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  • Julie Matus
    I believe in our house kishka was clabbered milk, right? I know it is different in Polish, maybe knife? Our word for gate was vrati. Other people called it a
    Message 1 of 25 , Apr 8, 2005
      I believe in our house kishka was clabbered milk, right? I know
      it is different in Polish, maybe knife?

      Our word for gate was vrati. Other people called it a brana.

      We had kobzoli and other people had zemaky (potatoes).

      Sure wish there was a Czech class somewhere in the Spring area -
      would be fun to get together!

      later, jam

      Julie & Wes Matus
      Spring, TX

      Researching:
      Herzik, Korenek, Toman, Dybala,
      Matus, Kubala, Grossman, Krenek



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      >STOLE THE KISHKA". <BR>
      >I think kishka (sp?) was considered a knife in Tex-Czech but <BR>
      >is "sausage" in Polish....but having either stole "from the <BR>
      >butcher shop" would fit the song.  haha<BR>
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      >>Hi Leroy -<BR><BR>
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      >>I think the chicken house would be kleca??<BR><BR>
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      >>kurinec is what you step in from a chicken!!<BR><BR>
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      >>Turkey is norka I believe.<BR><BR>
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      >>Julie & Wes Matus<BR><BR>
      >>Spring, TX<BR><BR>
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      >>Researching:<BR><BR>
      >>Herzik, Korenek, Toman, Dybala, <BR><BR>
      >>Matus, Kubala, Grossman, Krenek<BR><BR>
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      >>From: "Leroy Janda" <ljanda@...><BR><BR>
      >>Reply-To: TexasCzechs@yahoogroups.com<BR><BR>
      >>Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:14:46 -0500<BR><BR>
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      >>> young boy                               ogar<BR><BR>
      >>>not know actual meaning           hanjak<BR><BR>
      >>> broomweed                             metlice<BR><BR>
      >>> grandpa                                 staricek<BR><BR>
      >>> grandma                                starenka<BR><BR>
      >>> snake                                    had<BR><BR>
      >>> chicken                                 kure<BR><BR>
      >>>  chicken house                      kurinec (sp)<BR><BR>
      >>> pigeon                                  holub<BR><BR>
      >>>to gin cotton                          gnovat<BR><BR>
      >>>cotton                                    bavlna<BR><BR>
      >>>bull                                       býk<BR><BR>
      >>>cow                                        krava<BR><BR>
      >>>herd                                        dobytek<BR><BR>
      >>>postoffice                                posta<BR><BR>
      >>>field                                        pole<BR><BR>
      >>>turkey                                    ? don't think it was
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      >>kruta<BR><BR>
      >>>road                                        cesta<BR><BR>
      >>>town                                        mesto<BR><BR>
      >>>upstairs                                    na hore<BR><BR>
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    • dlmachu1@aol.com
      Ahoj Kiska with a hook on the s, is clabber. Krivak with a hook on the r, is pocket knife. Kleca is chicken coop. Kurnik is chicken house. This is fun
      Message 2 of 25 , Apr 8, 2005
        Ahoj
               Kiska with a hook on the s,  is clabber. Krivak with a hook on the r, is pocket knife. Kleca  is chicken coop. Kurnik is chicken house.
                 This is fun                               Darwin
      • FayeLee39@aol.com
        Come on Leroy ; for holub- we want to use dove, not pigeon. Cullis
        Message 3 of 25 , Apr 8, 2005
          Come on Leroy ;

          for holub- we want to use dove, not pigeon.

          Cullis
        • dlmachu1@aol.com
          At home we called a pidgeon, holub. Dove was a cukruvka. Darwin
          Message 4 of 25 , Apr 8, 2005
            At home we called a pidgeon, holub. Dove was a cukruvka.
                                       Darwin
          • J.D. Kotrla-Chipps
            I m not sure of the spelling, but I remember toddlers being told, Pocash pupek , meaning show your belly button . Hanjak was used as a derogatory word for
            Message 5 of 25 , Apr 8, 2005
              I'm not sure of the spelling, but I remember toddlers being told, "Pocash pupek", meaning "show your belly button".

              "Hanjak" was used as a derogatory word for a pest, or rascal, or worse.  In other words, not a desirable person.


            • Dolores Miller
              Man that pocash pupek and hanjak does ring some bells. Although my oldest son knows some Czech words and phrases, my other three sons all know pupek and
              Message 6 of 25 , Apr 9, 2005
                Man that pocash pupek and hanjak does ring some bells.  Although my oldest son knows some Czech words and phrases, my other three sons all know "pupek" and "hanjak".  I taught them the pupek thing they just picked up the hanjak.  Thanks for the memory.
                Dolores

                "J.D. Kotrla-Chipps" <jdkc@...> wrote:
                I'm not sure of the spelling, but I remember toddlers being told, "Pocash pupek", meaning "show your belly button".

