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  • Robert and Nancy
    I ll try to get to the library one day this week to get the 1935 obituary. I won t be much help with the 1901 one. I get motion sick when I look at microfilm
    Message 1 of 12 , Jan 3, 2010
      
      I'll try to get to the library one day this week to get the 1935 obituary.  I won't be much help with the 1901 one.  I get motion sick when I look at microfilm for too long, so without a more definite date I can't help with that one.  And I'll type up the article on Joe John and send it later this evening.
       
      Nancy Schmidt
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:38 PM
      Subject: Re: [TexasCzechs] Question for Rosemary

      Nancy,

      Thanks for the help.  Joe (1935) Wenglar is buried in the Garden of Memories Cemetery in El Campo.  He died 6 Aug 1935.   I would love to have the Obit if you come across it.  

      Joe Sr. is the hard one to find.  I only know that he died around 1901 in Lakeview or El Campo.  From what I understand he committed suicide a year or so after the death of his wife.  As such the family kind of "swept it under the rug" as suicide was more taboo then, especially in the Catholic Church, and now 100 years later no one remembers the truth.  

      I would also love the copy of the article for Joe John.  I have the El Campo Obit but would love the one from Edna as well.  I'm trying to put together a complete history....not just the good parts so I want to include that as well.

      Ty



      From: Robert and Nancy <rschmidt@...>
      To: TexasCzechs@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 3:12:56 PM
      Subject: Re: [TexasCzechs] Question for Rosemary

       

      Ty, I'll check at the El Campo library for the 1935 obit.  I found the date of death as Aug. 6, 1935.  Do you know if the first Joseph Wenglar died or was buried in Louise or El Campo?  If so, I'll look for that one too if you can give me an exact date of death.
       
      Do you have an obit for Joseph John Wenglar who was murdered in El Campo in 1990?  If not, I have a copy of an article/obit from the Edna Herald that I can send in and I can also look for it in the El Campo paper.
       
      Nancy Schmidt
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:35 PM
      Subject: Re: [TexasCzechs] Question for Rosemary

      Hi Ty,
       
      I checked for both dates and came up empty.  Even tried variations of the surname. 
       
      I did find a few obits for Venglar other than the ones requested.  If you want them, let me know.
       
      Rosemary
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:07 PM
      Subject: [TexasCzechs] Question for Rosemary

       

      Ms. Ermis,

      Do you have any obit's for any of the Wenglar Family.  I am particuliarly looking for Joseph Wenglar (maybe Venglar)  who died in 1901 as well as his son Joseph Wenglar who died in 1935.  Thank you so much for the help.

      Ty Wenglar



    • Ty Wenglar
      Good Evening All, Below is an ancestor listing of my Grandfather Ernest Wenglar (b 1909). I wanted to post it to see if anyone else has any relatives in
      Message 2 of 12 , Jan 3, 2010

        Good Evening All,


        Below is an ancestor listing of my Grandfather Ernest Wenglar (b 1909).  I wanted to post it to see if anyone else has any relatives in common and would like to share information.  Thanks to all who have helped me get this far.  I truly appreciate everyone's caring and contributions.  If there is ever anything anyone needs please do not hesitate to ask.


        Ty


        Ernest Wenglar

        -1. Joseph "Joe" Wenglar II (1885 - 1935)

        -2. Joseph Venglar (Wenglar) (1843 - 1901)

        -2. Anna Mazac (1855 - 1899)

        -1. Amalie “Mollie” Holub (1880 - 1964)

        -2. John Holub (1850 - 1939)

        -3. Valentine Holub (1826 - 1916)

        4. Simon Holub (1795 - 1848)

        -5. Vaclav or Venzel Holub (1764 - 1836)

        -6. George Holub (1741 - )

        -7. George Holub (1720 - 1795)

        -8. Jan Holub (1675 - 1741)

        -8. Wife of Jan Holub

        -7. Barbara Krzisla (1724 - )

        -6. Marianna Kostelniczek (1745 - )

