Re: [TheTrueSabbathsAndNewMoons] Day Issue
- In Matthew 27:57 the Greek word for "EVEN" can and should be understood
as after 12 o'clock noon or LATE IN THE DAY instead of the evening/dark
that ENDS the day. Here's the definition, Strong's Greek Dictionary
????? opsios op'-see-os
from 3796; late; feminine (as noun) AFTERNOON (early eve) or nightfall
(later eve):--even(-ing, (-tide)).
See Greek 3796
Strong's Greek Dictionary
??? opse op-seh'
from the same as 3694 (through the idea of backwardness); (adverbially)
LATE IN THE DAY; by extension, after the close of the day:--(at) even,
in the end.
See Greek 3694
The killing of the Passover is on the 14th BETWEEN THE EVENINGS and the
eating of the Passover in that night with unleavened bread which is
actually the beginning of the 15th. I can see how you would think that
night is the 14th but that is not the way they reckoned time.
Mr 14:12 which says, "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they
killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, WHERE WILT THOU THAT
WE GO AND PREPARE THAT THOU MAYEST EAT THE PASSOVER?
We know from Torah that the Passover is not killed on the first day of
unleavened. The Greek word "FIRST" should be translated "BEFORE" the
first day of unleavened bread, and that's when they started getting
ready to kill the Passover which is killed on the 14th "BETWEEN" the
evenings. They sat down that evening that ended=2
0the 13th and beginning
of the 14th, which is on the day that the lambs are killed and is the
beginning of the 24-hour day that the lamb is killed in. He was
crucified on the same 14th that the lambs are slain in, only at the
light portion of the 24-hour day between the evenings.
They also ate LEAVENED bread at the last supper meal instead of
unleavened bread which shows that it was a mere supper and not the
Passover. There are two totally different Greek words for UNLEAVENED
BREAD and LEAVENED BREAD and the Greek word for LEAVENED bread is used
at the supper. They also pulled their shoes off instead of having their
shoes on according to Torah and they went out of their house which also
is against Torah etc. and all of this was "BEFORE" the Passover as John
John 13:1 - 2 clearly teaches that it was "BEFORE" the feast of the
Passover and supper being ENDED when Judas went out to betray him and
they thought he was going to buy something for the feast, which also
proves the feast of Passover had not began yet or they would not have
said, BEFORE the feast of the Passover AND THE SUPPER WAS ENDED. Now if
this clearly shows that they ate the last supper BEFORE the real
Passover meal, and the last supper was not the feast of the Passover or
unleavened bread. Pay close attention that supper was ended and it was
still BEFORE the Passover. I stand by my original po
Brother Arnold www.lunarsabbath.info
From: BYT YHWH <bytyhwh@...>
Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: [TheTrueSabbathsAndNewMoons] Day Issue
as usual, your theories are Scripturally not correct, and not
conclusive, just as your other so-called "proofs" that you have
presented, that are only your own interpretations.
The expression "THE NEXT DAY, THAT FOLLOWED THE DAY OF PREPARATION"
(MATTITHYAH / MATTHEW 27:62) follows the time of YHWSU (Yahshua)'s
Burial, that occurred "WHEN THE EVEN WAS COME" (MATTITHYAH / MATTHEW
So that is very clear and evident that Verse 62 above is speaking
of THE DAY AFTER, otherwise, if it occurred THAT SAME EVENING, it would
have simply said, "THAT EVEN", just as Verse 57 above says for the time
when Yahseph asked Pilate for the body of YHWSU (Yahshua) to be Buried.
Also, it is clear and evident that the Yahdaim (Jews) did NOT plan to
do so, otherwise they would have asked for it BEFORE, or just after
YHWSU (Yahshua)'s Death, even offering a Sepulchre where to put His
body, so that they could control it.
On the contrary, The Scriptures say in MATTITHYAH (MATTHEW) 27:62-66 -
62 Now the next Day, that followed the Day of the Preparation, t
chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet
alive, After three days I will rise again.
64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third
day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto
the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse
than the first.
65 Pilate said to them, You have a watch: go your way, make it as
sure as you can.
66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and
setting a watch.
