Re: [TheTrueSabbathsAndNewMoons] The "Lunar Sabbath"
- Shalom Brother Yehochanan,
In your article, 7th Day, you said, Those who want to keep a counting
one through seven over and over again without any respect to the weekly
cycle of six ordinary workdays are breaking the scriptural DEFINITION
of a seventh day rest that we just covered, and the reason is this. The
traditional Sabbath can fall a day or two after the Day of Atonement
and therefore you cannot have a SCRIPTURAL SEVENTH day rest after
working ONLY one day, two days, three days, four days, five days, BUT
you can have a SCRIPTURAL SEVENTH day rest after working SIX days, this
also is an absolute. The only scriptural definition of a seventh day
rest comes after a cycle of six ordinary working days and there's not
ONE place in the Scripture where a seventh day rest ever came after two
or three days of work.
That is a Straw Man argument.
First, we do not consider the Annual Sabbath to be seventh day Sabbaths
unless it happens to land on the seventh day of the week.
Your lunar Sabbath almanac has the same problem that you accuse our
almanac of having. That is, the Day of Atonement occurs on the 10th of
the month, which is only one full day after the conclusion of your
seventh day Sabbath on the 8th. This means that after the seventh day
Sabbath, the 9th of Ethanim is an ordinary working day, and then you
have the Annual Sabbath on the 10th. This breaks up your ordinary
working day cycle of six days as well. Therefore, there are not six
ordinary working days before the Annual Sabbath of Yom Kippur on your
almanac. You contradict yourself and accuse our almanac of having the
same problem that yours has.
Yet, you admit that this is a problem in your article with the
following statement a few paragraphs down from the previous quote: The
Day of ATONEMENT is a day of REST and breaks up the cycle of six
workdays, this is a true irrefutable statement. The Sabbath ALSO breaks
up the cycle of workdays, and this also is an absolute and if you have
a traditional weekly Sabbath fall two or three days after Day of
Atonement it cannot, By Definition or By Case Law Found in Scripture,
be a scriptural seventh day rest.
Now, this is how you explain it. From my reading, it explains nothing:
ARNOLD: How can you have a SEVENTH day rest after only THREE days work?
RESPONSE; YOU CAN’T! that is why the 15th of the 7th moon is not a
scriptural 7th day. Perhaps that is why it is referred to as a
How can a FOURTH day be a scriptural SEVENTH day rest???
RESPONSE; IT CAN’T because it's the fourth day since the commanded rest
on the 10th. And a scriptural 7th day comes after 6 work days.
The Sabbaths/intermissions are kept by COMMAND “not” by COUNT although
you may count and number, it is still by command. The carnal number
seven is not the spirit of the Sabbath/intermission, it directs us
toward it. He uses the MOON to teach or show which days are NOT
workdays, and which days or WORSHIP days and that is the only way
anyone can know for sure when the appointments are and you do not have
to go outside the Scripture to ask anyone when to begin the count for
the seventh day.
From that explanation, it explains how the Annual Sabbath can break up
the week in both almanacs. And your reason is that
Sabbaths/intermissions are kept by COMMAND “not” by COUNT although you
may count and number, it is still by command. So, in your own words, it
is IRREVELANT if the Annual Sabbath breaks up the ordinary workweek of
six days. If it was not, then is means that you would have to reset
your workweek. And in the seventh month, the seventh day Sabbath could
not be on the 15th as it always is. Rather, you ignore that fact that
that annual Sabbath occurs during the ordinary work we--AS WE DO--and
keep the seventh day Sabbath day on the regular scheduled time (the
15th of the month for your and the seventh day of the week for us). So,
in both case, there will always be six days in between seventh day
RESPONSE; He decides which days are Holy worship days, not us. If you
follow the simple instructions in Lev-23, it lays out the whole year as
to worship days and work days. All the New moon days are worship days,
the 10th day in the 7th month is a worship day, and all the 7th days
that come after 6 work days are worship days etc. and this will cause
the weekly Sabbaths to fall on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th of the
months throughout the year.
You may not have noticed, but at the same time, you also explain why
the 15th of Abib (the First Day of Unleavened Bread) the month does not
have to be a seventh day Sabbath since (in your words again)
Sabbaths/intermissions are kept by COMMAND “not” by COUNT although you
may count and number, it is still by command. So, again, the First Day
of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath because the Creator commanded it to be
so, not because it the seventh day of the week.
RESPONSE; unlike the 15th in the 7th month, the 15th in the 1st month
comes after 6 work days and wherefore is a scriptural 7th day.
The Sabbath WORSHIP day breaks up the CYCLE of workdays and is called
the Sabbath/intermission, a day of complete rest. The Day of Atonement
WORSHIP day also breaks up the CYCLE of SIX workdays and it is also
called a Sabbath and is a day of complete rest. The new moon also
breaks up the SIX ordinary workdays by it being a WORSHIP day even
though it is not a day of complete rest as the other two. People don’t
like to admit this because It goes against their tradition but it is
the Fathers doing and not mine.
The Scripture cycle consists of six workdays then rest on the seventh
day and is only interrupted by the Creator of days Himself and only the
Father can changed that which he has set in motion with an exception
such as the Day of Atonement. The new moon is also is a WORSHIP day,
same as the Sabbath and day of Atonement and is NOT one of the six
ordinary workdays and the only difference is it is not a complete rest
and is not called a Sabbath as the Day of Atonement and the seventh day
Hmmm…so an exception is made for the Annual Sabbath in your case. How
RESPONSE, I was not the one that made the exception and the reason it
works for me and not for you is I follow the instructions of Lev-23,
etc. with ought a preconceived traditional Sabbath.
You cannot scriptural count a WORSHIP day as an ordinary work day and
this is why I say it is IMPOSSIBLE for the traditional seven-day count
to work because of the Day of Atonement which is subconsciously counted
as a workday and a worship day at the same time during the same 24-hour
period. This is done by those who keep the Sabbath by a carnal count
instead of by command.
Straw Man argument. We do no such thing. Again, you are doing the same
thing that we do. There is no difference other than the fact that your
reset your weeks each month. Nothing else is different. You calendar is
the same as John Cordero’s and the majority of Messianic Jews except
you reset the weeks each month. If you stop resetting your weeks each
month, you almanac will be the same as the majority. It is the only
difference you have with the others. So, you wrote all of those
articles when there is only one difference--resetting the weeks.
RESPONSE; I am not the one who reset’s the weeks each month. It is
reset because of the new moon WORSHIP day which you count as an
ordinary work day.
You cannot scriptural count a WORSHIP day as an ordinary work day
and this is why I say it is IMPOSSIBLE for the traditional seven-day
count to work because of the Day of Atonement which is subconsciously
counted as a workday and a worship day at the same time during the same
24-hour period. This is done by those who keep the Sabbath by a carnal
count instead of by command.
WRONG! We do not count the Annual Sabbath days as workdays. There are
scriptural exceptions to the command to work a day that we would
ordinarily work on.
RESPONSE; You have it backwards, He is the one that decides the work
days and you have no authority trying to count a Holy day as a work
day. It breaks up the cycle of work days and is not counted as one.
Follow the instructions of Lev-23 without adding to it or taking away
and you will have it.
I faced the same thing when I accepted the 364-day Enochian calendar.
Based on my definitions, it seems to go perfectly with the Torah.
RESPONSE; I would never entertain the thought of a 364-day calendar
when nature its self will not allow it. There are 365 sun sets from
equinox to equinox and the seasons would float off real quick.
Brother Arnold www.lunarsabbath.info