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  • Terri Lee
    I do Civil War re-enacting and have a wonderful woman make all my hat s. She is a dear and does them exactly the way I wan them, in the colors I want them. You
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      I do Civil War re-enacting and have a wonderful woman
      make all my hat's. She is a dear and does them exactly
      the way I wan them, in the colors I want them. You
      name it she will do it. She also makes hats and
      headwear for the Victorian and Edwardian eras as well.
      I have seen hats she has done for a varity of people
      and eras and she has always done a splendid job. I am
      sure she can help you.
      She can be reached through her web-site at:
      http://www.geocities.com/past_perfect_hats/Past-Perfect.html

      I have found her to be very reasonably priced.- Check
      her out you'll be glad you did.
      Terri

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    • Stephanie Tomasi
      Hi, Thanks for the site URL. I will check it out. ... I do Civil War re-enacting and have a wonderful woman make all my hat s. She
      Message 2 of 9 , Feb 7, 2002
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        Hi,

        Thanks for the site URL. I will check it out.


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        I do Civil War re-enacting and have a wonderful
        woman<BR>
        make all my hat's. She is a dear and does them
        exactly<BR>
        the way I wan them, in the colors I want them. You<BR>
        name it she will do it. She also makes hats and<BR>
        headwear for the Victorian and Edwardian eras as
        well.<BR>
        I have seen hats she has done for a varity of
        people<BR>
        and eras and she has always done a splendid job. I
        am<BR>
        sure she can help you.<BR>
        She can be reached through her web-site at:<BR>
        <a
        href="http://www.geocities.com/past_perfect_hats/Past-Perfect.html">http://www.geocities.com/past_perfect_hats/Past-Perfect.html</a><BR>
        <BR>
        I have found her to be very reasonably priced.-
        Check<BR>
        her out you'll be glad you did.<BR>
        Terri<BR>
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      • Terri Lee
        I am looking for a wholesale distributer of battenburg lace fans. Would anyone happen to know of one that is reasonably priced? I have been through all of the
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          I am looking for a wholesale distributer of battenburg
          lace fans.
          Would anyone happen to know of one that is reasonably
          priced?
          I have been through all of the links on the Manifesto
          site and still have not found one.

          Thanks
          Terri Lee

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        • Stephanie Tomasi
          HI, Since you were nice enough to tell me about the hat ladie I thought I would tell you a great site to get fans at. If it is for Civil War Battenburg lace is
          Message 4 of 9 , Feb 10, 2002
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            HI,

            Since you were nice enough to tell me about the hat
            ladie I thought I would tell you a great site to get
            fans at. If it is for Civil War Battenburg lace is
            inapropriate. It wasn't around. Go to
            www.originals-by-kay.com. She has great fabric,
            clothing, bonnets, fans. She is very well reasearched.
            She does what you want as long as it would be
            appropriate for the time period.

            If you go to my site and look at the widow's fashion
            article I have pics of the dress she made me. My links
            page also has her web add.

            Hope this is of some help.
            --- Terri Lee <terbear28_2000@...> wrote:

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            <BR>
            I am looking for a wholesale distributer of
            battenburg<BR>
            lace fans.<BR>
            Would anyone happen to know of one that is
            reasonably<BR>
            priced?<BR>
            I have been through all of the links on the
            Manifesto<BR>
            site and still have not found one.<BR>
            <BR>
            Thanks<BR>
            Terri Lee<BR>
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          • Terri Lee
            Hi- Just thought I would add this in. While the name Battenburg, has not been arround since the Civil War. That example of lace has existed since what is
            Message 5 of 9 , Feb 10, 2002
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              Hi-
              Just thought I would add this in.
              While the name Battenburg, has not been arround since
              the Civil War. That example of lace has existed since
              what is believed to have been the 16th century.
              However it did not exist under the name of Battenburg.

