Savior and MessiYah, you have taken the opportunity, once again, to give your "testimony" that The Sabbath would be "Lunar", saying that "the Name AND Sabbath were both forgotten and are now being restored to those that are willing to listen".
               
              Well, I agree that BOTH of them were forgotten, and are now being restored to those that are willing to listen, but, about The Sabbath, NOT because It would be "Lunar", but because It is The Seventh DAY, from morning to evening (Genesis 1:3-5, 14-19; Mattithyah / Matthew 12:40; 20:1-16; Yahchanan / John 9:4-5; 11:9-10; etc.), and NOT the pharisaical, rabbinical tradition from sunset of "friday" to sunset of "saturday".
               
              Yes, The Seventh DAY is the Day that this (pagan) world WRONGLY commonly calls "saturday" in English (since, for example, in ITALIAN It is "SABATO", and in Spanish and Portuguese It is "SABADO", and in French It is "SABBAT", that are transliterations for the Hebrew "SHABBAT"), simply because there are at least 2000 years of Jewish History to prove that they have always kept The Sabbath on that Day, just as there are almost 2000 years of Catholic History to prove that they have kept their First Day on "sunday" (the Day after), and there are almost 1500 years of Muslim History to prove that they have kept their Day of worhip on "friday" (the Day before).
               
              The Seventh DAY is The SABBATH, not matter how this (pagan) world WRONGLY calls it in some Languages! It is The SEVENTH Day of Rest, after six days of work! And surely it is NOT in honor of "Saturn", as this (pagan) world called It in English, for those who Revere YAHWEH (YHWH), and Keep It Set Apart to HIM!
               
              Would your "Lunar" Sabbaths fall on some DAYS of the week? So, are they in honor of the "Sun" if the fall on "sunday", or in honor of the "Moon" if they fall on "monday", etc.? Do you see your inferring that people who keep The Sabbath on "saturday" are giving honor to "Saturn", is ABSOLUTELY WRONG?  
               
              About Philo, I don't see him listed as one of the Writers of The Scriptures, do you? So, why I should trust him, and his writings, to verify a Scriptural Issue? Are not The Scriptures enough for that? Was YAHWEH not able to show what HIS Sabbath is, in The Scriptures, that you would need to check a man's writings to know it? How could you trust Philo's writings were true, since you have only copies, and/or translations of them?
               
              Anyway, even if Philo's writings were true, and their copies, and/or translations would be correct, they actually do NOT say what you are interpreting, WRONGLY inferring that Philo was referring to "Lunar" Sabbaths, as we have already discussed in the past, and our Dear Brothers Paul, and John Cordaro have clearly shown you!
               
              I appreciate your zeal, but unfortunately it is for a WRONG doctrine... Time allowing, I will show you, point by point, where you are WRONGLY interpreting also Philo's writings (supposing they were true), as you are doing with The Scriptures, trying to infer "Lunar" Sabbaths on Them, that is ABSOLUTELY NOT the case!
               
              May our Creator and Father YAHWEH (YHWH) Bless your and our Insight of HIS Will and Word, The TRUTH!
               
              True Love in HIS Beloved Son, and our Savior YAHSHUA (YAHWSHUA) MESSIYAH (MESSIAH),
               
              Carlo Tognoni
               
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              Philo and lunar Sabbaths- Philo the Jew kept lunar Sabbaths
              Here is an “eyewitness” account as to how The “Savior” and the “Jews” kept the weeks and 7th day of the week, and it is NOT the way it is being done today.
               
              People accept the scripture where it says that they would “forget” His name for Ball/lord but won’t accept where the scripture says that He would destroy their Sanctuary and cause His Sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion Lamentation 2:6. Yes the Name AND Sabbath were both forgotten and are now being restored to those that are willing to listen.
               
               
              WHY ARE THE WRITING’S OF PHILO THE JEW SO IMPORTANT?????
               

