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  • Mike Taylor
    ... Thanks for this invitation, Seth, I d been hoping for an opportunity to advertise :-) ... My name is Mike Taylor; I am an independent consultant/developer
    Message 1 of 26 , Jun 1, 2005
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      > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 01:36:02 -0400
      > From: "Seth Earley" <seth@...>
      >
      > Perhaps we can send a brief introduction to the list in order to
      > know who we have in our community and what people are most
      > interested in.

      Thanks for this invitation, Seth, I'd been hoping for an opportunity
      to advertise :-)

      > Who are you?
      > Where do you work? (type and size of company if you don't want to
      > specifically name the organization)
      > What are your current challenges or what areas of taxonomy
      > development, application or management are you most interested in?

      My name is Mike Taylor; I am an independent consultant/developer
      specialising in interoperability between indepedently implemented
      systems -- something that is best achieved by adherence to standard
      specifications, whether formally ratified national/international
      standards or just community agreements.

      My entrance to the world of taxonomy was through being the principal
      author on the Zthes initiative (zthes.z3950.org), which provides a
      suite of vendor-neutral specifications to do with representing
      thesauri, and with searching and navigating them remotely.

      Significant among these specification are:

      - The Zthes XML DTD, for expressing taxonomies as XML, enabling their
      exchange between various thesaurus management packages:
      http://zthes.z3950.org/xml/

      - The Zthes Profile for SRW, which specifies the form of a web-service
      by which client software can search and navigate a thesaurus
      maintained on a remote server:
      http://zthes.z3950.org/srw/zthes-srw-0.5.html

      - The Zthes Profile for Z39.50, similar to the SRW version but using
      a different, older, transport mechanism for the requests and
      responses:
      http://zthes.z3950.org/profile/zthes-05.html

      I am actively looking for work in the area of taxonomy representation,
      interoperability, searching and navigation. Because I am a sole
      trader and don't have the overheads of running a company, my rates are
      competitive. Please get in touch if I can help with your projects.

      Thanks,

      _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________
      /o ) \/ Mike Taylor <mike@...> http://www.miketaylor.org.uk
      )_v__/\ "Controlling complexity is the essence of computer programming"
      -- Brian Kernigan.

      --
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    • Marcia Morante
      Good idea, Seth. I m Marcia Morante, and I ve been doing content organization work for more than 20 years. My educational background is library / information
      Message 2 of 26 , Jun 1, 2005
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        Good idea, Seth.

         

        I’m Marcia Morante, and I’ve been doing content organization work for more than 20 years.  My educational background is library / information science.  After working in technical and managerial capacities for several full text search companies, including Verity, Autonomy and others, I moved into consulting - developing and directing the taxonomy consulting practice at Sageware and then founding my own services company called KCurve that focuses on the problems related to the cost, effort and frustration associated with finding information on the Web.  Right now, I’m particularly interested in the usability and governance issues associated with various types of vocabularies. 

         

        I’m looking forward to making a contribution to this community.

         

        Marcia

         

        Marcia Morante

        KCurve, Inc.

        (718)881-5915

        (917)821-2087 – mobile

        http://kcurve.com

         

         


        From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Earley
        Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 1:36 AM
        To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [TaxoCoP] Introductions

         

        Perhaps we can send a brief introduction to the list in order to know who we
        have in our community and what people are most interested in.

        Who are you?
        Where do you work? (type and size of company if you don't want to
        specifically name the organization)
        What are your current challenges or what areas of taxonomy development,
        application or management are you most interested in?




      • Seth Earley
        Thanks for breaking the ice Marcia. ;-) Others? Seth ... From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Marcia Morante Sent:
        Message 3 of 26 , Jun 1, 2005
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          Thanks for breaking the ice Marcia.  ;-) 
           
          Others?
           

          Seth  

           -----Original Message-----
          From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Marcia Morante
          Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 9:27 AM
          To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [TaxoCoP] Introductions

          Good idea, Seth.

           

          I’m Marcia Morante, and I’ve been doing content organization work for more than 20 years.  My educational background is library / information science.  After working in technical and managerial capacities for several full text search companies, including Verity, Autonomy and others, I moved into consulting - developing and directing the taxonomy consulting practice at Sageware and then founding my own services company called KCurve that focuses on the problems related to the cost, effort and frustration associated with finding information on the Web.  Right now, I’m particularly interested in the usability and governance issues associated with various types of vocabularies. 

           

          I’m looking forward to making a contribution to this community.

           

          Marcia

           

          Marcia Morante

          KCurve, Inc.

          (718)881-5915

          (917)821-2087 – mobile

          http://kcurve.com

           

           


          From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Earley
          Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 1:36 AM
          To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [TaxoCoP] Introductions

           

          Perhaps we can send a brief introduction to the list in order to know who we
          have in our community and what people are most interested in.

          Who are you?
          Where do you work? (type and size of company if you don't want to
          specifically name the organization)
          What are your current challenges or what areas of taxonomy development,
          application or management are you most interested in?