              Tape lace is what Battenburg is. And I believe tape
              lace is the name in existed under (have to check my
              books for the exact name)and there are several places
              that have pieces of remaining samples. Infact, I
              believe the Smithsonian textile department has an
              example of tape lace that is dated to the 1600's.
              While it is not an exact duplicate to what we see now
              as Battenburg Lace, it is also not far off. Again if
              my memory serves me correctly, the old examples of
              tape lace is more detailed and ornate. But as I said,
              not far off from what we have today.

              But you were absolutly right, the words Battenburg
              Lace were 20th century words.
              Hope this helps.
              Terri

              --- Stephanie Tomasi <widow1@...>
              wrote:
              > HI,
              >
              > Since you were nice enough to tell me about the hat
              > ladie I thought I would tell you a great site to get
              > fans at. If it is for Civil War Battenburg lace is
              > inapropriate. It wasn't around. Go to
              > www.originals-by-kay.com. She has great fabric,
              > clothing, bonnets, fans. She is very well
              > reasearched.
              > She does what you want as long as it would be
              > appropriate for the time period.
              >
              > If you go to my site and look at the widow's fashion
              > article I have pics of the dress she made me. My
              > links
              > page also has her web add.
              >
              > Hope this is of some help.
              > --- Terri Lee <terbear28_2000@...> wrote:
              >
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              >
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              > <tt>
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              > I am looking for a wholesale distributer of
              > battenburg<BR>
              > lace fans.<BR>
              > Would anyone happen to know of one that is
              > reasonably<BR>
              > priced?<BR>
              > I have been through all of the links on the
              > Manifesto<BR>
              > site and still have not found one.<BR>
              > <BR>
              > Thanks<BR>
              > Terri Lee<BR>
              > <BR>
              >
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            • Stephanie Tomasi
              HI, Thanks for the info. Would Civil War era ladies have used what looked like modern Battenburg? I have found in research that often times what we call
              Message 6 of 9 , Feb 11, 2002
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                HI,

                Thanks for the info. Would Civil War era ladies have
                used what looked like modern Battenburg? I have found
                in research that often times what we call something
                today is totally different from what products of that
                same name were in the Victorian era. Where on garments
                was it used the most? Any other info you have on it
                would be appreciated.

                Thanks,
                --- Terri Lee <terbear28_2000@...> wrote:

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                <tt>
                Hi-<BR>
                Just thought I would add this in.<BR>
                While the name Battenburg, has not been arround
                since<BR>
                the Civil War. That example of lace has existed
                since<BR>
                what is believed to have been the 16th century.<BR>
                However it did not exist under the name of
                Battenburg.<BR>
                <BR>
                Tape lace is what Battenburg is. And I believe
                tape<BR>
                lace is the name in existed under (have to check
                my<BR>
                books for the exact name)and there are several
                places<BR>
                that have pieces of remaining samples. Infact, I<BR>
                believe the Smithsonian textile department has an<BR>
                example of tape lace that is dated to the 1600's.<BR>
                While it is not an exact duplicate to what we see
                now<BR>
                as Battenburg Lace, it is also not far off. Again
                if<BR>
                my memory serves me correctly, the old examples of<BR>
                tape lace is more detailed and ornate. But as I
                said,<BR>
                not far off from what we have today.<BR>
                <BR>
                But you were absolutly right, the words Battenburg<BR>
                Lace were 20th century words. <BR>
                Hope this helps.<BR>
                Terri <BR>
                <BR>
                --- Stephanie Tomasi
                <widow1@...><BR>
                wrote:<BR>
                > HI,<BR>
                > <BR>
                > Since you were nice enough to tell me about the
                hat<BR>
                > ladie I thought I would tell you a great site to
                get<BR>
                > fans at. If it is for Civil War Battenburg lace
                is<BR>
                > inapropriate. It wasn't around. Go to<BR>
                > www.originals-by-kay.com. She has great
                fabric,<BR>
                > clothing, bonnets, fans. She is very well<BR>
                > reasearched.<BR>
                > She does what you want as long as it would be<BR>
                > appropriate for the time period. <BR>
                > <BR>
                > If you go to my site and look at the widow's
                fashion<BR>
                > article I have pics of the dress she made me.
                My<BR>
                > links<BR>
                > page also has her web add.<BR>
                > <BR>
                > Hope this is of some help.<BR>
                > --- Terri Lee <terbear28_2000@...>
                wrote:<BR>
                > <BR>
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                > <tt><BR>
                >  <BR><BR>
                > I am looking for a wholesale distributer of<BR>
                > battenburg<BR><BR>
                > lace fans.<BR><BR>
                > Would anyone happen to know of one that is<BR>
                > reasonably<BR><BR>
                > priced?<BR><BR>
                > I have been through all of the links on the<BR>
                > Manifesto<BR><BR>
                > site and still have not found one.<BR><BR>
                > <BR><BR>
                > Thanks<BR><BR>
                > Terri Lee<BR><BR>
                > <BR><BR>
                ><BR>
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              • Terri Lee
                The vintage examples I have personally seen are remarkably close to our modern examples of Battenburg Lace. I have seen examples of this sort of lace used on
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                  The vintage examples I have personally seen are
                  remarkably close to our modern examples of Battenburg
                  Lace.
                  I have seen examples of this sort of lace used on
                  fans, parasols, underpinnings and at the neck line, of
                  both day dresses and ball gowns.
                  I have also seen collars from the early 1800's that
                  were of the tape lace sort.