        -5. Anna Kovacek (Kovarik) (1759 - 1828)

        -4. Mariana Koliba (1799 - 1836)

        -5. Josef Valentin Koliba (1770 - 1845)

        -6. Simon Koliba (1739 - 1819)

        -6. Anna Kutach (1744 - 1825)

        -5. Barbora Janak (1771 - 1849)

        -3. Terezie Koza (1830 - 1905)

        -4. Jan Koza

        -4. Barbora Hrcek

        -2. Barbara Sebesta (1850 - 1938)

        -3. Ignac Sebesta (1820 - 1881)

        -3. Marianna Bahenik (1826 - 1910)

        -4. Jacobus Bahenik (1791 - 1862)

        -5. Joseph Bahenik (1762 - 1824)

        -6. Bernardus Bahenik (1729 - )

        -7. Bernath Bahenik (1680 - )

        -7. Magda Macura (1680 - )

        -6. Anna Skotnica (1738 - )

        -7. Mathaus (Mathias) Skotnica (1710 - )

        -7. Barbara (1710 - )

        -5. Marina Pachlopnik (1765 - 1828)

        -6. Jacobus Pachlopnik (1740 - 1804)

        -7. Georgius Pachlopnik (1715 - )

        -7. Ewa (1715 - )

        -6. Veronica Carbol (1742 - )

        -7. Venceslaus Carbol (1719 - )

        -8. Jakub Carbol (1687 - )

        -8. Maryna Polasek (1687 - )

        -7. Marina Kacir (1719 - )

        -4. Werenika Skotnika (1795 - )

        -5. Georgius Skotnika (1772 - )

        -6. Joannes Skotnika (1729 - 1792)

        -7. Paulus Skotnika (1705 - )

          -8. Jura Skotnika (1681 - )

          -8. Kacza Cuanda (1681 - )

        -7. Barbara Holinka (1705 - )

        -6. Veronica Vaclavik (1729 - )

        -7. Jan Vaclavik (1705 - )

        -7. Maryna Marsalek (1705 - )

        -5. Anna Paprok (1777 - )

        -6. Martinus Paprok (1750 - 1800)

        -6. Anna Vrobel (1740 - 1816)

        -7. Jacobus Vrobel (1716 - )

        -8. Georgius Vrobel (1690 - )

        -8. Dorothea (1690 - )

        -7. Marina Kaniok (1716 - )


      • Robert and Nancy
        I d offer to share my Holub/Sebesta information, but I think you have gone far beyond what I have! Nancy Schmidt ... From: Ty Wenglar To:
        Message 3 of 12 , Jan 4, 2010
          
          I'd offer to share my Holub/Sebesta information, but I think you have gone far beyond what I have!
           
          Nancy Schmidt
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:20 PM
          Subject: [TexasCzechs] All the names I'm researching...

          Good Evening All,


          Below is an ancestor listing of my Grandfather Ernest Wenglar (b 1909).  I wanted to post it to see if anyone else has any relatives in common and would like to share information.  Thanks to all who have helped me get this far.  I truly appreciate everyone's caring and contributions.  If there is ever anything anyone needs please do not hesitate to ask.


          Ty


          Ernest Wenglar

          -1. Joseph "Joe" Wenglar II (1885 - 1935)

          -2. Joseph Venglar (Wenglar) (1843 - 1901)

          -2. Anna Mazac (1855 - 1899)

          -1. Amalie “Mollie” Holub (1880 - 1964)

          -2. John Holub (1850 - 1939)

          -3. Valentine Holub (1826 - 1916)

          4. Simon Holub (1795 - 1848)

          -5. Vaclav or Venzel Holub (1764 - 1836)

          -6. George Holub (1741 - )

          -7. George Holub (1720 - 1795)

          -8. Jan Holub (1675 - 1741)

          -8. Wife of Jan Holub

          -7. Barbara Krzisla (1724 - )

          -6. Marianna Kostelniczek (1745 - )

          -5. Anna Kovacek (Kovarik) (1759 - 1828)

