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  • jennybenevento
    Personally, the traffic of this list is not so out of control that I would like anything related to taxonomy banned. There s not a ton of resources out there
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      Personally, the traffic of this list is not so out of control that I would like anything related to taxonomy banned. There's not a ton of resources out there for taxonomists and a lot of us work alone, so more info is not enough!

      Announcements of new software are WAY more relevant to me as someone IN the community of practice than most of the webinars. This isn't any disrespect to the webinars, but they are mostly directed toward people who are not professional taxonomists. A lot of them repeat annually making them even less relevant.

      I realize there are a lot of people on this list that joined because they are not professional taxos, and they have been tasked with making one. Because of that, I tolerate the webinar ads. But as someone who does taxonomy every day, new technology is far more interesting.

      Just my professional opinion :)
      ~J


      --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi John O',
      >
      > As the group founder I have tried to have a consistent policy around not directly promoting products and services on the list. I consider announcements around webinars to be educational as opposed to product or service promotion. Of course those are in support of a marketing effort but the events don't focus directly on a product or offering but rather on a topic of interest to the group.
      >
      > For example, a webinar might have Smartlogic as a sponsor or speaker but the topic would be about faceted search, etc
      >
      > Perhaps you can point to some instances of direct promotion so I am clear on what you consider to be inconsistent with regard to the policy. (Let's take that exchange off list since it is likely to not be of interest to the community)
      >
      > I am trying to be fair to vendors and service providers while maintaining the educational tone and purpose of the group.
      >
      > I am open to suggestions as to how this can be addressed moving forward.
      >
      > Seth
      >
      > Seth Earley
      > CEO
      > Earley & Associates, Inc
      > 781-820-8080
      > seth@...
      > www.earley.com
      >
      > ________________________________
      > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
      > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Sat Jul 30 22:27:28 2011
      > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
      >
      >
      >
      > Seth;
      >
      > Given the long history of this group supporting paid-for services (including yours) and other products I find this admonition a bit disingeuous. You can't have it both ways, even if you disagree with the approach taken by TemaTres, so decide whether all vendors should be excluded from marketing their wares here or open it up to everyone.
      >
      > John O'
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Seth Earley [mailto:seth@...]
      > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 02:19 PM
      > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
      >
      >
      > Hi Marijane,
      >
      > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
      > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
      >
      > Seth
      > Seth
      >
      > Seth Earley
      > CEO
      > Earley & Associates, Inc
      > 781-820-8080
      > seth@...
      > www.earley.com
      >
      > ________________________________
      > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
      > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
      > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
      >
      >
      > Hi TaxoCoP,
      >
      > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server. Details below.
      >
      > -marijane
      >
      > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
      > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
      > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
      > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
      >
      >
      > We have the glad to invite to test the beta version of Tematres 1.4
      >
      > TemaTres is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
      > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
      > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
      >
      > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
      >
      > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
      > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
      > quality indicators:
      > - Free Terms
      > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
      > - Average number of words per term
      > - Terms per N Broader terms
      > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
      > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
      >
      > For more details:
      > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
      > preferentes del tesauro: una
      > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
      > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
      > http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
      >
      > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
      > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
      > Reflexión acerca de la Investigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
      > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
      > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
      > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
      >
      >
      >
      > - User-defined notes
      > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
      > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
      > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
      >
      > - Advanced configuration options
      > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
      > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
      >
      > - Import controlled vocabularies
      > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
      > For example:
      >
      >
      > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
      > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
      > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
      > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
      >
      >
      > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
      > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
      > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
      > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
      >
      > Examples
      >
      > Status:
      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
      >
      > Terms beginning with the letter B:
      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
      >
      > Search Terms :
      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
      >
      > Vocabulary Data
      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
      >
      > Top of vocabulary terms
      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
      >
      > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
      >
      >
      >
      > Apologies for any cross-posting. Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
      >
      >
      > Diego Ferreyra
      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com<http://www.vocabularyserver.com/>
      >
    • Clint
      I would like to hear about any software that may help me do my job better and easier. Considering how little software there truly is for taxonomy, I wouldn t
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        I would like to hear about any software that may help me do my job better and easier. Considering how little software there truly is for taxonomy, I wouldn't be overly concerned about the board being overrun with announcements.

        And the Seth Earley & Assoc 'educational' webinars are about selling consulting services as much as they are educational.

        Clint Elmore
        Taxonomic Data Governance Czar
        Sears Holding Corporation


        --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hi John O',
        >
        > As the group founder I have tried to have a consistent policy around not directly promoting products and services on the list. I consider announcements around webinars to be educational as opposed to product or service promotion. Of course those are in support of a marketing effort but the events don't focus directly on a product or offering but rather on a topic of interest to the group.
        >
        > For example, a webinar might have Smartlogic as a sponsor or speaker but the topic would be about faceted search, etc
        >
        > Perhaps you can point to some instances of direct promotion so I am clear on what you consider to be inconsistent with regard to the policy. (Let's take that exchange off list since it is likely to not be of interest to the community)
        >
        > I am trying to be fair to vendors and service providers while maintaining the educational tone and purpose of the group.
        >
        > I am open to suggestions as to how this can be addressed moving forward.
        >
        > Seth
        >
        > Seth Earley
        > CEO
        > Earley & Associates, Inc
        > 781-820-8080
        > seth@...
        > www.earley.com
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
        > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Sat Jul 30 22:27:28 2011
        > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
        >
        >
        >
        > Seth;
        >
        > Given the long history of this group supporting paid-for services (including yours) and other products I find this admonition a bit disingeuous. You can't have it both ways, even if you disagree with the approach taken by TemaTres, so decide whether all vendors should be excluded from marketing their wares here or open it up to everyone.
        >
        > John O'
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Seth Earley [mailto:seth@...]
        > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 02:19 PM
        > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
        >
        >
        > Hi Marijane,
        >
        > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
        > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
        >
        > Seth
        > Seth
        >
        > Seth Earley
        > CEO
        > Earley & Associates, Inc
        > 781-820-8080
        > seth@...
        > www.earley.com
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
        > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
        > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
        >
        >
        > Hi TaxoCoP,
        >
        > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server. Details below.
        >
        > -marijane
        >
        > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
        > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
        > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
        > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
        > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
        >
        >
        > We have the glad to invite to test the beta version of Tematres 1.4
        >
        > TemaTres is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
        > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
        > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
        >
        > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
        >
        > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
        > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
        > quality indicators:
        > - Free Terms
        > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
        > - Average number of words per term
        > - Terms per N Broader terms
        > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
        > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
        >
        > For more details:
        > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
        > preferentes del tesauro: una
        > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
        > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
        > http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
        >
        > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
        > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
        > Reflexión acerca de la Investigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
        > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
        > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
        > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
        >
        >
        >
        > - User-defined notes
        > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
        > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
        > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
        >
        > - Advanced configuration options
        > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
        > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
        >
        > - Import controlled vocabularies
        > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
        > For example:
        >
        >
        > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
        > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
        > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
        > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
        >
        >
        > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
        > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
        > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
        > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
        >
        > Examples
        >
        > Status:
        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
        >
        > Terms beginning with the letter B:
        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
        >
        > Search Terms :
        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
        >
        > Vocabulary Data
        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
        >
        > Top of vocabulary terms
        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
        >
        > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
        >
        >
        >
        > Apologies for any cross-posting. Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
        >
        >
        > Diego Ferreyra
        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com<http://www.vocabularyserver.com/>
        >
      • Seth Earley
        Perhaps we should go back to charging for them... Seth Seth Earley CEO _____________________________ EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc. Cell: 781-820-8080 Email:
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          Perhaps we should go back to charging for them…

           

          Seth

           

          Seth Earley

          CEO
          _____________________________

          EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
          Cell: 781-820-8080

          Email: seth@...  

          Web: www.earley.com

           

          Follow me on twitter: sethearley

          Connect with me on  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethearley   

           

          From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint
          Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:06 PM
          To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

           

           

          I would like to hear about any software that may help me do my job better and easier. Considering how little software there truly is for taxonomy, I wouldn't be overly concerned about the board being overrun with announcements.

          And the Seth Earley & Assoc 'educational' webinars are about selling consulting services as much as they are educational.

          Clint Elmore
          Taxonomic Data Governance Czar
          Sears Holding Corporation

          --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hi John O',
          >
          > As the group founder I have tried to have a consistent policy around not directly promoting products and services on the list. I consider announcements around webinars to be educational as opposed to product or service promotion. Of course those are in support of a marketing effort but the events don't focus directly on a product or offering but rather on a topic of interest to the group.
          >
          > For example, a webinar might have Smartlogic as a sponsor or speaker but the topic would be about faceted search, etc
          >
          > Perhaps you can point to some instances of direct promotion so I am clear on what you consider to be inconsistent with regard to the policy. (Let's take that exchange off list since it is likely to not be of interest to the community)
          >
          > I am trying to be fair to vendors and service providers while maintaining the educational tone and purpose of the group.
          >
          > I am open to suggestions as to how this can be addressed moving forward.
          >
          > Seth
          >
          > Seth Earley
          > CEO
          > Earley & Associates, Inc
          > 781-820-8080
          > seth@...
          > www.earley.com
          >
          > ________________________________
          > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
          > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Sat Jul 30 22:27:28 2011
          > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
          >
          >
          >
          > Seth;
          >
          > Given the long history of this group supporting paid-for services (including yours) and other products I find this admonition a bit disingeuous. You can't have it both ways, even if you disagree with the approach taken by TemaTres, so decide whether all vendors should be excluded from marketing their wares here or open it up to everyone.
          >
          > John O'
          > -----Original Message-----
          > From: Seth Earley [mailto:seth@...]
          > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 02:19 PM
          > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
          >
          >
          > Hi Marijane,
          >
          > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
          > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
          >
          > Seth
          > Seth
          >
          > Seth Earley
          > CEO
          > Earley & Associates, Inc
          > 781-820-8080
          > seth@...
          > www.earley.com
          >
          > ________________________________
          > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
          > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
          > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
          >
          >
          > Hi TaxoCoP,
          >
          > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server. Details below.
          >
          > -marijane
          >
          > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
          > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
          > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
          > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
          > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
          >
          >
          > We have the glad to invite to test the beta version of Tematres 1.4
          >
          > TemaTres is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
          > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
          > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
          >
          > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
          >
          > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
          > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
          > quality indicators:
          > - Free Terms
          > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
          > - Average number of words per term
          > - Terms per N Broader terms
          > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
          > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
          >
          > For more details:
          > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
          > preferentes del tesauro: una
          > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
          > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
          > http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
          >
          > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
          > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
          > Reflexión acerca de la Investigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
          > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
          > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
          > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
          >
          >
          >
          > - User-defined notes
          > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
          > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
          > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
          >
          > - Advanced configuration options
          > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
          > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
          >
          > - Import controlled vocabularies
          > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
          > For example:
          >
          >
          > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
          > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
          > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
          > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
          >
          >
          > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
          > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
          > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
          > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
          >
          > Examples
          >
          > Status:
          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
          >
          > Terms beginning with the letter B:
          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
          >
          > Search Terms :
          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
          >
          > Vocabulary Data
          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
          >
          > Top of vocabulary terms
          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
          >
          > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
          >
          >
          >
          > Apologies for any cross-posting. Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
          >
          >
          > Diego Ferreyra
          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com<http://www.vocabularyserver.com/>
          >

        • Gary Carlson
          I agree with Jenny, but share the concern that too many vendor announcements could impact the value of this list. However, given the small number of taxonomy
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            I agree with Jenny, but share the concern that too many vendor announcements could impact the value of this list.  

            However, given the small number of taxonomy tool vendors it may be worthwhile to allow product announcements with the caveat that the announcements must be about new taxonomy related features and that vendors should limit their posts to a few times a year. 

            Otherwise, I find the non-commercial tone of this list to be valuable and an asset to the list.

            Gary Carlson



            On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:05 PM, jennybenevento wrote:

             

            Personally, the traffic of this list is not so out of control that I would like anything related to taxonomy banned. There's not a ton of resources out there for taxonomists and a lot of us work alone, so more info is not enough!

            Announcements of new software are WAY more relevant to me as someone IN the community of practice than most of the webinars. This isn't any disrespect to the webinars, but they are mostly directed toward people who are not professional taxonomists. A lot of them repeat annually making them even less relevant.

            I realize there are a lot of people on this list that joined because they are not professional taxos, and they have been tasked with making one. Because of that, I tolerate the webinar ads. But as someone who does taxonomy every day, new technology is far more interesting.