               “In the quest for historical evidence as it relates to this subject, we have noticed that Philo is not often mentioned by those who support Saturday Sabbaths. The writings of Philo are very important for establishing Jewish practice and belief both before and during the Messiah’s time here on earth. Philo lived from approximately 20 BCE until about 50 CE. Thus, his lifetime spanned not only the years prior to the Messiah’s birth, but also the years following His resurrection (not to mention the years in between).
              The evidence reveals that Philo’s beliefs were representative of those of Judaism during that period of time. Philo, who was born and raised in Alexandria, Egypt, was one of more than 100,000 Jews living in that city. When the prefect Flaccus initiated a massacre of the Jews in the year 39 CE, Philo was selected to head the Jewish delegation that went to Rome to plead their case before Gaius Caligula.
              Please pause for a moment and reflect on the significance of Philo’s having been chosen from among his peers for such a monumental task. Would Philo have been chosen for such a mission “if” his practice and beliefs “had not” squared with those of normative Judaism? No, he would not have been chosen unless his views matched those of his peers. We know from Philo’s writings that he did {observed} "Lunar Sabbaths." If normative Judaism had practiced "Saturday Sabbaths" while Philo rebelliously observed "Lunar weeks and Sabbaths," would this detail have affected their decision to select him to lead a delegation to
              Rome?
              Absolutely. Sabbath observance is one of the most distinguishing marks of Judaism, or as author Dayan Grunfeld put it, the Sabbath "epitomizes the whole of Judaism."
              For Philo to have "gone against the grain" of Judaism with regard to Sabbath observance would have signaled a break with Judaism. We can thus discern that if Philo observed the lunar weeks and Sabbath by the phases of the moon each week, so did the rest of his fellow Jews, including our Savior because there were no controversy between our Savior and the Jews concerning the weekly Sabbath .

              We believe Philo did a pretty decent job of explaining how, the weeks are connected to the moon, which are covered in his book.

              We feel that a major blow to Sat- sabbatarian theology involves that which Philo “left out” of his writings pertaining to any Saturday Sabbaths.
              Not once did Philo mention another week other than the "lunar" cycle in determining the Sabbath day. In fact, the word "Saturday or Saturn’s day" isn’t mentioned even “once” in Philo’s entire book. This is significant, as elsewhere in Philo’s writings, he devotes much space to discussing the cycle of the moon and the #7. In fact, the day of the new moon is listed separate from the weeks as one of the major feasts, and he never counted the new moon when counting the 28 days of the 4 weeks or 4 Sabbaths each month/moon.
              We find it to be very interesting that Philo mentioned the "moon" and it’s phases of waxing and waning in his commentary regarding the Sabbath. In his writings, Philo distinguishes new moon observance as a separate feast from the weekly Sabbath, and that is why he never includes the new moon in counting out the weeks.
              Please study Philo carefully and prayerfully because Philo was an “eye witness” of how things were done by the Jews in our Savior’s day, including when a week begins and ends. We should not ignore the testimony of eye witnesses when searching for the truth on how something was done. Here are a few of the many proofs of how the Jews is our Saviour’s day understood weeks and Sabbaths.
               
               
              In order to have a lunar Sabbath, you must have a lunar “week”, did Philo link the Sabbath or the “week” with the phases of the moon or not??? The answer is yes in fact the lunar week and lunar Sabbath is the only week or Sabbath mentioned in Philo’s writings. Let us begin in his writings.

               
              ON MATING WITH THE PRELIMINARY STUDIES, X1X (102) it says,
               
              "For it is said in the Scripture: On the tenth day of this month let each of them take a sheep according to his house; in order that from the tenth, there may be consecrated to the tenth, that is to God, the sacrifices which have been preserved in the soul, which is illuminated in two portions out of the three, until it is entirely changed in every part, and becomes a heavenly brilliancy like a full moon, at the height of its increase at the end of the second “week”

              Please let what Philo just said sink in. His readers and fellow Jews of that era or in those days understand that the weeks were by the moon, and that at the end of the second week they would be a full moon. This statement needs no interpretation. The people understood that the weeks were by the moon, same as in the Scriptures. If this is so then the sacred seventh day of the week, which comes at the end of the second week, must be a full moon Sabbath (Psalms 81:3-6). Why? Because in many places Philo speaks of the weekly seventh day, and we all know that the seventh day comes at the end of the week. People would like for us to believe that the months were originally by the moon but the weeks were not.

