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  • mchardy@michaelchardy.com
    Larry and Gerry – there was a second Confederate line for a brief amount of time behind the Sunken Road.  This line was composed of Pryor’s brigade, under
    Message 1 of 18 , Jun 23, 2009
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      Larry and Gerry – there was a second Confederate line for a brief amount of time behind the Sunken Road.  This line was composed of Pryor’s brigade, under the command Col. John C. Hately of the 5th Florida.  The brigade advanced past the Piper orchard and the Federals, not being able to hit much in the lane, turned their fire (infantry and artillery) upon them. At least one point the brigade stopped in the cornfield, probably leading some to write of a second line.  Some members of Pryor’s brigade stopped behind the sunken road, some jumped into the road and intermingled with the Confederate troops there, and some pushed ahead past the road, only to be beaten back. Featherston’s brigade came in next.  Soon thereafter, the Confederate line collapsed. The loses of one of Pryor’s regiments, the 8th Florida, is estimated at fifty-seven percent.
       
      Your “Colonel Coppens” is Lt. Col. Georges Augustus Gaston de Coppens, who just that morning had turned over the command of his battalion of Louisiana Zouaves to command the Floridians.
       
      Regards,
      Michael C. Hardy
      www.michaelchardy.com

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    • G E Mayers
      Dear Michael, Thank you for that post; it was very helpful. Was not Coppens mortally wounded or killed at the Sunken Road? Yr. Obt. Svt. G E Gerry Mayers To
      Message 2 of 18 , Jun 23, 2009
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        Dear Michael,

        Thank you for that post; it was very helpful.

        Was not Coppens mortally wounded or killed at the Sunken Road?

        Yr. Obt. Svt.
        G E "Gerry" Mayers

        To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
        on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
        Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
        the Almighty God. --Anonymous
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: <mchardy@...>
        To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:23 AM
        Subject: [TalkAntietam] re Murfin and description of Sunken Road
        fight


        Larry and Gerry – there was a second Confederate line for a brief
        amount of time behind the Sunken Road. This line was composed of
        Pryor’s brigade, under the command Col. John C. Hately of the 5th
        Florida. The brigade advanced past the Piper orchard and the
        Federals, not being able to hit much in the lane, turned their
        fire (infantry and artillery) upon them. At least one point the
        brigade stopped in the cornfield, probably leading some to write
        of a second line. Some members of Pryor’s brigade stopped behind
        the sunken road, some jumped into the road and intermingled with
        the Confederate troops there, and some pushed ahead past the
        road, only to be beaten back. Featherston’s brigade came in next.
        Soon thereafter, the Confederate line collapsed. The loses of one
        of Pryor’s regiments, the 8th Florida, is estimated at
        fifty-seven percent.

        Your “Colonel Coppens” is Lt. Col. Georges Augustus Gaston de
        Coppens, who just that morning had turned over the command of his
        battalion of Louisiana Zouaves to command the Floridians.

        Regards,
        Michael C. Hardy
        www.michaelchardy.com

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      • Michael Peters
        Gerry,   Believe that Coppens was killed along the Hagerstown Pike.   Mike Peters ... From: G E Mayers Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] re
        Message 3 of 18 , Jul 17, 2009
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          Gerry,
           
          Believe that Coppens was killed along the Hagerstown Pike.
           
          Mike Peters

          --- On Tue, 6/23/09, G E Mayers <gerry1952@...> wrote:


          From: G E Mayers <gerry1952@...>
          Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] re Murfin and description of Sunken Road fight
          To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:55 AM


          Dear Michael,

          Thank you for that post; it was very helpful.

          Was not Coppens mortally wounded or killed at the Sunken Road?

          Yr. Obt. Svt.
          G E "Gerry" Mayers






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        • G E Mayers
          Thanks! Yr. Obt. Svt. G E Gerry Mayers To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one s mother s side, is an introduction to any
          Message 4 of 18 , Jul 19, 2009
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            Thanks!