                  I have seen a dress skirt from 1840's that had the
                  lace applied to the dress hem, something like a
                  insert, just with the background still in place.

                  Tape lace was considered the "home made" lace and not
                  as fasionable as the finer laces we normally associate
                  with this era. Women would often take a piece of bias
                  tape and work it with a crochet hook into a decorative
                  pattern known as tape lace.
                  Our modern Battenburg lace is machine made and does
                  not have the intricate design the older tape lace has.
                  However from 3 to 5 feet away the two do look the
                  same.
                  Your very correct in saying that many times a name has
                  changed and the item is still pretty much the same. I
                  have also seen this as well. And that is exactly what
                  happened in this case.

                  Hope this helps.
                  Terri

                  --- Stephanie Tomasi <widow1@...>
                  wrote:
                  > HI,
                  >
                  > Thanks for the info. Would Civil War era ladies have
                  > used what looked like modern Battenburg? I have
                  > found
                  > in research that often times what we call something
                  > today is totally different from what products of
                  > that
                  > same name were in the Victorian era. Where on
                  > garments
                  > was it used the most? Any other info you have on it
                  > would be appreciated.
                  >
                  > Thanks,
                  > --- Terri Lee <terbear28_2000@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > <HR>
                  > <html><body>
                  >
                  >
                  > <tt>
                  > Hi-<BR>
                  > Just thought I would add this in.<BR>
                  > While the name Battenburg, has not been arround
                  > since<BR>
                  > the Civil War. That example of lace has existed
                  > since<BR>
                  > what is believed to have been the 16th century.<BR>
                  > However it did not exist under the name of
                  > Battenburg.<BR>
                  > <BR>
                  > Tape lace is what Battenburg is. And I believe
                  > tape<BR>
                  > lace is the name in existed under (have to check
                  > my<BR>
                  > books for the exact name)and there are several
                  > places<BR>
                  > that have pieces of remaining samples. Infact, I<BR>
                  > believe the Smithsonian textile department has
                  > an<BR>
                  > example of tape lace that is dated to the
                  > 1600's.<BR>
                  > While it is not an exact duplicate to what we see
                  > now<BR>
                  > as Battenburg Lace, it is also not far off. Again
                  > if<BR>
                  > my memory serves me correctly, the old examples
                  > of<BR>
                  > tape lace is more detailed and ornate. But as I
                  > said,<BR>
                  > not far off from what we have today.<BR>
                  > <BR>
                  > But you were absolutly right, the words
                  > Battenburg<BR>
                  > Lace were 20th century words. <BR>
                  > Hope this helps.<BR>
                  > Terri <BR>
                  > <BR>
                  > --- Stephanie Tomasi
                  > <widow1@...><BR>
                  > wrote:<BR>
                  > > HI,<BR>
                  > > <BR>
                  > > Since you were nice enough to tell me about the
                  > hat<BR>
                  > > ladie I thought I would tell you a great site
                  > to
                  > get<BR>
                  > > fans at. If it is for Civil War Battenburg lace
                  > is<BR>
                  > > inapropriate. It wasn't around. Go to<BR>
                  > > www.originals-by-kay.com. She has great
                  > fabric,<BR>
                  > > clothing, bonnets, fans. She is very well<BR>
                  > > reasearched.<BR>
                  > > She does what you want as long as it would
                  > be<BR>
                  > > appropriate for the time period. <BR>
                  > > <BR>
                  > > If you go to my site and look at the widow's
                  > fashion<BR>
                  > > article I have pics of the dress she made me.
                  > My<BR>
                  > > links<BR>
                  > > page also has her web add.<BR>
                  > > <BR>
                  > > Hope this is of some help.<BR>
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                  > > lace fans.<BR><BR>
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                  > > reasonably<BR><BR>
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                  Hi, Thanks for the info. I would love to be able to get into some of the collections of historic clothing at museums. I used to work at Henry Ford Museum and
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                    Hi,