            Just my professional opinion :)
            ~J

            --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
            >
            > Hi John O',
            >
            > As the group founder I have tried to have a consistent policy around not directly promoting products and services on the list. I consider announcements around webinars to be educational as opposed to product or service promotion. Of course those are in support of a marketing effort but the events don't focus directly on a product or offering but rather on a topic of interest to the group.
            >
            > For example, a webinar might have Smartlogic as a sponsor or speaker but the topic would be about faceted search, etc
            >
            > Perhaps you can point to some instances of direct promotion so I am clear on what you consider to be inconsistent with regard to the policy. (Let's take that exchange off list since it is likely to not be of interest to the community)
            >
            > I am trying to be fair to vendors and service providers while maintaining the educational tone and purpose of the group.
            >
            > I am open to suggestions as to how this can be addressed moving forward.
            >
            > Seth
            >
            > Seth Earley
            > CEO
            > Earley & Associates, Inc
            > 781-820-8080
            > seth@...
            > www.earley.com
            >
            > ________________________________
            > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
            > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Sat Jul 30 22:27:28 2011
            > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
            >
            >
            >
            > Seth;
            >
            > Given the long history of this group supporting paid-for services (including yours) and other products I find this admonition a bit disingeuous. You can't have it both ways, even if you disagree with the approach taken by TemaTres, so decide whether all vendors should be excluded from marketing their wares here or open it up to everyone.
            >
            > John O'
            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: Seth Earley [mailto:seth@...]
            > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 02:19 PM
            > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
            > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
            >
            >
            > Hi Marijane,
            >
            > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
            > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
            >
            > Seth
            > Seth
            >
            > Seth Earley
            > CEO
            > Earley & Associates, Inc
            > 781-820-8080
            > seth@...
            > www.earley.com
            >
            > ________________________________
            > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
            > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
            > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
            >
            >
            > Hi TaxoCoP,
            >
            > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server. Details below.
            >
            > -marijane
            >
            > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
            > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
            > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
            > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
            > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
            >
            >
            > We have the glad to invite to test the beta version of Tematres 1.4
            >
            > TemaTres is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
            > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
            > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
            >
            > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
            >
            > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
            > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
            > quality indicators:
            > - Free Terms
            > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
            > - Average number of words per term
            > - Terms per N Broader terms
            > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
            > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
            >
            > For more details:
            > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
            > preferentes del tesauro: una
            > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
            > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
            > http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
            >
            > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
            > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
            > Reflexión acerca de la Investigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
            > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
            > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
            > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
            >
            >
            >
            > - User-defined notes
            > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
            > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
            > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
            >
            > - Advanced configuration options
            > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
            > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
            >
            > - Import controlled vocabularies
            > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
            > For example:
            >
            >
            > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
            > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
            > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
            > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
            >
            >
            > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
            > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
            > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
            > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
            >
            > Examples
            >
            > Status:
            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
            >
            > Terms beginning with the letter B:
            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
            >
            > Search Terms :
            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
            >
            > Vocabulary Data
            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
            >
            > Top of vocabulary terms
            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
            >
            > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
            >
            >
            >
            > Apologies for any cross-posting. Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
            >
            >
            > Diego Ferreyra
            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com<http://www.vocabularyserver.com/>
            >


          • Seth Earley
            Sounds like a reasonable approach. Seth From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Carlson Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011
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              Sounds like a reasonable approach. 

               

              Seth

               

              From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Carlson
              Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:05 PM
              To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

               

               

              I agree with Jenny, but share the concern that too many vendor announcements could impact the value of this list.  

               

              However, given the small number of taxonomy tool vendors it may be worthwhile to allow product announcements with the caveat that the announcements must be about new taxonomy related features and that vendors should limit their posts to a few times a year. 

               

              Otherwise, I find the non-commercial tone of this list to be valuable and an asset to the list.

               

              Gary Carlson

               

               

               

              On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:05 PM, jennybenevento wrote:



               

              Personally, the traffic of this list is not so out of control that I would like anything related to taxonomy banned. There's not a ton of resources out there for taxonomists and a lot of us work alone, so more info is not enough!

              Announcements of new software are WAY more relevant to me as someone IN the community of practice than most of the webinars. This isn't any disrespect to the webinars, but they are mostly directed toward people who are not professional taxonomists. A lot of them repeat annually making them even less relevant.

              I realize there are a lot of people on this list that joined because they are not professional taxos, and they have been tasked with making one. Because of that, I tolerate the webinar ads. But as someone who does taxonomy every day, new technology is far more interesting.

              Just my professional opinion :)
              ~J

              --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
              >
              > Hi John O',
              >
              > As the group founder I have tried to have a consistent policy around not directly promoting products and services on the list. I consider announcements around webinars to be educational as opposed to product or service promotion. Of course those are in support of a marketing effort but the events don't focus directly on a product or offering but rather on a topic of interest to the group.
              >
              > For example, a webinar might have Smartlogic as a sponsor or speaker but the topic would be about faceted search, etc
              >
              > Perhaps you can point to some instances of direct promotion so I am clear on what you consider to be inconsistent with regard to the policy. (Let's take that exchange off list since it is likely to not be of interest to the community)
              >
              > I am trying to be fair to vendors and service providers while maintaining the educational tone and purpose of the group.
              >
              > I am open to suggestions as to how this can be addressed moving forward.
              >
              > Seth
              >
              > Seth Earley
              > CEO
              > Earley & Associates, Inc
              > 781-820-8080
              > seth@...
              > www.earley.com
              >
              > ________________________________
              > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
              > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Sat Jul 30 22:27:28 2011
              > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
              >
              >
              >
              > Seth;
              >
              > Given the long history of this group supporting paid-for services (including yours) and other products I find this admonition a bit disingeuous. You can't have it both ways, even if you disagree with the approach taken by TemaTres, so decide whether all vendors should be excluded from marketing their wares here or open it up to everyone.
              >
              > John O'
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: Seth Earley [mailto:seth@...]
              > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 02:19 PM
              > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
              >
              >
              > Hi Marijane,
              >
              > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
              > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
              >
              > Seth
              > Seth
              >
              > Seth Earley
              > CEO
              > Earley & Associates, Inc
              > 781-820-8080
              > seth@...
              > www.earley.com
              >
              > ________________________________
              > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
              > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
              > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
              >
              >
              > Hi TaxoCoP,
              >
              > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server. Details below.
              >
              > -marijane
              >
              > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
              > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
              > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
              > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
              > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
              >
              >
              > We have the glad to invite to test the beta version of Tematres 1.4
              >
              > TemaTres is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
              > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
              > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
              >
              > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
              >
              > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
              > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
              > quality indicators:
              > - Free Terms
              > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
              > - Average number of words per term
              > - Terms per N Broader terms
              > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
              > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
              >
              > For more details:
              > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
              > preferentes del tesauro: una
              > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
              > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
              > http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
              >
              > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
              > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
              > Reflexión acerca de la Investigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
              > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
              > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
              > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
              >
              >
              >
              > - User-defined notes
              > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
              > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
              > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
              >
              > - Advanced configuration options
              > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
              > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
              >
              > - Import controlled vocabularies
              > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
              > For example:
              >
              >
              > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
              > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
              > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
              > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
              >
              >
              > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
              > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
              > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
              > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
              >
              > Examples
              >
              > Status:
              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
              >
              > Terms beginning with the letter B:
              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
              >
              > Search Terms :
              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
              >
              > Vocabulary Data
              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
              >
              > Top of vocabulary terms
              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
              >
              > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
              >
              >
              >
              > Apologies for any cross-posting. Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
              >
              >
              > Diego Ferreyra
              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com<http://www.vocabularyserver.com/>
              >

               

            • Matt Johnson
              Hi Seth, If charging for the webinars would mean that vendor-related postings apart from Earley’s could also be shared with this list, then I would request
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                Hi Seth,
                 
                If charging for the webinars would mean that vendor-related postings apart from Earley’s could also be shared with this list, then I would request that you do just that.  The number I’ve registered for over the years have been consistently oriented towards the needs of business stakeholders rather than taxonomists and other KM professionals, who I imagine (hope?) comprise a majority of the list’s membership.  Consequently, their educational value to this audience is fairly limited relative to their promotional value.
                 
                Selective enforcement (by a vendor representative, no less) of policies on who gets to post what to this list does more, I would venture, to stifle participation than additional vendor postings will. 
                 
                Respectfully,
                 
                Matt Johnson
                Program Manager, Information Standards, eServices
                EMC Corporation
                 
                 
                Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:43 PM
                Subject: RE: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                 
                 

                Perhaps we should go back to charging for them…

                Seth

                Seth Earley

                CEO
                _____________________________

                EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                Cell: 781-820-8080

                Email: seth@...  

                Web: www.earley.com

                Follow me on twitter: sethearley

                Connect with me on  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethearley   

                From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint
                Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:06 PM
                To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                 

                I would like to hear about any software that may help me do my job better and easier. Considering how little software there truly is for taxonomy, I wouldn't be overly concerned about the board being overrun with announcements.

                And the Seth Earley & Assoc 'educational' webinars are about selling consulting services as much as they are educational.

                Clint Elmore
                Taxonomic Data Governance Czar
                Sears Holding Corporation

                --- In mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:

                >
                > Hi John O',
                >
                >
                As the group founder I have tried to have a consistent policy around not directly promoting products and services on the list. I consider announcements around webinars to be educational as opposed to product or service promotion. Of course those are in support of a marketing effort but the events don't focus directly on a product or offering but rather on a topic of interest to the group.
                >
                > For example, a webinar might have Smartlogic as a
                sponsor or speaker but the topic would be about faceted search, etc
                >
                > Perhaps you can point to some instances of direct promotion so I am
                clear on what you consider to be inconsistent with regard to the policy. (Let's take that exchange off list since it is likely to not be of interest to the community)
                >
                > I am trying to be fair to vendors and service
                providers while maintaining the educational tone and purpose of the group.
                >
                > I am open to suggestions as to how this can be addressed
                moving forward.
                >
                > Seth
                >
                > Seth Earley
                >
                CEO
                > Earley & Associates, Inc
                > 781-820-8080
                >
                seth@...
                > www.earley.com
                >
                >
                ________________________________
                > From:
                href="mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com">mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                >
                To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                >
                Sent: Sat Jul 30 22:27:28 2011
                > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB]
                TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                >
                >
                >
                > Seth;
                >
                > Given the long history of this
                group supporting paid-for services (including yours) and other products I find this admonition a bit disingeuous. You can't have it both ways, even if you disagree with the approach taken by TemaTres, so decide whether all vendors should be excluded from marketing their wares here or open it up to everyone.
                >
                > John O'
                > -----Original Message-----
                >
                From: Seth Earley [mailto:seth@...]
                > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 02:19
                PM
                > To:
                href="mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com">mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com
                >
                Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                >
                >
                > Hi Marijane,
                >
                > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on
                the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
                > I am open to suggestions as
                to how we might handle these in the future...
                >
                > Seth
                >
                Seth
                >
                > Seth Earley
                > CEO
                > Earley & Associates,
                Inc
                > 781-820-8080
                > seth@...
                > www.earley.com
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From:
                href="mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com">mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                >
                To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                >
                Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
                > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB]
                TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                >
                >
                > Hi TaxoCoP,
                >
                > The TemaTres folks have released
                a new version of their vocabulary management server. Details below.
                >
                > -marijane
                >
                > ---------- Forwarded message
                ----------
                > From: diego ferreyra
                <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
                > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011
                at 6:56 PM
                > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an
                open source vocabulary server
                > To:
                CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
                >
                >
                > We have the
                glad to invite to test the beta version of Tematres 1.4
                >
                >
                TemaTres is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
                >
                vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
                >
                taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
                >
                > This release includes the
                following fixes and improvements:
                >
                > - Quality indicators about
                controlled vocabularies
                > The Quality assurance was improved with reports
                about the following
                > quality indicators:
                > - Free Terms
                > -
                Terms without hierarchical relationships
                > - Average number of words per
                term
                > - Terms per N Broader terms
                > - Terms per N narrower terms
                and depth
                > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
                >
                > For more details:
                > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y
                longitud de los términos
                > preferentes del tesauro: una
                > propuesta
                de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
                > vol. 13, p.
                185-195.
                >
                href="http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151">http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
                >
                > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y
                la
                > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio
                y
                > Reflexión acerca de la Investigación en Bibliotecología, La
                Plata, 6-7
                > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de
                la
                > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
                >
                href="http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez">http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
                >
                >
                >
                > - User-defined notes
                > Has been added
                management capabilities to manage and create
                > user-defined notes. (Thanks
                to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
                > - Spain:
                href="http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/">http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
                >
                > - Advanced configuration options
                > Has been added detailed
                configuration options available to the
                > administrator of the controlled
                vocabulary.
                >
                > - Import controlled vocabularies
                > Now
                TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
                > For
                example:
                >
                >
                > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and
                Exchange)
                > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms
                and
                > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema
                (Vocabulary
                > Definition and Exchange).
                href="http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/">http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
                >
                >
                > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
                > TemaTres
                have support for web services accessible through a clear and
                > simple
                syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
                > can be
                viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
                >
                > Examples
                >
                >
                Status:
                >
                href="http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/">http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
                >
                > Terms beginning with the letter B:
                >
                href="http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b">http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
                >
                http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
                >
                http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
                >
                > Search Terms :
                >
                href="http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/">http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
                >
                http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
                >
                http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
                >
                > Vocabulary Data
                >
                href="http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData">http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
                >
                > Top of vocabulary terms
                >
                href="http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms">http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
                >
                > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
                >
                >
                >
                > Apologies for any cross-posting. Any comments and
                suggestions are welcomed
                >
                >
                > Diego Ferreyra
                >
                href="http://www.vocabularyserver.com">http://www.vocabularyserver.com<http://www.vocabularyserver.com/>
                >

              • Seth Earley
                Hi Matt, There has never been any restriction on announcements from other companies as long as they focused on a topic of interest to the group. There have
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                  Hi Matt,

                   

                  There has never been any restriction on announcements from other companies as long as they focused on a topic of interest to the group.  There have been many announcements of Webinars  and conferences on this list over the years other than those produced by my organization.