        • Seth Earley
          Thanks Mike, Glad to help get the word out. For those of you who did not attend my taxo integration call in April, Mike spoke about the Zthes XML standard for
          Message 4 of 26 , Jun 1, 2005
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            Thanks Mike,

            Glad to help get the word out.

            For those of you who did not attend my taxo integration call in April, Mike
            spoke about the Zthes XML standard for thesauri.

            When considering integration and application of taxonomies (taxos don't live
            in a vacuum as we know) a standard way of communicating between systems is
            important to facilitate interoperability without having to write un
            necessary transformations of the XML.

            Having a standard way of representing taxonomies and thesaurus structures in
            XML makes a great deal of sense so that if I create a taxo, you can import
            and apply it without a lot of manual intervention.

            Mike, am I oversimplifying here?

            Seth

            -----Original Message-----
            From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
            Of Mike Taylor
            Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:12 AM
            To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Introductions


            > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 01:36:02 -0400
            > From: "Seth Earley" <seth@...>
            >
            > Perhaps we can send a brief introduction to the list in order to
            > know who we have in our community and what people are most
            > interested in.

            Thanks for this invitation, Seth, I'd been hoping for an opportunity
            to advertise :-)

            > Who are you?
            > Where do you work? (type and size of company if you don't want to
            > specifically name the organization)
            > What are your current challenges or what areas of taxonomy
            > development, application or management are you most interested in?

            My name is Mike Taylor; I am an independent consultant/developer
            specialising in interoperability between indepedently implemented
            systems -- something that is best achieved by adherence to standard
            specifications, whether formally ratified national/international
            standards or just community agreements.

            My entrance to the world of taxonomy was through being the principal
            author on the Zthes initiative (zthes.z3950.org), which provides a
            suite of vendor-neutral specifications to do with representing
            thesauri, and with searching and navigating them remotely.

            Significant among these specification are:

            - The Zthes XML DTD, for expressing taxonomies as XML, enabling their
            exchange between various thesaurus management packages:
            http://zthes.z3950.org/xml/

            - The Zthes Profile for SRW, which specifies the form of a web-service
            by which client software can search and navigate a thesaurus
            maintained on a remote server:
            http://zthes.z3950.org/srw/zthes-srw-0.5.html

            - The Zthes Profile for Z39.50, similar to the SRW version but using
            a different, older, transport mechanism for the requests and
            responses:
            http://zthes.z3950.org/profile/zthes-05.html

            I am actively looking for work in the area of taxonomy representation,
            interoperability, searching and navigation. Because I am a sole
            trader and don't have the overheads of running a company, my rates are
            competitive. Please get in touch if I can help with your projects.

            Thanks,

            _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________
            /o ) \/ Mike Taylor <mike@...> http://www.miketaylor.org.uk
            )_v__/\ "Controlling complexity is the essence of computer programming"
            -- Brian Kernigan.

            --
            Listen to free demos of soundtrack music for film, TV and radio
            http://www.pipedreaming.org.uk/soundtrack/





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          • Mike Taylor
            ... Thanks, Seth, much appreciated! ... No, you ve summarised it very neatly. Your buzzword-free explanation is a nice antidote to the way I presented it in
            Message 5 of 26 , Jun 1, 2005
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              > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:33:33 -0400
              > From: "Seth Earley" <seth@...>
              >
              > Glad to help get the word out.

              Thanks, Seth, much appreciated!

              > For those of you who did not attend my taxo integration call in
              > April, Mike spoke about the Zthes XML standard for thesauri.
              >
              > When considering integration and application of taxonomies (taxos
              > don't live in a vacuum as we know) a standard way of communicating
              > between systems is important to facilitate interoperability without
              > having to write un necessary transformations of the XML.
              >
              > Having a standard way of representing taxonomies and thesaurus
              > structures in XML makes a great deal of sense so that if I create a
              > taxo, you can import and apply it without a lot of manual
              > intervention.
              >
              > Mike, am I oversimplifying here?

              No, you've summarised it very neatly. Your buzzword-free explanation
              is a nice antidote to the way I presented it in my own message :-)

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            • Nancy Allison
              Hello, everyone. I am Nancy Allison, a freelance technical writer with about 20 years experience. I have worked in many industries in and around Boston. I m
              Message 6 of 26 , Jun 1, 2005
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                Hello, everyone.

                I am Nancy Allison, a freelance technical writer with about 20 years' experience. I have worked in many industries in and around Boston. I'm currently working at a financial services company that participates in the trade processing cycle (the communications that happen between buyer, seller, broker, custodian bank, etc., etc., when stocks and bonds are bought and sold).

                I am very interested in taxonomy and content management because I'm looking ahead to the next 20 years of my work life. While I enjoy technical writing, I want to deepen my technical knowledge and skills and move into higher-level strategy. In addition to being able to create content, I'd like to know how to manage it.

                Concurrently with attending Seth's webinars (which were a great introduction, by the way!), I began taking an HTML course, and I plan to go on to courses in CSSS, Javascript, XML, XSL, XSLT, etc., etc. -- all the underpinnings of content reuse and management. Naturally, I want to get a grip on taxonomy itself, as well!