                "Hanjak" was used as a derogatory word for a pest, or rascal, or worse.  In other words, not a desirable person.




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              • Dolores Miller
                In Granger, a holub was a pidgeon. Mother used to make holub soup. It was very good. I have a friend, Rose Ann Parma, who cooks a lot of Czech dishes. Her
                Message 7 of 25 , Apr 9, 2005
                  In Granger, a holub was a pidgeon.  Mother used to make holub soup.  It was very good.
                  I have a friend, Rose Ann Parma, who cooks a lot of Czech dishes.  Her e-mail address is babiparma@....  The babi is for babicka(spelling) one of the Czech names of grandmother, the other being. straricka(spelling). Rose Anne and I call each other, Stara Baba,
                  old lady, of course we are only 39 and holding.. 
                  Dolores


                  FayeLee39@... wrote:
                  Come on Leroy ; 

                  for holub- we want to use dove, not pigeon.

                  Cullis


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                • Dolores Miller
                  Darvin, I think you are correct. Are the Darvin Machu from Granger/Taylor area? I seem to remember the name, not the face. Dolores Velicka Miller
                  Message 8 of 25 , Apr 9, 2005
                    Darvin, I think you are correct.  Are the Darvin Machu from Granger/Taylor area?  I seem to remember the name, not the face.
                    Dolores Velicka Miller

                    dlmachu1@... wrote:
                    Ahoj
                           Kiska with a hook on the s,  is clabber. Krivak with a hook on the r, is pocket knife. Kleca  is chicken coop. Kurnik is chicken house.
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                  • Andikat@aol.com
                    Finally one I can relate to! I remember my grandmother referring to the belly button as a pupek too. Andrea In a message dated 4/9/05 12:29:44 AM Central
                    Message 9 of 25 , Apr 9, 2005
                      Finally one I can relate to!  I remember my grandmother referring to the belly button as a "pupek" too.
                       
                      Andrea
                       
                      In a message dated 4/9/05 12:29:44 AM Central Daylight Time, jdkc@... writes:
                      I'm not sure of the spelling, but I remember toddlers being told, "Pocash pupek", meaning "show your belly button".
                    • dlmachu1@aol.com
                      Hi Delores Yes I am from Granger, I graduated in 1948. I think that you were a year ahead of me. I also remember your name but can not put a face to it. Darwin
                      Message 10 of 25 , Apr 10, 2005
                        Hi Delores
                               Yes I am from Granger, I graduated in 1948. I think that you were a year ahead of me. I also remember your name but can not put a face to it.
                                                   Darwin
                      • Dolores Miller
                        Dear Marvin, you are correct, I graduated in 1947 but not from Granger High. After graduating from Catholic School, I went a short while to a Catholic
                        Message 11 of 25 , Apr 12, 2005
                          Dear Marvin, you are correct, I graduated in 1947 but not from Granger High.  After graduating from Catholic School, I went a short while to a Catholic boarding school in Austin.  I was not happy there, so my parents allowed me to go to GHS.  We moved the summer following my Sophmore year, hence I graduated from Taylor High School and then went on to Southwester University. I was in Granger for the 100th Anniversary of the Catholic School and saw a lot of old classmates.  Nice of you to confirm my memory. 
                           
                          Dolores

                          dlmachu1@... wrote:
                          Hi Delores
                                 Yes I am from Granger, I graduated in 1948. I think that you were a year ahead of me. I also remember your name but can not put a face to it.
                                                     Darwin


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                        • Nangotoo
                          You know what really be helpful? For us poor uneducated Czech and Moravians, could you Czech speakers also include an English sounding out of the word when
                          Message 12 of 25 , Apr 16, 2005
                            You know what really be helpful?  For us poor uneducated Czech and Moravians, could you Czech speakers also include an English sounding out of the word when you show the word?  How do you actually say--ogar?  What do the words sound like so we can learn how to say them?  I don't know what the accents and marks sound like or how they change the sound of a letter.  Well, to be honest, I don't even know what the letters in the alphabets sound like.  So could you break them down for us?  Nan
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                             young boy                               ogar
                            not know actual meaning           hanjak 
                             broomweed                             metlice
                             grandpa                                 staricek   
                             grandma                                starenka
                             snake                                    had           
                             chicken                                 kure       
                              chicken house                      kurinec (sp)     
                             pigeon                                  holub
                            to gin cotton                          gnovat
                            cotton                                    bavlna
                            bull                                       býk 
                            cow                                        krava
                            herd                                        dobytek
                            postoffice                                posta
                            field                                        pole
                            turkey                                    ? don't think it was kruta
                            road                                        cesta
                            town                                        mesto
                            upstairs                                    na hore
                             