              Philo was making an observation of how a person can be spiritually illuminated to a full brilliance just like a full moon at the height of its increase at the end of the second week.
              Philo did not count the new moon when counting out the weeks as these calendars do today. This statement is very easily proven from the writings of Philo because he states in other places thought his book that the full moon is on the 15th each month and he also separates the new moon as a separate feast day, from the weeks. Writers today would instead count the new moon day in counting their weeks, but it is obvious from Philo that he did not count the new moon day when counting out the weeks. This is because at the end of the second week the full moon would be on the 14th instead of the 15th as Philo plainly declares many times. In other words you have your new moon worship day, then six workdays and then the seventh day or weekly Sabbath on the 8th day of the moon (Ezech-46:1) . You then have six more workdays and a full moon on day 15 or at the end of the second week or second seven, i.e. at the end of 14 days after the new moon worship day.

              This proves the new moon was not counted in counting out the weeks same as YHWH did not count it in Exodus the 16th chapter when he made the Sabbath known to Moses. If the new moon was ever counted in counting out the weeks in Scripture, there would be pinpointed weekly Sabbaths on the 7th, 14th, 21st, 28th etc. Yet, you cannot find these days pinpointed anywhere in Scripture because these days are always preparation days for the weekly Sabbath. When Philo spoke of the 10th or 15th day of the month, he was counting the new moon day in his count, but it is an absolute that when he counted out the week, he did not count the new moon, which in itself proves lunar weeks. Remember Philo is just stating “how” things were done in his day.
               

              Getting back on point we must remember that the works of Philo are very significant in that he walked the earth before and at the same time and twenty years after the resurrection of the Son of YHWH. He was one of the most influential men of that time, living as Jew in
              Alexandria, Egypt, and read from the Septuagint Bible. The Septuagint, was the most quoted from by our Savior and His Apostles.
               
              Did Philo ever mention that the Sabbath could be found counting from the New moon???

              The answer is yes, in Philo’s writings about such things as the Priesthood, festivals etc. are in harmony with the Bible we now read today. At one point in his writings he did make mention that some states or provinces were keeping only one Sabbath per month counting from the new moon, whereas we know all four should be kept. Here is Philo on this issue:
               
               
              THE DECALOGUE, XX (96)  It says,
               
              ”The fourth commandment has reference to the sacred seventh day that it may be passed in a sacred and holy manner. Some states keep the “holy festival” only once in the month, counting from the new moon, as a day sacred to God; but the nation of the Jews keep every seventh day regularly, after each interval of six days”.
               

              Please notice carefully that Philo is given positive proof that the fourth commandment holy seventh day festival is found by counting from the new moon but some people were keeping it only once a month. One must realize that Philo understood that the new moon was a festival all by itself and was not one of the six ordinary working days (Ezekiel 46:1-3). The gate of the inner court was to be shut on the six working days and opened on the Sabbath and day of the new moon. Philo states that some provinces were observing the holy Sabbath day festival only once in the month/moon.
               
              The fact that he centers in on “only once” in the month/moon lets us know that he is concerned with the number of times it is kept each month/moon by some states. He also mentions that they were keeping it by counting from the new moon and recognizing it as a day sacred to YHWH. Now, if counting from the new moon to find the weekly Sabbath is erroneous, how did these states keep the holy festival once a month? Think about this.
               
              Philo did not say they kept a Sabbath or their Sabbath or a bogus Sabbath, but rather he said they kept the holy festival sacred to YHWH. i.e. the fourth commandment Sabbath. This has to mean that the proper way to find the holy festival of the Seventh day is to count from the new moon.  Philo goes on to show that the moon perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations on each Seventh day.
               
              ”Again, the periodical changes of the moon, take place according to the number seven, that star having the greatest sympathy with the things on earth. And the changes which the moon works in the air, it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations on each “seventh day”. At all events, all mortal things, as I have said before, drawing their more divine nature from the heaven, are moved in a manner which tends to their preservation in accordance with this number seven. … Accordingly, on the seventh day, God caused to rest from all his works which he had made."…
              ALLEGORICAL INTERPRETATION, 1 IV (8)
               
              Notice he said, “And the changes which the moon works in the air, it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations on eachseventh day”, instead of “it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations every seven days. There is a difference in the phrase on each seventh day and every seven days.
               
