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Re: Product Information Systems (was: Re: [TaxoCoP] Help to organize information)

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  • Keipat Patkei
    Hi Syed, I agree whole-heartedly with Matt about automatic categorization creating a mess, and, if I was in your position and seriously pursuing the
    Message 1 of 26 , May 16 6:32 AM
      Hi Syed,

      I agree whole-heartedly with Matt about automatic categorization creating a mess, and, if I was in your position and seriously pursuing the SchemaLogic approach, I would undertake an exhaustive proof of concept to make sure that that product, or any other, can meet your needs. 

      Removing the human element from the process of creating a taxonomy and relying only on a given automated approach frequently results in a far greater investment of human resources to fix the problems that arise from complete automation.  If anything, think in terms of a semi-automated solution.

      Keith DeWeese 

      Syed Suhail Ahmad <samizaki_ahmad@...> wrote:
      Thanks Matt and Patrik, I was browsing the internet and found this company "Schema Logic" - http://www.schemalo gic.com/ . I spoke to them over phone yesterday and they said they could extract the information from legacy and their system will automatically create a taxonomy too. Do you have any idea about this company?
       
      Thanks
       
      Syed


      Patrick Lambe <plambe@straitsknowl edge.com> wrote:
      Good point Matt - I was assuming that the legacy system reflected current needs, and that is a dangerous assumption indeed. It's not sufficient to analyse the content when building a taxonomy, it's also imperative to study the users and their needs.

      Patrick


      On 16 May 2007, at 11:02 AM, Matt Moore wrote:

      Syed,

      You might want to start by establishing which groups
      use the product information system & for what
      purposes.

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    • mgorun
      Hi Syed, It sounds like you have two (perhaps three) related needs. One is a system to capture Product information as a system of record, which is often done
      Message 2 of 26 , May 16 9:23 AM
        Hi Syed,

        It sounds like you have two (perhaps three) related needs. One is a system to capture
        Product information as a system of record, which is often done in relational databases.
        Two is a way to associate these 'granular' products with different taxonomies (while most
        Product Masters support some taxonomies, there may be many different ways of looking
        at them and many packages at least do not seem to tackle this as well). Your third may be
        to relate products and their taxonomic attributes to other information, whether it is
        unstrucutred documentation, user inquiries, or other transactions. This latter is important
        especially for comprehensive business intelligence analytics. You can also use the same
        taxonomies with a ECM/Document Management system.

        Is your focus the information model with entities, attributes, and taxonimies only or also
        looking potentially at different software solutions?

        Which industry is this for?

        Mehmet

        Mehmet Orun
        Principal Architect, Data Services
        Genentech, Inc.
        --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, Matt Moore <laalgadger@...> wrote:
        >
        > Syed,
        >
        > You might want to start by establishing which groups
        > use the product information system & for what
        > purposes.
        > These may include:
        > - Marketing
        > - Sales
        > - Manufacturing
        > - Product Design
        > - Purchasing
        >
        > > Syed Suhail Ahmad <samizaki_ahmad@...> wrote:
        > > Hello all:
        > >
        > > I am working for a client and currently involved
        > > in relational data modeling for Product Information
        > > system. Currently, products information is stored
        > > in a legacy mainframe system in file format. So
        > > basically, when the system was designed 25 years
        > > ago, they did not build any classification scheme,
        > > NeW products were added based on marketing manager
        > > imagination, they did not use any consistent method
        > > to define products, sometime products are defined by
        > > "style" ( example, take home bags), and sometime by
        > > "options" (metallic bags) and sometime buy quantity
        > > (example, low minimum plastic bags).
        > >
        > > So, It is not clear what the taxonomy would be and
        > > how to proceed. I am looking for some expert
        > > guidance from you. Is there any tool which can
        > > extract information from legacy data (I can load
        > > this data into a SQL table if that is a requirement)
        > > and build a taxonomy for me.
        > >
      • Syed Suhail Ahmad
        Hi Mehmat, My focus is information model with entities, attributes , relation and taxonomies. Its for manufacturing industry. I am looking any software
        Message 3 of 26 , May 16 9:38 AM
          Hi Mehmat,
           
          My focus is information model with entities, attributes , relation and taxonomies. Its for manufacturing industry. I am looking any software solution?
           