          -4. Mariana Koliba (1799 - 1836)

          -5. Josef Valentin Koliba (1770 - 1845)

          -6. Simon Koliba (1739 - 1819)

          -6. Anna Kutach (1744 - 1825)

          -5. Barbora Janak (1771 - 1849)

          -3. Terezie Koza (1830 - 1905)

          -4. Jan Koza

          -4. Barbora Hrcek

          -2. Barbara Sebesta (1850 - 1938)

          -3. Ignac Sebesta (1820 - 1881)

          -3. Marianna Bahenik (1826 - 1910)

          -4. Jacobus Bahenik (1791 - 1862)

          -5. Joseph Bahenik (1762 - 1824)

          -6. Bernardus Bahenik (1729 - )

          -7. Bernath Bahenik (1680 - )

          -7. Magda Macura (1680 - )

          -6. Anna Skotnica (1738 - )

          -7. Mathaus (Mathias) Skotnica (1710 - )

          -7. Barbara (1710 - )

          -5. Marina Pachlopnik (1765 - 1828)

          -6. Jacobus Pachlopnik (1740 - 1804)

          -7. Georgius Pachlopnik (1715 - )

          -7. Ewa (1715 - )

          -6. Veronica Carbol (1742 - )

          -7. Venceslaus Carbol (1719 - )

          -8. Jakub Carbol (1687 - )

          -8. Maryna Polasek (1687 - )

          -7. Marina Kacir (1719 - )

          -4. Werenika Skotnika (1795 - )

          -5. Georgius Skotnika (1772 - )

          -6. Joannes Skotnika (1729 - 1792)

          -7. Paulus Skotnika (1705 - )

            -8. Jura Skotnika (1681 - )

            -8. Kacza Cuanda (1681 - )

          -7. Barbara Holinka (1705 - )

          -6. Veronica Vaclavik (1729 - )

          -7. Jan Vaclavik (1705 - )

          -7. Maryna Marsalek (1705 - )

          -5. Anna Paprok (1777 - )

          -6. Martinus Paprok (1750 - 1800)

          -6. Anna Vrobel (1740 - 1816)

          -7. Jacobus Vrobel (1716 - )

          -8. Georgius Vrobel (1690 - )

          -8. Dorothea (1690 - )

          -7. Marina Kaniok (1716 - )


        • Ty Wenglar
          If there is anything you see and would like to have please let me know. Ty ________________________________ From: Robert and Nancy To:
          Message 4 of 12 , Jan 4, 2010
            If there is anything you see and would like to have please let me know.

            Ty



            From: Robert and Nancy <rschmidt@...>
            To: TexasCzechs@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 9:22:54 AM
            Subject: Re: [TexasCzechs] All the names I'm researching...

             

            

            I'd offer to share my Holub/Sebesta information, but I think you have gone far beyond what I have!
             
            Nancy Schmidt
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:20 PM
            Subject: [TexasCzechs] All the names I'm researching. ..

            Good Evening All,


            Below is an ancestor listing of my Grandfather Ernest Wenglar (b 1909).  I wanted to post it to see if anyone else has any relatives in common and would like to share information.  Thanks to all who have helped me get this far.  I truly appreciate everyone's caring and contributions.  If there is ever anything anyone needs please do not hesitate to ask.


            Ty


            Ernest Wenglar

            -1. Joseph "Joe" Wenglar II (1885 - 1935)

            -2. Joseph Venglar (Wenglar) (1843 - 1901)

            -2. Anna Mazac (1855 - 1899)

            -1. Amalie “Mollie” Holub (1880 - 1964)

            -2. John Holub (1850 - 1939)

            -3. Valentine Holub (1826 - 1916)

            4. Simon Holub (1795 - 1848)

            -5. Vaclav or Venzel Holub (1764 - 1836)

            -6. George Holub (1741 - )

            -7. George Holub (1720 - 1795)

            -8. Jan Holub (1675 - 1741)