                As you can see, my plate is full. How I will finally focus all this new knowledge in a set of practical job skills is something I contemplate quite frequently!

                --Nancy
              • Donna Slawsky
                Hi. I m Donna Slawsky, Manager of Indexing and Taxonomy for Scholastic Online Digital Archive (SODA). Scholastic Inc., is the largest publisher of books and
                Message 7 of 26 , Jun 1, 2005
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                  Hi. I'm Donna Slawsky, Manager of Indexing and
                  Taxonomy for Scholastic Online Digital Archive (SODA).
                  Scholastic Inc., is the largest publisher of books
                  and media for children and employs 1000s of people all
                  over the world.

                  I started as a part-timer 5 years ago and now work a
                  30 hour week (with full benefits -- it's the best!).

                  I've had 20 years of experience as a librarian working
                  in the book publishing industry, including a past life
                  as director of the HarperCollins Information Center.

                  I came to taxonomy development by serendipity, having
                  worked for a start-up internet company for one year as
                  director of content development. We set up a taxonomy
                  of goods and services and well, the rest is history.

                  I manage photos & illustrations in SODA, acquiring,
                  loading assets, indexing, managing the thesaurus of
                  keywords, taxonomy of "browse topics," and assisting
                  users in searching the digital asset management system
                  we've been using for the past 4 years -- Quark DMS.
                  We've been unhappy with this product and are now
                  migrating everything to another software product,
                  MediaBank (from WAVE corp.).

                  Our biggest challenge now is that MediaBank has no
                  facility for managing the thesaurus of keywords.
                  Therefore, we'd need to integrate with a thesaurus
                  software package. We've spoken to many of these
                  companies, but with almost no money in the budget for
                  development next year, it's not going to happen for at
                  least another year.

                  Therefore, I'll be making do with the free-text
                  keyword field in MediaBank, cutting and pasting from
                  an externally maintained thesaurus.

                  The job is challenging and interesting. I do love
                  working with pictures and helping users.

                  Nice to meet you all.

                  Donna Slawsky
                  212-343-7716 (office)



                  --- Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:

                  > Perhaps we can send a brief introduction to the list
                  > in order to know who we
                  > have in our community and what people are most
                  > interested in.
                  >
                  > Who are you?
                  > Where do you work? (type and size of company if you
                  > don't want to
                  > specifically name the organization)
                  > What are your current challenges or what areas of
                  > taxonomy development,
                  > application or management are you most interested
                  > in?
                  >
                  >
                  > Most of you already know who I am - I have been
                  > doing taxo work for the past
                  > 12 years and help companies with taxonomy
                  > development integrated with
                  > content and knowledge strategies. I have a several
                  > person consulting firm
                  > based in Needham, Massachusetts (just outside of
                  > Boston.) I am founder of
                  > this group and also host monthly conference calls on
                  > taxonomy related
                  > topics.
                  >
                  > I am currently working on a book on taxonomy
                  > development and application
                  > with Wendi Pohs, chief taxonomist at IBM and will be
                  > looking for interesting
                  > case studies for publication. Please drop me a note
                  > if you would like to
                  > participate in developing a case study. I am also
                  > looking for presenters
                  > for the monthly call series.
                  >
                  > Seth
                  >
                  > Seth Earley
                  > Earley & Associates, Inc
                  > 781-444-0287
                  > 781-820-8080 cell
                  > www.earley.com
                  >
                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                  > [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
                  > Of Janice M Herd
                  > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:47 AM
                  > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Off-the-shelf taxonomies
                  >
                  >
                  > There are hundreds of taxonomies, controlled
                  > vocabularies, thesauri, and
                  > classification systems maintained by federal
                  > government agencies and by
                  > information database industry. First, you will want
                  > to identify the subject
                  > domain you need. Secondly, you want to identify the
                  > taxonomies that match
                  > closest to that domain.
                  > Since the content you are representing is not
                  > exactly like the content for
                  > which the taxonomy was created you will always have
                  > to spend time to delete
                  > or add necessary changes to the taxonomy. Just like
                  > COTS software, it fits
                  > the need almost!
                  > Since taxonomies must always be maintained, changed,
                  > and grown the need to
                  > adapt to different content is part of the ongoing
                  > work.
                  >
                  >
                  > Jan Herd
                  > Business Reference Librarian
                  > Science, Technology & Business Division
                  > The Library of Congress
                  > Washington, D.C. 20540
                  > Tel. 202 707-1216
                  > Fax 202 707-1925
                  > >>> eric@... 05/21/05 10:55 PM >>>
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >




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                • Layton, Charles F
                  I m Chuck Layton. I work for Northwest Airlines in Information Services, supporting Technical Operations (the maintenance side of the house). I have a
                  Message 8 of 26 , Jun 2, 2005
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                    I'm Chuck Layton.  I work for Northwest Airlines in Information Services, supporting Technical Operations (the maintenance side of the house).  I have a doctorate in Cognitive Systems Engineering, so my background is human factors.  Although, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that given the fundamental questions I have below... :-)
                     
                    We are just starting to implement a portal (IBM WebSphere) and an XML-native content management system (X-Hive Docato).  The CMS will house all of our maintenance manuals and work instructions.  Fortunately, our documents are very highly structured and carry good metadata.
                     