          Thanks
           
          Syed

          mgorun <mehmet@...> wrote:
          Hi Syed,

          It sounds like you have two (perhaps three) related needs. One is a system to capture
          Product information as a system of record, which is often done in relational databases.
          Two is a way to associate these 'granular' products with different taxonomies (while most
          Product Masters support some taxonomies, there may be many different ways of looking
          at them and many packages at least do not seem to tackle this as well). Your third may be
          to relate products and their taxonomic attributes to other information, whether it is
          unstrucutred documentation, user inquiries, or other transactions. This latter is important
          especially for comprehensive business intelligence analytics. You can also use the same
          taxonomies with a ECM/Document Management system.

          Is your focus the information model with entities, attributes, and taxonimies only or also
          looking potentially at different software solutions?

          Which industry is this for?

          Mehmet

          Mehmet Orun
          Principal Architect, Data Services
          Genentech, Inc.
          --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com, Matt Moore <laalgadger@ ...> wrote:
          >
          > Syed,
          >
          > You might want to start by establishing which groups
          > use the product information system & for what
          > purposes.
          > These may include:
          > - Marketing
          > - Sales
          > - Manufacturing
          > - Product Design
          > - Purchasing
          >
          > > Syed Suhail Ahmad <samizaki_ahmad@ ...> wrote:
          > > Hello all:
          > >
          > > I am working for a client and currently involved
          > > in relational data modeling for Product Information
          > > system. Currently, products information is stored
          > > in a legacy mainframe system in file format. So
          > > basically, when the system was designed 25 years
          > > ago, they did not build any classification scheme,
          > > NeW products were added based on marketing manager
          > > imagination, they did not use any consistent method
          > > to define products, sometime products are defined by
          > > "style" ( example, take home bags), and sometime by
          > > "options" (metallic bags) and sometime buy quantity
          > > (example, low minimum plastic bags).
          > >
          > > So, It is not clear what the taxonomy would be and
          > > how to proceed. I am looking for some expert
          > > guidance from you. Is there any tool which can
          > > extract information from legacy data (I can load
          > > this data into a SQL table if that is a requirement)
          > > and build a taxonomy for me.
          > >



          Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

        • Patrick Lambe
          What is your information model for? Who will be using it and for what purpose? This will help you determine whether a machine-generated taxonomy has any
          Message 4 of 26 , May 16 7:04 PM
            What is your information model for? Who will be using it and for what purpose? This will help you determine whether a machine-generated taxonomy has any advantages over one with human intervention, in part or whole. Generally speaking, software solutions are not very good at understanding the different perspectives of human user groups. So while they can certainly generate taxonomies automatically, they might not be especially helpful to the intended users. You will most likely need human design intervention alongside the software solution:

            (a) upfront to do a user group needs analysis and structure the main facets of your taxonomy 
            (b) to write business rules to help the software solution interpret the data in the way your users need
            (c) to "correct" an automatically generated taxonomy and align it to user needs.

            Best

            Patrick


            On 17 May 2007, at 12:38 AM, Syed Suhail Ahmad wrote:


            Hi Mehmat,
             
            My focus is information model with entities, attributes , relation and taxonomies. Its for manufacturing industry. I am looking any software solution?
             

          • seth_earley
            There are systems for doing term extraction but automatic taxonomy generation is not realistic. Algorithms cannot determine what is important to people - you
            Message 5 of 26 , May 21 11:17 AM
              There are systems for doing term extraction but automatic taxonomy
              generation is not realistic. Algorithms cannot determine what is
              important to people - you need human judgment.

              Seth



              Syed Suhail Ahmad <samizaki_ahmad@...> wrote:
              >
              > Thanks Matt and Patrik, I was browsing the internet and found this
              company "Schema Logic" - http://www.schemalogic.com/ . I spoke to
              them over phone yesterday and they said they could extract the
              information from legacy and their system will automatically create a
              taxonomy too. Do you have any idea about this company?
              >
              > Thanks
              >
              > Syed
              >
              >
              >
            • Syed Suhail Ahmad
              Lisa, Could you please refer to me some taxnomy firm who could help us developing taxonomy for our products. We deal in promotional items
              Message 6 of 26 , May 22 1:18 PM
                Lisa,
                 
                Could you please refer to me some taxnomy firm who could help us developing taxonomy for our products. We deal in promotional items (http://www.noteworthy.com )
                 
                Thank you.
                 