              Philo continues by saying that the Jewish nation keeps every seventh day holy after each interval of six days. This poses no problem at all to lunar sabbatarians as we too do what Philo did. Philo already gave us the proof that counting from the new moon was the proper way to find the holy festival of the Sabbath, therefore when he says the Jews keep every seventh day holy, he is speaking of every seventh day after each interval of six working days periods from new moon to new moon. This is the only logical way to understand this particular passage in Philo.

               If Saturday keeper were to say that "some states keep the holy Sabbath only once a month counting on today's calendar, but we keep every seventh day after six workdays" would the only possible way to construe what you're saying is that your Holy Sabbath day was found in a different way than by the "calendar" or were both of you counting on today's calendar?
               
              You just acknowledged that they kept the holy Sabbath day "only once" a month and they found it by today's calendar that Julius Caesar introduced, but that don't mean that you don't use the "same" calendar now does it? The same is true with Philo, they both counted from the new moon, but some were keeping it only once each month/moon. It is common knowledge most people use the calendar of today but when Philo made the very same statement, the weeks and holy Sabbath days were by the moon, that too was common knowledge.

              When Philo made the statement that "some states keep the Holy Sabbath/festival only once a month/moon counting from the new moon" and follows up by saying they keep every Sabbath day after six days does not mean that he did not count for the holy Sabbath/festival in the same way that the people that kept it only once a month/moon did i.e. from the new moon.
              The same thing applies to you if you said that some people keep the holy Sabbath/Saturday only once a month by the calendar but you keep every Sabbath after six workdays. (That doesn’t mean that you counted a different way or had a different calendar than they)

              I know a Baptist Church that has service every third Sunday counting on the today's calendar and I know another Baptist church that keeps every Sunday after six workdays are we to suppose that there are not counting by the same calendar?

              Philo used the word intervals and we know that there are approximately 12 monthly "intervals" each year and each month has four Sabbaths with "intervals" of six work days between each with a Sabbath at the end of each and Philo kept every one of them not only one per moon. Speaking of intervals,
               
              Philo in The Special Laws 1. (178) speaking of "intervals" or after six work day “lunar” intervals, Philo writes,

              (178)…”there is one principle of reason by which the moon waxes and wanes in equal “intervals”, both as it increases and diminishes in illumination; the seven lambs because it receives the perfect shapes in periods of seven days—the half-moon in the first seven day period “after” its conjunction with the sun, full moon in the second; and when it makes its return again, the first is to half-moon, then it ceases at its conjunction with the sun.

              If you would stop and think for a minute, how that Philo acknowledges that some states were finding the sacred holy Sabbath by counting from the new moon but was keeping it "only once" every moon/month. In reality Philo would have said "Some states keep the holy Sabbath only once per "moon" or "new moon", I don't believe he used the word "month" which proves that the weekly Sabbaths were by the moon, i.e. some kept only ONE of the HOLY Sabbath each MOON/month and some kept all 4 of them each moon regularly after six work days. At least you will have to acknowledge that some people were keeping the Holy Sabbaths by the moon, (not month) or they kept at least one of the Holy Sabbaths each moon/month.

               As for now allow me to continue in Philo’s writings:
               
              ALLEGORICAL INTERPRETATION, 1 IV (8)
               
              ”Again, the periodical changes of the moon, take place according to the number seven, that star having the greatest sympathy with the things on earth. And the changes which the moon works in the air, it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations on each “seventh day”. At all events, all mortal things, as I have said before, drawing their more divine nature from the heaven, are moved in a manner which tends to their preservation in accordance with this number seven. … Accordingly, on the seventh day, God caused to rest from all his works which he had made."…
               
              Notice he said, “And the changes which the moon works in the air, it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations on eachseventh day”, instead of “it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations every seven days. There is a difference in the phrase on each seventh day and every seven days.
              Almost all scholars agree that the primal seven-day calendar - as used among very ancient Semites - was based upon the Moon. Furthermore, this unique weekly cycle appears to have been observed in orientation to the lunar-phase. An example of the early week, based upon the phases of the moon, is described on the Fifth Tablet of the Semitic Story of the Creation 12-18. Note that the moon is said to "make known the days" and its horns "the seasons", creating the Sabbath on the 7th and 14th (midmonthly) days of the lunar month:
               
              The dark of the moon would be the new moon day/days before the horns creating the Sabbath on the 7th which would be the 8th if new moon day was counted.  Here's the quote,
              "[The moon] he caused to shine, ruling the night:
              He set him then as a creature of the night, to make known the days.
              Monthly unfailing, he provided him with a tiara.
              At the beginning of the month then, appearing in the land,
              The horns shine forth to make known the seasons.
              On the seventh day “the tiara perfecting,”
              A sa[bath] shalt thou then encounter, mid-[month]ly." - (From
              Hastings, on Sabbath:Babylonian) .
               