                    I'm new to this and have been lurking up until now.
                     
                    I've just started building the taxonomies and ran into a rather basic question with regard to term relations.  Suppose I have the terms "make", "model", and "series" and to use an automotive analogy, I have the following instances:
                    make = Ford, model = Ranger, and series = XLT
                    make = Ford, model = Ranger, and series = XL
                    make = Chevrolet, model = Silverado, and series = 1500
                    make = Chevrolet, model = Colorado, and series = ALL
                    etc.
                     
                    Is it correct to have series as a narrower term for model, and model as a narrower term for make?  Or are they merely related terms?
                     
                    Likewise, is Ford a narrower term for make?  (and for that matter Ranger for model, and XLT for series?)
                     
                    I would think that having Ranger as a narrower term for Ford, and XLT as a narrower term for Ranger is okay.  But what if I have two different makes and models with the same series (e.g. the wonderful term "ALL")?
                     
                    Finally, what would you do with a term like "fleet", which represents a combination of make, model, and series?
                     
                    I keep thinking of the object-oriented programming approach to this, which would define hierarchical classes and instances within those classes...
                     
                    Sorry to ask such elementary questions.  Feel free to suggest a book or two that I should read.
                     
                    Thank you in advance for your help!
                    Chuck
                  • Seth Earley
                    MessageHi Chuck, Great question. Here are my thoughts. XLT is a type of Ranger Ranger is a type of Ford Ford is a type of Make Similarly Ranger is a type of
                    Message 9 of 26 , Jun 2, 2005
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                      Hi Chuck,
                       
                      Great question. 
                       
                      Here are my thoughts. 
                       
                      XLT is a type of Ranger
                      Ranger is a type of Ford
                      Ford is a type of Make
                       
                      Similarly Ranger is a type of Model and XLT is a type of Series.
                       
                      So the BT and NT relations can be thought of in this way. 
                       
                      You can also think of Make, Model and Series as facets (separate metadata fields) when you are tagging documents. 
                       
                      This really depends on how you will apply the terms to tagging in your CMS or portal.  When tagging a document, will you have users navigate the hierarchy and choose Ranger and imply "Ford" or will Ford and Ranger be separate metadata as Make and Model?
                       
                      The question of how to treat "all" is a good one - should it 'live' in each series category?  I would say yes. 
                       
                      Other perspectives? 
                       
                      Seth
                       
                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Layton, Charles F
                      Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:18 PM
                      To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: RE: [TaxoCoP] Introductions

                      I'm Chuck Layton.  I work for Northwest Airlines in Information Services, supporting Technical Operations (the maintenance side of the house).  I have a doctorate in Cognitive Systems Engineering, so my background is human factors.  Although, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that given the fundamental questions I have below... :-)
                       
                      We are just starting to implement a portal (IBM WebSphere) and an XML-native content management system (X-Hive Docato).  The CMS will house all of our maintenance manuals and work instructions.  Fortunately, our documents are very highly structured and carry good metadata.
                       
                      I'm new to this and have been lurking up until now.
                       
                      I've just started building the taxonomies and ran into a rather basic question with regard to term relations.  Suppose I have the terms "make", "model", and "series" and to use an automotive analogy, I have the following instances:
                      make = Ford, model = Ranger, and series = XLT
                      make = Ford, model = Ranger, and series = XL
                      make = Chevrolet, model = Silverado, and series = 1500
                      make = Chevrolet, model = Colorado, and series = ALL
                      etc.
                       
                      Is it correct to have series as a narrower term for model, and model as a narrower term for make?  Or are they merely related terms?
                       
                      Likewise, is Ford a narrower term for make?  (and for that matter Ranger for model, and XLT for series?)
                       
                      I would think that having Ranger as a narrower term for Ford, and XLT as a narrower term for Ranger is okay.  But what if I have two different makes and models with the same series (e.g. the wonderful term "ALL")?
                       
                      Finally, what would you do with a term like "fleet", which represents a combination of make, model, and series?
                       
                      I keep thinking of the object-oriented programming approach to this, which would define hierarchical classes and instances within those classes...
                       
                      Sorry to ask such elementary questions.  Feel free to suggest a book or two that I should read.
                       
                      Thank you in advance for your help!
                      Chuck
                    • Layton, Charles F
                      Thank you Seth! Well, the documents are already tagged, so I have that going for me. ... They re tagged with the fleet (full set of make, model, and series).
                      Message 10 of 26 , Jun 2, 2005
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                        Thank you Seth!
                         
                        Well, the documents are already tagged, so I have that going for me.  :-)
                         
                        They're tagged with the "fleet" (full set of make, model, and series).
                         
                        We have a few different use cases in mind.  One involves browsing, in which case they'll start at the top of the hierarchy with 'make', and drill down to specific documents.  Another use case is starting with something like a fault code and searching for all documents related to that code.  Finally, we envision starting with a particular part and finding all documents that reference the part, as well as identifying related parts.  Things really start to get interesting when parts are interchangeable.
                         