                Syed Ahmad

                "Smith, Lisa" <lsmith@...> wrote:
                I have used UNSPSC in a former position at a different organization as a basis for developing a fairly general products and services taxonomy. I think to go deeper to procurement of individual products, you'd want to look at somethng like ECCMA. I've only browsed through it, but it looks hyper-detailed. Perhaps using UNSPSC as the foundation for entry into ECCMA schema might be useful?
                 
                 
                Lisa M. Smith
                Director, Taxonomy
                1-310-586-4198
                 
                 


                From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com [mailto:TaxoCoP@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Matt Moore
                Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:12 PM
                To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com
                Subject: [TaxoCoP] UNSPSC

                Hello,

                Syed's questions leads me to ask about UNSPSC coding
                system. Has anyone used it? Did you use it mainly for
                procurement purposes?

                Presumably it's good for broadly covering high-level
                categories (e.g. PDAs, printer toner) but doesn't have
                the level of detail required for in-depth product
                mapping?

                Cheers,

                Matt

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              • Beverly Slabosky
                Hello Syed, I work for a consulting firm that has a taxonomy team. We have experience developing and maintaining product taxonomies, including Microsoft
                Message 7 of 26 , May 22 8:02 PM
                  Hello Syed,
                  I work for a consulting firm that has a taxonomy team. We have experience developing and maintaining product taxonomies, including Microsoft product taxonomies. If you'd like to chat about this let me know.

                  Thanks,
                  Beverly Slabosky
                  Content Analyst/Taxonomy Strategist

                  Syed Suhail Ahmad <samizaki_ahmad@...> wrote:
                  Lisa,
                   
                  Could you please refer to me some taxnomy firm who could help us developing taxonomy for our products. We deal in promotional items (http://www.notewort hy.com )
                   
                  Thank you.
                   
                  Syed Ahmad

                  "Smith, Lisa" <lsmith@business. com> wrote:
                  I have used UNSPSC in a former position at a different organization as a basis for developing a fairly general products and services taxonomy. I think to go deeper to procurement of individual products, you'd want to look at somethng like ECCMA. I've only browsed through it, but it looks hyper-detailed. Perhaps using UNSPSC as the foundation for entry into ECCMA schema might be useful?
                   
                   
                  Lisa M. Smith
                  Director, Taxonomy
                  1-310-586-4198
                   
                   


                  From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com [mailto:TaxoCoP@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Matt Moore
                  Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:12 PM
                  To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com
                  Subject: [TaxoCoP] UNSPSC

                  Hello,

                  Syed's questions leads me to ask about UNSPSC coding
                  system. Has anyone used it? Did you use it mainly for
                  procurement purposes?

                  Presumably it's good for broadly covering high-level
                  categories (e.g. PDAs, printer toner) but doesn't have
                  the level of detail required for in-depth product
                  mapping?

                  Cheers,

                  Matt

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                • Patrick Lambe
                  To fellow taxonomists everywhere... where would we be without him :) http://www.greenchameleon.com/gc/blog_detail/ happy_300th_birthday_charles/ Patrick
                  Message 8 of 26 , May 23 1:28 AM
                    To fellow taxonomists everywhere... where would we be without him :)


                    Patrick
                  • Darin Plutchok
                    You might want to have a look at http://www.wandinc.com. They have developed a substantial product & services taxonomy which they sell along with services. ...
                    Message 9 of 26 , May 23 8:36 AM
                      You might want to have a look at http://www.wandinc.com They have
                      developed a substantial product & services taxonomy which they sell
                      along with services.