               
              Notice On the seventh day “the tiara perfecting,”  and what Philo said, “it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations on eachseventh day” i.e. on each Sabbath or each Seventh day the moon perfect chiefly in accordance with its own configurations.  The seventh day spoken of here has to be “a lunar Sabbath day” because any count of one through seven over and over without paying attention to the new moon will not affect the moon’s configuration; it must be a Seventh day that is counted from the new moon each month, and the phrase “on each seventh day” has to be referring to lunar Seventh days, and not a carnal count of one through seven.  So Philo has to be referring to lunar Seventh days that are counted from the new moon. i.e. you have a seventh day configuration on the eighth day of the moon, counting from the new moon, you have a full moon configuration on the 15th day of the moon which is another Seventh day counting from the last Seventh day and another waning configuration on the 22nd day of the moon which is also a lunar Seventh day counting from the last Seventh day and so forth.
               
              The bottom line is that the perfecting of the configurations of the moon on each seventh day is tied to the moon.  If you were to count one through seven through the next month/moon, without starting the count over again on the new moon, the configurations will drift off of the seventh day or vice versa, therefore the Seventh day has to have a beginning point and it is found by the new moon, i.e. the seventh day spoken of by Philo cannot go from one new moon to another without starting the count over again each month or else the configurations of the moon will not line up with the Seventh day.
              Had a Hebrew speaking Jew wrote this he would have said “it perfects chiefly in accordance with its own configurations on each “Sabbath” day” instead of each “seventh” day because elsewhere in his writings, Philo identifies that when he mentions the seventh day he is speaking of the Sabbath day. Above, he tells us that the moon perfects its own configurations on each seventh day. It was understood, that at the end each period of six work days there would be a weekly Sabbath or weekly Seventh day. The Greek speaking Jews referred to the Sabbath as the seventh day or the sacred seventh day, while in the language of the Hebrews it was termed Shabbat, or the Sabbath.  At any rate the phrase, “on each seventh day”, CANNOT be taken away from or divorced from the moon phases, i.e. these seventh days spoken of by Philo, must remain with the phases of the moon and they have a starting point in heaven and you do not have to depend on some man organization telling you when to start the count for the seventh day.
               Continuing on with Philo:
               
              THE DECALOGUE XXX (159)

              ”But to the seventh day of the week he has assigned the greatest festivals, those of the longest duration, at the periods of the equinox both vernal and autumnal and autumnal in each year; appointing two festivals for these two epochs, each lasting seven days; the one which takes place in the spring being for the perfection of what is being sown, and the one which falls in autumn being a feast of thanksgiving for the bringing home of all the fruits which the trees have produced”…

              Let’s look carefully at what Philo is saying. But to the seventh day of the week He has assigned the greatest festivals, in other words the greatest (longest) festivals have been assigned to the seventh day of the week (15th Sabbath) which begins the Festival and lasts for seven days. We know both of these seven day feasts begin on the 15th (Sabbath). Each of them lasts for seven days, and each one of these events were assigned to the seventh day of the week (15th) or weekly Sabbath to begin the Feast and it lasted seven days. Philo goes on to say that each month (1st and 7th) should receive an especial honor of one sacred day of festival, for the purpose of refreshing and clearing the mind with its holiday.
               
              Notice he did not say they would receive two holydays of festivals, but one, the 15th. To prove the seventh day of the week is the same as the 15th, elsewhere Philo states, "Again the beginning of this feast is appointed for the fifteenth day of the month (or seventh day of the week) on account of the reason which has already been mentioned respecting the Spring season might receive special honor of one sacred day of festival."