                    Thanks for the info. I would love to be able to get
                    into some of the collections of historic clothing at
                    museums. I used to work at Henry Ford Museum and
                    Greenfield Village. They have a great collection I am
                    told but they don't display most of it. My husband
                    used to be the Master Farmer at the 1880s farm. He is
                    now at a museum in IN. I may be able to get in to see
                    some of their stuff. What I would love to see is the
                    Royal Museum of Bath and their mourning collection.

                    Have you seen any mourning originals? Any helpful info
                    to give would be appreciated.

                    Thanks again,
                    --- Terri Lee <terbear28_2000@...> wrote:

                    <HR>
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                    <tt>
                    The vintage examples I have personally seen are<BR>
                    remarkably close to our modern examples of
                    Battenburg<BR>
                    Lace.<BR>
                    I have seen examples of this sort of lace used on<BR>
                    fans, parasols, underpinnings and at the neck line,
                    of<BR>
                    both day dresses and ball gowns. <BR>
                    I have also seen collars from the early 1800's
                    that<BR>
                    were of the tape lace sort.<BR>
                    <BR>
                    I have seen a dress skirt from 1840's that had the<BR>
                    lace applied to the dress hem, something like a<BR>
                    insert, just with the background still in place. <BR>
                    <BR>
                    Tape lace was considered the "home made"
                    lace and not<BR>
                    as fasionable as the finer laces we normally
                    associate<BR>
                    with this era. Women would often take a piece of
                    bias<BR>
                    tape and work it with a crochet hook into a
                    decorative<BR>
                    pattern known as tape lace. <BR>
                    Our modern Battenburg lace is machine made and
                    does<BR>
                    not have the intricate design the older tape lace
                    has.<BR>
                    However from 3 to 5 feet away the two do look the<BR>
                    same. <BR>
                    Your very correct in saying that many times a name
                    has<BR>
                    changed and the item is still pretty much the same.
                    I<BR>
                    have also seen this as well. And that is exactly
                    what<BR>
                    happened in this case.<BR>
                    <BR>
                    Hope this helps.<BR>
                    Terri <BR>
                    <BR>
                    --- Stephanie Tomasi
                    <widow1@...><BR>
                    wrote:<BR>
                    > HI,<BR>
                    > <BR>
                    > Thanks for the info. Would Civil War era ladies
                    have<BR>
                    > used what looked like modern Battenburg? I
                    have<BR>
                    > found<BR>
                    > in research that often times what we call
                    something<BR>
                    > today is totally different from what products
                    of<BR>
                    > that<BR>
                    > same name were in the Victorian era. Where on<BR>
                    > garments<BR>
                    > was it used the most? Any other info you have on
                    it<BR>
                    > would be appreciated. <BR>
                    > <BR>
                    > Thanks,<BR>
                    > --- Terri Lee <terbear28_2000@...>
                    wrote:<BR>
                    > <BR>
                    > <HR><BR>
                    > <html><body><BR>
                    > <BR>
                    > <BR>
                    > <tt><BR>
                    > Hi-<BR><BR>
                    > Just thought I would add this in.<BR><BR>
                    > While the name Battenburg, has not been
                    arround<BR>
                    > since<BR><BR>
                    > the Civil War. That example of lace has
                    existed<BR>
                    > since<BR><BR>
                    > what is believed to have been the 16th
