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  • doug glass
    I attended the Taxonomy bootcamp 2 years ago and found it a complete waste of time and money.  AIIM goes into much more detail for less money. Doug Glass,
    Message 1 of 9 , Aug 13 12:13 PM
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      I attended the Taxonomy bootcamp 2 years ago and found it a complete waste of time and money.  AIIM goes into much more detail for less money.

      Doug Glass, MBA,ERMs,ECMp,ERMp
      414.520.9191


      --- On Tue, 8/12/08, d_j_keldsen <dan.keldsen@...> wrote:
      From: d_j_keldsen <dan.keldsen@...>
      Subject: [TaxoCoP] Re: Taxonomy Bootcamp vs. AIIM IOA Courses?
      To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 11:29 AM

      Ron - Full disclosure, I work for AIIM (joined in June 2007) although
      I'm in the Market Intelligence (analyst/research) area, not directly
      in training per se.

      Prior to joining AIIM, I taught the Proving Ground on Information
      Architecture and Taxonomy (and Search, Portals, Content Management,
      etc.) for 7-8 years when I worked at Delphi Group.

      Having taught hundreds of people on these topics over the years, and
      having seen the IOA coursework, I believe it creates a worthwhile
      operating framework for taxonomy, search and other Information
      Organization and Access concerns. It's certainly not perfect, but even
      after refining my own presentations over 7 years, I was still never
      fully satisfied with my own quality. My quality bar tends to always be
      just beyond where the current state is - what can I say, my father is
      a now retired lifelong university professor, I take this stuff pretty
      seriously.

      I've never attended the Taxonomy Bootcamp, so can't comment on quality
      of the event.

      What I can say however is that the intent of the two offerings is
      completely different. The 2-4 days of training in the AIIM IOA course
      are explicitly created to build foundational understanding and deliver
      an ability to successfully implement a project.

      The Taxonomy Bootcamp is an extension of a conference, with a wide
      variety of content that looks intriguing to be sure, but is not
      intended to be a completely coordinated, dove-tailed set of
      presentations with a common outcome expected at the end. Doesn't mean
      it's not useful - but the goal is different.

      It's entirely possible that your best approach to be fully rounded on
      these topics is to attend both offerings, although of course that's a
      costly path to tread.

      In the spirit of driving down your potential costs and helping to make
      an informed decision...

      I've arranged with my colleagues from the Professional Development
      unit of AIIM to allow anyone who is interested to take a "Test Drive"
      of any of the training that AIIM currently has.

      Details are below - and any and all feedback is welcomed.
      ---

      Why not Test Drive AIIM’s 6 Certificate Programs? (Worth $450)
      The AIIM Certificate programs have grown to become the leading
      training programs to help you find, control and optimize information
      with 8,500+ course attendees in 2 years. Classes are available as
      online courses, scheduled public courses, or private/in-house courses
      on request.

      This is your chance to test drive a module from our certificate
      programs:
      Information Organization and Access/Search (IOA) Practitioner â€" Module
      7 Introduction to Access
      Enterprise 2.0 (E2.0) Practitioner â€" Module 5 The Worker Module
      Enterprise Content Management (ECM) Practitioner â€" Module 9 Classification
      Electronic Records Management (ERM) Practitioner â€" Module 12 Digital
      Preservation
      Business Process Management (BPM) Practitioner â€" Module 8 BPM Technologies
      Email Management (EMM) Practitioner â€" Module 8 Email Technologies

      Go to http://www.aiim. org/testdrive - sign in or register and enter
      the campaign code X1YZA and follow the enrollment instructions.

      For further information on AIIM Training go to:
      http://www.aiim. org/training

      Hope that is useful. Give it a test, and determine for yourself
      whether the content would be useful to your situation, from the
      comfort of your desk.

      Incidentally, our Market IQ on Findability was released in July, a
      free download containing market data on adoption levels, common
      problems that users are experiencing with their Findability strategies
      (or lack thereof) and suggestions on how to make progress in the face
      of poor understanding and deployment of Findability- related technologies.

      Free download at http://www.aiim. org/findability

      Cheers,
      Dan Keldsen
      Director, Market Intelligence at AIIM.org
      www.biztechtalk
      twitter.com/ dankeldsen
      www.informationzen. org

      --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com, "tronmantic" <tronmantic@ ...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi:
      >
      > I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on the Taxonomy Bootcamp or
      > AIIM IOA courses--specifiall y the Master course. I know that Seth
      > Earley is a part of TBC, so he might be biased.
      >
      > I have heard very good things about the AIIM courses, but am concerned
      > that they have no plan in place yet for continuing certification.
      >
      > AIIM IOA: http://www.aiim. org/Education/ TrackDetail. aspx?trackid= 18
      > Taxonomy Bootcamp: http://www.taxonomy bootcamp. com/2008/
      >
      > Thank you for any insights anyone might have.
      >
      > Cheers,
      > Ron.
      >
      > Ron Richardson
      > Digital Asset Management Specialist
      > Chevron


    • Seth Earley
      I have not attended any of the AIIM courses but have presented at Taxonomy Boot Camp for the past few years. One thing to keep in mind is that these are two
      Message 2 of 9 , Aug 13 12:44 PM
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        I have not attended any of the AIIM courses but have presented at Taxonomy Boot Camp for the past few years. 