                             
                             


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                          • Zdenek Malcik
                            Hello Nan, I can prepare files (mp3-data format), how actually sound some words in Czech (Moravian). Should I send these words to this group? (question: with
                            Message 13 of 25 , Apr 19, 2005
                              Hello Nan,

                              I can prepare files (mp3-data format), how actually
                              sound some words in Czech (Moravian). Should I send
                              these words to this group? (question: with or without
                              accent - haceks and carkas, or only without "R with
                              accent"). I send as a attachment "ogar", this word is
                              troublefree.
                              Do you know word cerka, cerecka or dcerka for young
                              girl in Vallachia? (it sounds like tsa:rk� ...? "r"
                              as in red)

                              Zdenek

                              --- Nangotoo <nangotoo@...> wrote:
                              > You know what really be helpful? For us poor
                              > uneducated Czech and Moravians, could you Czech
                              > speakers also include an English sounding out of the
                              > word when you show the word? How do you actually
                              > say--ogar? What do the words sound like so we can
                              > learn how to say them? I don't know what the
                              > accents and marks sound like or how they change the
                              > sound of a letter. Well, to be honest, I don't even
                              > know what the letters in the alphabets sound like.
                              > So could you break them down for us? Nan
                              >
                              >
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                              >
                              >
                              > young boy ogar
                              > not know actual meaning hanjak
                              > broomweed metlice
                              > grandpa staricek
                              >
                              > grandma starenka
                              > snake had
                              >
                              > chicken kure
                              >
                              > chicken house kurinec (sp)
                              >
                              > pigeon holub
                              > to gin cotton gnovat
                              > cotton bavlna
                              > bull b�k
                              > cow krava
                              > herd
                              > dobytek
                              > postoffice posta
                              > field pole
                              > turkey ? don't
                              > think it was kruta
                              > road cesta
                              > town mesto
                              > upstairs na
                              > hore


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                            • dennis svetlik
                              Hi Zdenek, This is an excellent idea. The diacritical marks should be included on all the words. Also, you might consider including the Czech alphabet to
                              Message 14 of 25 , Apr 20, 2005
                                Hi Zdenek,
                                This is an excellent idea. The diacritical marks
                                should be included on all the words. Also, you might
                                consider including the Czech alphabet to show the
                                sounds of the letters(as well as "ch" and the
                                diphthongs).
                                Best regards,
                                Dennis Svetlik
                                --- Zdenek Malcik <zdenek_maki@...> wrote:
                                > Hello Nan,
                                >
                                > I can prepare files (mp3-data format), how actually
                                > sound some words in Czech (Moravian). Should I send
                                > these words to this group? (question: with or
                                > without
                                > accent - haceks and carkas, or only without "R with
                                > accent"). I send as a attachment "ogar", this word
                                > is
                                > troublefree.
                                > Do you know word cerka, cerecka or dcerka for young
                                > girl in Vallachia? (it sounds like tsa:rk� ...? "r"
                                > as in red)
                                >
                                > Zdenek
                                >
                                > --- Nangotoo <nangotoo@...> wrote:
                                > > You know what really be helpful? For us poor
                                > > uneducated Czech and Moravians, could you Czech
                                > > speakers also include an English sounding out of
                                > the
                                > > word when you show the word? How do you actually
                                > > say--ogar? What do the words sound like so we can
                                > > learn how to say them? I don't know what the
                                > > accents and marks sound like or how they change
                                > the
                                > > sound of a letter. Well, to be honest, I don't
                                > even
                                > > know what the letters in the alphabets sound like.
                                >
                                > > So could you break them down for us? Nan
                                > >
                                > >
                                >
                                ______________________________________________________________
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > young boy ogar
                                > > not know actual meaning hanjak
                                > > broomweed metlice
                                > > grandpa
                                > staricek
                                > >
                                > > grandma starenka
                                > > snake had
                                >
                                > >
                                > > chicken kure
                                >
                                > >
                                > > chicken house kurinec
                                > (sp)
                                > >
                                > > pigeon holub
                                > > to gin cotton gnovat
                                > > cotton bavlna
                                > > bull b�k
                                > > cow krava
                                > > herd
                                > > dobytek
                                > > postoffice posta
                                > > field
                                > pole
                                > > turkey ?
                                > don't
                                > > think it was kruta
                                > > road
                                > cesta
                                > > town
                                > mesto
                                > > upstairs na
                                > > hore
                                >
                                >
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                              • Zdenek Malcik
                                Greetings to everyone: Here are some Walachian words - do you know any of these? : furt = always haluz = branch hen = there chrobak = beatle, chafer
                                Message 15 of 25 , Apr 21, 2005
                                  Greetings to everyone:

