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  • Tim Dybala
    I m sure someone will clarify this but there was some confusion around my house growing up when we heard the Polish (?) song, WHO STOLE THE KISHKA . I think
    Message 1 of 25 , Apr 8, 2005
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      I'm sure someone will clarify this but there was some confusion
      around my house growing up when we heard the Polish (?) song, "WHO
      STOLE THE KISHKA".
      I think kishka (sp?) was considered a knife in Tex-Czech but
      is "sausage" in Polish....but having either stole "from the
      butcher shop" would fit the song. haha

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      From: "Julie Matus" <juwemat@...>
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      Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:36:08 -0500

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      >I think the chicken house would be kleca??<BR>
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      >kurinec is what you step in from a chicken!!<BR>
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      >Turkey is norka I believe.<BR>
      ><BR>
      >Julie & Wes Matus<BR>
      >Spring, TX<BR>
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      >Researching:<BR>
      >Herzik, Korenek, Toman, Dybala, <BR>
      >Matus, Kubala, Grossman, Krenek<BR>
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      >From: "Leroy Janda" <ljanda@...><BR>
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      >Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:14:46 -0500<BR>
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      >> young boy                               ogar<BR>
      >>not know actual meaning           hanjak<BR>
      >> broomweed                             metlice<BR>
      >> grandpa                                 staricek<BR>
      >> grandma                                starenka<BR>
      >> snake                                    had<BR>
      >> chicken                                 kure<BR>
      >>  chicken house                      kurinec (sp)<BR>
      >> pigeon                                  holub<BR>
      >>to gin cotton                          gnovat<BR>
      >>cotton                                    bavlna<BR>
      >>bull                                       býk<BR>
      >>cow                                        krava<BR>
      >>herd                                        dobytek<BR>
      >>postoffice                                posta<BR>
      >>field                                        pole<BR>
      >>turkey                                    ? don't think it was
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      >kruta<BR>
      >>road                                        cesta<BR>
      >>town                                        mesto<BR>
      >>upstairs                                    na hore<BR>
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    • Julie Matus
      I believe in our house kishka was clabbered milk, right? I know it is different in Polish, maybe knife? Our word for gate was vrati. Other people called it a
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        I believe in our house kishka was clabbered milk, right? I know
        it is different in Polish, maybe knife?

        Our word for gate was vrati. Other people called it a brana.

        We had kobzoli and other people had zemaky (potatoes).

        Sure wish there was a Czech class somewhere in the Spring area -
        would be fun to get together!

        later, jam

        Julie & Wes Matus
        Spring, TX

        Researching:
        Herzik, Korenek, Toman, Dybala,
        Matus, Kubala, Grossman, Krenek



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        From: "Tim Dybala" <tim@...>
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        Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:41:40 -0500