That was something that they REMEMBERED, and then they asked Pilate to
do, and NOT something that they PLANNED IN ADVANCE to do, otherwise
they would have asked him BEFORE.
Anyway, "THE NEXT DAY, THAT FOLLOWED THE DAY OF PREPARATION", they went
to Pilate, REMEMBERING that YHWSU (Yahshua) said, "AFTER THREE DAYS I
WILL RAISE AGAIN", and asking Pilate to set a seal, and a watch at
YHWSU (Yahshua)'s Sepulchre.
Because of your (ERRONEUS) belief that a DAY is NOT ONLY 12 Hours of
Light (just as YHWSU / Yahshua clearly said in YAHCHANAN / JOHN
11:9-10), but ALSO 24 Hours of Darkness AND Light, from Sunset/Evening
to Sunset/Evening (ALWAYS beginning at Sunset/Evening, and NEVER
beginning at Dawn/Morning), then you are inferring that "THE DAY AFTER"
indicated20in Verse 62 above, would be FROM THE SAME EVENING when YHWSU
(Yahshua) was Buried, and that the Yahdaim (Jews) went to Pilate THAT
SAME EVENING, just after YHWSU (Yahshua) was Buried.
We read that the main sects among the Yahdaim (Jews) had to keep their
Passover YET (that, instead, YHWSU / Yahshua and His Disciples
CORRECTLY Kept the EVENING and NIGHT BEFORE, at the "Last Supper"),
when they led YHWSU (Yahshua) to Pilate's house (the judgment
hall), THAT WAS VERY EARLY (i.e. , AT THE BEGINNING of the DAY, in the
"Morning" / "Dawn", and certainly NOT in the "Evening" / "Dusk").
YAHCHANAN (JOHN) 18:28 -
18 Then led they YHWSU (Yahshua) from Caiaphas unto the hall of
judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the
judgment hall (i.e. Pilate's house), lest they should be defiled; but
that they might eat the Passover.
So that when YHWSU (Yahshua) was Killed (in the Afternoon, about 3:00
p.m., that is, the 9th Hour of the DAY), the main sects among the
Yahdaim (Jews) were killing their Passover lambs, and when YHWSU
(Yahshua) was Buried (in the Evening, at the END of the Day), they
were roasting, and then eating their Passover lambs.
Instead, you are saying that, on the late Evening, and Night when they
were keeping their Passover - that, according to your (ERRONEOUS)
theories, would be ALSO
the beginning of the Seventh Day SABBATH, and
ALSO of the Annual SABBATH of the 15th Day of the 1st Month (Abib)! -
they would have gone to Pilate, remembering that YHWSU (Yahshua) said
to Rise again after Three Days, and asking Pilate to set a seal, and
a watch at YHWSU (Yahshua)'s Sepulchre, and then themselves would have
gone to do it, THAT SAME EVENING AND NIGHT, setting a seal, and a watch
at YHWSU (Yahshua)'s Sepulchre, on the Evening and Night of their
Passover, and Seventh Day Sabbath, and Annual Sabbath!?!
Your (ERRONEOUS) theory is based ALSO on the assumption that, by
setting a seal and a watch THAT SAME EVENING AND NIGHT, they would not
let YHWSU (Yahshua)'s Disciples to steal away His dead body by Night,
and so saying that He was Risen from the dead.
On the contrary, it is pretty sure that "THE NEXT DAY, THAT FOLLOWED
THE PREPARATION DAY", the Yahdaim (Jews) went to YHWSU (Yahshua)'s
Sepulchre, to check it BEFORE to go to Pilate, to ask him for a seal
and a watch to be set at YHWSU (Yahshua)'s Sepulchre.
Then, in conclusion, as usual your theories, trying to infer that the
DAY is ALSO a 24 Hours of Darkness AND Light, from Sunset/Evening to
Sunset/Evening (ALWAYS beginning at Sunset/Evening, and NEVER beginning
at Dawn/Morning), and NOT ONLY 12 Hours of Light (just as YHWSU
(Yahshua) said in YAHCHANAN
/ JOHN 11:9-10), are Scripturally not
correct, and not conclusive, just as your other so-called "proofs" that
you have presented, that are only your own interpretations.
