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  • YHWHPeople@aol.com
    In Matthew 27:57 the Greek word for EVEN can and should be understood as after 12 o clock noon or LATE IN THE DAY instead of the evening/dark that ENDS the
    Message 1 of 99 , Dec 1, 2008
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      In Matthew 27:57 the Greek word for "EVEN" can and should be understood
      as after 12 o'clock noon or LATE IN THE DAY instead of the evening/dark
      that ENDS the day. Here's the definition, Strong's Greek Dictionary
      3798. opsios

      ????? opsios op'-see-os
      from 3796; late; feminine (as noun) AFTERNOON (early eve) or nightfall
      (later eve):--even(-ing, (-tide)).
      See Greek 3796

      Strong's Greek Dictionary
      3796. opse

      ??? opse op-seh'
      from the same as 3694 (through the idea of backwardness); (adverbially)
      LATE IN THE DAY; by extension, after the close of the day:--(at) even,
      in the end.
      See Greek 3694

      The killing of the Passover is on the 14th BETWEEN THE EVENINGS and the
      eating of the Passover in that night with unleavened bread which is
      actually the beginning of the 15th. I can see how you would think that
      night is the 14th but that is not the way they reckoned time.

      Mr 14:12 which says, "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they
      killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, WHERE WILT THOU THAT
      WE GO AND PREPARE THAT THOU MAYEST EAT THE PASSOVER?


      We know from Torah that the Passover is not killed on the first day of
      unleavened. The Greek word "FIRST" should be translated "BEFORE" the
      first day of unleavened bread, and that's when they started getting
      ready to kill the Passover which is killed on the 14th "BETWEEN" the
      evenings. They sat down that evening that ended=2
      0the 13th and beginning
      of the 14th, which is on the day that the lambs are killed and is the
      beginning of the 24-hour day that the lamb is killed in. He was
      crucified on the same 14th that the lambs are slain in, only at the
      light portion of the 24-hour day between the evenings.

      They also ate LEAVENED bread at the last supper meal instead of
      unleavened bread which shows that it was a mere supper and not the
      Passover. There are two totally different Greek words for UNLEAVENED
      BREAD and LEAVENED BREAD and the Greek word for LEAVENED bread is used
      at the supper. They also pulled their shoes off instead of having their
      shoes on according to Torah and they went out of their house which also
      is against Torah etc. and all of this was "BEFORE" the Passover as John
      13:1 teaches.

      John 13:1 - 2 clearly teaches that it was "BEFORE" the feast of the
      Passover and supper being ENDED when Judas went out to betray him and
      they thought he was going to buy something for the feast, which also
      proves the feast of Passover had not began yet or they would not have
      said, BEFORE the feast of the Passover AND THE SUPPER WAS ENDED. Now if
      this clearly shows that they ate the last supper BEFORE the real
      Passover meal, and the last supper was not the feast of the Passover or
      unleavened bread. Pay close attention that supper was ended and it was
      still BEFORE the Passover. I stand by my original po
      st.



      Brother Arnold www.lunarsabbath.info


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      From: BYT YHWH <bytyhwh@...>
      To: TheTrueSabbathsAndNewMoons@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 8:31 pm
      Subject: Re: [TheTrueSabbathsAndNewMoons] Day Issue









      Arnold,


       

      as usual, your theories are Scripturally not correct, and not
      conclusive, just as your other so-called "proofs" that you have
      presented, that are only your own interpretations.

       

      The expression "THE NEXT DAY, THAT FOLLOWED THE DAY OF PREPARATION"
      (MATTITHYAH / MATTHEW 27:62) follows the time of YHWSU (Yahshua)'s
      Burial, that occurred "WHEN THE EVEN WAS COME" (MATTITHYAH / MATTHEW
      27:57).

       

      So that is very clear and evident that Verse 62 above is speaking
      of THE DAY AFTER, otherwise, if it occurred THAT SAME EVENING, it would
      have simply said, "THAT EVEN", just as Verse 57 above says for the time
      when Yahseph asked Pilate for the body of YHWSU (Yahshua) to be Buried.

       

      Also, it is clear and evident that the Yahdaim (Jews) did NOT plan to
      do so, otherwise they would have asked for it BEFORE, or just after
      YHWSU (Yahshua)'s Death, even offering a Sepulchre where to put His
      body, so that they could control it.

       

      On the contrary, The Scriptures say in MATTITHYAH (MATTHEW) 27:62-66 -

       62 Now the next Day, that followed the Day of the Preparation, t
      he
      chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
       63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet
      alive, After three days I will rise again.
       64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third
      day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto
      the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse
      than the first.
       65  Pilate said to them, You have a watch: go your way, make it as
      sure as you can.
       66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and
      setting a watch.