                      --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, Syed Suhail Ahmad
                      <samizaki_ahmad@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Lisa,
                      >
                      > Could you please refer to me some taxnomy firm who could help us
                      developing taxonomy for our products. We deal in promotional items
                      (http://www.noteworthy.com )
                      >
                      > Thank you.
                      >
                      > Syed Ahmad
                      >
                      > "Smith, Lisa" <lsmith@...> wrote:
                      > I have used UNSPSC in a former position at a different
                      organization as a basis for developing a fairly general products and
                      services taxonomy. I think to go deeper to procurement of individual
                      products, you'd want to look at somethng like ECCMA. I've only
                      browsed through it, but it looks hyper-detailed. Perhaps using UNSPSC
                      as the foundation for entry into ECCMA schema might be useful?
                      >
                      >
                      > Lisa M. Smith
                      > Director, Taxonomy
                      > 1-310-586-4198
                      > lsmith@...
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ---------------------------------
                      > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On
                      Behalf Of Matt Moore
                      > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:12 PM
                      > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [TaxoCoP] UNSPSC
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Hello,
                      >
                      > Syed's questions leads me to ask about UNSPSC coding
                      > system. Has anyone used it? Did you use it mainly for
                      > procurement purposes?
                      >
                      > Presumably it's good for broadly covering high-level
                      > categories (e.g. PDAs, printer toner) but doesn't have
                      > the level of detail required for in-depth product
                      > mapping?
                      >
                      > Cheers,
                      >
                      > Matt
                      >
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                    • aredmondneal
                      Hello, Syed, Regarding taxonomy development, Access Innovations, for whom I work, has been in the business for many years. I invite you to consider contacting
                      Message 10 of 26 , May 23 9:45 AM
                        Hello, Syed,

                        Regarding taxonomy development, Access Innovations, for whom I work,
                        has been in the business for many years. I invite you to consider
                        contacting via website or giving a call for more information.

                        Alice
                        --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, Syed Suhail Ahmad
                        <samizaki_ahmad@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Lisa,
                        >
                        > Could you please refer to me some taxnomy firm who could help us
                        developing taxonomy for our products. We deal in promotional items
                        (http://www.noteworthy.com )
                        >
                        > Thank you.
                        >
                        > Syed Ahmad
                        >
                        > "Smith, Lisa" <lsmith@...> wrote:
                        > I have used UNSPSC in a former position at a different
                        organization as a basis for developing a fairly general products and
                        services taxonomy. I think to go deeper to procurement of individual
                        products, you'd want to look at somethng like ECCMA. I've only
                        browsed through it, but it looks hyper-detailed. Perhaps using
                        UNSPSC as the foundation for entry into ECCMA schema might be useful?
                        >
                        >
                        > Lisa M. Smith
                        > Director, Taxonomy
                        > 1-310-586-4198
                        > lsmith@...
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > ---------------------------------
                        > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com]
                        On Behalf Of Matt Moore
                        > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:12 PM
                        > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: [TaxoCoP] UNSPSC
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Hello,
                        >
                        > Syed's questions leads me to ask about UNSPSC coding
                        > system. Has anyone used it? Did you use it mainly for
                        > procurement purposes?
                        >
                        > Presumably it's good for broadly covering high-level
                        > categories (e.g. PDAs, printer toner) but doesn't have
                        > the level of detail required for in-depth product
                        > mapping?
                        >
                        > Cheers,
                        >
                        > Matt
                        >
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                      • Keipat Patkei
                        Why are folks using this forum to promote their products/services? I thought that was a no-no? Keith DeWeese aredmondneal wrote:
                        Message 11 of 26 , May 23 11:45 AM
                          Why are folks using this forum to promote their products/services?  I thought that was a no-no?
                           
                          Keith DeWeese

                          aredmondneal <aredmondneal@...> wrote:
                          Hello, Syed,

                          Regarding taxonomy development, Access Innovations, for whom I work,
                          has been in the business for many years. I invite you to consider
                          contacting via website or giving a call for more information.