                   

                  I find it hard to believe that you think our topics are not of interest to KM professionals.  According to my records you have been to a few out of the over 100 calls that we have delivered over the past five years.   We consistently hear that our events are of value and provide free approaches and methodologies for the community. 

                   

                  Here is a note I sent to a couple of folks off list.  I am sending this so that people understand the perspective that I have on this group and how I will adapt the group to suit the needs of the community . 

                   

                  -------

                  Vendor Pitches versus Educational Calls:

                   

                  As one of my notes indicated, yes, our calls are part of a marketing activity.  However we do not pitch our services as the topic of the call.  I think there is a difference between doing a call as education and getting some marketing out of that versus doing a call to just sell services. 

                   

                  We have worked over the years to contribute to the community and educate the industry.  I have also tried to maintain a spam free tone for the group. 

                   

                  We give away a great deal of IP in our calls (I have been told by many people) and competitors consistently attend the calls. 

                   

                  So to characterize our calls as being about selling services is a little unfair in my opinion – there are more non  prospects on these calls than prospects.

                   

                  There is a significant cost to running these calls and in actuality, most of the attendees are not people who buy from us.  There is a pretty large group who attend call after call in some cases year after year.  We have actually been considering charging for the calls again so my comment was not flip (I realize it may have appeared that way after I sent it off)

                   

                  In any case, I will survey the list members to understand what kinds of information they would like to see.  If I take away the product pitching prohibition then we may see a significant change to the tone of the list.  I have nothing against vendor information, but I do see lists with a great deal of announcements without contributions of members or interactions on the list.    Many vendor pitches are little more than marketing points with little practitioner value. 

                  -------------------------  

                   

                  As I say, there has never been a restriction on vendors promoting educational calls that were not direct product pitches.  This is consistent with most conferences where I have spoken at over the past several years.  If the group wants product pitches we can certainly accommodate this. 

                   

                  Your comment: “Selective enforcement (by a vendor representative, no less) of policies on who gets to post what to this list does more, I would venture, to stifle participation than additional vendor postings will. “

                   

                  Our policies have been consistent.  I am the list founder and have put a great deal of energy into this list maintaining a tone of helpfulness and community. I very rarely restrict any information or ban a member. (Perhaps one message and one member over the past 6 years).   The last time that I had feedback on a vendor’s product pitch was from another vendor who thought that things were being selectively enforced in the other direction – that we were letting too many vendors talk about their products. 

                   

                  Realize also that a call can cost several thousands of dollars and the entire call series over the past 6 years has provided less than a dozen opportunities. Clearly this is good marketing but is not effective selling.  We would be better off not putting any attention into the group and focusing on paid sponsorships of conferences where we could pitch at will… J

                   

                  Most of the time, these events appeal to practitioners who are interested in learning how to do these types of projects (contrary to your assertion).  But again, if people are no longer interested in these calls or have moved beyond them, we are better off charging for those who still have an interest in the topics.  As I say, I will go with a survey to get to the needs of the full group.  We’ll see. Based on this limited feedback I am leaning toward discontinuing them (which we have considered at a number of points in the past) or once again charging for the information.  

                   

                  There are a couple of other moderators who might want to speak up.  Or we can use this as an opportunity to recruit new moderators. 

                   

                  If you value this group an care about the tone, then let me know (preferably off list at this point).   If you value the free calls, let us know that as well. 

                   

                  Thanks. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                      

                  Seth

                   

                  Seth Earley

                  CEO
                  _____________________________

                  EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                  Cell: 781-820-8080

                  Email: seth@...  

                  Web: www.earley.com

                   

                  Follow me on twitter: sethearley

                  Connect with me on  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethearley   

                   

                  From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Johnson
                  Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:26 PM
                  To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                   

                   

                  Hi Seth,

                   

                  If charging for the webinars would mean that vendor-related postings apart from Earley’s could also be shared with this list, then I would request that you do just that.  The number I’ve registered for over the years have been consistently oriented towards the needs of business stakeholders rather than taxonomists and other KM professionals, who I imagine (hope?) comprise a majority of the list’s membership.  Consequently, their educational value to this audience is fairly limited relative to their promotional value.

                   

                  Selective enforcement (by a vendor representative, no less) of policies on who gets to post what to this list does more, I would venture, to stifle participation than additional vendor postings will. 

                   

                  Respectfully,

                   

                  Matt Johnson

                  Program Manager, Information Standards, eServices

                  EMC Corporation

                   

                   

                  Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:43 PM

                  Subject: RE: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                   

                   

                  Perhaps we should go back to charging for them…

                  Seth

                  Seth Earley

                  CEO
                  _____________________________

                  EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                  Cell: 781-820-8080

                  Email: seth@...  

                  Web: www.earley.com

                  Follow me on twitter: sethearley

                  Connect with me on  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethearley   

                  From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint
                  Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:06 PM
                  To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                   

                  I would like to hear about any software that may help me do my job better and easier. Considering how little software there truly is for taxonomy, I wouldn't be overly concerned about the board being overrun with announcements.

                  And the Seth Earley & Assoc 'educational' webinars are about selling consulting services as much as they are educational.

                  Clint Elmore
                  Taxonomic Data Governance Czar
                  Sears Holding Corporation

                  --- In mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Hi John O',
                  >
                  > As the group founder I have tried to have a consistent policy around not directly promoting products and services on the list. I consider announcements around webinars to be educational as opposed to product or service promotion. Of course those are in support of a marketing effort but the events don't focus directly on a product or offering but rather on a topic of interest to the group.
                  >
                  > For example, a webinar might have Smartlogic as a sponsor or speaker but the topic would be about faceted search, etc
                  >
                  > Perhaps you can point to some instances of direct promotion so I am clear on what you consider to be inconsistent with regard to the policy. (Let's take that exchange off list since it is likely to not be of interest to the community)
                  >
                  > I am trying to be fair to vendors and service providers while maintaining the educational tone and purpose of the group.
                  >
                  > I am open to suggestions as to how this can be addressed moving forward.
                  >
                  > Seth
                  >
                  > Seth Earley
                  > CEO
                  > Earley & Associates, Inc
                  > 781-820-8080
                  > seth@...
                  > www.earley.com
                  >
                  > ________________________________
                  > From: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Sat Jul 30 22:27:28 2011
                  > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Seth;
                  >
                  > Given the long history of this group supporting paid-for services (including yours) and other products I find this admonition a bit disingeuous. You can't have it both ways, even if you disagree with the approach taken by TemaTres, so decide whether all vendors should be excluded from marketing their wares here or open it up to everyone.
                  >
                  > John O'
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: Seth Earley [mailto:seth@...]
                  > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 02:19 PM
                  > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                  >
                  >
                  > Hi Marijane,
                  >
                  > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
                  > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
                  >
                  > Seth
                  > Seth
                  >
                  > Seth Earley
                  > CEO
                  > Earley & Associates, Inc
                  > 781-820-8080
                  > seth@...
                  > www.earley.com
                  >
                  > ________________________________
                  > From: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
                  > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                  >
                  >
                  > Hi TaxoCoP,
                  >
                  > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server. Details below.
                  >
                  > -marijane
                  >
                  > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                  > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
                  > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
                  > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                  > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
                  >
                  >
                  > We have the glad to invite to test the beta version of Tematres 1.4
                  >
                  > TemaTres is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
                  > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
                  > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
                  >
                  > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
                  >
                  > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
                  > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
                  > quality indicators:
                  > - Free Terms
                  > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
                  > - Average number of words per term
                  > - Terms per N Broader terms
                  > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
                  > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
                  >
                  > For more details:
                  > MARTÃ
                  NEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
                  > preferentes del tesauro: una
                  > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
                  > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
                  >
                  http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
                  >
                  > MARTÃ
                  NEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
                  > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
                  > Reflexión acerca de la Inve
                  stigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
                  > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
                  > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
                  > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > - User-defined notes
                  > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
                  > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
                  > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
                  >
                  > - Advanced configuration options
                  > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
                  > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
                  >
                  > - Import controlled vocabularies
                  > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
                  > For example:
                  >
                  >
                  > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
                  > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
                  > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
                  > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
                  >
                  >
                  > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
                  > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
                  > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
                  > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
                  >
                  > Examples
                  >
                  > Status:
                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
                  >
                  > Terms beginning with the letter B:
                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
                  >
                  > Search Terms :
                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
                  >
                  > Vocabulary Data
                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
                  >
                  > Top of vocabulary terms
                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
                  >
                  > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Apologies for any cross-posting. Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
                  >
                  >
                  > Diego Ferreyra
                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com<http://www.vocabularyserver.com/>
                  >

                • Patrick Lambe
                  I didn t think from Seth s original email that he was trying to shut down such contributions. I thought he was reminding us of a convention we ve had, and
                  Message 8 of 24 , Aug 2, 2011
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                    I didn't think from Seth's original email that he was trying to shut down such contributions. I thought he was reminding us of a convention we've had, and inviting us to consider whether we wanted to change that.

                    All of my three-person company are actively involved in a non-profit KM society here in Singapore. So I know that there are occupational hazards in being a vendor when you are also seeking to promote professional knowledge in a non-profit setting. It's so easy to be accused of self-interest. And it's difficult to balance the legitimate demands of a business (earn enough money to pay my employees and my family) with giving away free time and expertise and helping other people learn with no certain tangible reward from it.

                    I think one needs to have a certain level of conscious altruism to do it (ie not be so conscious of ROI matters when contributing - you'd go crazy). I think one needs to have a very clear sense of role-shift - community role vs market/business role, and not mix them up. But it is extremely disappointing when what you consider to be altruistic contributions (no tangible rewards) seem to be thrown back at you as "you're just doing free marketing". I can't see into Seth's mind, but I can remember occasions when the phrase "ungrateful bastards" has gone through my mind. Of course, all this is in the heat of the moment - and the few people who criticise too easily overshadow the many people who are appreciative.

                    My own sense of Seth's engagement in this forum is that he is very good at managing the distinction/balance between business interest and community interest. If anything I suspect this discussion arises from hyper-sensitivity on his part about vendor technology pitches, because he has an interest in a technology tool and is ultra-cautious about letting that affect his participation here. So I actually think some of the disingenuity comments are rather unfair, although I accept they may reflect genuine perceptions.

                    Good professional forums (and this is a good one) don't happen spontaneously - somebody needs to steward them, and I think we should credit Seth (and other key contributors) for providing that very steady stewardship.

                    To me the key question is, WOULD we be flooded with irritating and non-educational vendor pitches if we allowed the kind of emails that started this? Well I think not, if we say we only want messages of major releases or initiatives or features, and no more than one announcement - ie set boundaries, and then make sure the first couple of people to cross the boundary are clearly reminded. We are adults, after all.

                    I agree with the members who say that the technology piece is a useful one to know about. Vendors are not evil just because they are vendors. They are evil when they tell lies, spam us, or waste our time. And we should want vendors of good products and services to make money, otherwise how do we buy good products and services, and how do we learn from the expertise they put into their products and services?

                    This still leaves Seth with a hyper-sensitivity problem - if vendor emails are allowed, he'll still be open to accusations of over-exploiting that opportunity if his company happens to make better use of the facility than other vendors. Maybe the solution is to broaden the circle of moderators, so he doesn't have to attract all the slings and arrows of outraged taxonomists every time he - quite correctly - invites us to consider the boundaries we want to put in place for ourselves.

                    P

                    Patrick Lambe

                    website: www.straitsknowledge.com

                    Have you seen our new KM Planning Toolkit?  








                    On Aug 2, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Seth Earley wrote:

                     

                    Hi Matt,

                     

                    There has never been any restriction on announcements from other companies as long as they focused on a topic of interest to the group.  There have been many announcements of Webinars  and conferences on this list over the years other than those produced by my organization.

                     

                    I find it hard to believe that you think our topics are not of interest to KM professionals.  According to my records you have been to a few out of the over 100 calls that we have delivered over the past five years.   We consistently hear that our events are of value and provide free approaches and methodologies for the community. 

                     

                    Here is a note I sent to a couple of folks off list.  I am sending this so that people understand the perspective that I have on this group and how I will adapt the group to suit the needs of the community . 

                     

                    -------

                    Vendor Pitches versus Educational Calls:

                     

                    As one of my notes indicated, yes, our calls are part of a marketing activity.  However we do not pitch our services as the topic of the call.  I think there is a difference between doing a call as education and getting some marketing out of that versus doing a call to just sell services. 

                     

                    We have worked over the years to contribute to the community and educate the industry.  I have also tried to maintain a spam free tone for the group. 

                     

                    We give away a great deal of IP in our calls (I have been told by many people) and competitors consistently attend the calls. 

                     

                    So to characterize our calls as being about selling services is a little unfair in my opinion – there are more non  prospects on these calls than prospects.

                     

                    There is a significant cost to running these calls and in actuality, most of the attendees are not people who buy from us.  There is a pretty large group who attend call after call in some cases year after year.  We have actually been considering charging for the calls again so my comment was not flip (I realize it may have appeared that way after I sent it off)

                     

                    In any case, I will survey the list members to understand what kinds of information they would like to see.  If I take away the product pitching prohibition then we may see a significant change to the tone of the list.  I have nothing against vendor information, but I do see lists with a great deal of announcements without contributions of members or interactions on the list.    Many vendor pitches are little more than marketing points with little practitioner value. 