              In other words, Philo is saying the weekly Sabbath begins these feasts, and is on the 15th. This proves the Sabbaths by the lunar calendar because there is no way the weekly Sabbath (15th) can begin these two festivals on the 15th in the 1st and 7th month each year, on a continuous seven day cycle by the calendar of today. Let’s continue:
               
              F.H. Colson’s translation of THE DECALOGUE XXX (159) reads,

              ”The fourth, which treats of the seventh day, must be regarded as nothing less than a gathering under one "head" of the feasts and the purifications ordained for each feasts, the proper lustrations and the acceptable prayers and flawless sacrifices with which the ritual was carried out. By the seventh I mean both the seventh which "includes" the most creative of numbers, six, and that which does "not include" it but takes precedence of "it" and "resembles" the unit. "Both" these are employed by Him in reckoning the feast-times.” (Colson’s translation of Philo.)

              What can be plainer than that? Let's analyze it. "The fourth, which treats of the seventh day, must be regarded as nothing less than a gathering under one "head" of the feasts." How can the weekly Sabbath day be regarded as a gathering under one head of the feasts unless it heads these feast i.e. begins them each year. This proves Lunar Sabbaths. Philo continues by saying,
              “by the seventh I mean “both” the seventh which "includes" the most creative of numbers, six, and that which does "not include" it but takes precedence of it and "resembles" the unit." The word precedence means it comes before the number six during the feasts, i.e. one of the two sevenths days comes before the number six during the 7 day feast, i.e. the 15th, and the other seventh comes after the number six during the 7 day feast and is combined with it, i.e.the seventh day of the feast. This is impossible if he used the count for the Sabbath as the people of today.
               
              The word precedence also has a footnote that has the actual Greek word and states, "the verb, derived from the adverb ……., seem to be used as a thing which gets in front of something else and obscures it so here the idea may be that the unit or monad does not need six to make it equivalent to seven." (Spec. Leg. Iv.52).
               
              The reason that the unit or monad does not need six to make it equivalent to seven, is because it is 7.

              One of the two sevenths mentioned by Philo, don’t come after the number six, during the feast, but comes BEFORE it and is the weekly seventh  remember he said, “to the weekly seventh day he has assigned these feasts”. The footnote that says "…here the idea may be that the unit or monad does not need six to make it equivalent to seven…" This is because this single unit or monad does not need six to make it equivalent to seven because it is a seventh and both Yonge's and Colson’s translation says it is made to resemble the unit/first or number one.
              Last but not least it says, "Both” these are "employed" by Him in reckoning the feast-“times." You cannot reckon feast-times with a seventh that jumps around during the 7 day feast, on a man-made calendar. Both the sevens have to be fixed not just the one that is on the 21st because He employed both sevens in reckoning the feast-times. i.e. the one that comes after the number six and the one that don’t come after the number six but comes before it.
               
               If one of the sevenths could move it would also fall on the 21st at times and would also be combined with the number six and there would be only one seventh then. I could go on and on with quotations from Philo, but anyone can call me at 770.483.8542 if you’d like to discuss this matter further. To close we will place the facts from Philo from both the Yonge and Colson translations.

              FACT #1: Both translation state that the full moon is at the end of the second week which has been argued that the weeks have nothing to do with the moon.
              FACT #2: They both state that the full moon is on the 15th.
              FACT #3: They both teach that the 15th begins both of the 7-day feasts/festivals each year, which is the same 15th/full moon that is at the end of the second week. (This is impossible with the Roman calendar)

              The question is, could this same 15th be the weekly seventh day that the festivals are assigned to? He says both of these festivals has been assigned to the seventh day of the week, yes it is the 15th that is at the end of the second week and it is the 7th day of the lunar week and the same seventh day that begins theses feasts. They were keeping lunar weeks, and that is why the Greek speaking Jews and the Hebrew speaking Jews were at Pentecost at the same time. let’s examine fact number four and see.

              FACT #4: Both translations conclusively teach that they are two sevenths in each of these festivals and both are connected in some way with the number six.
              When Philo states that there are two sevenths in both the festival of unleavened bread and the festival of booths is he somehow missing the point Saturday sabbatarians would bring up today - that there is a third seventh that will hit in between the 15th and the 21st the majority of years that the feasts come around? Why does Philo not mention this third seventh? It is because none exists. Philo only mention two sevenths in relation to the feast and the first of these two sevenths is none other than the weekly seventh day Sabbath of the 4th commandment that leads the feasts and is considered the first day of the feast - the 15th. 