         

        One thing to keep in mind is that these are two different formats with different purposes.  As an attendee of TBC, I have enjoyed the variety of perspectives and stories.  As with any event, there will be a wide range of expertise levels for both attendees and sessions and it will never be possible to appeal to all levels at the same time.

         

        I know one of the AIIM course authors, Theresa Regli now of CMS Watch, and have co presented at conferences with her as well as worked together on projects in the past, so I know the high quality of her work. 

         

        A course meant to bring people through a process of understanding a topic will be structured differently than a conference meant to share experiences and approaches.  Both serve a purpose.

         

        In addition to my own experience at TBC, I have heard attendees say very good things about the event.

         

        This year, one of our consultants, Stephanie Lemieux, will be presenting work that we have done with Motorola.  I know that will be worth the price of admission alone… <smile>

         

        Seth

         

        Seth Earley
        President
        _____________________________

        EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
        Cell: 781-820-8080

        Office: 781-444-0287
        Email: seth@...
        Web:
        www.earley.com

         

        From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of doug glass
        Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:14 PM
        To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: Taxonomy Bootcamp vs. AIIM IOA Courses?

         

        I attended the Taxonomy bootcamp 2 years ago and found it a complete waste of time and money.  AIIM goes into much more detail for less money.

        Doug Glass, MBA,ERMs,ECMp,ERMp

        414.520.9191



        --- On Tue, 8/12/08, d_j_keldsen <dan.keldsen@...> wrote:

        From: d_j_keldsen <dan.keldsen@...>
        Subject: [TaxoCoP] Re: Taxonomy Bootcamp vs. AIIM IOA Courses?
        To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 11:29 AM

        Ron - Full disclosure, I work for AIIM (joined in June 2007) although
        I'm in the Market Intelligence (analyst/research) area, not directly
        in training per se.

        Prior to joining AIIM, I taught the Proving Ground on Information
        Architecture and Taxonomy (and Search, Portals, Content Management,
        etc.) for 7-8 years when I worked at Delphi Group.

        Having taught hundreds of people on these topics over the years, and
        having seen the IOA coursework, I believe it creates a worthwhile
        operating framework for taxonomy, search and other Information
        Organization and Access concerns. It's certainly not perfect, but even
        after refining my own presentations over 7 years, I was still never
        fully satisfied with my own quality. My quality bar tends to always be
        just beyond where the current state is - what can I say, my father is
        a now retired lifelong university professor, I take this stuff pretty
        seriously.

        I've never attended the Taxonomy Bootcamp, so can't comment on quality
        of the event.

        What I can say however is that the intent of the two offerings is
        completely different. The 2-4 days of training in the AIIM IOA course
        are explicitly created to build foundational understanding and deliver
        an ability to successfully implement a project.

        The Taxonomy Bootcamp is an extension of a conference, with a wide
        variety of content that looks intriguing to be sure, but is not
        intended to be a completely coordinated, dove-tailed set of
        presentations with a common outcome expected at the end. Doesn't mean
        it's not useful - but the goal is different.

        It's entirely possible that your best approach to be fully rounded on
        these topics is to attend both offerings, although of course that's a
        costly path to tread.

        In the spirit of driving down your potential costs and helping to make
        an informed decision...

        I've arranged with my colleagues from the Professional Development
        unit of AIIM to allow anyone who is interested to take a "Test Drive"
        of any of the training that AIIM currently has.

        Details are below - and any and all feedback is welcomed.
        ---

        Why not Test Drive AIIM’s 6 Certificate Programs? (Worth $450)
        The AIIM Certificate programs have grown to become the leading
        training programs to help you find, control and optimize information
        with 8,500+ course attendees in 2 years. Classes are available as
        online courses, scheduled public courses, or private/in-house courses
        on request.

        This is your chance to test drive a module from our certificate
        programs:
        Information Organization and Access/Search (IOA) Practitioner â€" Module
        7 Introduction to Access
        Enterprise 2.0 (E2.0) Practitioner â€" Module 5 The Worker Module
        Enterprise Content Management (ECM) Practitioner â€" Module 9 Classification
        Electronic Records Management (ERM) Practitioner â€" Module 12 Digital
        Preservation
        Business Process Management (BPM) Practitioner â€" Module 8 BPM Technologies
        Email Management (EMM) Practitioner â€" Module 8 Email Technologies

        Go to http://www.aiim. org/testdrive - sign in or register and enter
        the campaign code X1YZA and follow the enrollment instructions.