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        >I'm sure someone will clarify this but there was some confusion
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        >around my house growing up when we heard the Polish (?)
        song, "WHO <BR>
        >STOLE THE KISHKA". <BR>
        >I think kishka (sp?) was considered a knife in Tex-Czech but <BR>
        >is "sausage" in Polish....but having either stole "from the <BR>
        >butcher shop" would fit the song.  haha<BR>
        ><BR>
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        >From: "Julie Matus" <juwemat@...><BR>
        >Reply-To: TexasCzechs@yahoogroups.com<BR>
        >Date: Fri,  8 Apr 2005 15:36:08 -0500<BR>
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        >>Hi Leroy -<BR><BR>
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        >>I think the chicken house would be kleca??<BR><BR>
        >><BR><BR>
        >>kurinec is what you step in from a chicken!!<BR><BR>
        >><BR><BR>
        >>Turkey is norka I believe.<BR><BR>
        >><BR><BR>
        >>Julie & Wes Matus<BR><BR>
        >>Spring, TX<BR><BR>
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        >>Researching:<BR><BR>
        >>Herzik, Korenek, Toman, Dybala, <BR><BR>
        >>Matus, Kubala, Grossman, Krenek<BR><BR>
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        >>From: "Leroy Janda" <ljanda@...><BR><BR>
        >>Reply-To: TexasCzechs@yahoogroups.com<BR><BR>
        >>Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:14:46 -0500<BR><BR>
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        >>> young boy                               ogar<BR><BR>
        >>>not know actual meaning           hanjak<BR><BR>
        >>> broomweed                             metlice<BR><BR>
        >>> grandpa                                 staricek<BR><BR>
        >>> grandma                                starenka<BR><BR>
        >>> snake                                    had<BR><BR>
        >>> chicken                                 kure<BR><BR>
        >>>  chicken house                      kurinec (sp)<BR><BR>
        >>> pigeon                                  holub<BR><BR>
        >>>to gin cotton                          gnovat<BR><BR>
        >>>cotton                                    bavlna<BR><BR>
        >>>bull                                       býk<BR><BR>
        >>>cow                                        krava<BR><BR>
        >>>herd                                        dobytek<BR><BR>
        >>>postoffice                                posta<BR><BR>
        >>>field                                        pole<BR><BR>
        >>>turkey                                    ? don't think it was
        <BR>
        ><BR><BR>
        >>kruta<BR><BR>
        >>>road                                        cesta<BR><BR>
        >>>town                                        mesto<BR><BR>
        >>>upstairs                                    na hore<BR><BR>
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      • dlmachu1@aol.com
        Ahoj Kiska with a hook on the s, is clabber. Krivak with a hook on the r, is pocket knife. Kleca is chicken coop. Kurnik is chicken house. This is fun
        Message 3 of 25 , Apr 8, 2005
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          Ahoj
                 Kiska with a hook on the s,  is clabber. Krivak with a hook on the r, is pocket knife. Kleca  is chicken coop. Kurnik is chicken house.
                   This is fun                               Darwin
        • FayeLee39@aol.com
          Come on Leroy ; for holub- we want to use dove, not pigeon. Cullis
          Message 4 of 25 , Apr 8, 2005
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            Come on Leroy ;

            for holub- we want to use dove, not pigeon.

            Cullis
          • dlmachu1@aol.com
            At home we called a pidgeon, holub. Dove was a cukruvka. Darwin
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              At home we called a pidgeon, holub. Dove was a cukruvka.
                                         Darwin
            • J.D. Kotrla-Chipps
              I m not sure of the spelling, but I remember toddlers being told, Pocash pupek , meaning show your belly button . Hanjak was used as a derogatory word for
              Message 6 of 25 , Apr 8, 2005
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                I'm not sure of the spelling, but I remember toddlers being told, "Pocash pupek", meaning "show your belly button".

                "Hanjak" was used as a derogatory word for a pest, or rascal, or worse.  In other words, not a desirable person.


              • Dolores Miller
                Man that pocash pupek and hanjak does ring some bells. Although my oldest son knows some Czech words and phrases, my other three sons all know pupek and
                Message 7 of 25 , Apr 9, 2005
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                  Man that pocash pupek and hanjak does ring some bells.  Although my oldest son knows some Czech words and phrases, my other three sons all know "pupek" and "hanjak".  I taught them the pupek thing they just picked up the hanjak.  Thanks for the memory.
                  Dolores

                  "J.D. Kotrla-Chipps" <jdkc@...> wrote:
                  I'm not sure of the spelling, but I remember toddlers being told, "Pocash pupek", meaning "show your belly button".

                  "Hanjak" was used as a derogatory word for a pest, or rascal, or worse.  In other words, not a desirable person.




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                • Dolores Miller
                  In Granger, a holub was a pidgeon. Mother used to make holub soup. It was very good. I have a friend, Rose Ann Parma, who cooks a lot of Czech dishes. Her
                  Message 8 of 25 , Apr 9, 2005
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                    In Granger, a holub was a pidgeon.  Mother used to make holub soup.  It was very good.
                    I have a friend, Rose Ann Parma, who cooks a lot of Czech dishes.  Her e-mail address is babiparma@....  The babi is for babicka(spelling) one of the Czech names of grandmother, the other being. straricka(spelling). Rose Anne and I call each other, Stara Baba,
                    old lady, of course we are only 39 and holding.. 
                    Dolores


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                    for holub- we want to use dove, not pigeon.