            -8. Wife of Jan Holub

            -7. Barbara Krzisla (1724 - )

            -6. Marianna Kostelniczek (1745 - )

            -5. Anna Kovacek (Kovarik) (1759 - 1828)

            -4. Mariana Koliba (1799 - 1836)

            -5. Josef Valentin Koliba (1770 - 1845)

            -6. Simon Koliba (1739 - 1819)

            -6. Anna Kutach (1744 - 1825)

            -5. Barbora Janak (1771 - 1849)

            -3. Terezie Koza (1830 - 1905)

            -4. Jan Koza

            -4. Barbora Hrcek

            -2. Barbara Sebesta (1850 - 1938)

            -3. Ignac Sebesta (1820 - 1881)

            -3. Marianna Bahenik (1826 - 1910)

            -4. Jacobus Bahenik (1791 - 1862)

            -5. Joseph Bahenik (1762 - 1824)

            -6. Bernardus Bahenik (1729 - )

            -7. Bernath Bahenik (1680 - )

            -7. Magda Macura (1680 - )

            -6. Anna Skotnica (1738 - )

            -7. Mathaus (Mathias) Skotnica (1710 - )

            -7. Barbara (1710 - )

            -5. Marina Pachlopnik (1765 - 1828)

            -6. Jacobus Pachlopnik (1740 - 1804)

            -7. Georgius Pachlopnik (1715 - )

            -7. Ewa (1715 - )

            -6. Veronica Carbol (1742 - )

            -7. Venceslaus Carbol (1719 - )

            -8. Jakub Carbol (1687 - )

            -8. Maryna Polasek (1687 - )

            -7. Marina Kacir (1719 - )

            -4. Werenika Skotnika (1795 - )

            -5. Georgius Skotnika (1772 - )

            -6. Joannes Skotnika (1729 - 1792)

            -7. Paulus Skotnika (1705 - )

              -8. Jura Skotnika (1681 - )

              -8. Kacza Cuanda (1681 - )

            -7. Barbara Holinka (1705 - )

            -6. Veronica Vaclavik (1729 - )

            -7. Jan Vaclavik (1705 - )

            -7. Maryna Marsalek (1705 - )

            -5. Anna Paprok (1777 - )

            -6. Martinus Paprok (1750 - 1800)

            -6. Anna Vrobel (1740 - 1816)

            -7. Jacobus Vrobel (1716 - )

            -8. Georgius Vrobel (1690 - )

            -8. Dorothea (1690 - )

            -7. Marina Kaniok (1716 - )



          • Lois Petter Pereira
            I have many holubs but not sure if they tie into yours or not. I have a Mariana Kostelnicek born 1722 married to Jiri (Geo.) Holub b bef 1737, I do not have
            Message 5 of 12 , Jan 4, 2010
              I have many holubs but not sure if they tie into yours or not. I have a Mariana Kostelnicek born 1722 married to Jiri (Geo.) Holub b bef 1737, I do not have his parents but her father was Jakub Kostenicek
              I  have Polaseks in my direct line  but I only go back to Joseph Polasek b ? and wife Veronika Pavlicek b ?
              does this match....lois
              I am also looking for lost Orsak relatives, I found 1 aunt but I still have some missing so I def would like to share Orsak stuff...,.lois
              Lois Petter Pereira
              Researching Petter, Vitek, Bartos, Papez, Polasek, Kostelnik, Rada, Hlavica, Orsak, Urban, Susil, Manak, Rosenzwieg, Brdusikova, Halla, Psencikove, Slovakove, Susila, Susily



              From: Ty Wenglar <tywenglar@...>
              To: TexasCzechs@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 11:20:27 PM
              Subject: [TexasCzechs] All the names I'm researching...

               

              Good Evening All,


              Below is an ancestor listing of my Grandfather Ernest Wenglar (b 1909).  I wanted to post it to see if anyone else has any relatives in common and would like to share information.  Thanks to all who have helped me get this far.  I truly appreciate everyone's caring and contributions.  If there is ever anything anyone needs please do not hesitate to ask.