                        As you mentioned, I can you some data to imply other data (e.g. Ranger implies Ford), but things get a little messy lower in the tree when "All" doesn't really imply anything (likewise, XLT doesn't really Ranger, F150, F250, etc., because it is used on each of those models).
                         
                        I was guessing that one of the answers was 'facets'.  Your comment provides me with a lot of insight into how facets work in practice.  Great!
                         
                        Chuck
                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Earley
                        Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:00 PM
                        To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: RE: [TaxoCoP] Introductions

                        Hi Chuck,
                         
                        Great question. 
                         
                        Here are my thoughts. 
                         
                        XLT is a type of Ranger
                        Ranger is a type of Ford
                        Ford is a type of Make
                         
                        Similarly Ranger is a type of Model and XLT is a type of Series.
                         
                        So the BT and NT relations can be thought of in this way. 
                         
                        You can also think of Make, Model and Series as facets (separate metadata fields) when you are tagging documents. 
                         
                        This really depends on how you will apply the terms to tagging in your CMS or portal.  When tagging a document, will you have users navigate the hierarchy and choose Ranger and imply "Ford" or will Ford and Ranger be separate metadata as Make and Model?
                         
                        The question of how to treat "all" is a good one - should it 'live' in each series category?  I would say yes. 
                         
                        Other perspectives? 
                         
                        Seth
                         
                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Layton, Charles F
                        Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:18 PM
                        To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: RE: [TaxoCoP] Introductions

                        I'm Chuck Layton.  I work for Northwest Airlines in Information Services, supporting Technical Operations (the maintenance side of the house).  I have a doctorate in Cognitive Systems Engineering, so my background is human factors.  Although, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that given the fundamental questions I have below... :-)
                         
                        We are just starting to implement a portal (IBM WebSphere) and an XML-native content management system (X-Hive Docato).  The CMS will house all of our maintenance manuals and work instructions.  Fortunately, our documents are very highly structured and carry good metadata.
                         
                        I'm new to this and have been lurking up until now.
                         
                        I've just started building the taxonomies and ran into a rather basic question with regard to term relations.  Suppose I have the terms "make", "model", and "series" and to use an automotive analogy, I have the following instances:
                        make = Ford, model = Ranger, and series = XLT
                        make = Ford, model = Ranger, and series = XL
                        make = Chevrolet, model = Silverado, and series = 1500
                        make = Chevrolet, model = Colorado, and series = ALL
                        etc.
                         
                        Is it correct to have series as a narrower term for model, and model as a narrower term for make?  Or are they merely related terms?
                         
                        Likewise, is Ford a narrower term for make?  (and for that matter Ranger for model, and XLT for series?)
                         
                        I would think that having Ranger as a narrower term for Ford, and XLT as a narrower term for Ranger is okay.  But what if I have two different makes and models with the same series (e.g. the wonderful term "ALL")?
                         
                        Finally, what would you do with a term like "fleet", which represents a combination of make, model, and series?
                         
                        I keep thinking of the object-oriented programming approach to this, which would define hierarchical classes and instances within those classes...
                         
                        Sorry to ask such elementary questions.  Feel free to suggest a book or two that I should read.
                         
                        Thank you in advance for your help!
                        Chuck
                      • keshavamurthy.rajgopal@wipro.com
                        Hi, Nice to be part of a great team! I am Keshav from Bangalore,INDIA. I lead the Knowledge Management Practice at Wipro Technologies, an India based global IT
                        Message 11 of 26 , Jun 2, 2005
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                          Hi,

                          Nice to be part of a great team!

                          I am Keshav from Bangalore,INDIA. I lead the Knowledge Management
                          Practice at Wipro Technologies, an India based global IT Services
                          company. I have a masters in business administration and a bachelors in
                          Engineering.

                          In 2001, I was part of a successful internal KM initiative at Wipro,
                          where I cam in touch with Taxonomy. Over a period of 3 months, we
                          designed our taxonomy to support the KM initiative. Since then I have
                          developed interest and have been working with taxonomies from the
                          perspective of KM, Enterprise Reuse etc.

                          Best Regards
                          Keshav.


                          Keshavamurthy Rajgopal
                          Practice Lead - Knowledge Management
                          ________________________________

                          Wipro Technologies, Bangalore, INDIA
                          Tel : 91-80-5138 1138 (Direct)
                          91-80-25502001 x 2048
                          Cell: 91-80-98458-04871
                          Fax: 91-80-25502160


                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                          Of Seth Earley
                          Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 11:06 AM
                          To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [TaxoCoP] Introductions

                          Perhaps we can send a brief introduction to the list in order to know
                          who we have in our community and what people are most interested in.

                          Who are you?
                          Where do you work? (type and size of company if you don't want to
                          specifically name the organization) What are your current challenges or
                          what areas of taxonomy development, application or management are you
                          most interested in?