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                  • Dolores Miller
                    Darvin, I think you are correct. Are the Darvin Machu from Granger/Taylor area? I seem to remember the name, not the face. Dolores Velicka Miller
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                      Darvin, I think you are correct.  Are the Darvin Machu from Granger/Taylor area?  I seem to remember the name, not the face.
                      Dolores Velicka Miller

                      dlmachu1@... wrote:
                      Ahoj
                             Kiska with a hook on the s,  is clabber. Krivak with a hook on the r, is pocket knife. Kleca  is chicken coop. Kurnik is chicken house.
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                    • Andikat@aol.com
                      Finally one I can relate to! I remember my grandmother referring to the belly button as a pupek too. Andrea In a message dated 4/9/05 12:29:44 AM Central
                      Message 10 of 25 , Apr 9, 2005
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                        Finally one I can relate to!  I remember my grandmother referring to the belly button as a "pupek" too.
                         
                        Andrea
                         
                        In a message dated 4/9/05 12:29:44 AM Central Daylight Time, jdkc@... writes:
                        I'm not sure of the spelling, but I remember toddlers being told, "Pocash pupek", meaning "show your belly button".
                      • dlmachu1@aol.com
                        Hi Delores Yes I am from Granger, I graduated in 1948. I think that you were a year ahead of me. I also remember your name but can not put a face to it. Darwin
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                          Hi Delores
                                 Yes I am from Granger, I graduated in 1948. I think that you were a year ahead of me. I also remember your name but can not put a face to it.
                                                     Darwin
                        • Dolores Miller
                          Dear Marvin, you are correct, I graduated in 1947 but not from Granger High. After graduating from Catholic School, I went a short while to a Catholic
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                            Dear Marvin, you are correct, I graduated in 1947 but not from Granger High.  After graduating from Catholic School, I went a short while to a Catholic boarding school in Austin.  I was not happy there, so my parents allowed me to go to GHS.  We moved the summer following my Sophmore year, hence I graduated from Taylor High School and then went on to Southwester University. I was in Granger for the 100th Anniversary of the Catholic School and saw a lot of old classmates.  Nice of you to confirm my memory. 
                             
                            Dolores

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                                   Yes I am from Granger, I graduated in 1948. I think that you were a year ahead of me. I also remember your name but can not put a face to it.
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                          • Nangotoo
                            You know what really be helpful? For us poor uneducated Czech and Moravians, could you Czech speakers also include an English sounding out of the word when
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                              You know what really be helpful?  For us poor uneducated Czech and Moravians, could you Czech speakers also include an English sounding out of the word when you show the word?  How do you actually say--ogar?  What do the words sound like so we can learn how to say them?  I don't know what the accents and marks sound like or how they change the sound of a letter.  Well, to be honest, I don't even know what the letters in the alphabets sound like.  So could you break them down for us?  Nan
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                               young boy                               ogar
                              not know actual meaning           hanjak 
                               broomweed                             metlice
                               grandpa                                 staricek   
                               grandma                                starenka
                               snake                                    had           
                               chicken                                 kure       
                                chicken house                      kurinec (sp)     
                               pigeon                                  holub
                              to gin cotton                          gnovat
                              cotton                                    bavlna
                              bull                                       býk 
                              cow                                        krava
                              herd                                        dobytek
                              postoffice                                posta
                              field                                        pole
                              turkey                                    ? don't think it was kruta
                              road                                        cesta
                              town                                        mesto
                              upstairs                                    na hore
                               
                               
                               


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                            • Zdenek Malcik
                              Hello Nan, I can prepare files (mp3-data format), how actually sound some words in Czech (Moravian). Should I send these words to this group? (question: with
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                                Hello Nan,

                                I can prepare files (mp3-data format), how actually
                                sound some words in Czech (Moravian). Should I send
                                these words to this group? (question: with or without
                                accent - haceks and carkas, or only without "R with
                                accent"). I send as a attachment "ogar", this word is
                                troublefree.
                                Do you know word cerka, cerecka or dcerka for young
                                girl in Vallachia? (it sounds like tsa:rk� ...? "r"
                                as in red)