                          Alice
                          --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com, Syed Suhail Ahmad
                          <samizaki_ahmad@ ...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Lisa,
                          >
                          > Could you please refer to me some taxnomy firm who could help us
                          developing taxonomy for our products. We deal in promotional items
                          (http://www.notewort hy.com )
                          >
                          > Thank you.
                          >
                          > Syed Ahmad
                          >
                          > "Smith, Lisa" <lsmith@...> wrote:
                          > I have used UNSPSC in a former position at a different
                          organization as a basis for developing a fairly general products and
                          services taxonomy. I think to go deeper to procurement of individual
                          products, you'd want to look at somethng like ECCMA. I've only
                          browsed through it, but it looks hyper-detailed. Perhaps using
                          UNSPSC as the foundation for entry into ECCMA schema might be useful?
                          >
                          >
                          > Lisa M. Smith
                          > Director, Taxonomy
                          > 1-310-586-4198
                          > lsmith@...
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                          > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com]
                          On Behalf Of Matt Moore
                          > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:12 PM
                          > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com
                          > Subject: [TaxoCoP] UNSPSC
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Hello,
                          >
                          > Syed's questions leads me to ask about UNSPSC coding
                          > system. Has anyone used it? Did you use it mainly for
                          > procurement purposes?
                          >
                          > Presumably it's good for broadly covering high-level
                          > categories (e.g. PDAs, printer toner) but doesn't have
                          > the level of detail required for in-depth product
                          > mapping?
                          >
                          > Cheers,
                          >
                          > Matt
                          >
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                        • Henrik Strindberg
                          If somebody explicitly asks for recommendations, isnt it ok to post your or somebody somebody s services ? /Henrik _____ From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                          Message 12 of 26 , May 23 12:12 PM

                            If somebody explicitly asks for recommendations, isnt it ok to post your or somebody somebody’s services ?

                            /Henrik

                             


                            From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keipat Patkei
                            Sent: den 23 maj 2007 20:45
                            To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: UNSPSC (moving on to taxo dev't resources)

                             

                            Why are folks using this forum to promote their products/services?  I thought that was a no-no?

                             

                            Keith DeWeese

                            aredmondneal <aredmondneal@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                            Hello, Syed,

                            Regarding taxonomy development, Access Innovations, for whom I work,
                            has been in the business for many years. I invite you to consider
                            contacting via website or giving a call for more information.

                            Alice
                            --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com, Syed Suhail Ahmad
                            <samizaki_ahmad@ ...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Lisa,
                            >
                            > Could you please refer to me some taxnomy firm who could help us
                            developing taxonomy for our products. We deal in promotional items
                            (http://www.notewort hy.com )
                            >
                            > Thank you.
                            >
                            > Syed Ahmad
                            >
                            > "Smith, Lisa" <lsmith@...> wrote:
                            > I have used UNSPSC in a former position at a different
                            organization as a basis for developing a fairly general products and
                            services taxonomy. I think to go deeper to procurement of individual
                            products, you'd want to look at somethng like ECCMA. I've only
                            browsed through it, but it looks hyper-detailed. Perhaps using
                            UNSPSC as the foundation for entry into ECCMA schema might be useful?
                            >
                            >
                            > Lisa M. Smith
                            > Director, Taxonomy
                            > 1-310-586-4198
                            > lsmith@...
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                            > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com]
                            On Behalf Of Matt Moore
                            > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:12 PM
                            > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com
                            > Subject: [TaxoCoP] UNSPSC
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Hello,
                            >
                            > Syed's questions leads me to ask about UNSPSC coding
                            > system. Has anyone used it? Did you use it mainly for
                            > procurement purposes?
                            >
                            > Presumably it's good for broadly covering high-level
                            > categories (e.g. PDAs, printer toner) but doesn't have
                            > the level of detail required for in-depth product
                            > mapping?
                            >
                            > Cheers,
                            >
                            > Matt
                            >
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                          • Seth Earley
                            Yes that is true. We should not be doing that. If people do ask then you can contact them off list. Seth _____ From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                            Message 13 of 26 , May 23 1:24 PM

                              Yes that is true.  We should not be doing that.  If people do ask then you can contact them off list.  

                               

                              Seth


                              From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keipat Patkei
                              Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:45 PM
                              To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: UNSPSC (moving on to taxo dev't resources)

                               

                              Why are folks using this forum to promote their products/services?  I thought that was a no-no?

                               

                              Keith DeWeese

                              aredmondneal <aredmondneal@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                              Hello, Syed,

                              Regarding taxonomy development, Access Innovations, for whom I work,
                              has been in the business for many years. I invite you to consider
                              contacting via website or giving a call for more information.

