Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Moxley Sorrel and September 16th (Night)
- Dear Teej,
I noticed that too in Sorrel's account. It was indeed rainy or
had rained the day of Lee's accident. I wonder if perhaps he had
some sort of rubber coated linen over pants covering his uniform
trowsers? The poncho would certainly have covered the bulk of his
I do know there "were" overalls worn by tradesmen to protect
their clothing but do not think those sort of overalls would have
Being an officer, Lee might have had some privately purchased
item not generally available for standard issue. I have not
noticed anything in Echoes of Glory that might remotely suggest
some sort of overalls or rain pants for mounted troops or
Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers
To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Teej Smith" <teej@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Moxley Sorrel and September
> Changing the subject just a tad, Sorrel described Lee's
> accident following Second Manassas on pages 96 & 97. In his
> description he wrote that because of the rain, Lee was wearing
> a "rubber poncho and over-alls." I'm assuming the "over-alls"
> were some sort of rain gear but were they standard issue for
> officers? Thanks.
- And we can't forget the raincoat Stonewall had on the night he was shot; it is at the VMI museum and a picture is on their website. It has the two bullet holes in the left sleeve.
--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Dave <gewehr@...> wrote:
> For what it's worth, even though it was very early in the war, when CSA
> Gen Felix Zollicoffer was killed in the battle of Mill Springs in KY on
> Jan 19, 1862, he was wearing either a "white rubber" or "light drab
> overcoat buttoned to the chin." Due to the rain and hanging smoke, he
> managed to ride right through the Federal lines unmolested and was only
> shot when he spoke to a US officer on his way back out. One of the
> accounts said that a US Lt. Col was wearing a similar coat, so nobody
> thought anything about it.
> Dave McGowan
> Thomas Clemens wrote:
> > To parse terms with you for a moment, officers purchase all of their
> > own clothing and equipment and although guidelines are published, a
> > certain lattitude is in what they wear and use. Lee's talma and
> > overalls were likely rubberized and privately purchased. Jackson was
> > wearing a rubberized coat when he was shot.
> > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
> > Professor of History
> > Hagerstown Community College
> > >>> "Teej Smith" <teej@... <mailto:teej%40nc.rr.com>> 04/04/09
> > 1:01 PM >>>
> > Larry wrote:
> > Teej,
> > I see only Sorrel mentioning this--do you have other sources
> > mentioning raingear?
> > Sorry, no I don't. In fact the only other place I've "over-alls"
> > mentioned was in connection with a Union soldier at Ball's Bluff.
> > Sorrel wrote, "It had rained and he (Lee) was wearing a rubber poncho
> > and over-alls, his body and legs being thus well protected." I suppose
> > they could be the canvas wear you described in your message but that
> > wouldn't be much protection from the rain. But perhaps from the mud?
> > Whatever they were, they must have been loose fitting because later
> > Sorrel wrote that while reaching for his bridle, Lee "tripped in his
> > over-alls and fell forward, not prone, but catching on his hands."
> > Sorrel then went on to describe the nature of Lee's injuries and to
> > note word of his being hurt reached the Northern newspapers which went
> > into great detail as to the nature of his injury. Their report was Lee
> > had been seriously wounded and even went so far as to describe how Lee
> > received his wound. Would like to see that newspaper report. Sorrel
> > confirmed Lee was able to ride a little by the time of Antietam.
> > However, I have seen a letter written by Lee in April 1863 in which he
> > said he was still having problems with one of his hands.
> > Regards,
> > Teej
> > .
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