       

      That was something that they REMEMBERED, and then they asked Pilate to
      do, and NOT something that they PLANNED IN ADVANCE to do, otherwise
      they would have asked him BEFORE.

       

      Anyway, "THE NEXT DAY, THAT FOLLOWED THE DAY OF PREPARATION", they went
      to Pilate, REMEMBERING that YHWSU (Yahshua) said, "AFTER THREE DAYS I
      WILL RAISE AGAIN", and asking Pilate to set a seal, and a watch at
      YHWSU (Yahshua)'s Sepulchre.

       

      Because of your (ERRONEUS) belief that a DAY is NOT ONLY 12 Hours of
      Light (just as YHWSU / Yahshua clearly said in YAHCHANAN / JOHN
      11:9-10), but ALSO 24 Hours of Darkness AND Light, from Sunset/Evening
      to Sunset/Evening (ALWAYS beginning at Sunset/Evening, and NEVER
      beginning at Dawn/Morning), then you are inferring that "THE DAY AFTER"
      indicated20in Verse 62 above, would be FROM THE SAME EVENING when YHWSU
      (Yahshua) was Buried, and that the Yahdaim (Jews) went to Pilate THAT
      SAME EVENING, just after YHWSU (Yahshua) was Buried.

       

      We read that the main sects among the Yahdaim (Jews) had to keep their
      Passover YET (that, instead, YHWSU / Yahshua and His Disciples
      CORRECTLY Kept the EVENING and NIGHT BEFORE, at the "Last Supper"),
      when they led YHWSU (Yahshua) to Pilate's house (the judgment
      hall), THAT WAS VERY EARLY (i.e. , AT THE BEGINNING of the DAY, in the
      "Morning" / "Dawn", and certainly NOT in the "Evening" / "Dusk").

       

      YAHCHANAN (JOHN) 18:28 -

       18 Then led they YHWSU (Yahshua) from Caiaphas unto the hall of
      judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the
      judgment hall (i.e. Pilate's house), lest they should be defiled; but
      that they might eat the Passover.

       

      So that when YHWSU (Yahshua) was Killed (in the Afternoon, about 3:00
      p.m., that is, the 9th Hour of the DAY), the main sects among the
      Yahdaim (Jews) were killing their Passover lambs, and when YHWSU
      (Yahshua) was Buried (in the Evening, at the END of the Day), they
      were roasting, and then eating their Passover lambs.

       

      Instead, you are saying that, on the late Evening, and Night when they
      were keeping their Passover - that, according to your (ERRONEOUS)
      theories, would be ALSO
      the beginning of the Seventh Day SABBATH, and
      ALSO of the Annual SABBATH of the 15th Day of the 1st Month (Abib)! -
       they would have gone to Pilate, remembering that YHWSU (Yahshua) said
      to Rise again after Three Days, and asking Pilate to set a seal, and
      a watch at YHWSU (Yahshua)'s Sepulchre, and then themselves would have
      gone to do it, THAT SAME EVENING AND NIGHT, setting a seal, and a watch
      at YHWSU (Yahshua)'s Sepulchre, on the Evening and Night of their
      Passover, and Seventh Day Sabbath, and Annual Sabbath!?!

       

      Your (ERRONEOUS) theory is based ALSO on the assumption that, by
      setting a seal and a watch THAT SAME EVENING AND NIGHT, they would not
      let YHWSU (Yahshua)'s Disciples to steal away His dead body by Night,
      and so saying that He was Risen from the dead.

       

      On the contrary, it is pretty sure that "THE NEXT DAY, THAT FOLLOWED
      THE PREPARATION DAY", the Yahdaim (Jews) went to YHWSU (Yahshua)'s
      Sepulchre, to check it BEFORE to go to Pilate, to ask him for a seal
      and a watch to be set at YHWSU (Yahshua)'s Sepulchre.

       

      Then, in conclusion, as usual your theories, trying to infer that the
      DAY is ALSO a 24 Hours of Darkness AND Light, from Sunset/Evening to
      Sunset/Evening (ALWAYS beginning at Sunset/Evening, and NEVER beginning
      at Dawn/Morning), and NOT ONLY 12 Hours of Light (just as YHWSU
      (Yahshua) said in YAHCHANAN
      / JOHN 11:9-10), are Scripturally not
      correct, and not conclusive, just as your other so-called "proofs" that
      you have presented, that are only your own interpretations. 

       

      May YHWH (Yahweh) Bless our Insight of HIS Will and Word, THE TRUTH!