                    -------------------------  

                     

                    As I say, there has never been a restriction on vendors promoting educational calls that were not direct product pitches.  This is consistent with most conferences where I have spoken at over the past several years.  If the group wants product pitches we can certainly accommodate this. 

                     

                    Your comment: “Selective enforcement (by a vendor representative, no less) of policies on who gets to post what to this list does more, I would venture, to stifle participation than additional vendor postings will. “

                     

                    Our policies have been consistent.  I am the list founder and have put a great deal of energy into this list maintaining a tone of helpfulness and community. I very rarely restrict any information or ban a member. (Perhaps one message and one member over the past 6 years).   The last time that I had feedback on a vendor’s product pitch was from another vendor who thought that things were being selectively enforced in the other direction – that we were letting too many vendors talk about their products. 

                     

                    Realize also that a call can cost several thousands of dollars and the entire call series over the past 6 years has provided less than a dozen opportunities. Clearly this is good marketing but is not effective selling.  We would be better off not putting any attention into the group and focusing on paid sponsorships of conferences where we could pitch at will… J

                     

                    Most of the time, these events appeal to practitioners who are interested in learning how to do these types of projects (contrary to your assertion).  But again, if people are no longer interested in these calls or have moved beyond them, we are better off charging for those who still have an interest in the topics.  As I say, I will go with a survey to get to the needs of the full group.  We’ll see. Based on this limited feedback I am leaning toward discontinuing them (which we have considered at a number of points in the past) or once again charging for the information.  

                     

                    There are a couple of other moderators who might want to speak up.  Or we can use this as an opportunity to recruit new moderators. 

                     

                    If you value this group an care about the tone, then let me know (preferably off list at this point).   If you value the free calls, let us know that as well. 

                     

                    Thanks. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                        

                    Seth

                     

                    Seth Earley

                    CEO
                    _____________________________

                    EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                    Cell: 781-820-8080

                    Email: seth@...  

                    Web: www.earley.com

                     

                    Follow me on twitter: sethearley

                    Connect with me on  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethearley   

                     

                    From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Johnson
                    Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:26 PM
                    To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                     

                     

                    Hi Seth,

                     

                    If charging for the webinars would mean that vendor-related postings apart from Earley’s could also be shared with this list, then I would request that you do just that.  The number I’ve registered for over the years have been consistently oriented towards the needs of business stakeholders rather than taxonomists and other KM professionals, who I imagine (hope?) comprise a majority of the list’s membership.  Consequently, their educational value to this audience is fairly limited relative to their promotional value.

                     

                    Selective enforcement (by a vendor representative, no less) of policies on who gets to post what to this list does more, I would venture, to stifle participation than additional vendor postings will. 

                     

                    Respectfully,

                     

                    Matt Johnson

                    Program Manager, Information Standards, eServices

                    EMC Corporation

                     

                     

                    Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:43 PM

                    Subject: RE: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                     

                     

                    Perhaps we should go back to charging for them…

                    Seth

                    Seth Earley

                    CEO
                    _____________________________

                    EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                    Cell: 781-820-8080

                    Email: seth@...  

                    Web: www.earley.com

                    Follow me on twitter: sethearley

                    Connect with me on  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethearley   

                    From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint
                    Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:06 PM
                    To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                     

                    I would like to hear about any software that may help me do my job better and easier. Considering how little software there truly is for taxonomy, I wouldn't be overly concerned about the board being overrun with announcements.

                    And the Seth Earley & Assoc 'educational' webinars are about selling consulting services as much as they are educational.

                    Clint Elmore
                    Taxonomic Data Governance Czar
                    Sears Holding Corporation

                    --- In mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hi John O',
                    >
                    > As the group founder I have tried to have a consistent policy around not directly promoting products and services on the list. I consider announcements around webinars to be educational as opposed to product or service promotion. Of course those are in support of a marketing effort but the events don't focus directly on a product or offering but rather on a topic of interest to the group.
                    >
                    > For example, a webinar might have Smartlogic as a sponsor or speaker but the topic would be about faceted search, etc
                    >
                    > Perhaps you can point to some instances of direct promotion so I am clear on what you consider to be inconsistent with regard to the policy. (Let's take that exchange off list since it is likely to not be of interest to the community)
                    >
                    > I am trying to be fair to vendors and service providers while maintaining the educational tone and purpose of the group.
                    >
                    > I am open to suggestions as to how this can be addressed moving forward.
                    >
                    > Seth
                    >
                    > Seth Earley
                    > CEO
                    > Earley & Associates, Inc
                    > 781-820-8080
                    > seth@...
                    > www.earley.com
                    >
                    > ________________________________
                    > From: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Sat Jul 30 22:27:28 2011
                    > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Seth;
                    >
                    > Given the long history of this group supporting paid-for services (including yours) and other products I find this admonition a bit disingeuous. You can't have it both ways, even if you disagree with the approach taken by TemaTres, so decide whether all vendors should be excluded from marketing their wares here or open it up to everyone.
                    >
                    > John O'
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: Seth Earley [mailto:seth@...]
                    > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 02:19 PM
                    > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                    >
                    >
                    > Hi Marijane,
                    >
                    > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
                    > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
                    >
                    > Seth
                    > Seth
                    >
                    > Seth Earley
                    > CEO
                    > Earley & Associates, Inc
                    > 781-820-8080
                    > seth@...
                    > www.earley.com
                    >
                    > ________________________________
                    > From: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
                    > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                    >
                    >
                    > Hi TaxoCoP,
                    >
                    > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server. Details below.
                    >
                    > -marijane
                    >
                    > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                    > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
                    > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
                    > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                    > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
                    >
                    >
                    > We have the glad to invite to test the beta version of Tematres 1.4
                    >
                    > TemaTres is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
                    > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
                    > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
                    >
                    > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
                    >
                    > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
                    > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
                    > quality indicators:
                    > - Free Terms
                    > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
                    > - Average number of words per term
                    > - Terms per N Broader terms
                    > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
                    > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
                    >
                    > For more details:
                    > MARTÃ
                    NEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
                    > preferentes del tesauro: una
                    > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
                    > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
                    >
                    http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
                    >
                    > MARTÃ
                    NEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
                    > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
                    > Reflexión acerca de la Inve
                    stigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
                    > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
                    > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
                    > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > - User-defined notes
                    > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
                    > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
                    > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
                    >
                    > - Advanced configuration options
                    > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
                    > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
                    >
                    > - Import controlled vocabularies
                    > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
                    > For example:
                    >
                    >
                    > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
                    > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
                    > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
                    > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
                    >
                    >
                    > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
                    > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
                    > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
                    > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
                    >
                    > Examples
                    >
                    > Status:
                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
                    >
                    > Terms beginning with the letter B:
                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
                    >
                    > Search Terms :
                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
                    >
                    > Vocabulary Data
                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
                    >
                    > Top of vocabulary terms
                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
                    >
                    > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Apologies for any cross-posting. Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
                    >
                    >
                    > Diego Ferreyra
                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com<http://www.vocabularyserver.com/>
                    >



                  • Seth Earley
                    Thank you Patrick. I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts. I would say you accurately conveyed the dilemma and position. We do have a
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                      Thank you Patrick.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts.  I would say you accurately conveyed the dilemma and position.  We do have a taxonomy tool called Wordmap, which we have not spent any time promoting here on the list. 

                       

                      I do welcome the examination of boundaries and would like to have additional people making the assessments.  In fact I would invite anyone who has a point of view to help us review and update policies.  Please contact Sharon@... off list if you would be interested in moderating, helping to produce programs, conducting research, contacting vendors, etc in support of the goals of the community. 

                       

                      We might have a vendor focused call series that we can run from time to time.  Or invite customers of vendors to present their experiences with particular tools.

                       

                      I agree with your points Patrick about what makes a vendor relationship a problem.   I enjoy interesting technology but don’t like some of the tactics I have seen over the years used by some companies. (Which goes for services firms as well as product firms…)

                       

                      In any case, this is a good opportunity to decide on the future direction of the list.  Here is one comment I received off list:

                       

                      “I'm on a discussion group with over 3400 members.  The list owner is VERY VERY strict about his no advertising policy.  That would include the 'educational' webinars as well.  No advertising is no advertising.  Some very large and busy groups have a strict policy except for one day a week "Off-Topic Monday" for instance.  “

                       

                      There are a range of possibilities that can be explored.  I would like to have a volunteer lead this effort to define policies (which takes the focus from my nefarious plans.  <smile>)  We can set up a call to discuss with interested parties and draft a new set of guidelines.  We can then reach out to software vendors and solicit contributions if that makes sense. 

                       

                      Seth

                       

                      Seth Earley

                      CEO
                      _____________________________

                      EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                      Cell: 781-820-8080

                      Email: seth@...  

                      Web: www.earley.com

                       

                      Follow me on twitter: sethearley

                      Connect with me on  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethearley   

                       

                      From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Lambe
                      Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 4:29 AM
                      To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                       

                       

                      I didn't think from Seth's original email that he was trying to shut down such contributions. I thought he was reminding us of a convention we've had, and inviting us to consider whether we wanted to change that.

                       

                      All of my three-person company are actively involved in a non-profit KM society here in Singapore. So I know that there are occupational hazards in being a vendor when you are also seeking to promote professional knowledge in a non-profit setting. It's so easy to be accused of self-interest. And it's difficult to balance the legitimate demands of a business (earn enough money to pay my employees and my family) with giving away free time and expertise and helping other people learn with no certain tangible reward from it.

                       

                      I think one needs to have a certain level of conscious altruism to do it (ie not be so conscious of ROI matters when contributing - you'd go crazy). I think one needs to have a very clear sense of role-shift - community role vs market/business role, and not mix them up. But it is extremely disappointing when what you consider to be altruistic contributions (no tangible rewards) seem to be thrown back at you as "you're just doing free marketing". I can't see into Seth's mind, but I can remember occasions when the phrase "ungrateful bastards" has gone through my mind. Of course, all this is in the heat of the moment - and the few people who criticise too easily overshadow the many people who are appreciative.

                       

                      My own sense of Seth's engagement in this forum is that he is very good at managing the distinction/balance between business interest and community interest. If anything I suspect this discussion arises from hyper-sensitivity on his part about vendor technology pitches, because he has an interest in a technology tool and is ultra-cautious about letting that affect his participation here. So I actually think some of the disingenuity comments are rather unfair, although I accept they may reflect genuine perceptions.

                       

                      Good professional forums (and this is a good one) don't happen spontaneously - somebody needs to steward them, and I think we should credit Seth (and other key contributors) for providing that very steady stewardship.

                       

                      To me the key question is, WOULD we be flooded with irritating and non-educational vendor pitches if we allowed the kind of emails that started this? Well I think not, if we say we only want messages of major releases or initiatives or features, and no more than one announcement - ie set boundaries, and then make sure the first couple of people to cross the boundary are clearly reminded. We are adults, after all.

                       

                      I agree with the members who say that the technology piece is a useful one to know about. Vendors are not evil just because they are vendors. They are evil when they tell lies, spam us, or waste our time. And we should want vendors of good products and services to make money, otherwise how do we buy good products and services, and how do we learn from the expertise they put into their products and services?

                       

                      This still leaves Seth with a hyper-sensitivity problem - if vendor emails are allowed, he'll still be open to accusations of over-exploiting that opportunity if his company happens to make better use of the facility than other vendors. Maybe the solution is to broaden the circle of moderators, so he doesn't have to attract all the slings and arrows of outraged taxonomists every time he - quite correctly - invites us to consider the boundaries we want to put in place for ourselves.

                       

                      P

                       

                      Patrick Lambe

                       

                      website: www.straitsknowledge.com

                       

                      Have you seen our new KM Planning Toolkit?  

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                      On Aug 2, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Seth Earley wrote:



                       

                       

                      Hi Matt,

                       

                      There has never been any restriction on announcements from other companies as long as they focused on a topic of interest to the group.  There have been many announcements of Webinars  and conferences on this list over the years other than those produced by my organization.

                       

                      I find it hard to believe that you think our topics are not of interest to KM professionals.  According to my records you have been to a few out of the over 100 calls that we have delivered over the past five years.   We consistently hear that our events are of value and provide free approaches and methodologies for the community. 

                       

                      Here is a note I sent to a couple of folks off list.  I am sending this so that people understand the perspective that I have on this group and how I will adapt the group to suit the needs of the community . 

                       

                      -------

                      Vendor Pitches versus Educational Calls:

                       

                      As one of my notes indicated, yes, our calls are part of a marketing activity.  However we do not pitch our services as the topic of the call.  I think there is a difference between doing a call as education and getting some marketing out of that versus doing a call to just sell services. 

                       

                      We have worked over the years to contribute to the community and educate the industry.  I have also tried to maintain a spam free tone for the group. 

                       

                      We give away a great deal of IP in our calls (I have been told by many people) and competitors consistently attend the calls. 

                       

                      So to characterize our calls as being about selling services is a little unfair in my opinion – there are more non  prospects on these calls than prospects.

                       

                      There is a significant cost to running these calls and in actuality, most of the attendees are not people who buy from us.  There is a pretty large group who attend call after call in some cases year after year.  We have actually been considering charging for the calls again so my comment was not flip (I realize it may have appeared that way after I sent it off)

                       

                      In any case, I will survey the list members to understand what kinds of information they would like to see.  If I take away the product pitching prohibition then we may see a significant change to the tone of the list.  I have nothing against vendor information, but I do see lists with a great deal of announcements without contributions of members or interactions on the list.    Many vendor pitches are little more than marketing points with little practitioner value. 