               
               
              Does Philo mention the Sabbaths in connection with the waxing and waning of the moon?
               
               
              On page 17 of Ralph Marcus' translation of Philo’s work entitled “Questions and Answers, Exodus, Book 1”: in says,
                 “9. (Ex. xii. 6a) Why does He command (them) to keep the sacrifice until the fourteenth (day of the month)?
                 (Consisting of) two Sabbaths, it has in its nature a (special) honour because in this time the moon is adorned. For when it has become full on the fourteenth (day), it becomes full of light in the perception of the people. And again through (another) fourteen (days) it recedes from its fullness of light to its conjunction, and it wanes as much in comparison with the preceding Sabbath as the second (waxes) in comparison with the first. For this reason the fourteenth (day) is pre-festive, as though (it were) a road leading to festive rejoicings, during which it is incumbent upon us to meditate”.
               
              The above 14 days of waxing and 14 days of waning is only 28 days and is not counting the new moon day, but if the new moon were counted the 14th would then be the 15th

               
               
              In my book of Philo on pg. 15, On The Creation, ch, 34, (101) it tells about the # 7, and the moon, quote:

              "XXXIV. (101) Among the things then which are perceptible only by intellect, the number seven is proved to be the only thing free from motion and accident; but among things perceptible by the external senses, it displays a great and comprehensive power, contributing to the improvement of all terrestrial things, and affecting even the periodical changes of the moon. And in what manner it does this, we must consider. The number seven when compounded of numbers beginning with the unit, makes EIGHT-AND-TWENTY, a perfect number, and one equalised in its parts. And the number so produced, is calculated to reproduce the revolutions of the moon, bringing her back to the point from which she first began to increase in a manner perceptible by the external senses, and to which she returns by waning. For she increases from her first crescent-shaped figure, to that of a HALF CIRCLE in seven days; and in seven more, she becomes a FULL ORB; and then again she turns back, retracing the same path, like a runner of the diaulos, receding from an orb full of light, to a half circle again in seven days, and lastly, in an equal number she diminishes from a half circle to the form of a crescent; and thus the number before mentioned is completed."
               
               
              Notice again, there are only 28 days mention here, which would represent the four weeks, because four-time seven is 28, and proves that the new moon day is not counted when counting weeks, and Philo lists the new moon day as a feast all by its self, and is not counted in the making up of the week.
               
              According to Philo, The counting for the weeks began from her first crescent shaped figure, to that of a half circle in seven days, which proves the dark moon, or new moon, was not counted in the 28 days, or the four weeks. The same is true in the scriptures.
               
              When the Sabbath was made known to Moses, it was at the end of the second week, which was a full moon, same as in the writings of Philo.
               
              This is found in the 16th chapter of Exodus.
               
               
              There is no where in the book of Philo that refers to any other week other than by the moon. This proves that they were reckoning time by the moon and at the end of the second week, which would be the seventh day of the week, and also a full moon, which is in perfect harmony with the scriptures.
               
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              Shalom again Brother Arnold! You have stated in your previous message: Philo and lunar Sabbaths- Philo the Jew kept lunar Sabbaths Here is an “eyewitness”
              Message 6 of 7 , Dec 18, 2006
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                Shalom again Brother Arnold!
                 
                You have stated in your previous message:
                 
                "Philo and lunar Sabbaths- Philo the Jew kept lunar Sabbaths
                Here is an “eyewitness” account as to how The “Savior” and the “Jews” kept the weeks and 7th day of the week, and it is NOT the way it is being done today.
                 
                People accept the scripture where it says that they would “forget” His name for Ball/lord but won’t accept where the scripture says that He would destroy their Sanctuary and cause His Sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion Lamentation 2:6. Yes the Name AND Sabbath were both forgotten and are now being restored to those that are willing to listen".

                 

                IF really BOTH The Savior AND the Jews kept weeks and 7th day of the week in the SAME TRUE Way, WHY would YAHWEH destroy their Sanctuary and cause HIS Sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion, according to Lamentation 2:6?

                 

                Remember, The Sanctuary (House, Temple of YAHWEH) in Yerusalem was destroyed in 70 C.E., and YAHSHUA died in 30 C.E., and Philo lived until 50 C.E. (according to your statement).

