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  • Keipat Patkei
    And I will quote you! You ve hit the nail on the head about confidence. Thanks a lot for the boost. Keith
    Message 1 of 14 , Jan 12, 2009
      And I will quote you! You've hit the nail on the head about confidence. Thanks a lot for the boost.

      Keith

      --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Patrick Lambe <plambe@...> wrote:

      > From: Patrick Lambe <plambe@...>
      > Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: Sounds like a job for Knowledge Integrator!
      > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 11:37 PM
      > Keith
      >
      > Thanks for this reply. I don't think there is such a
      > thing as "success" in most taxonomy work there is
      > only the possibility of improvement, much of it hard-won.
      >
      > What worried me about the reaction to the CMSWatch thing
      > was how easily we can be distracted from the very difficult
      > challenges we face (and I don't think yours are
      > atypical) and how easily we are dismayed by a very distorted
      > representation of what we do. We're in a tough,
      > demanding, rapidly evolving field. We should in theory be
      > used to remaining constant through such misrepresentation
      > because we're used to it - though we might be annoyed
      > that this comes as a sideswipe from people who should know
      > better.
      >
      > BTW, Theresa Regli (who has a strong background in taxonomy
      > work herself, which compounds the misdemeanour in my view)
      > was the author of that particular prediction, and has come
      > back to defend herself quite robustly on my blog at
      > www.organisingknowledge.com.
      >
      > Maybe I'm being more cranky and stuffy than I need to
      > be, but I really think we have to be more assertive and
      > confident about what we do. Now Taxonomeus might be a step
      > in that direction!!
      >
      > Best
      >
      > Patrick
      >
      >
      > Patrick Lambe
      >
      > weblog: www.greenchameleon.com
      > website: www.straitsknowledge.com
      > book: www.organisingknowledge.com
      >
      > Have you seen our KM Method Cards?
      > http://www.straitsknowledge.com/store/
      >
      >
      >
      > On Jan 13, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Keipat Patkei wrote:
      >
      > > Patrick,
      > >
      > > I agree with you 100%, but I can't dismiss the
      > fact, either, that, though we all know politics can kill a
      > taxonomy project, many of them can't succeed without
      > politics, too. Also, I can't ignore the fact that your
      > successes have not necessarily been mine, and that's
      > just the way it is.
      > >
      > > I think the renaming of titles, whether it's to
      > help get on comparable, 21st century payscales with other
      > co-workers or just clarify what we do within the confines of
      > a string of letters that can fit on a conference badge, is a
      > real and constant challenge for many.
      > >
      > > Also, in some environments where marketing and sales
      > are "all," the challenges might be even worse, and
      > these exercises in coming up with new titles speaks to
      > constant attempts of people to defend what they do and know;
      > or appease and placate "stakeholders" who have
      > been over sold on the benefits of taxonomy by not being able
      > to understand it in the first place because they've
      > never directly engaged in it!
      > >
      > > I think it's all about trying to communicate
      > something of what we do during times of intense scrutiny and
      > justification. Some have it better than others, others are
      > just learning, and still others are giving up all based on
      > their individual realms of experience.
      > >
      > > Also, I appreciate the CMS Watch prediction because
      > it's allowed me to rethink and recast it to my benefit,
      > which, as I think I've mentioned, now means to me that
      > the practice of taxonomy isn't dead because CVs
      > aren't going anywhere fast, but the notion that a
      > singular taxonomy or even the which ever ones might be
      > tacked on to CMS systems and sold as meeting all needs just
      > might be. And if that taxonomy that does meet all needs is
      > "out there," please, someone, help me find it
      > because it would make things a whole lot easier at my work
      > place :-)
      > >
      > > BTW, I'm quoting you frequently in a year end,
      > state of the taxonomy report I'm currently writing, even
      > though I no longer know if any amount of review of my last
      > years successes cast against your great thoughts is really
      > going to matter to my stakeholders' fantasy land
      > expectations of what quality results should be or what
      > passes as precise automatic tagging.
      > >
      > > At this point, with IT still not able to "get
      > it" and vocally dismissing it, and
      > "Marketing" thinking it can do it better, and
      > Editors/Producers still thinking they should just tag any
      > old words to content "because the social networkers and
      > folksonomists say we don't need taxonomy"--all this
      > even after countless presentations and demos and successful
      > launches and numbers going up--I'm just not sure what
      > will help--maybe calling myself Taxonomeus, God of Taxonomy
      > is worth a try!
      > >
      > > Thanks,
      > >
      > > Keith DeWeese
      > >
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