                    century.<BR><BR>
                    > However it did not exist under the name of<BR>
                    > Battenburg.<BR><BR>
                    > <BR><BR>
                    > Tape lace is what Battenburg is. And I
                    believe<BR>
                    > tape<BR><BR>
                    > lace is the name in existed under (have to
                    check<BR>
                    > my<BR><BR>
                    > books for the exact name)and there are
                    several<BR>
                    > places<BR><BR>
                    > that have pieces of remaining samples. Infact,
                    I<BR><BR>
                    > believe the Smithsonian textile department
                    has<BR>
                    > an<BR><BR>
                    > example of tape lace that is dated to the<BR>
                    > 1600's.<BR><BR>
                    > While it is not an exact duplicate to what we
                    see<BR>
                    > now<BR><BR>
                    > as Battenburg Lace, it is also not far off.
                    Again<BR>
                    > if<BR><BR>
                    > my memory serves me correctly, the old
                    examples<BR>
                    > of<BR><BR>
                    > tape lace is more detailed and ornate. But as
                    I<BR>
                    > said,<BR><BR>
                    > not far off from what we have
                    today.<BR><BR>
                    > <BR><BR>
                    > But you were absolutly right, the words<BR>
                    > Battenburg<BR><BR>
                    > Lace were 20th century words. <BR><BR>
                    > Hope this helps.<BR><BR>
                    > Terri <BR><BR>
                    > <BR><BR>
                    > --- Stephanie Tomasi<BR>
                    >
                    &lt;widow1@...&gt;<BR><BR>
                    > wrote:<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; HI,<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; <BR><BR>
                    > &gt; Since you were nice enough to tell me
                    about the<BR>
                    > hat<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; ladie I thought I would tell you a great
                    site<BR>
                    > to<BR>
                    > get<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; fans at. If it is for Civil War
                    Battenburg lace<BR>
                    > is<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; inapropriate. It wasn't around. Go
                    to<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; www.originals-by-kay.com. She has
                    great<BR>
                    > fabric,<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; clothing, bonnets, fans. She is very
                    well<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; reasearched.<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; She does what you want as long as it
                    would<BR>
                    > be<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; appropriate for the time period.
                    <BR><BR>
                    > &gt; <BR><BR>
                    > &gt; If you go to my site and look at the
                    widow's<BR>
                    > fashion<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; article I have pics of the dress she
                    made me.<BR>
                    > My<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; links<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; page also has her web add.<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; <BR><BR>
                    > &gt; Hope this is of some help.<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; --- Terri Lee
                    &lt;terbear28_2000@...&gt;<BR>
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                    of<BR><BR>
                    > &gt;
                    battenburg&lt;BR&gt;<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; lace
                    fans.&lt;BR&gt;<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; Would anyone happen to know of one that
                    is<BR><BR>
                    > &gt;
                    reasonably&lt;BR&gt;<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; priced?&lt;BR&gt;<BR><BR>
                    > &gt; I have been through all of the links on
                    the<BR><BR>
                    > &gt;
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