                 

                Are you pehaps inferring that the Jews changed such SAME TRUE Way (as The MessiYah's), from 50 C.E. to 70 C.E.? ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE, AND THERE IS NO PROOF OF THAT!

                 

                Actually, the Jews were WRONG long time BEFORE The Savior came, having forgotten YAHWEH's Name for Baal (Lord), and changed the TRUE Way to keep HIS Sabbaths (and also HIS New Moons) from the time they came back from the Babylonian captivity, having adopted traditions of men, and pagan customs, as they had done many times before, during the Ages, and YAHWEH had rebuked them for that many times, through HIS Prophets!

                 

                That was one of the reasons WHY The Savior and MessiYah came, and rebuked them. for having forgotten YAHWEH's Name for Baal (Lord), and/or avoiding to pronounce YAHWEH's Name, and left YAHWEH's Commandments (Law) for their traditions of men, and pagan customs (see Mattithyah / Matthew chapter 23)!

                 

                And The Sanctuary (House, Temple of YAHWEH) was destroyed within the Generation (40 years) AFTER YAHSHUA's Death, and Resurrection, having them even rejected YAHWEH's Son, and Messiah!  

                 

                May our Creator and Father YAHWEH Bless your and our Insight of HIS Will and Word, The TRUTH!
                 
                True Love in HIS Beloved Son and our Savior, YAHSHUA MESSIYAH,
                 
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                Shalom again Brother Arnold! Continuing my Comments on your message, I find other contradictions in your statements. You claim, Not once did Philo mention
                Message 7 of 7 , Dec 19, 2006
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                  Shalom again Brother Arnold!
                   
                  Continuing my Comments on your message, I find other contradictions in your statements.
                   
                  You claim, "Not once did Philo mention another week other than the "lunar" cycle in determining the Sabbath day".
                   
                  MY COMMENT: Actually he did NOT mention any "lunar" cycle in determining the Sabbath Day, but only the lunar cycle in determining the New Moon, the beginning of the Month, and the Days of the Month.
                   
                  You claim, "In fact, the word "Saturday or Saturn’s day" isn’t mentioned even “once” in Philo’s entire book".
                   
                  MY COMMENT: Actually the word "Saturday" or "Saturn's day" is a modern English word. How could Philo mention it? He would have only said "Shabbat" (Sabbath) or "Seventh Day", just as we do now. The WRONG (pagan) word "Saturday" to name the Seventh Day, just as the other WRONG (pagan) words to name the other Days of the Week, are only used in this WRONG (pagan) world. 
                   
                  You claim, after quoting an excerpt from Philo's writings, "Please let what Philo just said sink in. His readers and fellow Jews of that era or in those days understand that the weeks were by the moon, and that at the end of the second week they would be a full moon. This statement needs no interpretation".
                   
                  MY COMMENT: Yes, of course, because Philo is referring that at the end of the second week OF THE MONTH (that is, at the end of the 14th Day of the Month) there would be a Full Moon (that is, on the 15th Day of the Month), since the Month begins with the New Moon (Conjunction and/or Crescent). There is NO WHATSOEVER mention there of a weekly Sabbath!
                   
                  You claim, "When Philo spoke of the 10th or 15th day of the month, he was counting the new moon day in his count, but it is an absolute that when he counted out the week, he did not count the new moon, which in itself proves lunar weeks".
                   
                  MY COMMENT: What??? Wait a moment, how such weeks would be "lunar", if they would not start from the First Day of the Moon (New Moon), but from the Second Day of the Month, and the New Moon would be counted in the Days of the Month, but it would be NOT counted in the Days of the Week?!?
                   
                  All such NO SENSE is only because a Lunar Month is NOT 28 Days long, but 30 Days long (including the New Moon), and you cannot exactly split it in Weeks.
                   
                  But also with such your way, there is an EXTRA Day at the end of each Month (NOT including the New Moon), and you are forced to keep TWISTING Two Days New Moons, or UNSCRIPTURAL Double Sabbaths, at the end of the Month, trying to match with the coming New Month!?!  
                   
                  May our Creator and Father YAHWEH Bless your Insight of HIS Will and Word, The TRUTH!
                   
                  True Love in HIS Beloved Son, and our Savior YAHSHUA MESSIYAH,
                   
                  Carlo Tognoni
                   
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