                          Most of you already know who I am - I have been doing taxo work for the
                          past
                          12 years and help companies with taxonomy development integrated with
                          content and knowledge strategies. I have a several person consulting
                          firm based in Needham, Massachusetts (just outside of Boston.) I am
                          founder of this group and also host monthly conference calls on taxonomy
                          related topics.

                          I am currently working on a book on taxonomy development and application
                          with Wendi Pohs, chief taxonomist at IBM and will be looking for
                          interesting case studies for publication. Please drop me a note if you
                          would like to participate in developing a case study. I am also looking
                          for presenters for the monthly call series.

                          Seth

                          Seth Earley
                          Earley & Associates, Inc
                          781-444-0287
                          781-820-8080 cell
                          www.earley.com


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                          From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
                          Of Janice M Herd
                          Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:47 AM
                          To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Off-the-shelf taxonomies


                          There are hundreds of taxonomies, controlled vocabularies, thesauri, and
                          classification systems maintained by federal government agencies and by
                          information database industry. First, you will want to identify the
                          subject domain you need. Secondly, you want to identify the taxonomies
                          that match closest to that domain.
                          Since the content you are representing is not exactly like the content
                          for which the taxonomy was created you will always have to spend time to
                          delete or add necessary changes to the taxonomy. Just like COTS
                          software, it fits the need almost!
                          Since taxonomies must always be maintained, changed, and grown the need
                          to adapt to different content is part of the ongoing work.


                          Jan Herd
                          Business Reference Librarian
                          Science, Technology & Business Division
                          The Library of Congress
                          Washington, D.C. 20540
                          Tel. 202 707-1216
                          Fax 202 707-1925
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                        • Heather Hedden
                          Hi, I m Heather Hedden. I m an freelance/contractor/consultant in indexing, taxonomies, controlled vocabularies, thesauri, and also some web site information
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                            Hi, I'm Heather Hedden.
                            I'm an freelance/contractor/consultant in indexing, taxonomies,
                            controlled vocabularies, thesauri, and also some web site information
                            architecture.

                            I was a vocabulary editor (for controlled vocabularies, thesauri, and
                            taxonomies) at the reference publisher Thomson Gale for 7 years
                            following 3 years as database indexer there. After getting laid off
                            there in February 2004, I'm hoping to apply my skills in this area as
                            an independent contractor.

                            I'm also interested in promoting interest in A-Z indexes for web sites
                            and intranets. I reactivated and now head the Web Indexing Special
                            Interest Group of the American Society of Indexers,
                            www.web-indexing.org, and I am offering online training in how to
                            create HTML A-Z indexes.

                            Heather Hedden
                            Hedden Information Management
                            Carlisle, MA
                            http://www.hedden-information.com
                          • Madonnalisa Gonzales-Chan
                            Who are you? Madonnalisa Gonzales-Chan Where do you work? (type and size of company if you don t want to specifically name the organization) I m an
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                              Who are you? Madonnalisa Gonzales-Chan

                              Where do you work? (type and size of company if you
                              don't want to specifically name the organization)
                              I'm an independent consultant/contractor in
                              information architecture
                              development(metadata,taxonomies,site
                              structures,search,user interface design)

                              What are your current challenges or what areas of
                              taxonomy development, application or management are
                              you most interested in?
                              Marketing the value of new methods for developing and
                              implementing metadata/taxonomies/new user interfaces
                              to promote better information management best
                              practices.

                              I'm pretty excited about this group especially since
                              I'm independent now and always craving to learn and
                              share.

                              Thanks,
                              Madonnalisa


                              Madonnalisa Gonzales-Chan
                              Independent Information Architect



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                            • Seth Earley
                              What a great name... Madonnalisa Gonzales-Chan... Welcome. Thank you for the others who have introduced themselves... We have a terrific diverse group. As
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                                What a great name... Madonnalisa Gonzales-Chan... Welcome.

                                Thank you for the others who have introduced themselves... We have a
                                terrific diverse group. As for you lurkers out there... You know who you
                                are... Don't make me name names... <smile>

                                Seth :-)

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                                From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
                                Of Madonnalisa Gonzales-Chan
                                Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:14 PM
                                To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Introductions


                                Who are you? Madonnalisa Gonzales-Chan

                                Where do you work? (type and size of company if you
                                don't want to specifically name the organization)
                                I'm an independent consultant/contractor in
                                information architecture
                                development(metadata,taxonomies,site
                                structures,search,user interface design)

                                What are your current challenges or what areas of
                                taxonomy development, application or management are
                                you most interested in?
                                Marketing the value of new methods for developing and
                                implementing metadata/taxonomies/new user interfaces
                                to promote better information management best
                                practices.

                                I'm pretty excited about this group especially since
                                I'm independent now and always craving to learn and
                                share.

                                Thanks,
                                Madonnalisa


                                Madonnalisa Gonzales-Chan
                                Independent Information Architect



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                              • deanna briggs
                                another blip on the metadata highway this evening... Who are you? Deanna Briggs Where do you work? (type and size of company if you don t want to specifically
                                Message 15 of 26 , Jun 8, 2005
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                                  another blip on the metadata highway this evening...

