3368Re: [TaxoCoP] data modeling and taxonomy
- Jan 6, 2010Hi All,
Good discussion. Here's a hopefully useful background item.
It's actually possible to combine data modeling, taxonomy creation and application writing in one notation -- something we call Executable English.
Here's a simple example that adds up fund amounts over a business hierarchy:
Apologies if you have seen this approach before, and thanks for comments.
Internet Business Logic
A Wiki and SOA Endpoint for Executable Open Vocabulary English over SQL and RDF
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ReengineeringOn Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Patrick Lambe <plambe@...> wrote:
Well I was just sitting back and enjoying the conversation, Bob. But since you ask, I 'll start with a comment that Matt made early on, that there might be usability issues with reusing structures from data models in taxonomies, even though in principle such reuse makes sense.I think there's a tendency for us to get very entity focused in these discussions and definitions and stop there. There's a good reason for this. The common ground for data models, ontologies, taxonomies is their need to establish relatively stable entities at the very least; they each do slightly different different things around the language referring to those entities, and they diverge in the type and extent of work around establishing and defining relationships and maybe inference-generating capabilities (which some taxonomy forms can support as well as ontologies). But the entities are the core point of reference.But Matt's comment reminds us that it's important to remember that data models, taxonomies and ontologies are at the end of the day just instruments, and to understand the instrument is not just about understanding the entities it manipulates, but how the instrument is used, and for what purpose.The design of a tool is driven by its functionality, not its components. DM-T-Os serve related purposes via different means and in different contexts. There are important differences in the amount of human vs machine processing expected or served. As Matt suggests master data management is one way of getting a handle on how they can inter-operate. But fixing an entity and definition in one space (eg a data model) does not unquestionably qualify it for use in another space (eg a taxonomy).I think we also assume that usability is only really relevant at the taxonomy level. In my book I suggested that taxonomies are for humans and ontologies are for machines, which risks feeding that assumption. But at the end of the day, the rationale for using any of these instruments whether data models, taxonomies or ontologies, is that they must emerge into human use in some way. It's just that for DMs and Os machine processes provide different opportunities and constraints from human ones. If we can't see the pathway to human use (which is where some of the visionary talk on ontologies falls down, I feel) then they risk floating away into philosophical (or organisational) abstractions. I think this is where a lot of the hard wrestling work needs to be done, to resolve relationships between the instruments, preserve a common core where possible, and reflect the context-driven needs at organisational and user levels.This is all very abstract still... I think what would be useful would be some good clear cases where we can see the relationships in specific contexts.POn Jan 6, 2010, at 7:30 AM, Bob Bater wrote:
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