            Yr. Obt. Svt.
            G E "Gerry" Mayers

            To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
            on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
            Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
            the Almighty God. --Anonymous
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Michael Peters" <colliszouave@...>
            To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:20 AM
            Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] re Murfin and description of Sunken
            Road fight


            Gerry,

            Believe that Coppens was killed along the Hagerstown Pike.

            Mike Peters

            --- On Tue, 6/23/09, G E Mayers <gerry1952@...> wrote:


            From: G E Mayers <gerry1952@...>
            Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] re Murfin and description of Sunken
            Road fight
            To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:55 AM


            Dear Michael,

            Thank you for that post; it was very helpful.

            Was not Coppens mortally wounded or killed at the Sunken Road?

            Yr. Obt. Svt.
            G E "Gerry" Mayers






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          • bdowney@aotw.org
            One more perspective on this: Col. Coppen [sic] was killed almost immediately after getting fire, in the cornfield below the stone barn near bloody lane!
            Message 5 of 18 , Jul 19, 2009
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              One more perspective on this:

              "Col. Coppen [sic] was killed almost immediately after getting fire, in
              the cornfield below the stone barn near bloody lane! Capt. Richard A.
              Waller then assumed command [of 8th Florida Inf] as senior Capt. and was
              also killed with the colors of the regiment draped over his shoulders,
              almost immediately afterward, the flagstaff having been shot in two, &
              the color bearer and color guard beig [sic] all either killed or
              wounded"...
              - postwar letter of former Capt (later Colonel) David Lang, 8th
              Florida, to E. A. Carman, Antietam Battlefield Commission. Transcribed
              by Mr. Studnicki at Civil War Florida
              (http://www.civilwarflorida.com/site/sources/letters/show_letter.php?letterREF=2).


              > -------- Original Message --------
              > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] re Murfin and description of Sunken Road
              > fight
              > From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
              > Date: Sun, July 19, 2009 8:08 pm
              > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
              >
              >
              > Thanks!
              >
              > Yr. Obt. Svt.
              > G E "Gerry" Mayers
              >
              > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
              > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
              > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
              > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Michael Peters" <colliszouave@...>
              > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:20 AM
              > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] re Murfin and description of Sunken
              > Road fight
              >
              >
              > Gerry,
              >
              > Believe that Coppens was killed along the Hagerstown Pike.
              >
              > Mike Peters
              >
              > --- On Tue, 6/23/09, G E Mayers <gerry1952@...> wrote:
              >
              >
              > From: G E Mayers <gerry1952@...>
              > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] re Murfin and description of Sunken
              > Road fight
              > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
              > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:55 AM
              >
              >
              > Dear Michael,
              >
              > Thank you for that post; it was very helpful.
              >
              > Was not Coppens mortally wounded or killed at the Sunken Road?
              >
              > Yr. Obt. Svt.
              > G E "Gerry" Mayers
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            • G E Mayers
              Brian, So Coppens unit or brigade was part of the overall Sunken Road fight? Yr. Obt. Svt. G E Gerry Mayers To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage,
              Message 6 of 18 , Jul 19, 2009
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                Brian,

                So Coppens' unit or brigade was part of the overall Sunken Road
                fight?

                Yr. Obt. Svt.
                G E "Gerry" Mayers

                To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: <bdowney@...>
                To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:41 PM
                Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] re Murfin and description of Sunken
                Road fight



                One more perspective on this:

                "Col. Coppen [sic] was killed almost immediately after getting
                fire, in
                the cornfield below the stone barn near bloody lane! Capt.
                Richard A.
                Waller then assumed command [of 8th Florida Inf] as senior Capt.
                and was
                also killed with the colors of the regiment draped over his
                shoulders,
                almost immediately afterward, the flagstaff having been shot in
                two, &
                the color bearer and color guard beig [sic] all either killed or
                wounded"...
                - postwar letter of former Capt (later Colonel) David Lang, 8th
                Florida, to E. A. Carman, Antietam Battlefield Commission.
                Transcribed
                by Mr. Studnicki at Civil War Florida
                (http://www.civilwarflorida.com/site/sources/letters/show_letter.php?letterREF=2).