                                  Who are you? Deanna Briggs

                                  Where do you work? (type and size of company if you
                                  don't want to specifically name the organization)I'm
                                  at Copyright Clearance Center (Danvers, MA), where
                                  we're handing permissions processing in various ways,
                                  see http://www.copyright.com/. I think we're currently
                                  at about 180 or so folks. I'm in the area of data
                                  management.

                                  What are your current challenges or what areas of
                                  taxonomy development, application or management are
                                  you most interested in? You'll have to forgive me, but
                                  I'm actually not working on a taxonomy project at the
                                  moment, but it is an area I am still interested in and
                                  would like to keep tabs on, as it may crop up again in
                                  my working life. (I was working on one before my
                                  current stint.) I have used MultiTes quite a bit and
                                  have seen demos on many other products, but I'm not
                                  yet familiar with anything that screams "this is the
                                  greatest taxonomy software, better than sliced bread."
                                  I'm interested in the actual process of taxonomy
                                  development (how some organizations do it quickly,
                                  others very slowly and what are the differing results,
                                  as observed by developers, users, etc.). In my
                                  cataloging, I've used many different thesauri, so I'm
                                  also interested in their construction as well. And
                                  being a librarian, I wouldn't be human if I didn't
                                  mention my interest in how to sell the taxonomy to
                                  your organization (or other information services, for
                                  that matter).

                                  I'd probably be more talkative, but I just ended a
                                  whirlwind 3 day PERL class, so I'm on severe
                                  information overload.

                                  With that, I look forward to taxonomic sweet dreams!

                                  Deanna



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                                • WL Wong
                                  Hello, I am new to this list...I work at a university in Sydney, Australia. I now work mainly in online learning but I also manage a few department web sites
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Nov 22, 2006
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                                    Hello,

                                    I am new to this list...I work at a university in Sydney, Australia. I now work mainly in online learning but I also manage a few department web sites after spending a few years on the university's intranet project. Currently - researching/dealing with systems/metadata for learning objects.

                                    Cheers
                                    Wai-Leng
                                  • newsomzz
                                    Hello, Another newbie on the list. I am a librarian in the U.S and I manage a variety of web sites. Currently I am working with a group investigating the
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Nov 23, 2006
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                                      Hello,

                                      Another newbie on the list. I am a librarian in the U.S and I manage a
                                      variety of web sites. Currently I am working with a group
                                      investigating the overall navigability of all resources available from
                                      our library web site.

                                      Best,

                                      -Carrie

                                      --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, "WL Wong" <waileng9@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Hello,
                                      >
                                      > I am new to this list...I work at a university in Sydney, Australia.
                                    • Jessica McCurdy Crooks
                                      HAPPY THANKSGIVING to my American colleagues. Although we don t celebrate Thanksgiving in Jamaica, I m thankful for you all. Jessica Jessica McCurdy Crooks
                                      Message 18 of 26 , Nov 23, 2006
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                                        HAPPY THANKSGIVING to my American colleagues.

                                        Although we don't celebrate Thanksgiving in Jamaica, I'm thankful for you
                                        all.

                                        Jessica




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                                        Writer, Indexer, Proofreader, Information Specialist

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                                      • Beverly Slabosky
                                        Hello, I work for a technology consulting company, but taxonomy is not one of the services that we sell or recognize an opportunity for in projects. Does
                                        Message 19 of 26 , Jun 21, 2007
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                                          Hello,
                                          I work for a technology consulting company, but taxonomy is not one of the services that we sell or recognize an opportunity for in projects. Does anyone have a presentation on how to get sales people or anyone to recognize when there is a taxonomy component in a project? I am part of a taxonomy team, but no one knows what we do. We tend to get lost in the company politics and get taxonomy maintenance projects instead of consulting projects.
                                           
                                          Any suggestions?
                                           
                                          Thanks,
                                           
                                          Beverly


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                                        • Gardner, Mike
                                          Beverly The key is to get the message over as to what taxonomy delivers from a business perspective. The problem is that taxonomy on it s own delivers nothing
                                          Message 20 of 26 , Jun 22, 2007
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                                            Beverly
                                             
                                            The key is to get the message over as to what taxonomy delivers from a business perspective. The problem is that taxonomy on it's own delivers nothing to the business, so what are the indirect benefits of taxonomy implementation n the business world.
                                            It has to be about the same sort of things that content management / information management is about, but focused for taxonomy 
                                            • reducing rework across the organization - end users can more readily find content as it is clearly tagged and available and categorized so it can easily be found by others. The monetary gain here can be huge as can talk about the cost of creation of documents as opposed to reuse of documents
                                            • improving access to top quality content - if all an organization does is identify it's quality content / best practices / gold standard content via a taxonomy, then that good content is more accessible to the organization. This means folk use and follow the standards / best practices as opposed to inventing their own way of doing things
                                            • improving access to experts - taxonomy can help identify those with particular skills, so making it easier to find them across the organization. This can mean that someone answers a question immediately which has major benefits for relationships with a client (potentially winning a contract as opposed to losing it).
                                            • if taxonomy includes the language / glossary as well then it allows the organization to use common terminology which can result in better communication and fewer instances of disputes (often over silly misunderstandings in terminology)
                                            • innovation is driven by sharing of knowledge and innovation is often why contracts are won in the IT world. If an organization can share and find content easily then innovation is more likely to be prevalent in that organization.  
                                            Just a few quick thoughts that I hope will help