                      -------------------------  

                       

                      As I say, there has never been a restriction on vendors promoting educational calls that were not direct product pitches.  This is consistent with most conferences where I have spoken at over the past several years.  If the group wants product pitches we can certainly accommodate this. 

                       

                      Your comment: “Selective enforcement (by a vendor representative, no less) of policies on who gets to post what to this list does more, I would venture, to stifle participation than additional vendor postings will. “

                       

                      Our policies have been consistent.  I am the list founder and have put a great deal of energy into this list maintaining a tone of helpfulness and community. I very rarely restrict any information or ban a member. (Perhaps one message and one member over the past 6 years).   The last time that I had feedback on a vendor’s product pitch was from another vendor who thought that things were being selectively enforced in the other direction – that we were letting too many vendors talk about their products. 

                       

                      Realize also that a call can cost several thousands of dollars and the entire call series over the past 6 years has provided less than a dozen opportunities. Clearly this is good marketing but is not effective selling.  We would be better off not putting any attention into the group and focusing on paid sponsorships of conferences where we could pitch at will… J

                       

                      Most of the time, these events appeal to practitioners who are interested in learning how to do these types of projects (contrary to your assertion).  But again, if people are no longer interested in these calls or have moved beyond them, we are better off charging for those who still have an interest in the topics.  As I say, I will go with a survey to get to the needs of the full group.  We’ll see. Based on this limited feedback I am leaning toward discontinuing them (which we have considered at a number of points in the past) or once again charging for the information.  

                       

                      There are a couple of other moderators who might want to speak up.  Or we can use this as an opportunity to recruit new moderators. 

                       

                      If you value this group an care about the tone, then let me know (preferably off list at this point).   If you value the free calls, let us know that as well. 

                       

                      Thanks. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                          

                      Seth

                       

                      Seth Earley

                      CEO
                      _____________________________

                      EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                      Cell: 781-820-8080

                      Email: seth@...  

                      Web: www.earley.com

                       

                      Follow me on twitter: sethearley

                      Connect with me on  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethearley   

                       

                      From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Johnson
                      Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:26 PM
                      To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                       

                       

                      Hi Seth,

                       

                      If charging for the webinars would mean that vendor-related postings apart from Earley’s could also be shared with this list, then I would request that you do just that.  The number I’ve registered for over the years have been consistently oriented towards the needs of business stakeholders rather than taxonomists and other KM professionals, who I imagine (hope?) comprise a majority of the list’s membership.  Consequently, their educational value to this audience is fairly limited relative to their promotional value.

                       

                      Selective enforcement (by a vendor representative, no less) of policies on who gets to post what to this list does more, I would venture, to stifle participation than additional vendor postings will. 

                       

                      Respectfully,

                       

                      Matt Johnson

                      Program Manager, Information Standards, eServices

                      EMC Corporation

                       

                       

                      Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:43 PM

                      Subject: RE: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                       

                       

                      Perhaps we should go back to charging for them…

                      Seth

                      Seth Earley

                      CEO
                      _____________________________

                      EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                      Cell: 781-820-8080

                      Email: seth@...  

                      Web: www.earley.com

                      Follow me on twitter: sethearley

                      Connect with me on  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethearley   

                      From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint
                      Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:06 PM
                      To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                       

                      I would like to hear about any software that may help me do my job better and easier. Considering how little software there truly is for taxonomy, I wouldn't be overly concerned about the board being overrun with announcements.

                      And the Seth Earley & Assoc 'educational' webinars are about selling consulting services as much as they are educational.

                      Clint Elmore
                      Taxonomic Data Governance Czar
                      Sears Holding Corporation

                      --- In mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Hi John O',
                      >
                      > As the group founder I have tried to have a consistent policy around not directly promoting products and services on the list. I consider announcements around webinars to be educational as opposed to product or service promotion. Of course those are in support of a marketing effort but the events don't focus directly on a product or offering but rather on a topic of interest to the group.
                      >
                      > For example, a webinar might have Smartlogic as a sponsor or speaker but the topic would be about faceted search, etc
                      >
                      > Perhaps you can point to some instances of direct promotion so I am clear on what you consider to be inconsistent with regard to the policy. (Let's take that exchange off list since it is likely to not be of interest to the community)
                      >
                      > I am trying to be fair to vendors and service providers while maintaining the educational tone and purpose of the group.
                      >
                      > I am open to suggestions as to how this can be addressed moving forward.
                      >
                      > Seth
                      >
                      > Seth Earley
                      > CEO
                      > Earley & Associates, Inc
                      > 781-820-8080
                      > seth@...
                      > www.earley.com
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > From: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Sat Jul 30 22:27:28 2011
                      > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Seth;
                      >
                      > Given the long history of this group supporting paid-for services (including yours) and other products I find this admonition a bit disingeuous. You can't have it both ways, even if you disagree with the approach taken by TemaTres, so decide whether all vendors should be excluded from marketing their wares here or open it up to everyone.
                      >
                      > John O'
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: Seth Earley [mailto:seth@...]
                      > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 02:19 PM
                      > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi Marijane,
                      >
                      > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
                      > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
                      >
                      > Seth
                      > Seth
                      >
                      > Seth Earley
                      > CEO
                      > Earley & Associates, Inc
                      > 781-820-8080
                      > seth@...
                      > www.earley.com
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > From: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
                      > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi TaxoCoP,
                      >
                      > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server. Details below.
                      >
                      > -marijane
                      >
                      > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                      > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
                      > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
                      > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                      > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
                      >
                      >
                      > We have the glad to invite to test the beta version of Tematres 1.4
                      >
                      > TemaTres is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
                      > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
                      > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
                      >
                      > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
                      >
                      > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
                      > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
                      > quality indicators:
                      > - Free Terms
                      > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
                      > - Average number of words per term
                      > - Terms per N Broader terms
                      > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
                      > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
                      >
                      > For more details:
                      > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
                      > preferentes del tesauro: una
                      > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
                      > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
                      > http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
                      >
                      > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
                      > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
                      > Reflexión acerca de la Investigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
                      > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
                      > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
                      > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > - User-defined notes
                      > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
                      > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
                      > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
                      >
                      > - Advanced configuration options
                      > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
                      > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
                      >
                      > - Import controlled vocabularies
                      > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
                      > For example:
                      >
                      >
                      > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
                      > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
                      > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
                      > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
                      >
                      >
                      > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
                      > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
                      > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
                      > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
                      >
                      > Examples
                      >
                      > Status:
                      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
                      >
                      > Terms beginning with the letter B:
                      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
                      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
                      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
                      >
                      > Search Terms :
                      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
                      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
                      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
                      >
                      > Vocabulary Data
                      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
                      >
                      > Top of vocabulary terms
                      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
                      >
                      > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Apologies for any cross-posting. Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
                      >
                      >
                      > Diego Ferreyra
                      > http://www.vocabularyserver.com<http://www.vocabularyserver.com/>
                      >

                       

                       

                    • Heffernan
                      Apart from a certain ingratitude in biting the hand that feeds one, there are some benchmarks to which one might refer. On the call side, AIIM, ASIST,
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                        Apart from a certain ingratitude in biting the hand that feeds one, there are some benchmarks to which one might refer.

                         

                        On the call side, AIIM, ASIST, MindTouch, KMWorld, InformationWeek, User Interface Engineering, Metastorm Inc, and Data Governance Professional Organization, among others, all do webinars of interest and are competitive with the TaxoCoP and Earley calls.

                         

                        The TaxoCoP calls compare favorably with these in terms of topics, depth of coverage, thought leadership, and vendor information. There can be no one source of information and blending them to address ones specific needs seems a modest investment of time.  Indeed The Earley calls are more detailed, more thorough, and more vendor agnostic than all of the aforementioned.

                         

                        Finally, one notes that solicitation of topics for future calls is usual common coda to them, and there appears to be no barrier to those sufficiently forthcoming to make suggestion.  I do not recall that as part of other the webinar series of which I am aware.

                         

                        Hence, the judgment of some regarding the Earley calls is precisely the opposite that which seems reasonable.

                         

                        On the list side, I am aware of two extremes, which will remain nameless.  One the moderator seems to comment on every single thread, which gets tiresome as it has the effect of enforcing that moderator's particular take on technologies and praxis.  The other, the moderator is so out of the picture that the list frequently digresses and degenerates into unedifying exchanges.  This list is typically nothing if not a collegial professional forum for understanding and elaborating new or difficult ideas.

                         

                        As much as the tools and technologies get one in touch with one's inner geek, one can find out about them with some directness and independent effort.  The value of this list and these calls is they cut through the masts of professionalism to engage the more intellectual dimensions and problems of the work/tasks at hand.

                         

                        John Heffernan

                         

                         

                        From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Lambe
                        Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 4:29 AM
                        To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                         

                         

                        I didn't think from Seth's original email that he was trying to shut down such contributions. I thought he was reminding us of a convention we've had, and inviting us to consider whether we wanted to change that.

                         

                        All of my three-person company are actively involved in a non-profit KM society here in Singapore. So I know that there are occupational hazards in being a vendor when you are also seeking to promote professional knowledge in a non-profit setting. It's so easy to be accused of self-interest. And it's difficult to balance the legitimate demands of a business (earn enough money to pay my employees and my family) with giving away free time and expertise and helping other people learn with no certain tangible reward from it.

                         

                        I think one needs to have a certain level of conscious altruism to do it (ie not be so conscious of ROI matters when contributing - you'd go crazy). I think one needs to have a very clear sense of role-shift - community role vs market/business role, and not mix them up. But it is extremely disappointing when what you consider to be altruistic contributions (no tangible rewards) seem to be thrown back at you as "you're just doing free marketing". I can't see into Seth's mind, but I can remember occasions when the phrase "ungrateful bastards" has gone through my mind. Of course, all this is in the heat of the moment - and the few people who criticise too easily overshadow the many people who are appreciative.

                         

                        My own sense of Seth's engagement in this forum is that he is very good at managing the distinction/balance between business interest and community interest. If anything I suspect this discussion arises from hyper-sensitivity on his part about vendor technology pitches, because he has an interest in a technology tool and is ultra-cautious about letting that affect his participation here. So I actually think some of the disingenuity comments are rather unfair, although I accept they may reflect genuine perceptions.

                         

                        Good professional forums (and this is a good one) don't happen spontaneously - somebody needs to steward them, and I think we should credit Seth (and other key contributors) for providing that very steady stewardship.

                         

                        To me the key question is, WOULD we be flooded with irritating and non-educational vendor pitches if we allowed the kind of emails that started this? Well I think not, if we say we only want messages of major releases or initiatives or features, and no more than one announcement - ie set boundaries, and then make sure the first couple of people to cross the boundary are clearly reminded. We are adults, after all.

                         

                        I agree with the members who say that the technology piece is a useful one to know about. Vendors are not evil just because they are vendors. They are evil when they tell lies, spam us, or waste our time. And we should want vendors of good products and services to make money, otherwise how do we buy good products and services, and how do we learn from the expertise they put into their products and services?

                         

                        This still leaves Seth with a hyper-sensitivity problem - if vendor emails are allowed, he'll still be open to accusations of over-exploiting that opportunity if his company happens to make better use of the facility than other vendors. Maybe the solution is to broaden the circle of moderators, so he doesn't have to attract all the slings and arrows of outraged taxonomists every time he - quite correctly - invites us to consider the boundaries we want to put in place for ourselves.

                         

                        P

                         

                        Patrick Lambe

                         

                        website: www.straitsknowledge.com

                         

                        Have you seen our new KM Planning Toolkit?  

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                        On Aug 2, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Seth Earley wrote:



                         

                         

                        Hi Matt,

                         

                        There has never been any restriction on announcements from other companies as long as they focused on a topic of interest to the group.  There have been many announcements of Webinars  and conferences on this list over the years other than those produced by my organization.

                         

                        I find it hard to believe that you think our topics are not of interest to KM professionals.  According to my records you have been to a few out of the over 100 calls that we have delivered over the past five years.   We consistently hear that our events are of value and provide free approaches and methodologies for the community. 

                         

                        Here is a note I sent to a couple of folks off list.  I am sending this so that people understand the perspective that I have on this group and how I will adapt the group to suit the needs of the community . 

                         

                        -------

                        Vendor Pitches versus Educational Calls:

                         

                        As one of my notes indicated, yes, our calls are part of a marketing activity.  However we do not pitch our services as the topic of the call.  I think there is a difference between doing a call as education and getting some marketing out of that versus doing a call to just sell services. 

                         

                        We have worked over the years to contribute to the community and educate the industry.  I have also tried to maintain a spam free tone for the group. 

                         

                        We give away a great deal of IP in our calls (I have been told by many people) and competitors consistently attend the calls. 

                         

                        So to characterize our calls as being about selling services is a little unfair in my opinion – there are more non  prospects on these calls than prospects.