        For further information on AIIM Training go to:
        http://www.aiim. org/training

        Hope that is useful. Give it a test, and determine for yourself
        whether the content would be useful to your situation, from the
        comfort of your desk.

        Incidentally, our Market IQ on Findability was released in July, a
        free download containing market data on adoption levels, common
        problems that users are experiencing with their Findability strategies
        (or lack thereof) and suggestions on how to make progress in the face
        of poor understanding and deployment of Findability- related technologies.

        Free download at http://www.aiim. org/findability

        Cheers,
        Dan Keldsen
        Director, Market Intelligence at AIIM.org
        www.biztechtalk
        twitter.com/ dankeldsen
        www.informationzen. org

        --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com, "tronmantic" <tronmantic@ ...> wrote:

        >
        > Hi:
        >
        > I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on the Taxonomy Bootcamp or
        > AIIM IOA courses--specifiall y the Master course. I know that Seth
        > Earley is a part of TBC, so he might be biased.
        >
        > I have heard very good things about the AIIM courses, but am concerned
        > that they have no plan in place yet for continuing certification.
        >
        > AIIM IOA:
        href="http://www.aiim.org/Education/TrackDetail.aspx?trackid=18" target="_blank">http://www.aiim. org/Education/ TrackDetail. aspx?trackid= 18
        > Taxonomy Bootcamp:
        target="_blank">http://www.taxonomy bootcamp. com/2008/
        >
        > Thank you for any insights anyone might have.
        >
        > Cheers,
        > Ron.
        >
        > Ron Richardson
        > Digital Asset Management Specialist
        > Chevron

         

      • Patrick Lambe
        I attended Taxonomy Bootcamp last year and found it excellent, both in terms of the content and the participants. For full disclosure, I was speaking at it so
        Message 3 of 9 , Aug 13 9:21 PM
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          I attended Taxonomy Bootcamp last year and found it excellent, both in terms of the content and the participants. For full disclosure, I was speaking at it so didn't pay the conference fees, but I did pay for my travel and accommodation from Singapore, and it was well worth it. I'm missing it this year with some regrets. But as Dan points out, it's not a structured learning programme, I'd see it as a professional development event, important not just for the programme, but also the networking opportunities.

          Patrick

          Patrick Lambe

          website: www.straitsknowledge.com

          Have you seen our KM Method Cards?   http://www.straitsknowledge.com/store/



          On 14 Aug 2008, at 3:13 AM, doug glass wrote:


          I attended the Taxonomy bootcamp 2 years ago and found it a complete waste of time and money.  AIIM goes into much more detail for less money.

          Doug Glass, MBA,ERMs,ECMp, ERMp
          414.520.9191


        • Doug Schultz
          I have never attended Taxonomy Bootcamp, but our firm has sent people for the last 2 years. Based on their feedback, I would have to echo Patrick s comments.
          Message 4 of 9 , Aug 14 4:39 AM
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            I have never attended Taxonomy Bootcamp, but our firm has sent people for the last 2 years.  Based on their feedback, I would have to echo Patrick’s comments. Those who have attended have always been very complimentary of the program and the content.  Based on the material that was distributed that they have shared with the rest of us, it appears to be a very worthwhile event to attend if you have the opportunity.

             

            Douglas Schultz, ECMP, ECMS | Access Sciences Corp. - 713-664-4357 | Principal Consultant | 713-554-9570 (W) | 832-367-0468 (M) | dschultz@... www.accesssciences.com


            From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Patrick Lambe
            Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:21 PM
            To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: Taxonomy Bootcamp vs. AIIM IOA Courses?

             

            I attended Taxonomy Bootcamp last year and found it excellent, both in terms of the content and the participants. For full disclosure, I was speaking at it so didn't pay the conference fees, but I did pay for my travel and accommodation from Singapore , and it was well worth it. I'm missing it this year with some regrets. But as Dan points out, it's not a structured learning programme, I'd see it as a professional development event, important not just for the programme, but also the networking opportunities.

             

            Patrick

             

            Patrick Lambe

             

            website: www.straitsknowledg e.com

             

            Have you seen our KM Method Cards?   http://www.straitsk nowledge. com/store/



             

            On 14 Aug 2008, at 3:13 AM, doug glass wrote:



             

            I attended the Taxonomy bootcamp 2 years ago and found it a complete waste of time and money.  AIIM goes into much more detail for less money.

            Doug Glass, MBA,ERMs,ECMp, ERMp

            414.520.9191

             

             

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