                                Zdenek

                                --- Nangotoo <nangotoo@...> wrote:
                                > You know what really be helpful? For us poor
                                > uneducated Czech and Moravians, could you Czech
                                > speakers also include an English sounding out of the
                                > word when you show the word? How do you actually
                                > say--ogar? What do the words sound like so we can
                                > learn how to say them? I don't know what the
                                > accents and marks sound like or how they change the
                                > sound of a letter. Well, to be honest, I don't even
                                > know what the letters in the alphabets sound like.
                                > So could you break them down for us? Nan
                                >
                                >
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                                > young boy ogar
                                > not know actual meaning hanjak
                                > broomweed metlice
                                > grandpa staricek
                                >
                                > grandma starenka
                                > snake had
                                >
                                > chicken kure
                                >
                                > chicken house kurinec (sp)
                                >
                                > pigeon holub
                                > to gin cotton gnovat
                                > cotton bavlna
                                > bull b�k
                                > cow krava
                                > herd
                                > dobytek
                                > postoffice posta
                                > field pole
                                > turkey ? don't
                                > think it was kruta
                                > road cesta
                                > town mesto
                                > upstairs na
                                > hore


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                              • dennis svetlik
                                Hi Zdenek, This is an excellent idea. The diacritical marks should be included on all the words. Also, you might consider including the Czech alphabet to
                                Message 15 of 25 , Apr 20, 2005
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                                  Hi Zdenek,
                                  This is an excellent idea. The diacritical marks
                                  should be included on all the words. Also, you might
                                  consider including the Czech alphabet to show the
                                  sounds of the letters(as well as "ch" and the
                                  diphthongs).
                                  Best regards,
                                  Dennis Svetlik
                                  --- Zdenek Malcik <zdenek_maki@...> wrote:
                                  > Hello Nan,
                                  >
                                  > I can prepare files (mp3-data format), how actually
                                  > sound some words in Czech (Moravian). Should I send
                                  > these words to this group? (question: with or
                                  > without
                                  > accent - haceks and carkas, or only without "R with
                                  > accent"). I send as a attachment "ogar", this word
                                  > is
                                  > troublefree.
                                  > Do you know word cerka, cerecka or dcerka for young
                                  > girl in Vallachia? (it sounds like tsa:rk� ...? "r"
                                  > as in red)
                                  >
                                  > Zdenek
                                  >
                                  > --- Nangotoo <nangotoo@...> wrote:
                                  > > You know what really be helpful? For us poor
                                  > > uneducated Czech and Moravians, could you Czech
                                  > > speakers also include an English sounding out of
                                  > the
                                  > > word when you show the word? How do you actually
                                  > > say--ogar? What do the words sound like so we can
                                  > > learn how to say them? I don't know what the
                                  > > accents and marks sound like or how they change
                                  > the
                                  > > sound of a letter. Well, to be honest, I don't
                                  > even
                                  > > know what the letters in the alphabets sound like.
                                  >
                                  > > So could you break them down for us? Nan
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  >
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                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > young boy ogar
                                  > > not know actual meaning hanjak
                                  > > broomweed metlice
                                  > > grandpa
                                  > staricek
                                  > >
                                  > > grandma starenka
                                  > > snake had
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  > > chicken kure
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  > > chicken house kurinec
                                  > (sp)
                                  > >
                                  > > pigeon holub
                                  > > to gin cotton gnovat
                                  > > cotton bavlna
                                  > > bull b�k
                                  > > cow krava
                                  > > herd
                                  > > dobytek
                                  > > postoffice posta
                                  > > field
                                  > pole
                                  > > turkey ?
                                  > don't
                                  > > think it was kruta
                                  > > road
                                  > cesta
                                  > > town
                                  > mesto
                                  > > upstairs na
                                  > > hore
                                  >
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                                • Zdenek Malcik
                                  Greetings to everyone: Here are some Walachian words - do you know any of these? : furt = always haluz = branch hen = there chrobak = beatle, chafer
                                  Message 16 of 25 , Apr 21, 2005
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                                    Greetings to everyone:

                                    Here are some Walachian words - do you know any of
                                    these? :
                                    furt = always
                                    haluz = branch
                                    hen = there
                                    chrobak = beatle, chafer (generally)
                                    chmura = worry
                                    jarek = groove, ditch
                                    klemra = coldness
                                    neskoro = late, later
                                    krivak = pocketknife
                                    plachta = bed sheet
                                    lata = patch, clout
                                    tata = father
                                    masik = pig
                                    vertuch = pinny, pinafore
                                    mrkva = carrot
                                    zufan = ladle, tablespoon
                                    ...
                                    ???

