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  • Rinah Shalom
    How Do Jews Obtain Forgiveness Without A Temple or Sacrifices?   Part 1 of 3      This question is asked quite often by Christians who want to understand
    Message 1 of 2 , Mar 3, 2009
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      How Do Jews Obtain Forgiveness Without A Temple or Sacrifices?
       
      Part 1 of 3   
       
      This question is asked quite often by Christians who want to understand the Hebrew faith. It is based, however, on an incorrect assumption. Namely, that every transgression makes one liable for blood atonement and without it, one cannot be "right" with God.
       
      Let's first understand that the Bible relegates blood sacrifices for sin to a very strict set of criteria which rendered them a very rare thing in Temple times. These criteria are as follows:
       
      1) The sin had to be accidental or performed out of ignorance.
      2) The sin had to have been witnessed by at least two qualified witnesses.
      3) The offender had to be wealthy enough to afford an animal to sacrifice, otherwise one would bring an offering of flour.
       
      The sin sacrifice is for the individual that didn't know any better or simply made an honest mistake. The blood sacrifice is only for those wealthy enough to afford it. So what about the individual who knew he was doing wrong and did it anyway? There is no sacrifice for him. He has to break his heart before Yahveh and truly repent of his evil. This is the only way he can be forgiven.
      When King David sent Uriah to be killed in battle so he could take his wife, he knew what he was doing was evil. When the prophet Natan rebuked David he fell down and broke his heart before Yah.
       
      "Then David said to Nathan, I have sinned against the Yahveh. Nathan replied, Yahveh has taken away your sin."  II Samuel 12:13 No sacrifice involved. Just a broken heart that Yah can read like a book. This is Biblical atonement. It's simple and it is not beyond our reach as some would have us believe.


    • Tracy Norton
      Shabáth Shalúm [:)] , In response to your message How Do Jews Obtain Forgiveness 1 : Let s first understand that the Bible relegates blood sacrifices for
      Message 2 of 2 , Mar 14, 2009
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        Shabáth Shalúm :),

         In response to your message "How Do Jews Obtain Forgiveness 1": 

          "Let's first understand that the Bible relegates blood sacrifices for sin to a very strict set of criteria which rendered them a very rare thing in Temple times." ---- Rinah Shalom

          I going tohave to disagree with that statement; because the nation of Yishrael performedblood sacrifices daily while standing in long lines often whenever the Temple was established in Yerushalim.

         "1) The sin had to be accidental or performed out of ignorance." ---- Rinah Shalom

         You fail to mention that a man's sin could also be committed knowingly:

         If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto YAHWEH for a sin offering.   ---- Third Holy Book of Moshe (Leviticus),Chapter 4, verse 3

         "2) The sin had to have been witnessed byat least two qualified witnesses."  ---- Rinah Shalom

         I would think that the priests would take women at their word (without two witnesses) during this sin whenever they come to the Temple to atone for their sins during their monthly menstruation:

         But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And the priest shall offer the one [for] a sin offering, and the other [for] a burnt offering;and the priest shall make an atonement for her before YAHWEH for the issue of her uncleanness.  ---- Third Holy Book of Moshe (Leviticus), Chapter 15, verses 28 – 30

         "3) The offender had to be wealthy enough to afford an animal to sacrifice, otherwise one would bring an offering of flour."  ---- Rinah Shalom

          I see that sinners canbring birds as sin offerings to atone for their sins as it is written in the above verses.

         "The sin sacrifice is for the individual that didn't know any better or simply made an honest mistake."  ---- Rinah Shalom

          However, as we can see from the above verses:  The sin sacrifice is for those who knew what was going on and who (in this case) naturally had not choice in the matter.

         "So what about the individual who knew he was doing wrong and did it anyway? There is no sacrifice for him." ---- Rinah Shalom

         Actually there is a monthly and yearly sacrifice for sinners that sin intentionally:

        "And in the beginnings of your months ye shall offer a burnt offering unto YAHWEH; two young bullocks, and one ram, seven lambs of the first year without spot; And one kid of the goats for a sin offering unto YAHWEH shall be offered, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering". ---- Fourth Holy Book of Moshe (Numbers), Chapter 28, verses 11 & 15

         "Then Dawid said to Nathan, I have sinned against YAHWEH. Nathan replied, YAHWEH has taken away your sin."  ---- II Samuel 12:13 No sacrifice involved."  ---- Rinah Shalom

          Not yet, but in the next monthly sacrifice and/or on the yearly Yum Kipur, King Dawid's sin was atoned for along with the rest of the sins of Yishrael by the priests at the Holy Temple in Yerushalim.

          Shabáth Shalúm,

         Tracy :)

        Obed Yahweh & His Seventh-Day Shabáth

         

        --- In TheTrueCommunity@yahoogroups.com, Rinah Shalom <rinahshal@...> wrote:

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