                         

                        There is a significant cost to running these calls and in actuality, most of the attendees are not people who buy from us.  There is a pretty large group who attend call after call in some cases year after year.  We have actually been considering charging for the calls again so my comment was not flip (I realize it may have appeared that way after I sent it off)

                         

                        In any case, I will survey the list members to understand what kinds of information they would like to see.  If I take away the product pitching prohibition then we may see a significant change to the tone of the list.  I have nothing against vendor information, but I do see lists with a great deal of announcements without contributions of members or interactions on the list.    Many vendor pitches are little more than marketing points with little practitioner value. 

                        -------------------------  

                         

                        As I say, there has never been a restriction on vendors promoting educational calls that were not direct product pitches.  This is consistent with most conferences where I have spoken at over the past several years.  If the group wants product pitches we can certainly accommodate this. 

                         

                        Your comment: “Selective enforcement (by a vendor representative, no less) of policies on who gets to post what to this list does more, I would venture, to stifle participation than additional vendor postings will. “

                         

                        Our policies have been consistent.  I am the list founder and have put a great deal of energy into this list maintaining a tone of helpfulness and community. I very rarely restrict any information or ban a member. (Perhaps one message and one member over the past 6 years).   The last time that I had feedback on a vendor’s product pitch was from another vendor who thought that things were being selectively enforced in the other direction – that we were letting too many vendors talk about their products. 

                         

                        Realize also that a call can cost several thousands of dollars and the entire call series over the past 6 years has provided less than a dozen opportunities. Clearly this is good marketing but is not effective selling.  We would be better off not putting any attention into the group and focusing on paid sponsorships of conferences where we could pitch at will… J

                         

                        Most of the time, these events appeal to practitioners who are interested in learning how to do these types of projects (contrary to your assertion).  But again, if people are no longer interested in these calls or have moved beyond them, we are better off charging for those who still have an interest in the topics.  As I say, I will go with a survey to get to the needs of the full group.  We’ll see. Based on this limited feedback I am leaning toward discontinuing them (which we have considered at a number of points in the past) or once again charging for the information.  

                         

                        There are a couple of other moderators who might want to speak up.  Or we can use this as an opportunity to recruit new moderators. 

                         

                        If you value this group an care about the tone, then let me know (preferably off list at this point).   If you value the free calls, let us know that as well. 

                         

                        Thanks. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                            

                        Seth

                         

                        Seth Earley

                        CEO
                        _____________________________

                        EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                        Cell: 781-820-8080

                        Email: seth@...  

                        Web: www.earley.com

                         

                        Follow me on twitter: sethearley

                        Connect with me on  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethearley   

                         

                        From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Johnson
                        Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:26 PM
                        To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                         

                         

                        Hi Seth,

                         

                        If charging for the webinars would mean that vendor-related postings apart from Earley’s could also be shared with this list, then I would request that you do just that.  The number I’ve registered for over the years have been consistently oriented towards the needs of business stakeholders rather than taxonomists and other KM professionals, who I imagine (hope?) comprise a majority of the list’s membership.  Consequently, their educational value to this audience is fairly limited relative to their promotional value.

                         

                        Selective enforcement (by a vendor representative, no less) of policies on who gets to post what to this list does more, I would venture, to stifle participation than additional vendor postings will. 

                         

                        Respectfully,

                         

                        Matt Johnson

                        Program Manager, Information Standards, eServices

                        EMC Corporation

                         

                         

                        Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:43 PM

                        Subject: RE: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                         

                         

                        Perhaps we should go back to charging for them…

                        Seth

                        Seth Earley

                        CEO
                        _____________________________

                        EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                        Cell: 781-820-8080

                        Email: seth@...  

                        Web: www.earley.com

                        Follow me on twitter: sethearley

                        Connect with me on  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethearley   

                        From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint
                        Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:06 PM
                        To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                         

                        I would like to hear about any software that may help me do my job better and easier. Considering how little software there truly is for taxonomy, I wouldn't be overly concerned about the board being overrun with announcements.

                        And the Seth Earley & Assoc 'educational' webinars are about selling consulting services as much as they are educational.

                        Clint Elmore
                        Taxonomic Data Governance Czar
                        Sears Holding Corporation

                        --- In mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Hi John O',
                        >
                        > As the group founder I have tried to have a consistent policy around not directly promoting products and services on the list. I consider announcements around webinars to be educational as opposed to product or service promotion. Of course those are in support of a marketing effort but the events don't focus directly on a product or offering but rather on a topic of interest to the group.
                        >
                        > For example, a webinar might have Smartlogic as a sponsor or speaker but the topic would be about faceted search, etc
                        >
                        > Perhaps you can point to some instances of direct promotion so I am clear on what you consider to be inconsistent with regard to the policy. (Let's take that exchange off list since it is likely to not be of interest to the community)
                        >
                        > I am trying to be fair to vendors and service providers while maintaining the educational tone and purpose of the group.
                        >
                        > I am open to suggestions as to how this can be addressed moving forward.
                        >
                        > Seth
                        >
                        > Seth Earley
                        > CEO
                        > Earley & Associates, Inc
                        > 781-820-8080
                        > seth@...
                        > www.earley.com
                        >
                        > ________________________________
                        > From: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Sat Jul 30 22:27:28 2011
                        > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Seth;
                        >
                        > Given the long history of this group supporting paid-for services (including yours) and other products I find this admonition a bit disingeuous. You can't have it both ways, even if you disagree with the approach taken by TemaTres, so decide whether all vendors should be excluded from marketing their wares here or open it up to everyone.
                        >
                        > John O'
                        > -----Original Message-----
                        > From: Seth Earley [mailto:seth@...]
                        > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 02:19 PM
                        > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                        >
                        >
                        > Hi Marijane,
                        >
                        > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
                        > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
                        >
                        > Seth
                        > Seth
                        >
                        > Seth Earley
                        > CEO
                        > Earley & Associates, Inc
                        > 781-820-8080
                        > seth@...
                        > www.earley.com
                        >
                        > ________________________________
                        > From: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
                        > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                        >
                        >
                        > Hi TaxoCoP,
                        >
                        > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server. Details below.
                        >
                        > -marijane
                        >
                        > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                        > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
                        > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
                        > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                        > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
                        >
                        >
                        > We have the glad to invite to test the beta version of Tematres 1.4
                        >
                        > TemaTres is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
                        > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
                        > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
                        >
                        > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
                        >
                        > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
                        > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
                        > quality indicators:
                        > - Free Terms
                        > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
                        > - Average number of words per term
                        > - Terms per N Broader terms
                        > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
                        > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
                        >
                        > For more details:
                        > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
                        > preferentes del tesauro: una
                        > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
                        > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
                        > http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
                        >
                        > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
                        > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
                        > Reflexión acerca de la Investigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
                        > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
                        > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
                        > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > - User-defined notes
                        > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
                        > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
                        > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
                        >
                        > - Advanced configuration options
                        > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
                        > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
                        >
                        > - Import controlled vocabularies
                        > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
                        > For example:
                        >
                        >
                        > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
                        > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
                        > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
                        > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
                        >
                        >
                        > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
                        > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
                        > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
                        > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
                        >
                        > Examples
                        >
                        > Status:
                        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
                        >
                        > Terms beginning with the letter B:
                        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
                        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
                        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
                        >
                        > Search Terms :
                        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
                        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
                        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
                        >
                        > Vocabulary Data
                        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
                        >
                        > Top of vocabulary terms
                        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
                        >
                        > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Apologies for any cross-posting. Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
                        >
                        >
                        > Diego Ferreyra
                        > http://www.vocabularyserver.com<http://www.vocabularyserver.com/>
                        >

                         

                         

                         

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                        I did not mean to suggest that the webinar topics are not of interest to a KM audience; if I felt that way I would not have joined webinars in the past. I do
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                          I did not mean to suggest that the webinar topics are not of interest to a KM audience; if I felt that way I would not have joined webinars in the past. I do feel that the webinars as presented are not strongly oriented towards the knowledge and skill levels of KM professionals.  They often treat KM topics at a very fundamental level.  Judging by other comments on this thread, I'm not alone in that estimation.

                          It's commendable that you want to continue to offer educational value to a KM audience. To that end, I would recommend encouraging your presenters to address that audience more specifically.

                          I would maintain that a disproportionate amount of conversation on this list is devoted to the question of what should and should not be shared here.  While I concede that that's not the same thing as restricting postings or banning members, I'm nonetheless concerned that it may have a chilling effect on list contributions. I'm hopeful that involving more of the membership in the maintenance of the list will address those concerns.

                          - Matt
                           

                          Sent from my Windows Phone


                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: Seth Earley
                          Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:55 AM
                          To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: RE: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                           

                          Hi Matt,

                           

                          There has never been any restriction on announcements from other companies as long as they focused on a topic of interest to the group.  There have been many announcements of Webinars  and conferences on this list over the years other than those produced by my organization.

                           

                          I find it hard to believe that you think our topics are not of interest to KM professionals.  According to my records you have been to a few out of the over 100 calls that we have delivered over the past five years.   We consistently hear that our events are of value and provide free approaches and methodologies for the community. 

                           

                          Here is a note I sent to a couple of folks off list.  I am sending this so that people understand the perspective that I have on this group and how I will adapt the group to suit the needs of the community . 

                           

                          -------

                          Vendor Pitches versus Educational Calls:

                           

                          As one of my notes indicated, yes, our calls are part of a marketing activity.  However we do not pitch our services as the topic of the call.  I think there is a difference between doing a call as education and getting some marketing out of that versus doing a call to just sell services. 

                           

                          We have worked over the years to contribute to the community and educate the industry.  I have also tried to maintain a spam free tone for the group. 

                           

                          We give away a great deal of IP in our calls (I have been told by many people) and competitors consistently attend the calls. 

                           

                          So to characterize our calls as being about selling services is a little unfair in my opinion – there are more non  prospects on these calls than prospects.

                           

                          There is a significant cost to running these calls and in actuality, most of the attendees are not people who buy from us.  There is a pretty large group who attend call after call in some cases year after year.  We have actually been considering charging for the calls again so my comment was not flip (I realize it may have appeared that way after I sent it off)

                           

                          In any case, I will survey the list members to understand what kinds of information they would like to see.  If I take away the product pitching prohibition then we may see a significant change to the tone of the list.  I have nothing against vendor information, but I do see lists with a great deal of announcements without contributions of members or interactions on the list.    Many vendor pitches are little more than marketing points with little practitioner value. 

                          -------------------------  

                           

                          As I say, there has never been a restriction on vendors promoting educational calls that were not direct product pitches.  This is consistent with most conferences where I have spoken at over the past several years.  If the group wants product pitches we can certainly accommodate this. 

                           

                          Your comment: “Selective enforcement (by a vendor representative, no less) of policies on who gets to post what to this list does more, I would venture, to stifle participation than additional vendor postings will. “

                           

                          Our policies have been consistent.  I am the list founder and have put a great deal of energy into this list maintaining a tone of helpfulness and community. I very rarely restrict any information or ban a member. (Perhaps one message and one member over the past 6 years).   The last time that I had feedback on a vendor’s product pitch was from another vendor who thought that things were being selectively enforced in the other direction – that we were letting too many vendors talk about their products. 

                           

                          Realize also that a call can cost several thousands of dollars and the entire call series over the past 6 years has provided less than a dozen opportunities. Clearly this is good marketing but is not effective selling.  We would be better off not putting any attention into the group and focusing on paid sponsorships of conferences where we could pitch at will… J

                           

                          Most of the time, these events appeal to practitioners who are interested in learning how to do these types of projects (contrary to your assertion).  But again, if people are no longer interested in these calls or have moved beyond them, we are better off charging for those who still have an interest in the topics.  As I say, I will go with a survey to get to the needs of the full group.  We’ll see. Based on this limited feedback I am leaning toward discontinuing them (which we have considered at a number of points in the past) or once again charging for the information.  

                           

                          There are a couple of other moderators who might want to speak up.  Or we can use this as an opportunity to recruit new moderators. 

                           

                          If you value this group an care about the tone, then let me know (preferably off list at this point).   If you value the free calls, let us know that as well. 

                           

                          Thanks. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                              

                          Seth

                           

                          Seth Earley

                          CEO
                          _____________________________

                          EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                          Cell: 781-820-8080

                          Email: seth@...  

                          Web: www.earley.com

                           

                          Follow me on twitter: sethearley

                          Connect with me on  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethearley   

                           

                          From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Johnson
                          Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:26 PM
                          To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                           

                           

                          Hi Seth,

                           

                          If charging for the webinars would mean that vendor-related postings apart from Earley’s could also be shared with this list, then I would request that you do just that.  The number I’ve registered for over the years have been consistently oriented towards the needs of business stakeholders rather than taxonomists and other KM professionals, who I imagine (hope?) comprise a majority of the list’s membership.  Consequently, their educational value to this audience is fairly limited relative to their promotional value.

                           

                          Selective enforcement (by a vendor representative, no less) of policies on who gets to post what to this list does more, I would venture, to stifle participation than additional vendor postings will. 

                           

                          Respectfully,

                           

                          Matt Johnson

                          Program Manager, Information Standards, eServices

                          EMC Corporation

                           

                           

                          Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:43 PM

                          Subject: RE: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                           

                           

                          Perhaps we should go back to charging for them…

                          Seth

                          Seth Earley

                          CEO
                          _____________________________

                          EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                          Cell: 781-820-8080

                          Email: seth@...  

                          Web: www.earley.com

                          Follow me on twitter: sethearley

                          Connect with me on  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethearley   

                          From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint
                          Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:06 PM
                          To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                           

                          I would like to hear about any software that may help me do my job better and easier. Considering how little software there truly is for taxonomy, I wouldn't be overly concerned about the board being overrun with announcements.