                                  Here are some Walachian words - do you know any of
                                  these? :
                                  furt = always
                                  haluz = branch
                                  hen = there
                                  chrobak = beatle, chafer (generally)
                                  chmura = worry
                                  jarek = groove, ditch
                                  klemra = coldness
                                  neskoro = late, later
                                  krivak = pocketknife
                                  plachta = bed sheet
                                  lata = patch, clout
                                  tata = father
                                  masik = pig
                                  vertuch = pinny, pinafore
                                  mrkva = carrot
                                  zufan = ladle, tablespoon
                                  ...
                                  ???

                                  Zdenek Malcik
                                  Brno, Moravia


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                                • Zdenek Malcik
                                  Greetings to everyone, I create new folder: 07 Texan and Moravian words (Czech alphabet and some words in Czech sounding) There are in MP3 format: - czech
                                  Message 16 of 25 , Apr 21, 2005
                                    Greetings to everyone,

                                    I create new folder: 07 Texan and Moravian words
                                    (Czech alphabet and some words in Czech sounding)
                                    There are in MP3 format:
                                    - czech alphabets
                                    - old Texan words from you in Czech sounding
                                    - some other Moravian words or sentences in Czech
                                    sounding

                                    To get to the files area, log onto
                                    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/texasczechs/.

                                    I hope that help you.

                                    Zdenek Malcik
                                    Brno, Moravia



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                                  • Dolores Miller
                                    Dobre Den, I only recognized two words, Krivak=pocketknife and tata=father. Isn t there a slight difference between Czech and Moravian words? Spanem Bohem,
                                    Message 17 of 25 , Apr 22, 2005
                                      Dobre Den, I only recognized two words, Krivak=pocketknife and tata=father.  Isn't there a slight difference between Czech and Moravian words?
                                      Spanem Bohem, Dolores Velicka Miller

                                      Zdenek Malcik <zdenek_maki@...> wrote:
                                      Greetings to everyone:

                                      Here are some Walachian words - do you know any of
                                      these? :
                                      furt = always
                                      haluz = branch
                                      hen = there
                                      chrobak = beatle, chafer (generally)
                                      chmura = worry
                                      jarek = groove, ditch
                                      klemra = coldness
                                      neskoro = late, later
                                      krivak = pocketknife
                                      plachta = bed sheet
                                      lata = patch, clout
                                      tata = father
                                      masik = pig
                                      vertuch = pinny, pinafore
                                      mrkva = carrot
                                      zufan = ladle, tablespoon
                                      ...
                                      ???

                                      Zdenek Malcik
                                      Brno, Moravia


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                                    • Tim Dybala
                                      That s how this thread got started....the difference between Czech and Moravian words (and TexCzech!) ... From: Dolores Miller
                                      Message 18 of 25 , Apr 22, 2005
                                        That's how this thread got started....the difference between Czech
                                        and Moravian words (and TexCzech!)


                                        ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
                                        From: Dolores Miller <texassanta5@...>
                                        Reply-To: TexasCzechs@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:48:07 -0700 (PDT)

                                        >Dobre Den, I only recognized two words, Krivak=pocketknife and
                                        tata=father. Isn't there a slight difference between Czech and
                                        Moravian words?
                                        >Spanem Bohem, Dolores Velicka Miller
                                        >
                                        >Zdenek Malcik <zdenek_maki@...> wrote:
                                        >Greetings to everyone:
                                        >
                                        >Here are some Walachian words - do you know any of
                                        >these? :
                                        >furt = always
                                        >haluz = branch
                                        >hen = there
                                        >chrobak = beatle, chafer (generally)
                                        >chmura = worry
                                        >jarek = groove, ditch
                                        >klemra = coldness
                                        >neskoro = late, later
                                        >krivak = pocketknife
                                        >plachta = bed sheet
                                        >lata = patch, clout
                                        >tata = father
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                                      • Leroy Janda
                                        Two that my grandpa used all the time poslouchate Listen dejte pozor Be careful others reva river - instead of reka clun
                                        Message 19 of 25 , Apr 23, 2005
                                          Two that my grandpa used all the time

                                          poslouchate Listen
                                          dejte pozor Be careful

                                          others
                                          reva river - instead of reka
                                          clun boat
                                          kostel church
                                          karu automobile instead of auto

                                          cannot remember "pond" did not user rybnik or jezero
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