                              Alice
                              --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com, Syed Suhail Ahmad
                              <samizaki_ahmad@ ...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Lisa,
                              >
                              > Could you please refer to me some taxnomy firm who could help us
                              developing taxonomy for our products. We deal in promotional items
                              (http://www.notewort hy.com )
                              >
                              > Thank you.
                              >
                              > Syed Ahmad
                              >
                              > "Smith, Lisa" <lsmith@...> wrote:
                              > I have used UNSPSC in a former position at a different
                              organization as a basis for developing a fairly general products and
                              services taxonomy. I think to go deeper to procurement of individual
                              products, you'd want to look at somethng like ECCMA. I've only
                              browsed through it, but it looks hyper-detailed. Perhaps using
                              UNSPSC as the foundation for entry into ECCMA schema might be useful?
                              >
                              >
                              > Lisa M. Smith
                              > Director, Taxonomy
                              > 1-310-586-4198
                              > lsmith@...
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                              > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com]
                              On Behalf Of Matt Moore
                              > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:12 PM
                              > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com
                              > Subject: [TaxoCoP] UNSPSC
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Hello,
                              >
                              > Syed's questions leads me to ask about UNSPSC coding
                              > system. Has anyone used it? Did you use it mainly for
                              > procurement purposes?
                              >
                              > Presumably it's good for broadly covering high-level
                              > categories (e.g. PDAs, printer toner) but doesn't have
                              > the level of detail required for in-depth product
                              > mapping?
                              >
                              > Cheers,
                              >
                              > Matt
                              >
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                            • Seth Earley
                              There is certainly no shortage of Taxonomy Consultants. You can also try Taxonomy Strategies (Joseph Busch and Ron Daniel) Contextual Analysis (Fred Leise) K
                              Message 14 of 26 , May 23 1:24 PM

                                There is certainly no shortage of Taxonomy Consultants.  

                                 

                                You can also try Taxonomy Strategies (Joseph Busch and Ron Daniel)

                                Contextual Analysis (Fred Leise)

                                K Curve (Marcia Morante)

                                 

                                And of course ourselves, Earley & Associates, Inc.

                                 

                                We are, as Ron likes to say “friendly competitors”.  

                                Seth Earley
                                President
                                _____________________________

                                EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                                Cell: 781-820-8080

                                Office: 781-444-0287
                                Email: seth@...
                                Web:
                                www.earley.com


                                From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of aredmondneal
                                Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:46 PM
                                To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: [TaxoCoP] Re: UNSPSC (moving on to taxo dev't resources)

                                 

                                Hello, Syed,

                                Regarding taxonomy development, Access Innovations, for whom I work,
                                has been in the business for many years. I invite you to consider
                                contacting via website or giving a call for more information.

                                Alice
                                --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com, Syed Suhail Ahmad
                                <samizaki_ahmad@ ...> wrote:

                                >
                                > Lisa,
                                >
                                > Could you please refer to me some taxnomy firm who could help us
                                developing taxonomy for our products. We deal in promotional items
                                (http://www.notewort hy.com )
                                >
                                > Thank you.
                                >
                                > Syed Ahmad
                                >
                                > "Smith, Lisa" <lsmith@...> wrote:
                                > I have used UNSPSC in a former position at a different
                                organization as a basis for developing a fairly general products and
                                services taxonomy. I think to go deeper to procurement of individual
                                products, you'd want to look at somethng like ECCMA. I've only
                                browsed through it, but it looks hyper-detailed. Perhaps using
                                UNSPSC as the foundation for entry into ECCMA schema might be useful?
                                >
                                >
                                > Lisa M. Smith
                                > Director, Taxonomy
                                > 1-310-586-4198
                                > lsmith@...
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com
                                [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com]
                                On Behalf Of Matt Moore
                                > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:12 PM
                                > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com
                                > Subject: [TaxoCoP] UNSPSC
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Hello,
                                >
                                > Syed's questions leads me to ask about UNSPSC coding
                                > system. Has anyone used it? Did you use it mainly for
                                > procurement purposes?
                                >
                                > Presumably it's good for broadly covering high-level
                                > categories (e.g. PDAs, printer toner) but doesn't have
                                > the level of detail required for in-depth product
                                > mapping?
                                >
                                > Cheers,
                                >
                                > Matt
                                >
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                                spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection in the all-
                                new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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                              • Keipat Patkei
                                Thanks for clarifying, Seth. Keith Seth Earley wrote: Yes that is true. We should not be doing that. If people do ask then you can contact
                                Message 15 of 26 , May 23 1:32 PM
                                  Thanks for clarifying, Seth. 
                                   