              Ty


              Ernest Wenglar

              -1. Joseph "Joe" Wenglar II (1885 - 1935)

              -2. Joseph Venglar (Wenglar) (1843 - 1901)

              -2. Anna Mazac (1855 - 1899)

              -1. Amalie “Mollie” Holub (1880 - 1964)

              -2. John Holub (1850 - 1939)

              -3. Valentine Holub (1826 - 1916)

              4. Simon Holub (1795 - 1848)

              -5. Vaclav or Venzel Holub (1764 - 1836)

              -6. George Holub (1741 - )

              -7. George Holub (1720 - 1795)

              -8. Jan Holub (1675 - 1741)

              -8. Wife of Jan Holub

              -7. Barbara Krzisla (1724 - )

              -6. Marianna Kostelniczek (1745 - )

              -5. Anna Kovacek (Kovarik) (1759 - 1828)

              -4. Mariana Koliba (1799 - 1836)

              -5. Josef Valentin Koliba (1770 - 1845)

              -6. Simon Koliba (1739 - 1819)

              -6. Anna Kutach (1744 - 1825)

              -5. Barbora Janak (1771 - 1849)

              -3. Terezie Koza (1830 - 1905)

              -4. Jan Koza

              -4. Barbora Hrcek

              -2. Barbara Sebesta (1850 - 1938)

              -3. Ignac Sebesta (1820 - 1881)

              -3. Marianna Bahenik (1826 - 1910)

              -4. Jacobus Bahenik (1791 - 1862)

              -5. Joseph Bahenik (1762 - 1824)

              -6. Bernardus Bahenik (1729 - )

              -7. Bernath Bahenik (1680 - )

              -7. Magda Macura (1680 - )

              -6. Anna Skotnica (1738 - )

              -7. Mathaus (Mathias) Skotnica (1710 - )

              -7. Barbara (1710 - )

              -5. Marina Pachlopnik (1765 - 1828)

              -6. Jacobus Pachlopnik (1740 - 1804)

              -7. Georgius Pachlopnik (1715 - )

              -7. Ewa (1715 - )

              -6. Veronica Carbol (1742 - )

              -7. Venceslaus Carbol (1719 - )

              -8. Jakub Carbol (1687 - )

              -8. Maryna Polasek (1687 - )

              -7. Marina Kacir (1719 - )

              -4. Werenika Skotnika (1795 - )

              -5. Georgius Skotnika (1772 - )

              -6. Joannes Skotnika (1729 - 1792)

              -7. Paulus Skotnika (1705 - )

                -8. Jura Skotnika (1681 - )

                -8. Kacza Cuanda (1681 - )

              -7. Barbara Holinka (1705 - )

              -6. Veronica Vaclavik (1729 - )

              -7. Jan Vaclavik (1705 - )

              -7. Maryna Marsalek (1705 - )

              -5. Anna Paprok (1777 - )

              -6. Martinus Paprok (1750 - 1800)

              -6. Anna Vrobel (1740 - 1816)

              -7. Jacobus Vrobel (1716 - )

              -8. Georgius Vrobel (1690 - )

              -8. Dorothea (1690 - )

              -7. Marina Kaniok (1716 - )


            • Robert and Nancy
              Ty, I was looking at your family tree at Ancestry.com a few days ago and I saw a Sebesta Family History listed as a source. Is that a book that is available
              Message 6 of 12 , Jan 5, 2010
                
                Ty, I was looking at your family tree at Ancestry.com a few days ago and I saw a Sebesta Family History listed as a source.  Is that a book that is available for sale or is it research that you have had done for you?  Seems like there was another source listed that I had a question about, but now I can't remember what it was...LOL!
                 
                When I take a break from my Janik family and go to work on my Knebel and Holub families, I'll get with you to see what you might have that I am missing.
                 
                Nancy Schmidt
                ----- Original Message -----
                Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:37 PM
                Subject: Re: [TexasCzechs] All the names I'm researching...

