Re: re Moxley Sorrel and September 16th (Night)
- Thanks Gerry,
I think we both have the same edition of Sorrel.
I wonder if Priest used high school student help as he did with his book "16th Connecticut Volunteer Infantry: Sergeant William H. Relyea" he published in 2002? Given all the material covered in his two Maryland Campaign books, he must have had help I would think. If so, perhaps a closer editorial hand might have been needed but in any event, when I use his books (and anyone else's), I always research the endnote souces if I have them to verify and to get more material about what Priest wrote. Unfortunatley, many sources are not easily available except in certain libraries.
Between Priest and Carman (and of course Harsh), and the sources they use, I have much good material.
--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> wrote:
> The edition of Sorrel's Memoir I have is the Bison Press edition
> published by University of Nebraska Press. It does NOT
> specifically state West Woods.
> I have found other glaring errors with Priest's books so I would
> enjoin some caution there. While the books do have their merits,
> you should be aware of wrong use of footnotes and in some cases
> totally wrong footnoting.
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:35 PM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Moxley Sorrel and September 16th
> The only cite I see from Priest is Sorrell and Sorrel does not
> mention the West Woods at least in the edition of Sorrel I have.
> Hopkins who wrote "The Little Jeff" did it 10 years after Priest
> published his book. I didn't see anything in the link to Roland
> unless I missed something.
> I am using both of Priest's books a lot as he supplies much
> detail fortunately with many footnotes.
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@>
> > Dear Larry,
> > Sounds like a good project. However, in Priest's book he notes
> > "WEST" of the West Woods....Piper Farm Orchard is, IIRC, not
> > west
> > of the West Woods, but East.
> > If the JDL, at least two companies, was picketed around the
> > Hagerstown-Sharpsburg Pike somewhere near the Dunkard
> > Church/Mumma Swale/Piper Farm, might be worthwhile to confirm
> > exactly where they were.
> > I personally find it hard to believe Priest attributes the
> > entire
> > incident solely to Sorrel and then seemly "invents" actions for
> > Sorrel and especially location for where Sorrel was. To me its
> > incredible he did not also cite the Rowland work.
> > If this is indeed confirmed that Priest stretched the story
> > quite
> > a bit, another reason to take what he writes in his books with
> > large grains of salt...unless able to be verified otherwise.
> > Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> > from
> > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@>
> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:12 PM
> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Moxley Sorrel and September 16th
> > (Night)
> > Dean,
> > Sorrel said that he was "under thick trees" and in September
> > the
> > orchard trees would still be in full foliage. But I guess if
> > Sorrel were with Longstreet at the Piper farm, he would not be
> > very near the JDL.
> > But the location of the JDL south of the WW can work given what
> > we have so far. Some of the references Wert uses are at the
> > Antietam library under the Piper rubric so I can check them
> > out.
> > Larry
- And we can't forget the raincoat Stonewall had on the night he was shot; it is at the VMI museum and a picture is on their website. It has the two bullet holes in the left sleeve.
--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Dave <gewehr@...> wrote:
> For what it's worth, even though it was very early in the war, when CSA
> Gen Felix Zollicoffer was killed in the battle of Mill Springs in KY on
> Jan 19, 1862, he was wearing either a "white rubber" or "light drab
> overcoat buttoned to the chin." Due to the rain and hanging smoke, he
> managed to ride right through the Federal lines unmolested and was only
> shot when he spoke to a US officer on his way back out. One of the
> accounts said that a US Lt. Col was wearing a similar coat, so nobody
> thought anything about it.
> Dave McGowan
> Thomas Clemens wrote:
> > To parse terms with you for a moment, officers purchase all of their
> > own clothing and equipment and although guidelines are published, a
> > certain lattitude is in what they wear and use. Lee's talma and
> > overalls were likely rubberized and privately purchased. Jackson was
> > wearing a rubberized coat when he was shot.
> > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
> > Professor of History
> > Hagerstown Community College
> > >>> "Teej Smith" <teej@... <mailto:teej%40nc.rr.com>> 04/04/09
> > 1:01 PM >>>
> > Larry wrote:
> > Teej,
> > I see only Sorrel mentioning this--do you have other sources
> > mentioning raingear?
> > Sorry, no I don't. In fact the only other place I've "over-alls"
> > mentioned was in connection with a Union soldier at Ball's Bluff.
> > Sorrel wrote, "It had rained and he (Lee) was wearing a rubber poncho
> > and over-alls, his body and legs being thus well protected." I suppose
> > they could be the canvas wear you described in your message but that
> > wouldn't be much protection from the rain. But perhaps from the mud?
> > Whatever they were, they must have been loose fitting because later
> > Sorrel wrote that while reaching for his bridle, Lee "tripped in his
> > over-alls and fell forward, not prone, but catching on his hands."
> > Sorrel then went on to describe the nature of Lee's injuries and to
> > note word of his being hurt reached the Northern newspapers which went
> > into great detail as to the nature of his injury. Their report was Lee
> > had been seriously wounded and even went so far as to describe how Lee
> > received his wound. Would like to see that newspaper report. Sorrel
> > confirmed Lee was able to ride a little by the time of Antietam.
> > However, I have seen a letter written by Lee in April 1863 in which he
> > said he was still having problems with one of his hands.
> > Regards,
> > Teej
> > .
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