                                            Mike Gardner
                                            EDS CIO EKM Team - EDS Taxonomist & Content Rationalization Leader
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                                            From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Beverly Slabosky
                                            Sent: 22 June 2007 03:09
                                            To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: [TaxoCoP] Introductions

                                            Hello,
                                            I work for a technology consulting company, but taxonomy is not one of the services that we sell or recognize an opportunity for in projects. Does anyone have a presentation on how to get sales people or anyone to recognize when there is a taxonomy component in a project? I am part of a taxonomy team, but no one knows what we do. We tend to get lost in the company politics and get taxonomy maintenance projects instead of consulting projects.
                                             
                                            Any suggestions?
                                             
                                            Thanks,
                                             
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                                          • purpleslade
                                            Beverly, I share your difficulty in getting across the importance of taxonomies. We have had a database and accompanying taxonomy in place since 1981, but it
                                            Message 21 of 26 , Jun 27, 2007
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                                              Beverly, I share your difficulty in getting across the importance of
                                              taxonomies. We have had a database and accompanying taxonomy in place
                                              since 1981, but it was only recently that bells began to go off that,
                                              hey, this stuff is actually pretty valuable. I can't credit that to
                                              anything but perserverence in preaching the gospel of having a
                                              taxonomy to anyone who would listen. Like Mike wrote, the key is to
                                              get the message over as to what taxonomy delivers. I know that for
                                              us, getting "the message" out has entailed my boss and I giving
                                              countless presentations to the groups in our organization on what it
                                              is that we do. Also I would think that adding taxonomy components
                                              could add additional revenue to your consulting bids. At the very
                                              least it could be an optional expense.

                                              --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner, Mike" <Micheal.Gardner@...>
                                              wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Beverly
                                              >
                                              > The key is to get the message over as to what taxonomy delivers from a
                                              > business perspective. The problem is that taxonomy on it's own delivers
                                              > nothing to the business, so what are the indirect benefits of taxonomy
                                              > implementation n the business world.
                                              > It has to be about the same sort of things that content management /
                                              > information management is about, but focused for taxonomy
                                              >
                                              > *
                                              > reducing rework across the organization - end users can more
                                              > readily find content as it is clearly tagged and available and
                                              > categorized so it can easily be found by others. The monetary gain here
                                              > can be huge as can talk about the cost of creation of documents as
                                              > opposed to reuse of documents
                                              > *
                                              > improving access to top quality content - if all an organization
                                              > does is identify it's quality content / best practices / gold standard
                                              > content via a taxonomy, then that good content is more accessible to the
                                              > organization. This means folk use and follow the standards / best
                                              > practices as opposed to inventing their own way of doing things
                                              > *
                                              > improving access to experts - taxonomy can help identify those
                                              > with particular skills, so making it easier to find them across the
                                              > organization. This can mean that someone answers a question immediately
                                              > which has major benefits for relationships with a client (potentially
                                              > winning a contract as opposed to losing it).
                                              > *
                                              > if taxonomy includes the language / glossary as well then it
                                              > allows the organization to use common terminology which can result in
                                              > better communication and fewer instances of disputes (often over silly
                                              > misunderstandings in terminology)
                                              > *
                                              > innovation is driven by sharing of knowledge and innovation is
                                              > often why contracts are won in the IT world. If an organization can
                                              > share and find content easily then innovation is more likely to be
                                              > prevalent in that organization.
                                              >
                                              > Just a few quick thoughts that I hope will help
                                              >
                                              > Mike Gardner
                                              > EDS CIO EKM Team - EDS Taxonomist & Content Rationalization Leader
                                              > Telephone: +44 (0) 1332 227367 (Hudson House) - Mon
                                              > +44 (0)1332 663964 (Home Office) - Tue - Fri
                                              > Mobile: +44 (0)7790 492991
                                              > Hudson House, Derby, UK
                                              > micheal.gardner@...
                                              >
                                              >
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                                              >
                                              > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com]
                                              > On Behalf Of Beverly Slabosky
                                              > Sent: 22 June 2007 03:09
                                              > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Introductions
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Hello,
                                              > I work for a technology consulting company, but taxonomy is not
                                              > one of the services that we sell or recognize an opportunity for in
                                              > projects. Does anyone have a presentation on how to get sales people or
                                              > anyone to recognize when there is a taxonomy component in a project? I
                                              > am part of a taxonomy team, but no one knows what we do. We tend to get
                                              > lost in the company politics and get taxonomy maintenance projects
                                              > instead of consulting projects.
                                              >
                                              > Any suggestions?
                                              >
                                              > Thanks,
                                              >
                                              > Beverly
                                              >
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