                                  Keith

                                  Seth Earley <seth@...> wrote:
                                  Yes that is true.  We should not be doing that.  If people do ask then you can contact them off list.  
                                  Seth

                                  From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com [mailto: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com ] On Behalf Of Keipat Patkei
                                  Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:45 PM
                                  To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com
                                  Subject: Re: [TaxoCoP] Re: UNSPSC (moving on to taxo dev't resources)
                                  Why are folks using this forum to promote their products/services?  I thought that was a no-no?
                                  Keith DeWeese

                                  aredmondneal <aredmondneal@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                                  Hello, Syed,

                                  Regarding taxonomy development, Access Innovations, for whom I work,
                                  has been in the business for many years. I invite you to consider
                                  contacting via website or giving a call for more information.

                                  Alice
                                  --- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com, Syed Suhail Ahmad
                                  <samizaki_ahmad@ ...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Lisa,
                                  >
                                  > Could you please refer to me some taxnomy firm who could help us
                                  developing taxonomy for our products. We deal in promotional items
                                  (http://www.notewort hy.com )
                                  >
                                  > Thank you.
                                  >
                                  > Syed Ahmad
                                  >
                                  > "Smith, Lisa" <lsmith@...> wrote:
                                  > I have used UNSPSC in a former position at a different
                                  organization as a basis for developing a fairly general products and
                                  services taxonomy. I think to go deeper to procurement of individual
                                  products, you'd want to look at somethng like ECCMA. I've only
                                  browsed through it, but it looks hyper-detailed. Perhaps using
                                  UNSPSC as the foundation for entry into ECCMA schema might be useful?
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Lisa M. Smith
                                  > Director, Taxonomy
                                  > 1-310-586-4198
                                  > lsmith@...
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ------------ --------- --------- ---
                                  > From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com]
                                  On Behalf Of Matt Moore
                                  > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:12 PM
                                  > To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups .com
                                  > Subject: [TaxoCoP] UNSPSC
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Hello,
                                  >
                                  > Syed's questions leads me to ask about UNSPSC coding
                                  > system. Has anyone used it? Did you use it mainly for
                                  > procurement purposes?
                                  >
                                  > Presumably it's good for broadly covering high-level
                                  > categories (e.g. PDAs, printer toner) but doesn't have
                                  > the level of detail required for in-depth product
                                  > mapping?
                                  >
                                  > Cheers,
                                  >
                                  > Matt
                                  >
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                                  spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection in the all-
                                  new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
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                                • Ron Daniel
                                  ... It s easy to be friendly with a competitor who lists you (and others) as potential providers. Thanks Seth, that was very nice. Best regards, Ron Daniel
                                  Message 16 of 26 , May 23 4:26 PM
                                    > We are, as Ron likes to say "friendly competitors".

                                    It's easy to be friendly with a competitor who lists you
                                    (and others) as potential providers. Thanks Seth, that was
                                    very nice.

                                    Best regards,

                                    Ron Daniel Jr.
                                    Principal, Taxonomy Strategies
                                    Tel: +1 925 368 8371
                                    rdaniel@...

                                    Taxonomy Strategies
                                    The Business of Organized Information
                                  • Seth Earley
                                    You bet. (It was also a way to get around the self promotion restriction. ... Seth Earley President _____________________________ EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                                    Message 17 of 26 , May 23 4:41 PM

                                      You bet.  (It was also a way to get around the self promotion restriction.  :-) )

                                      Seth Earley
                                      President
                                      _____________________________

                                      EARLEY & ASSOCIATES, Inc.
                                      Cell: 781-820-8080

                                      Office: 781-444-0287
                                      Email: seth@...
                                      Web:
                                      www.earley.com


                                      From: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Daniel
                                      Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:26 PM
                                      To: TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: RE: [TaxoCoP] Re: UNSPSC (moving on to taxo dev't resources)

                                       

                                      > We are, as Ron likes to say "friendly competitors" .

                                      It's easy to be friendly with a competitor who lists you
                                      (and others) as potential providers. Thanks Seth, that was
                                      very nice.

                                      Best regards,

                                      Ron Daniel Jr.
                                      Principal, Taxonomy Strategies
                                      Tel: +1 925 368 8371
                                      rdaniel@taxonomystr ategies.com

                                      Taxonomy Strategies
                                      The Business of Organized Information

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