                > -------- Original Message --------
                > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] re Murfin and description of Sunken
                > Road
                > fight
                > From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
                > Date: Sun, July 19, 2009 8:08 pm
                > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
                >
                >
                > Thanks!
                >
                > Yr. Obt. Svt.
                > G E "Gerry" Mayers
                >
                > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
                > from
                > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Michael Peters" <colliszouave@...>
                > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:20 AM
                > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] re Murfin and description of Sunken
                > Road fight
                >
                >
                > Gerry,
                >
                > Believe that Coppens was killed along the Hagerstown Pike.
                >
                > Mike Peters
                >
                > --- On Tue, 6/23/09, G E Mayers <gerry1952@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > From: G E Mayers <gerry1952@...>
                > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] re Murfin and description of Sunken
                > Road fight
                > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:55 AM
                >
                >
                > Dear Michael,
                >
                > Thank you for that post; it was very helpful.
                >
                > Was not Coppens mortally wounded or killed at the Sunken Road?
                >
                > Yr. Obt. Svt.
                > G E "Gerry" Mayers
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              • Brian Downey
                Yes. Georges Augustus Gaston De Coppens was in command of the 8th Florida, in Pryor s Brigade of Anderson s Division. He had been appointed to that Regiment
                Message 7 of 18 , Jul 19, 2009
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                  Yes. Georges Augustus Gaston De Coppens was in command of the 8th Florida, in Pryor's Brigade of Anderson's Division. He had been appointed to that Regiment from his own - the 1st Louisiana (Zouaves) Infantry Battalion - by Genl Pryor immediately before the battle due to a lack of field officers present with the 8th FL.

                  The 8th FL advanced through Piper's orchard and cornfield toward the Sunken Road. Coppens looks to have been killed on that route.

                  His Louisiana Zouaves were under command of his brother Marie Alfred Coppens at Sharpsburg. They fought in Starke's Brigade along the Hagerstown Pike at the Miller Cornfield that morning.

                  --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Brian,
                  >
                  > So Coppens' unit or brigade was part of the overall Sunken Road
                  > fight?
                  >
                  > Yr. Obt. Svt.
                  > G E "Gerry" Mayers
                  >
                • G E Mayers
                  Larry; What do the maps in the Armstrong s book about the Second Corps show for earlier in the Sunken Road action? Especially positions of the regiments in G B
                  Message 8 of 18 , Oct 3, 2009
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                    Larry;

                    What do the maps in the Armstrong's book about the Second Corps
                    show for earlier in the Sunken Road action? Especially positions
                    of the regiments in G B Anderson's brigade?

                    Yr. Obt. Svt.
                    G E "Gerry" Mayers

                    To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                    on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                    Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                    the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                  • Thomas Clemens
                    G.B. Anderson s brigade was astride the Boonsboro Pike in the low ground between the ridge facing the bridge and Cemetery hill. He had skirmishers out on the
                    Message 9 of 18 , Oct 4, 2009
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                      G.B. Anderson's brigade was astride the Boonsboro Pike in the low ground between the ridge facing the bridge and Cemetery hill. He had skirmishers out on the crest of the ridge watching Middle Bridge. They moved to their left a bit to use the ravine for shelter from artillery, but didn't join Rodes' brigade in the lane until shortly before French's atack.


                      Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
                      Professor of History
                      Hagerstown Community College


                      >>> "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> 10/03/09 9:25 PM >>>
                      Larry;

                      What do the maps in the Armstrong's book about the Second Corps
                      show for earlier in the Sunken Road action? Especially positions
                      of the regiments in G B Anderson's brigade?

                      Yr. Obt. Svt.
                      G E "Gerry" Mayers

                      To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                      on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                      Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                      the Almighty God. --Anonymous
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