May YHWH (Yahweh) Bless our Insight of HIS Will and Word, THE TRUTH!
In The Name of YHWSU (Yahshua), The TRUE MashiYah (MessiYah),
The Community of Yahweh of The Disciples of Yahshua
From: "YHWHPeople@..." <YHWHPeople@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:30:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TheTrueSabbathsAndNewMoons] Day Issue
The following shows the phrase "NEXT DAY” referring to night/evening.
If the burial of the Messiah was on the 14th, the day beginning at
sunrise proponents, will have a NIGHT that he WAS NOT GUARDED because
according to the sunrise theory the 14th day begins at sunrise and He
dies around 3:00 PM on the 14th and was buried just before dark and if
the NEXT DAY that followed the preparation when they came to Pilate
requesting the tomb to be sealed and guarded was sunrise, this leaves a
whole night for someone to steal
him before they placed the watch and
sealed the stone the next day. But if the next day began at
evening/dark and they came to Pilate as soon as the NEXT DAY began at
evening/night, then he would have been guarded all three nights not
leaving room for anyone to steal him the first night.
Here are the Scriptures,
Mt 27:62 Now the "NEXT DAY", THAT FOLLOWED THE DAY OF THE PREPARATION,
the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
Mt 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was
yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
Mt 27:64 COMMAND THEREFORE THAT THE SEPULCHER BE MADE SURE UNTIL THE
THIRD DAY, lest his disciples come by "NIGHT", and steal him away, and
say unto the people, HE IS RISEN FROM THE DEAD: so the last error shall
be worse than the first.
Mt 27:65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it
as sure as ye can.
Mt 27:66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, SEALING THE STONE,
and setting a watch.
The concern was that someone would steal him at NIGHT and say that he
rose from the dead. It's not likely they sealed the stone and set the
watch the second night, after one night had already gone by. They
wanted the grave seal and a watch set UNTIL the third day was over.
The majority of the commotion and concern of someone stealing him would
have been stronger on the first night when everyone was excited and
outraged at what h
ad happened. This means that the NEXT DAY that
followed the preparation was the 15th and it began that night and
that's when they went to Pilate for permission to seal the grave until
the third day and it was called THE NEXT DAY.
I realize this is not as conclusive as the other proofs I presented but
this shows that the next day that followed the preparation began at
night or else he would have been unguarded the first night.
Brother Arnold www.lunarsabbath. info
- "Garfield",as a matter of Historic Fact, at the time the "Gospel" of YAHCHANAN (JOHN) was written - about 90 C.E., in Ephesus, a Roman Province - the Roman Civil Time was from Midnight to Midnight, with Ante Meridiem (A.M.) and Post Meridiem (P.M.) Hours.So it does MATTER to speak about A.M. and P.M.!"About the Sixth Hour" was about 6:00 a.m. / 7:00 a.m. - that is, Six Hours BEFORE MidDay (Noon), or Six Hours AFTER MidNight.May YHWH (Yahweh) Bless our Insight of HIS Will and Word, THE TRUTH!In The Name of YHWSU (Yahshua), The TRUE MashiYah (MessiYah),Carlo TognoniBYT YHWHThe Community of Yahweh of The Disciples of Yahshua===========================================================
From: GARFIELD <yhwhone@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:53:59 AM
Subject: [TheTrueSabbathsAndNewMoons] Re: Christ was NOT crucified on Abib 14th, NOR on Abib 15th...Here's why!Hello!In my previous post, I wrote:Now let's see if or not the 'sixth hour' of John 19:14 is Roman time.Some claim that Roman clock begins at midnight(12 AM).So they believe the 'sixth hour' of John 19:14 is about 6 AM in the morning.The reason I put '12 AM' there is that 'midnight' means 12 o'clock at nightjust for convenience.After that post, 2 posts appeared explaining 'AM' means BLAH..BLAH..NO AM/PM is used throughout the Bible. That's why I added "AM/PM is notin question" two times.Here and now we discuss 'the hours', not 'AM/PM' in the Bible and other sources.garfield