                          And the Seth Earley & Assoc 'educational' webinars are about selling consulting services as much as they are educational.

                          Clint Elmore
                          Taxonomic Data Governance Czar
                          Sears Holding Corporation

                          --- In mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Hi John O',
                          >
                          > As the group founder I have tried to have a consistent policy around not directly promoting products and services on the list. I consider announcements around webinars to be educational as opposed to product or service promotion. Of course those are in support of a marketing effort but the events don't focus directly on a product or offering but rather on a topic of interest to the group.
                          >
                          > For example, a webinar might have Smartlogic as a sponsor or speaker but the topic would be about faceted search, etc
                          >
                          > Perhaps you can point to some instances of direct promotion so I am clear on what you consider to be inconsistent with regard to the policy. (Let's take that exchange off list since it is likely to not be of interest to the community)
                          >
                          > I am trying to be fair to vendors and service providers while maintaining the educational tone and purpose of the group.
                          >
                          > I am open to suggestions as to how this can be addressed moving forward.
                          >
                          > Seth
                          >
                          > Seth Earley
                          > CEO
                          > Earley & Associates, Inc
                          > 781-820-8080
                          > seth@...
                          > www.earley.com
                          >
                          > ________________________________
                          > From: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Sat Jul 30 22:27:28 2011
                          > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Seth;
                          >
                          > Given the long history of this group supporting paid-for services (including yours) and other products I find this admonition a bit disingeuous. You can't have it both ways, even if you disagree with the approach taken by TemaTres, so decide whether all vendors should be excluded from marketing their wares here or open it up to everyone.
                          >
                          > John O'
                          > -----Original Message-----
                          > From: Seth Earley [mailto:seth@...]
                          > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 02:19 PM
                          > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com
                          > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                          >
                          >
                          > Hi Marijane,
                          >
                          > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
                          > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
                          >
                          > Seth
                          > Seth
                          >
                          > Seth Earley
                          > CEO
                          > Earley & Associates, Inc
                          > 781-820-8080
                          > seth@...
                          > www.earley.com
                          >
                          > ________________________________
                          > From: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > To: mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:TaxoCoP%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
                          > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                          >
                          >
                          > Hi TaxoCoP,
                          >
                          > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server. Details below.
                          >
                          > -marijane
                          >
                          > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                          > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
                          > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
                          > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                          > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
                          >
                          >
                          > We have the glad to invite to test the beta version of Tematres 1.4
                          >
                          > TemaTres is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
                          > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
                          > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
                          >
                          > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
                          >
                          > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
                          > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
                          > quality indicators:
                          > - Free Terms
                          > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
                          > - Average number of words per term
                          > - Terms per N Broader terms
                          > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
                          > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
                          >
                          > For more details:
                          > MARTÃ
                          NEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
                          > preferentes del tesauro: una
                          > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
                          > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
                          >
                          http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
                          >
                          > MARTÃ
                          NEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
                          > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
                          > Reflexión acerca de la Inve
                          stigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
                          > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
                          > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
                          > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > - User-defined notes
                          > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
                          > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
                          > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
                          >
                          > - Advanced configuration options
                          > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
                          > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
                          >
                          > - Import controlled vocabularies
                          > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
                          > For example:
                          >
                          >
                          > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
                          > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
                          > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
                          > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
                          >
                          >
                          > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
                          > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
                          > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
                          > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
                          >
                          > Examples
                          >
                          > Status:
                          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
                          >
                          > Terms beginning with the letter B:
                          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
                          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
                          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
                          >
                          > Search Terms :
                          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
                          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
                          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
                          >
                          > Vocabulary Data
                          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
                          >
                          > Top of vocabulary terms
                          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
                          >
                          > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Apologies for any cross-posting. Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
                          >
                          >
                          > Diego Ferreyra
                          > http://www.vocabularyserver.com<http://www.vocabularyserver.com/>
                          >

                        • Alice
                          I am primarily a taxonomist who also wears a vendor hat, so I m especially attuned to all the commentary about vendors roles in the community and the
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                            I am primarily a taxonomist who also wears a vendor hat, so I'm especially attuned to all the commentary about vendors' roles in the community and the importance of avoiding blatant promotion in this context. I know some promotional stuff has snuck in--I object strongly to extended posts about "new features". On this post, it was fine up to "Details below." I do not feel press releases or other commercial announcements belong in the discussion portion. However, such announcements have value and shouldn't be banished. They might be segregated somehow, with a link that people can choose to follow or not, and they should be limited in length and frequency.

                            Jenny, I second Patrick's thanks for the survey opportunity. Just needed a little space for a comment (opening a can of worms).

                            -alice

                            --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Hi Marijane,
                            >
                            > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
                            > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
                            >
                            > Seth
                            > Seth
                            >
                            > Seth Earley
                            > CEO
                            > Earley & Associates, Inc
                            > 781-820-8080
                            > seth@...
                            > www.earley.com
                            >
                            > ________________________________
                            > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
                            > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
                            > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
                            > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Hi TaxoCoP,
                            >
                            > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server. Details below.
                            >
                            > -marijane
                            >
                            > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                            > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
                            > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
                            > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                            > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
                            >
                            >
                            > We have the glad to invite to test the beta version of Tematres 1.4
                            >
                            > TemaTres is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
                            > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
                            > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
                            >
                            > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
                            >
                            > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
                            > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
                            > quality indicators:
                            > - Free Terms
                            > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
                            > - Average number of words per term
                            > - Terms per N Broader terms
                            > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
                            > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
                            >
                            > For more details:
                            > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
                            > preferentes del tesauro: una
                            > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
                            > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
                            > http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
                            >
                            > MARTÍNEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
                            > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
                            > Reflexión acerca de la Investigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
                            > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
                            > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
                            > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > - User-defined notes
                            > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
                            > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
                            > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
                            >
                            > - Advanced configuration options
                            > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
                            > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
                            >
                            > - Import controlled vocabularies
                            > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
                            > For example:
                            >
                            >
                            > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
                            > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
                            > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
                            > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
                            >
                            >
                            > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
                            > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
                            > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
                            > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
                            >
                            > Examples
                            >
                            > Status:
                            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
                            >
                            > Terms beginning with the letter B:
                            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
                            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
                            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
                            >
                            > Search Terms :
                            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
                            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
                            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
                            >
                            > Vocabulary Data
                            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
                            >
                            > Top of vocabulary terms
                            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
                            >
                            > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Apologies for any cross-posting. Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
                            >
                            >
                            > Diego Ferreyra
                            > http://www.vocabularyserver.com
                            >
                          • marijane white
                            I am curious, how do you all define commercial , as in commercial announcement ? I ask because TemaTres in particular is an open source product primarily
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                              I am curious, how do you all define "commercial", as in "commercial announcement"?  I ask because TemaTres in particular is an open source product primarily developed by a library school in Argentina.  Is that commercial?  I saw the announcement on the Code for Libraries list, a place where open source software announcements are very common.  I don't think I would have forwarded the announcement if it were for a proprietary product produced by a private company. (Nor would I have forwarded it if I hadn't used older versions of the software myself.) 


                              -marijane

                              On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Alice <aredmondneal@...> wrote:


                              I am primarily a taxonomist who also wears a vendor hat, so I'm especially attuned to all the commentary about vendors' roles in the community and the importance of avoiding blatant promotion in this context. I know some promotional stuff has snuck in--I object strongly to extended posts about "new features". On this post, it was fine up to "Details below." I do not feel press releases or other commercial announcements belong in the discussion portion. However, such announcements have value and shouldn't be banished. They might be segregated somehow, with a link that people can choose to follow or not, and they should be limited in length and frequency.

                              Jenny, I second Patrick's thanks for the survey opportunity. Just needed a little space for a comment (opening a can of worms).

                              -alice

                              --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Hi Marijane,
                              >
                              > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
                              > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
                              >
                              > Seth
                              > Seth
                              >
                              > Seth Earley
                              > CEO
                              > Earley & Associates, Inc
                              > 781-820-8080
                              > seth@...
                              > www.earley.com
                              >
                              > ________________________________
                              > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
                              > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
                              > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
                              > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Hi TaxoCoP,
                              >
                              > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server.  Details below.
                              >
                              > -marijane
                              >
                              > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                              > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
                              > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
                              > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                              > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
                              >
                              >
                              > We have the glad to invite to test  the beta version of Tematres 1.4
                              >
                              > TemaTres  is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
                              > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
                              > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
                              >
                              > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
                              >
                              > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
                              > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
                              > quality indicators:
                              > - Free Terms
                              > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
                              > - Average number of words per term
                              > - Terms per N Broader terms
                              > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
                              > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
                              >
                              > For more details:
                              > MARTà NEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
                              > preferentes del tesauro: una
                              > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
                              > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
                              > http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
                              >
                              > MARTÃ NEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
                              > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
                              > Reflexión acerca de la Investigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
                              > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
                              > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
                              > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > - User-defined notes
                              > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
                              > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
                              > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
                              >
                              > - Advanced configuration options
                              > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
                              > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
                              >
                              > - Import controlled vocabularies
                              > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
                              > For example:
                              >
                              >
                              > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
                              > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
                              > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
                              > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
                              >
                              >
                              > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
                              > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
                              > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
                              > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
                              >
                              > Examples
                              >
                              > Status:
                              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
                              >
                              > Terms beginning with the letter B:
                              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
                              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
                              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
                              >
                              > Search Terms :
                              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
                              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
                              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
                              >
                              > Vocabulary Data
                              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
                              >
                              > Top of vocabulary terms
                              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
                              >
                              > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Apologies for any cross-posting.  Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
                              >
                              >
                              > Diego Ferreyra
                              > http://www.vocabularyserver.com
                              >




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                            • Donna M. Fritzsche
                              Hi, Thanks for following up on this Marijane. I just had an aha! moment - this is free software - and you have used it. We need more announcements like this!
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                                Hi,
                                Thanks for following up on this Marijane.

                                I just had an aha! moment - this is free software - and you have used it.

                                We need more announcements like this!
                                We should have used some of this brain space to discuss the tool.

                                Can I ask, did you find it easy to install, etc.

                                Thanks,
                                Donna


                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: marijane white
                                Sent: Aug 4, 2011 11:12 AM
                                To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                                 

                                I am curious, how do you all define "commercial", as in "commercial announcement"?  I ask because TemaTres in particular is an open source product primarily developed by a library school in Argentina.  Is that commercial?  I saw the announcement on the Code for Libraries list, a place where open source software announcements are very common.  I don't think I would have forwarded the announcement if it were for a proprietary product produced by a private company. (Nor would I have forwarded it if I hadn't used older versions of the software myself.) 



                                -marijane

                                On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Alice <aredmondneal@...> wrote:


                                I am primarily a taxonomist who also wears a vendor hat, so I'm especially attuned to all the commentary about vendors' roles in the community and the importance of avoiding blatant promotion in this context. I know some promotional stuff has snuck in--I object strongly to extended posts about "new features". On this post, it was fine up to "Details below." I do not feel press releases or other commercial announcements belong in the discussion portion. However, such announcements have value and shouldn't be banished. They might be segregated somehow, with a link that people can choose to follow or not, and they should be limited in length and frequency.

                                Jenny, I second Patrick's thanks for the survey opportunity. Just needed a little space for a comment (opening a can of worms).

                                -alice

                                --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Hi Marijane,
                                >
                                > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
                                > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
                                >
                                > Seth
                                > Seth
                                >
                                > Seth Earley
                                > CEO
                                > Earley & Associates, Inc
                                > 781-820-8080
                                > seth@...
                                > www.earley.com
                                >
                                > ________________________________
                                > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
                                > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
                                > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
                                > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Hi TaxoCoP,
                                >
                                > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server.  Details below.
                                >
                                > -marijane
                                >
                                > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
                                > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
                                > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                                > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
                                >
                                >
                                > We have the glad to invite to test  the beta version of Tematres 1.4
                                >
                                > TemaTres  is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
                                > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
                                > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
                                >
                                > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
                                >
                                > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
                                > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
                                > quality indicators:
                                > - Free Terms
                                > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
                                > - Average number of words per term
                                > - Terms per N Broader terms
                                > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
                                > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
                                >
                                > For more details:
                                > MARTà NEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
                                > preferentes del tesauro: una
                                > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
                                > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
                                > http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
                                >
                                > MARTÃ NEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
                                > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
                                > Reflexión acerca de la Investigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
                                > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
                                > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
                                > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > - User-defined notes
                                > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
                                > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
                                > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
                                >
                                > - Advanced configuration options
                                > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
                                > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
                                >
                                > - Import controlled vocabularies
                                > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
                                > For example:
                                >
                                >
                                > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
                                > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
                                > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
                                > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
                                >
                                >
                                > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
                                > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
                                > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
                                > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
                                >
                                > Examples
                                >
                                > Status:
                                > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
                                >
                                > Terms beginning with the letter B:
                                > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
                                > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
                                > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
                                >
                                > Search Terms :
                                > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
                                > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
                                > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
                                >
                                > Vocabulary Data
                                > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
                                >
                                > Top of vocabulary terms
                                > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
                                >
                                > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Apologies for any cross-posting.  Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
                                >
                                >
                                > Diego Ferreyra
                                > http://www.vocabularyserver.com
                                >




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                              • marijane white
                                Donna, I suppose I should have been clearer that I had experience using it in my original message! I haven t tried the current version yet, but as I recall the
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                                  Donna,

                                  I suppose I should have been clearer that I had experience using it in my original message!