                                    Zdenek Malcik
                                    Brno, Moravia


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                                  • Zdenek Malcik
                                    Greetings to everyone, I create new folder: 07 Texan and Moravian words (Czech alphabet and some words in Czech sounding) There are in MP3 format: - czech
                                    Message 17 of 25 , Apr 21, 2005
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                                      Greetings to everyone,

                                      I create new folder: 07 Texan and Moravian words
                                      (Czech alphabet and some words in Czech sounding)
                                      There are in MP3 format:
                                      - czech alphabets
                                      - old Texan words from you in Czech sounding
                                      - some other Moravian words or sentences in Czech
                                      sounding

                                      To get to the files area, log onto
                                      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/texasczechs/.

                                      I hope that help you.

                                      Zdenek Malcik
                                      Brno, Moravia



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                                    • Dolores Miller
                                      Dobre Den, I only recognized two words, Krivak=pocketknife and tata=father. Isn t there a slight difference between Czech and Moravian words? Spanem Bohem,
                                      Message 18 of 25 , Apr 22, 2005
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                                        Dobre Den, I only recognized two words, Krivak=pocketknife and tata=father.  Isn't there a slight difference between Czech and Moravian words?
                                        Spanem Bohem, Dolores Velicka Miller

                                        Zdenek Malcik <zdenek_maki@...> wrote:
                                        Greetings to everyone:

                                        Here are some Walachian words - do you know any of
                                        these? :
                                        furt = always
                                        haluz = branch
                                        hen = there
                                        chrobak = beatle, chafer (generally)
                                        chmura = worry
                                        jarek = groove, ditch
                                        klemra = coldness
                                        neskoro = late, later
                                        krivak = pocketknife
                                        plachta = bed sheet
                                        lata = patch, clout
                                        tata = father
                                        masik = pig
                                        vertuch = pinny, pinafore
                                        mrkva = carrot
                                        zufan = ladle, tablespoon
                                        ...
                                        ???

                                        Zdenek Malcik
                                        Brno, Moravia


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                                      • Tim Dybala
                                        That s how this thread got started....the difference between Czech and Moravian words (and TexCzech!) ... From: Dolores Miller
                                        Message 19 of 25 , Apr 22, 2005
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                                          That's how this thread got started....the difference between Czech
                                          and Moravian words (and TexCzech!)


                                          ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
                                          From: Dolores Miller <texassanta5@...>
                                          Reply-To: TexasCzechs@yahoogroups.com
                                          Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:48:07 -0700 (PDT)

                                          >Dobre Den, I only recognized two words, Krivak=pocketknife and
                                          tata=father. Isn't there a slight difference between Czech and
                                          Moravian words?
                                          >Spanem Bohem, Dolores Velicka Miller
                                          >
                                          >Zdenek Malcik <zdenek_maki@...> wrote:
                                          >Greetings to everyone:
                                          >
                                          >Here are some Walachian words - do you know any of
                                          >these? :
                                          >furt = always
                                          >haluz = branch
                                          >hen = there
                                          >chrobak = beatle, chafer (generally)
                                          >chmura = worry
                                          >jarek = groove, ditch
                                          >klemra = coldness
                                          >neskoro = late, later
                                          >krivak = pocketknife
                                          >plachta = bed sheet
                                          >lata = patch, clout
                                          >tata = father
                                          >masik = pig
                                          >vertuch = pinny, pinafore
                                          >mrkva = carrot
                                          >zufan = ladle, tablespoon
                                          >...
                                          >???
                                          >
                                          >Zdenek Malcik
                                          >Brno, Moravia
                                          >
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                                        • Leroy Janda
                                          Two that my grandpa used all the time poslouchate Listen dejte pozor Be careful others reva river - instead of reka clun
                                          Message 20 of 25 , Apr 23, 2005
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                                            Two that my grandpa used all the time

                                            poslouchate Listen
                                            dejte pozor Be careful

                                            others
                                            reva river - instead of reka
                                            clun boat
                                            kostel church
                                            karu automobile instead of auto

                                            cannot remember "pond" did not user rybnik or jezero
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