                If there is anything you see and would like to have please let me know.

                Ty



                From: Robert and Nancy <rschmidt@...>
                To: TexasCzechs@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 9:22:54 AM
                Subject: Re: [TexasCzechs] All the names I'm researching...

                 

                

                I'd offer to share my Holub/Sebesta information, but I think you have gone far beyond what I have!
                 
                Nancy Schmidt
                ----- Original Message -----
                Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:20 PM
                Subject: [TexasCzechs] All the names I'm researching. ..

                Good Evening All,


                Below is an ancestor listing of my Grandfather Ernest Wenglar (b 1909).  I wanted to post it to see if anyone else has any relatives in common and would like to share information.  Thanks to all who have helped me get this far.  I truly appreciate everyone's caring and contributions.  If there is ever anything anyone needs please do not hesitate to ask.


                Ty


                Ernest Wenglar

                -1. Joseph "Joe" Wenglar II (1885 - 1935)

                -2. Joseph Venglar (Wenglar) (1843 - 1901)

                -2. Anna Mazac (1855 - 1899)

                -1. Amalie “Mollie” Holub (1880 - 1964)

                -2. John Holub (1850 - 1939)

                -3. Valentine Holub (1826 - 1916)

                4. Simon Holub (1795 - 1848)

                -5. Vaclav or Venzel Holub (1764 - 1836)

                -6. George Holub (1741 - )

                -7. George Holub (1720 - 1795)

                -8. Jan Holub (1675 - 1741)

                -8. Wife of Jan Holub

                -7. Barbara Krzisla (1724 - )

                -6. Marianna Kostelniczek (1745 - )

                -5. Anna Kovacek (Kovarik) (1759 - 1828)

                -4. Mariana Koliba (1799 - 1836)

                -5. Josef Valentin Koliba (1770 - 1845)

                -6. Simon Koliba (1739 - 1819)

                -6. Anna Kutach (1744 - 1825)

                -5. Barbora Janak (1771 - 1849)

                -3. Terezie Koza (1830 - 1905)

                -4. Jan Koza

                -4. Barbora Hrcek

                -2. Barbara Sebesta (1850 - 1938)

                -3. Ignac Sebesta (1820 - 1881)

                -3. Marianna Bahenik (1826 - 1910)

                -4. Jacobus Bahenik (1791 - 1862)

                -5. Joseph Bahenik (1762 - 1824)

                -6. Bernardus Bahenik (1729 - )

                -7. Bernath Bahenik (1680 - )

                -7. Magda Macura (1680 - )

                -6. Anna Skotnica (1738 - )

                -7. Mathaus (Mathias) Skotnica (1710 - )

                -7. Barbara (1710 - )

                -5. Marina Pachlopnik (1765 - 1828)

                -6. Jacobus Pachlopnik (1740 - 1804)

                -7. Georgius Pachlopnik (1715 - )

                -7. Ewa (1715 - )

                -6. Veronica Carbol (1742 - )

                -7. Venceslaus Carbol (1719 - )

                -8. Jakub Carbol (1687 - )

                -8. Maryna Polasek (1687 - )

                -7. Marina Kacir (1719 - )

                -4. Werenika Skotnika (1795 - )

                -5. Georgius Skotnika (1772 - )

                -6. Joannes Skotnika (1729 - 1792)

                -7. Paulus Skotnika (1705 - )

                  -8. Jura Skotnika (1681 - )

                  -8. Kacza Cuanda (1681 - )

                -7. Barbara Holinka (1705 - )

                -6. Veronica Vaclavik (1729 - )

                -7. Jan Vaclavik (1705 - )

                -7. Maryna Marsalek (1705 - )

                -5. Anna Paprok (1777 - )

                -6. Martinus Paprok (1750 - 1800)

                -6. Anna Vrobel (1740 - 1816)

                -7. Jacobus Vrobel (1716 - )

                -8. Georgius Vrobel (1690 - )

                -8. Dorothea (1690 - )

                -7. Marina Kaniok (1716 - )



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