                                  I haven't tried the current version yet, but as I recall the installation requires some IT skills -- you need to have a server with PHP, a web server (like Apache), and a database server (like MySQL) installed.  There are a number of free packages available that will install the whole stack, which can make the process much easier.  I've used one called XAMPP, for example.  Once the prerequisites are in place, getting the software itself up and running isn't too difficult, I think you have to configure maybe two files and then you're in business.

                                  Much of the documentation is only in Spanish, as is the source code, but with the help of web translation tools I didn't find this to be much of an obstacle.  (Also, both the wiki and the software's user interface can be configured to display one of several languages.)  If you have a problem and contact the developers about it, they are very willing to help, but the language barrier can be an issue.  Once it's up and running, though, I found it pretty easy and enjoyable to use.  I was also extremely grateful for the fact that it is free -- at the time I was using it, I had no budget for tools, and would have gone without any otherwise.


                                  -marijane

                                  On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Donna M. Fritzsche <donnamarie@...> wrote:


                                  Hi,
                                  Thanks for following up on this Marijane.

                                  I just had an aha! moment - this is free software - and you have used it.

                                  We need more announcements like this!
                                  We should have used some of this brain space to discuss the tool.

                                  Can I ask, did you find it easy to install, etc.

                                  Thanks,
                                  Donna


                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: marijane white
                                  Sent: Aug 4, 2011 11:12 AM
                                  To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                                   

                                  I am curious, how do you all define "commercial", as in "commercial announcement"?  I ask because TemaTres in particular is an open source product primarily developed by a library school in Argentina.  Is that commercial?  I saw the announcement on the Code for Libraries list, a place where open source software announcements are very common.  I don't think I would have forwarded the announcement if it were for a proprietary product produced by a private company. (Nor would I have forwarded it if I hadn't used older versions of the software myself.) 



                                  -marijane

                                  On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Alice <aredmondneal@...> wrote:


                                  I am primarily a taxonomist who also wears a vendor hat, so I'm especially attuned to all the commentary about vendors' roles in the community and the importance of avoiding blatant promotion in this context. I know some promotional stuff has snuck in--I object strongly to extended posts about "new features". On this post, it was fine up to "Details below." I do not feel press releases or other commercial announcements belong in the discussion portion. However, such announcements have value and shouldn't be banished. They might be segregated somehow, with a link that people can choose to follow or not, and they should be limited in length and frequency.

                                  Jenny, I second Patrick's thanks for the survey opportunity. Just needed a little space for a comment (opening a can of worms).

                                  -alice

                                  --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Hi Marijane,
                                  >
                                  > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
                                  > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
                                  >
                                  > Seth
                                  > Seth
                                  >
                                  > Seth Earley
                                  > CEO
                                  > Earley & Associates, Inc
                                  > 781-820-8080
                                  > seth@...
                                  > www.earley.com
                                  >
                                  > ________________________________
                                  > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
                                  > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Hi TaxoCoP,
                                  >
                                  > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server.  Details below.
                                  >
                                  > -marijane
                                  >
                                  > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                  > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
                                  > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
                                  > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                                  > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > We have the glad to invite to test  the beta version of Tematres 1.4
                                  >
                                  > TemaTres  is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
                                  > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
                                  > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
                                  >
                                  > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
                                  >
                                  > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
                                  > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
                                  > quality indicators:
                                  > - Free Terms
                                  > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
                                  > - Average number of words per term
                                  > - Terms per N Broader terms
                                  > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
                                  > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
                                  >
                                  > For more details:
                                  > MARTà NEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
                                  > preferentes del tesauro: una
                                  > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
                                  > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
                                  > http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
                                  >
                                  > MARTÃ NEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
                                  > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
                                  > Reflexión acerca de la Investigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
                                  > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
                                  > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
                                  > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > - User-defined notes
                                  > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
                                  > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
                                  > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
                                  >
                                  > - Advanced configuration options
                                  > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
                                  > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
                                  >
                                  > - Import controlled vocabularies
                                  > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
                                  > For example:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
                                  > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
                                  > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
                                  > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
                                  > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
                                  > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
                                  > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
                                  >
                                  > Examples
                                  >
                                  > Status:
                                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
                                  >
                                  > Terms beginning with the letter B:
                                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
                                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
                                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
                                  >
                                  > Search Terms :
                                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
                                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
                                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
                                  >
                                  > Vocabulary Data
                                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
                                  >
                                  > Top of vocabulary terms
                                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
                                  >
                                  > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Apologies for any cross-posting.  Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Diego Ferreyra
                                  > http://www.vocabularyserver.com
                                  >




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                                • Heather Hedden
                                  There is an online/web demo version of TemaTres that I had tried out two years ago for the chapter on taxonomy/thesaurus management software for my book. It
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                                    There is an online/web demo version of TemaTres that I had tried out two years ago for the chapter on taxonomy/thesaurus management software for my book. It was strange, though, that it allowed circular relationships. I tried again just now, and it still let me create both an BT/NT and an Use/UF between the same pair of terms. For that reason I dismissed it. Maybe the version you install on your own server is better, although I don't see why something as basic as enforcing standard relationships would not be included in all versions.

                                    It didn't seem as if the message trail included the URL:

                                    Heather Hedden


                                    On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:39 PM, marijane white <marijane@...> wrote:


                                    Donna,

                                    I suppose I should have been clearer that I had experience using it in my original message!

                                    I haven't tried the current version yet, but as I recall the installation requires some IT skills -- you need to have a server with PHP, a web server (like Apache), and a database server (like MySQL) installed.  There are a number of free packages available that will install the whole stack, which can make the process much easier.  I've used one called XAMPP, for example.  Once the prerequisites are in place, getting the software itself up and running isn't too difficult, I think you have to configure maybe two files and then you're in business.

                                    Much of the documentation is only in Spanish, as is the source code, but with the help of web translation tools I didn't find this to be much of an obstacle.  (Also, both the wiki and the software's user interface can be configured to display one of several languages.)  If you have a problem and contact the developers about it, they are very willing to help, but the language barrier can be an issue.  Once it's up and running, though, I found it pretty easy and enjoyable to use.  I was also extremely grateful for the fact that it is free -- at the time I was using it, I had no budget for tools, and would have gone without any otherwise.


                                    -marijane


                                    On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Donna M. Fritzsche <donnamarie@...> wrote:


                                    Hi,
                                    Thanks for following up on this Marijane.

                                    I just had an aha! moment - this is free software - and you have used it.

                                    We need more announcements like this!
                                    We should have used some of this brain space to discuss the tool.

                                    Can I ask, did you find it easy to install, etc.

                                    Thanks,
                                    Donna


                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: marijane white
                                    Sent: Aug 4, 2011 11:12 AM
                                    To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server

                                     

                                    I am curious, how do you all define "commercial", as in "commercial announcement"?  I ask because TemaTres in particular is an open source product primarily developed by a library school in Argentina.  Is that commercial?  I saw the announcement on the Code for Libraries list, a place where open source software announcements are very common.  I don't think I would have forwarded the announcement if it were for a proprietary product produced by a private company. (Nor would I have forwarded it if I hadn't used older versions of the software myself.) 



                                    -marijane

                                    On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Alice <aredmondneal@...> wrote:


                                    I am primarily a taxonomist who also wears a vendor hat, so I'm especially attuned to all the commentary about vendors' roles in the community and the importance of avoiding blatant promotion in this context. I know some promotional stuff has snuck in--I object strongly to extended posts about "new features". On this post, it was fine up to "Details below." I do not feel press releases or other commercial announcements belong in the discussion portion. However, such announcements have value and shouldn't be banished. They might be segregated somehow, with a link that people can choose to follow or not, and they should be limited in length and frequency.

                                    Jenny, I second Patrick's thanks for the survey opportunity. Just needed a little space for a comment (opening a can of worms).

                                    -alice

                                    --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Hi Marijane,
                                    >
                                    > Though the info is appreciated, we discourage product announcements on the list (to be fair to the other vendors).
                                    > I am open to suggestions as to how we might handle these in the future...
                                    >
                                    > Seth
                                    > Seth
                                    >
                                    > Seth Earley
                                    > CEO
                                    > Earley & Associates, Inc
                                    > 781-820-8080
                                    > seth@...
                                    > www.earley.com
                                    >
                                    > ________________________________
                                    > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com <TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > Sent: Sat Jul 30 11:48:09 2011
                                    > Subject: [TaxoCoP] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Hi TaxoCoP,
                                    >
                                    > The TemaTres folks have released a new version of their vocabulary management server.  Details below.
                                    >
                                    > -marijane
                                    >
                                    > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                    > From: diego ferreyra <tematres@...<mailto:tematres@...>>
                                    > Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM
                                    > Subject: [CODE4LIB] TemaTres 1.4 released! : TemaTres is an open source vocabulary server
                                    > To: CODE4LIB@...<mailto:CODE4LIB@...>
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > We have the glad to invite to test  the beta version of Tematres 1.4
                                    >
                                    > TemaTres  is a web tool to manage, publish and exploit controlled
                                    > vocabularies and other formals representation of knowledge ( thesauri,
                                    > taxonomies, glossaries, etc) .
                                    >
                                    > This release includes the following fixes and improvements:
                                    >
                                    > - Quality indicators about controlled vocabularies
                                    > The Quality assurance was improved with reports about the following
                                    > quality indicators:
                                    > - Free Terms
                                    > - Terms without hierarchical relationships
                                    > - Average number of words per term
                                    > - Terms per N Broader terms
                                    > - Terms per N narrower terms and depth
                                    > - Terms words with not supported prefixes or suffixes
                                    >
                                    > For more details:
                                    > MARTà NEZ, A.M.a et al. Concepto, forma y longitud de los términos
                                    > preferentes del tesauro: una
                                    > propuesta de indicadores de calidad. Anales de Documentación, 2010,
                                    > vol. 13, p. 185-195.
                                    > http://revistas.um.es/analesdoc/article/view/107151
                                    >
                                    > MARTÃ NEZ, A.M.a et al. Indicadores para evaluar el vocabulario y la
                                    > estructura sistemática de un tesauro. I Jornada de Intercambio y
                                    > Reflexión acerca de la Investigación en Bibliotecología, La Plata, 6-7
                                    > de diciembre de 2010. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la
                                    > Educación de la Universidad Nacional de La Plata.
                                    > http://www.jornadabibliotecologia.fahce.unlp.edu.ar/jornada-2010/martinez
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > - User-defined notes
                                    > Has been added management capabilities to manage and create
                                    > user-defined notes. (Thanks to Observatorio Estatal de la Discapacidad
                                    > - Spain: http://www.observatoriodeladiscapacidad.es/)
                                    >
                                    > - Advanced configuration options
                                    > Has been added detailed configuration options available to the
                                    > administrator of the controlled vocabulary.
                                    >
                                    > - Import controlled vocabularies
                                    > Now TemaTres can import controlled vocabulary from plain tagged text.
                                    > For example:
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > - IMS VDEX Scheme (Vocabulary Definition and Exchange)
                                    > Now with TemaTres you can Display, export and publish terms and
                                    > controlled vocabularies through VDEX IMS XML schema (Vocabulary
                                    > Definition and Exchange). http://www.imsglobal.org/vdex/
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > - Controlled vocabularies RESTful Services
                                    > TemaTres have support for web services accessible through a clear and
                                    > simple syntax. The service support a wide variety of queries and data
                                    > can be viewed in XML, JSON or SKOS-Core.
                                    >
                                    > Examples
                                    >
                                    > Status:
                                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/
                                    >
                                    > Terms beginning with the letter B:
                                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b
                                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/skos
                                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/letter/b/json
                                    >
                                    > Search Terms :
                                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/
                                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/json
                                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/en/api/search/fish/skos
                                    >
                                    > Vocabulary Data
                                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchVocabularyData
                                    >
                                    > Top of vocabulary terms
                                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com/gemet/pt/api/fetchTopTerms
                                    >
                                    > - Minor bugs was solved and was added some minor features
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Apologies for any cross-posting.  Any comments and suggestions are welcomed
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Diego Ferreyra
                                    > http://www.vocabularyserver.com
                                    >




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                                  • Bonnie Bouman
                                    While we re on the topic of list philosophy, I d like to cut down on people spamming the list with Out of the office messages.
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                                      While we're on the topic of list philosophy, I'd like to cut down on people spamming the list with "Out of the office" messages.


                                      On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:05 PM, jennybenevento <jennybento@...> wrote:
                                       

                                      Personally, the traffic of this list is not so out of control that I would like anything related to taxonomy banned. There's not a ton of resources out there for taxonomists and a lot of us work alone, so more info is not enough!

                                      Announcements of new software are WAY more relevant to me as someone IN the community of practice than most of the webinars. This isn't any disrespect to the webinars, but they are mostly directed toward people who are not professional taxonomists. A lot of them repeat annually making them even less relevant.

                                      I realize there are a lot of people on this list that joined because they are not professional taxos, and they have been tasked with making one. Because of that, I tolerate the webinar ads. But as someone who does taxonomy every day, new technology is far more interesting.

                                      Just my professional opinion :)

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