       

      In The Name of YHWSU (Yahshua), The TRUE MashiYah (MessiYah),

       

      Carlo Tognoni

       

      BYT YHWH

      The Community of Yahweh of The Disciples of Yahshua

      www.byt-yhwh.org

       

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      From: "YHWHPeople@..." <YHWHPeople@...>
      To: TheTrueSabbathsAndNewMoons@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:30:17 PM
      Subject: Re: [TheTrueSabbathsAndNewMoons] Day Issue



      The following shows the phrase "NEXT DAY” referring to night/evening.

      If the burial of the Messiah was on the 14th, the day beginning at
      sunrise proponents, will have a NIGHT that he WAS NOT GUARDED because
      according to the sunrise theory the 14th day begins at sunrise and He
      dies around 3:00 PM on the 14th and was buried just before dark and if
      the NEXT DAY that followed the preparation when they came to Pilate
      requesting the tomb to be sealed and guarded was sunrise, this leaves a
      whole night for someone to steal
      him before they placed the watch and
      sealed the stone the next day. But if the next day began at
      evening/dark and they came to Pilate as soon as the NEXT DAY began at
      evening/night, then he would have been guarded all three nights not
      leaving room for anyone to steal him the first night.

      Here are the Scriptures,

      Mt 27:62 Now the "NEXT DAY", THAT FOLLOWED THE DAY OF THE PREPARATION,
      the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
      Mt 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was
      yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
      Mt 27:64 COMMAND THEREFORE THAT THE SEPULCHER BE MADE SURE UNTIL THE
      THIRD DAY, lest his disciples come by "NIGHT", and steal him away, and
      say unto the people, HE IS RISEN FROM THE DEAD: so the last error shall
      be worse than the first.
      Mt 27:65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it

      as sure as ye can.
      Mt 27:66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, SEALING THE STONE,
      and setting a watch.

      The concern was that someone would steal him at NIGHT and say that he
      rose from the dead. It's not likely they sealed the stone and set the
      watch the second night, after one night had already gone by. They
      wanted the grave seal and a watch set UNTIL the third day was over.

      The majority of the commotion and concern of someone stealing him would
      have been stronger on the first night when everyone was excited and
      outraged at what h
      ad happened. This means that the NEXT DAY that
      followed the preparation was the 15th and it began that night and
      that's when they went to Pilate for permission to seal the grave until
      the third day and it was called THE NEXT DAY.

      I realize this is not as conclusive as the other proofs I presented but
      this shows that the next day that followed the preparation began at
      night or else he would have been unguarded the first night.

      Brother Arnold www.lunarsabbath. info
    • BYT YHWH
      Garfield , as a matter of Historic Fact, at the time the Gospel of YAHCHANAN (JOHN) was written - about 90 C.E., in Ephesus, a Roman Province - the Roman
      Message 99 of 99 , Dec 14, 2008
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        "Garfield",
         
        as a matter of Historic Fact, at the time the "Gospel" of YAHCHANAN (JOHN) was written - about 90 C.E., in Ephesus, a Roman Province - the Roman Civil Time was from Midnight to Midnight, with Ante Meridiem (A.M.) and Post Meridiem (P.M.) Hours.
         
        So it does MATTER to speak about A.M. and P.M.!
         
        "About the Sixth Hour" was about 6:00 a.m. / 7:00 a.m. - that is, Six Hours BEFORE MidDay (Noon), or Six Hours AFTER MidNight.
         
        May YHWH (Yahweh) Bless our Insight of HIS Will and Word, THE TRUTH!
         
        In The Name of YHWSU (Yahshua), The TRUE MashiYah (MessiYah),
         
        Carlo Tognoni
         
        BYT YHWH
        The Community of Yahweh of The Disciples of Yahshua
         
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        From: GARFIELD <yhwhone@...>
        To: TheTrueSabbathsAndNewMoons@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:53:59 AM
        Subject: [TheTrueSabbathsAndNewMoons] Re: Christ was NOT crucified on Abib 14th, NOR on Abib 15th...Here's why!

         
        Hello!
         
         
        In my previous post, I wrote:
         
        Now let's see if or not the 'sixth hour' of John 19:14 is Roman time.
        Some claim that Roman clock begins at midnight(12 AM).
        So they believe the 'sixth hour' of John 19:14 is about 6 AM in the morning.
         
        The reason I put '12 AM' there is that 'midnight' means 12 o'clock at night  
        just for convenience.
         
        After that post, 2 posts appeared explaining 'AM' means BLAH..BLAH..
         
         
        NO AM/PM is used throughout the Bible. That's why I added "AM/PM is not
        in question" two times.
         
        Here and now we discuss 'the hours', not 'AM/PM' in the Bible and other sources.
         
         
        garfield
         
         
         
         
         
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